Reb Yaakov Ettlinger & His Works

[Music] welcome back rabbi dr eliezer broth what a pleasure and of course to have you joining to discuss the auroch linear many people have heard about the archwinner and his work the arslan air his troopers billion team we're going to discuss some other works as well we just completed 10 episodes on friends let's call that season one complete we'll take a break and a mercenary come back with season two if you haven't yet seen the videos on the khalifa show by about right who wrote this contrast please check them out on all that three beautiful videos discussing the khalifa shoe and actually showing us how to construct the khalito shoe pretty fascinating so we'll be rebbie rebbie rabbi brock how are you today okay so we're looking forward to an exciting episode on the arcliner who thoroughly was what did he write or his rabbi him who is talmidin and i'm sure you'll treat us to something that maybe maybe it might be something that some of us don't know so why don't you begin okay so to begin my as an introduction my interest sparked with him is i always noticed in always hearing the tremendous respect people always had for his farm and in the world of allah the true husband see and how it's so it's quoted with great respect also so i was always curious about him and recently actually through an old off we gave a series about the machine matza controversy while um going through the history of the machine maxi controversy it came up that certain the dialum and galicia were sounded like not so positive about gdalum and ashkenaz at the same time who were mako bam machine maps and they don't say name so much i was curious who are the good islam that they were referring to and then i find out at least one of them is the archoner very strange because at that point i never really heard that people had tightness on him but anyway ty and then now we started now we're learning of almost it's about to come to the end i said you know what perfect excuse to talk all about okay so just before we begin just to drop a bibliography what they're out there which helped me with this presentation so first in 1903 i think his says he wrote a book all about the rabbanim of the of the the city of altoona and other other cities with the rabbanim and he has the first few pages he has a few pages about darchanaer and now the most prolific amount of mater i guess the largest study about our chaner to date is by rabbits and judith black she is this she is the wife of rabbi j d black she wrote her doctorate completed in 1974 all about our honor mamish in depth incredible incredible doctorate unfortunately not unfortunately just a lot of stuff have come to light ever since then it's been a long time since 1974 most notably is a yidd huda horowitz who's been working because unbelievable work on their honor he put out the chuvas but he's also put out many other stuff some of which also helped me throughout the presentation um it's two editions already the i think it's out of print still if one wants to get it he also put out russia's of his um even translating justice as we'll see that were in printed in german he had them translate to hebrew and okay then there's a small essay from professor schneider's armor lineman and and then in 1972 which is um a collection of articles and materials came out of the that were published originally in the journal hamayan it was put into one nice booklet in 1972 so these are the items that help me 80 page booklet these are some of the items that help me for this presentation okay okay looking forward to hearing about all that so why don't you start from where he was born who did he learn by who are some of his talmudim i'm sure summers are being many of us heard about so fill us in so um because as the course of looking through um his his life and he was prolific and it's actually frightening to see how much someone could do produce and be involved with in so many different areas writing an act being actively involved in the tsibur um it's it's mind-boggling this is he's born in seven in 1798 he dies in 1871 and as i just look and trying to put in i don't know how someone today how someone could have to do such a thing and this is he's doing this without computers without all the technologies that we have now um and we'll see what i mean and therefore to say at the outset is i'm not attempting by any stretch of the imagination to cover everything that relates with this person it's this unbelievable man's material as they quoted earlier okay so first is his main his first i guess his first rebbe is his father he quotes him in his writings but then his main rebbe is one of his main he has his two people are two different people one is the shargas aries son this is with usher walsh wallerstein who is a big talmud of his father and and jacques vetlinger learns about him for a long time he's a great person this this rav who had hundreds of talmudim but virtually nothing of his was printed now once i saw this a question that i had about dr nero was easily answered i was i was very i found it interesting that here we have yakushigado um he's born in germany and we're not going to get into all the nitty-gritty of where he's born and who his wife is and all these fascinating pieces of information just to get um cover some ground basically it's like this the little show even in the lit fisher world the elite lit fisher world arkham air this yakisha safer is extremely accepted in the lambda shishi world let's say for your vamas even and um people that learn kachim will get to back crisis and his troopers are also very very highly respected so what's shah and this was the answer because he learned by this person who today if i asked most people never even heard of him rabasha wallace but he was a talmud of his father the shagasari once you have that that's the key to everything because the shagasari who had tremendous tremendous impact and respect in the in the lit fisher world for for hundreds of years some of this we've discussed in previous episodes in different massages so say tightness we discussed a little bit about it in other places so this was a this is clearly part of the answer ha because his mahalo khalimud is linked to the charges arya because his his rebbe was a tom lovett by his father anyway um and i see also so later on that she also makes this connection that's one rebbe of his another rabbi of his was links us to the hafla and renaults and adler they they were his rabbi this would this would obviously give us an explanation why is sakim became so accepted um his sakalajo is so this is coming from the same people that are into the sam cipher it was a very close friend of the tsam safer they're both telling them that also anyway because they're this rumbling he had a big issue he also had tremendous impact on you then in germany he was a tremendous die-in lots and lots of interesting stuff about him but not for now um but this harwood has a special article error of rambing in his base madrish now some people say that if you look through the archoner stuff you'll see that there's even an influence of kabbalah so they'd say that it comes from um i think black says there's maybe some others that it comes from this rambing who also was into kabbalah we have flowers in the kabbalah and definitely always into kabbalah and we see in certain truths of his even in allah he shows wikis in zarya we do not have too much material from abraham being say for zika navram which is some notes of his and in some of this chuvas darkling brings materials and discussions he had with her of being but it's interesting is his files the two rabbeim who were in their times tremendous rashishiva paiskim had hundreds of talmidim of the archoner rambing and ravasha wallace virtually no one knows of these names today especially in our russia house team of wallerstein and not only that they were active they were involved with everything going on but none of them come out none of their tire was published where they're talmud he's he's famous he's constantly quoted and his materials are constantly being printed even this week or last week another reprint of a fancy edition of one of his volumes on narclan air just came out from home you should lie but kitser bottom line is that this talmud this this rarch somehow i don't know what this was that he's tremendously tremendously famous in the world at large not only in germany okay anyway what's very famous about him is some people like to quote it is he went to university for three years he did not complete his degree left for whatever reasons we're not sure but over there he already meets and he comes close with another unique going from isaac bernays this person was also tremendous gain um um schneizel alignment has a nice amount of the best collection of material about him in a small essay you know it's not so small but in a very power very excellent ethical rabbinic responses to matt modernity and he collected the information about um this who was also a hash of robin wurtzberg and also a champion now he writes that when they learn they the two of them were in university together learning by ravram bing and um they used to say that when they were learning bernays was the was the person that was leading the kavusa shaft and when it was at the gay shocking day was but both of them were tremendous tamiya manoli of tyra both of them were tremendous talking in all areas of tyrant now um some people claim that uh that dark had harata for going to university he wanted to do chuva for his whole life about it um i saw that horowitz brings down the he prints from a some copy of her but schlesinger's safer base yes of course a fascinating saver in its own right a passage where he says something of the effect that well about uh in a hesperid about our honor someone said that he he um sounds like he didn't want to go he was he fasted 40 days so he shouldn't get damaged from it et cetera there's a whole interesting piece about it but there's a hespid that that that was given by some of the new laura cliner printed it was printed in one of the newspapers at the time and it says it's basically says that uh why did he go to learn to be able to be able to answer my um car sim and to to no um stuff like that but while he was just a few hours during the the whole time that he was there he was ice again it he was in university just for a few short hours during the week okay but whatever it is um he becomes this um he comes he remains close with him his whole life he even gives a husband on him which was printed and he wrote it was said in german and it was printed from the german into into hebrew a few times now what's fascinating is that both the archaner and uh reverend they have two saint tommy them with hirsch known as rob shamshin fell hersh and reversed real hills and armor now both these tamidim they took things from both these rabbeam and um in in la marshall the um in this the journal of they have a whole article from breuer they talk about what reverse took out from the he his career began at the young age of 27 where he had a he had a clause in manheim where which was very incredible for such a young age to have a 100 um maybe uh 70 tell me the mahindra tommy one of those was rehearsed you learned that him for one year and broyer has a whole article discussing um rehearsal and this learning industry shiva from different letters that he put together but the point is that um it seems that he had a tremendous impact on rosham shafalush the rest of his life um there's an article which collects the various times that he quotes wherever sham shall hirsch quotes his rabbi in his torah anyway the kitser he has um this the arthur nara's impact in charge of illusion also another say much more um this this hakumar nays but they both they they they both had an impact on on rochelle chevrolet hirsch and the same with her brazilian hills in honor anyway because there this is there's a um a lot to talk about um about this practice base and eventually what happens is is that the he ends up becoming love of altoona in 1836 that's where he again opens up a big yeshiva where the real hillside learns about him there and then also we'll see we'll we'll see um possibly a little bit later on the impact of this reality that got the neref and also from bernays is not for now but with our chanel we'll come back to shortly oklahoma this is some of these are two of the most what i'm trying to say is sorry for being unclear is that these are two of the great talmidim of the two of the many hun dozens and dozens of talmudim that learned by laura liner that became very famous people the leaders of the german jewry the next generation they also were um were telling them of his good friend that he was friends with already from when he learned to nishiva and kept up with him his whole life another khashoggi of rabbi bernays okay um this was just some of the early history and his time okay fascinating very interesting so as you said some names we heard of some names many people myself have not heard of um fine so what did he write most of us are probably aware he wrote dorothy nair most of us are probably where he wrote the shugus billion tien walkie tells about those for him and what else you want to bring to the table okay so i'm just going to go very briefly like this he writes the first safer that he publishes is because active in 1836 but we'll return to that shortly the safer that he prints one of his earliest farm that he prints um not he's not a youngster anymore at this point but in 1850 prints his work on yavamas okay now the work on ivamus when you open it up right away in the shower there's an emphasis about the safer and it says that it's not only it's about gamora rashid is called he's trying not to he talks about halaches and a goddess he tries to avoid shining that cranium everything that could possibly be in massachusetts he's going to talk about so it's the kids are a very very thorough safer and that's perhaps why it became one of the classic spammy of umass very very shot oriented and it deals with that literally everything now in the dhamma already he mentions a certain point at this point he kaiser's over in a few other places basically he saw why does he pick your vomits so first of all that's already something showing something unique about him because if um as we discussed the harassment and say the nation it's funny that he should pick the hardest and sector one you write about it not that they're all so easy but they're easier than uvamis anyway he says gufa because there are not other there are other sectors have purusha monochromating obama's he didn't see someone going through from beginning to end so that's why he felt to do it especially is that prejudice planning it seems to write on yavamas and he didn't so therefore he had this extra push to do it now in general he has this theme um where it is that he's go goes out of his way to defend rashi and um and he says this in various academics of his farm that one of his goals is to defend rashi from the various islands that rashad and bring up okay later on in 1855 he publishes on marcus and krisos again what's chat that he picks these two masatas so he he writes about it in the um hashem um like i mentioned in the past it's because i always when an author writes a lot of times they shed light on what they wrote and stuff like that here he um he talks about it also why he picks these massacres even though um especially crisis it's not negan but he says no it's a helicopter and it's a mistake and you should you have to learn very carefully and it's important to learn and you and this because there's no specific beer he's going to write a beer on the homosexual that's increases the same thing maccas he says the only perish there is is the ritual from the roshanim and there's even a christian that there are it's not thorough through all things so he's going to write a thorough parish on these messages so basically what he's doing is he was looking he was scouting out in each cedar aim sector to write about and that's what he picks so from nashville he picks ivamus then he does uh makus and then kachimi does creases he also does nida in 1864. he prints his hebra needle there he adds an um interesting thing it's a very important massachusetts rabbanim did learn need because oriented but they don't learn mamish everything the whole musa be united safe so again he went through the whole massachusetts every aspect of atomos so it's also he's focusing a lot which i already mentioned in the obamas he says such a thing but even another massacres now another point that he's throws in by neither the dhamma is that he deals with sometimes the gemara okay which we'll get back to soon now i mentioned that his first safer is called bikurayakiv this is published in 1836 what's this on this is on hilhes dalid meenam and hokusuka an intense the ian dika safer written on these incredible safer it's very well known the mishna brewer uses it numerous times sometimes not attributing the name um that it's from the ubiquity active other times many times yes but the point is that it's it's it's a classic anyone knows that when you learn aluminum this is the the address to turn to one of the first addresses of the daily apisk now the safer is as it as i said earlier he deals with even kabbalah but he you could see him looking up every mughal rum every source of a magnum every single thing it's an incredible say for very being now that he wrote in 1836 when he's when he's relative relatively more young but he got a lot of letters over the years and he publishes those letters in the second edition which comes out in 1858 and not only that he puts out at the same time now a thorough safer on the whole sukkah similar to his style which he developed over the years which was how he learned to suggest from scratch he goes through everything rasheed isis the resharing that he had he's focusing on the gemara everything and mamish everything one of these most one of the most thorough swarm on whichever muslim writes about so he does this for sukkah and this is in 1858 with the isafest marshall rebecca these are published there it seems required was going to write more harass but um he died before he was planning on before he was able to publish the rest anyway the kitser um so first so he so that's those those are some factors with the sukkah the that he first did the say his first safer was a safer and then he goes to start being um dealing with them to deal with action and then eventually he comes back to sukkah and he does this now he was because to print this farm in their lifetime here he princess save his lifetime he gets a lot of feedback we have tons of letters that he got from holden from the balloon so he deals with them he responds to them in his next edition but he does even more than that he even reprints he even writes a whole save from the whole massacre which is not a small massage and it's a very thorough safe anyway one of the early interesting bibliographical things is this is one of the first people that deals with it with the mice around the maisorov was printed in the early 1830s so the 1836 we have in germany already someone dealing a few times with the hagas of the gra this is the makuri yakov has such pieces elsewhere in his other chuvas he also is concerned with with pieces of the guru and anyway um um those are some short pieces about the hebron sokka now he dies in we said he dies in 1871. but we have two other massachusetts that are published shortly after he dies one is amazika sanhedrin now sanhedrin it turns out when was when did he he writes this his son writes this or he writes it somewhere that in 1821 he began working on this which is that means is he's 20 he's he's in his low 20s when he's writing a parish on some hedges we have the whole person said hedging again when um it's mama's a similar style thorough thorough though he finishes in 1824 but his whole life he kept on adding to it and his son prints it in 1873. at the same time in 1873 he prints rosh hashanah basically he started looking around which this is now rosh hashanah interestingly enough is not like sanhedrin which was he printed when he was in his low 20s this he's printing saif yama when he's in his seventies he's working on it in his late sixties and seventies basically it seems like he was looking for you know this as we'll see how prolific he was not only he's writing all these furman chasse he's trouvos and we'll get to more stuff but basically he's looking for another area to write about so he decides to write about rosh hashanah we already um it seems because rosh hashanah is attractive to him because it has noise him and israel tyrus this is something we discussed that some people i quoted from rob zeven when he was writing a book review about the tourist melech on this rosh hashanah that rosh hashanah is like even though it's not suvis which is a famous for being called the shaskatan but so too rosh hashanah has so many multiple suggests from all over so it's a similar thing and that was what attracted darchaner to write his and it's printed again in 1873 by the sun now it seems there was a work on him but it's lost it could be there were other mercedes they wrote about we don't know anything about it now just to be messiah with one um other pratt i i mentioned that he says in hadama that he he um he's very interesting okay so he's very interactive so he says it's a very well-known thing people always very like there's a lot of times we find stereos in rashi from one sector to another so interestingly enough he he deals with this and it seems in a bunch of places i he says the following site that there's no it's not as theoretically rasheed as my farish in the light the way he heard from his rabbi that he learned by this massacre and endeavour masako explained it based on rashi how he learned it from a different rabindra from now this is not so clear um how this works based on what we know more today about rashi and even what he did learn we do know that he got a lot from different rebellion but akuban this is a sign that our kunai uses in different places okay now um okay um and some aspects of of of the dating and side aspects relating to the future okay so you covered the well notes forum what are some of the other places we had writings okay so so this leads us we'll we'll present it in the following manner what made one of the things that made him unique was besides that he was riding on chass and is that he was behind a journal that came out in those years okay what am i referring to there's a journal it was called scheimer in haneman okay now sherman cnn um for this i'm gonna use two i'm gonna use the actual journal the pieces i went through and we'll start with is again um rabbits and black and her doctorate but later on she wrote an article based on this and it was incorporated in her recent book called defenders of the faith highly recommended here's how it looks and in here there's a whole chapter talking about the this this shiny mercy and lemon and we'll see why what's so significant about this kind basically we um and she talks about this also um um um i've written a little bit about it also the facebooks of newspapers in general in today not as much because we have the internet but pre-internet days or some of us could still even remember this is the way people got information especially in europe people used to look forward to newspapers and um to read everything what's going on this is how you this was your connection to finding out what what's going on in the world now not all there's dozens and dozens of different newspapers that used to come at just to bring out a certain point today there's not even whole collections of many newspapers that were very popular in their time and the reason is because so many not only was because they sometimes are printed on cheaper paper but also because when sometimes if a guy had a subscription in the town everyone in the town would share it and by the time was finished it looked it was useless anyway but that's just that's just a tidbit but the point is that but there was not only newspapers there was also journals and today we today there's unbelievable amounts of journals that are coming out still printed not printed um but what happens is this is a way for people to discuss tyra or hot issues of the day so they found so one of the first such journals that came out was was he darchanera and others were involved with um and basically it came out for a period of on and off of close to 10 years it was it had two parts actually there was and sometimes it came out weekly some did i'm not going to get into all the details of something came out weekly sometimes not but over a period of 10 years part came out in german in the german language which is which is a very important fetish so but i cannot i don't read germans i don't know anything that's going on in tho in those in those um newspapers she rabbits and black talks a lot about it has fascinating things it sounds like it's a shame that some of the materials are not translated happens to be that this person who the horowitz he translated some essays from androshas that were found over there but i could focus on the hebrew part and the hebrew part um when you open it up it's just simply an incredible incredible um journal and you'll find all types of material there'll be regular torah from people some missions from all different even the muram shikha marshall you'll find a piece of terror from the ramshack all different people and the torah could be about all different types of things it could be irregular tyra about a gemara could be about a galaxy it could be someone just thought of a question and then the next issue someone will handle a possible answer and through there will be a someone has a problem with a certain halacha and it's unbelievable when you when you go through the table of contents index what's going on in this journal now what's significant is people hush of a very cautious who's who of that period of time would be some would submit in different materials and one of the writers that wrote a ton in this was obviously who the arachna himself he was the editor with some with someone else and they were responsible for a lot of the stuff and a lot of hot topics fights controversies even took place in the paper in this paper now um just to get just to understand um sometimes there'll be um just to give an example the matsitsa controversy which i'm going to hopefully talk about shortly um which which happened a bunch of times another chuva which we'll discuss also a little bit about about kadashi about saying where these the start of this will be someone submitted an article about a topic and then sometimes darkherner himself will respond and they took place in these in these um in the in the pages of this over a period of 10 years literally incredible now what's up what's even now those chuvas that darth wrote in the course of the of this of this of these ten years and many other chuvas eventually incorporates into a trooper safer of his called binionseen which is printed saifyam of 1868 and there were other truists of his that his son prince in 1878. okay now i mentioned the outset is the review the horowitz he printed this edition so he he does an incredible job first he shows where if let's say it was printed in the chat originally in the sheimet they'll show you where it is if the name handle he brings it down he has manuscript information about it he'll put it in and it's simply he did an incredible job uh to give a taste of some troopers i'm going to come back to shortly but i first wanted to focus on something else that i see as you turn the pages of the shamrocks in and that is the usage this is a haredi orthodox ultra orthodox journal that's coming out for 10 years and and i don't know the number of people that got it and but it definitely tons of rabbanim all over europe were received we're receiving this what you see in here is besides for all the chuvas and the terrorists that are being discussed there's also manuscripts are being printed tons of manuscripts manuscripts every single manuscripts have genum each issue could be like four or five pages and there could be a piece of torah on a gemara and i gotta take someone else's somehow controversy about something else then someone put in a manuscript that they just found in a in a library this one this piece of a gun and sometimes they'll have a horus and this is all under who the the the the chief editor is the kitser what we see from here is that this was a period of time that manuscripts were being discovered in the various libraries and they were being published here in this in this journal even stuff from youtube was being sent in to hear to be published from there were found in libraries and manuscripts there anyway um in general linear was very into this topic just to say briefly we find him in 1856 uh some gaining materials came out we find giving harris and askama to this material in and one of the true spinning scenes that horowitz printed he collected from somewhere else we have iris of izanaravan now similarly the duke safran who is a fascinating person who deserves um a lot of the attention but we won't talk about now he basically had a project where he collected the various manuscripts on the gemara so he neither has comments from different dialogue and one of the good ones that endorsed him was again darkling there and as i said in cephas neither he writes dark layer himself writes that he's very sick in the into the shyness of the gemara and stuff like that he had a son-in-law who was a great rav or a freiman who was a rav and who had a tremendous um kesha with him with our i mean and different things because he was rav also and and he also worked on printing a work from him called safe of his ear and he puts it out it's available on hebrew books with extensive um footnotes to be to be my farish the different pieces of this go this early work possibly go on at work now um even in chuvas of his we see him accepting ramaisha blight this is the son of rabbi blake and also a son of judah of rabbits and judas by who we've been quoting throughout this thing he quotes to show him using nuchuvas now all this hashem actually i hope in season two just to give a spoiler over here in season two of raphael kanyevsky we hope to deal with this at much greater length but i'm just focusing on dark lanai and his journal over here sherman c and emma you see the whole time this is a journal that's being read all over europe even marm shikh is writing in here all different types who's who of the dialum of that time and every issue has almost every issue has failed and different things okay so you see it wasn't so um it was looked it was it was looked it was okay so to speak okay now more importantly i mentioned that who's one of the big talmudim or the biggest talents according to when's the founding the berlin seminary this is what they're oyster king manuscripts all this which is its own big parsha but anyway you can see here when you look at the character and nemen and you see the geesh the approach it's not schmer it's easy to understand the connection between representatives and how come he looked at it that was his great ready anyway um this is just some of the um materials that we see in the sherman cnn and what relates to us over here is is that it also had a lot of conversations and controversy so i i just want to mention two because if you um it's impossible every truth of the billion is unbelievable literally the way he writes with clarity and how he goes through the whole sugya some of them are short and sweet you could you could like a latitude was far more also the gold mine for historians for people that are in talaga anyway england oversight is that the time is short and we have to move on but but um as they say you can't i can't say nothing about it so just to mention very briefly one is there was a controversy about doing what seats this controversy keeps on getting revived in recent years and um for various different things about it and one of the times early on that this controversy was was went on in and he and part of the uh discussions took place again in the shaimitsiya nema and the scheimert co hannemann sorry now just a quote uh if i could find it one second so there's a so the chuva [Music] which he talks about mitsita he has a few troopers that were eventually putting the billions in i'm not going to go into if there's she know him in the differences and whatever but just to quote basically they wanted to um i think some people started there were deaths and they wanted to say that you shouldn't do it to prepare so dark laner has a feature was about this and as i said there were others it seems even in the german part which i can't read um there were also truvis in the newspapers of the archoner about it now so in the truespinning scene i'm just going to quote it from here he talks all about it he goes through the whole sugya he deals with that with whatever the doctors say and then he says he concludes um as follows this is a minute that was going on for hundreds of years um he says now [Music] he's and just to conclude over here he says um even though there is this akana if the if let's you should be very careful if something if let's say something is found out about a certain mile or something you should act accordingly but the point is that he says we we understand the doctors what the doctors say now obviously the sugar of the matita is is endless it is cassava articles being written about it it would be not fair for me to mention my good friend who was lifted sadly a few years ago dr schrecker wrote a beautiful article about it and there are many other in the khakira easily found online i could send a pdf if someone wants but there's so much so much written about it i am not even attempting to talk about it i have no opinion about it it's not my place to even think about talking about it this is lila but here you see darth vader his approach was that we go according to hazal even this is a person that was an educated person even though um he went to university and we see from him that he was uh i guess to use the words open-minded and not only that his great talmud observation printed by hannah also has a chuba about abolishing um about abolishing um to do not to not to do what he also says basically he sends you to his um admire and he goes with him also and he knows about the medical stuff and he also goes with this approach i just feel that we have to mention one um hot example and then just to quote two last two chuvas and then we'll come to close to come out of conclusion is there's a whole area about the sugar of kadashiasa today we know kalashayasam saying kaddish causes if everyone says it or do you say it anyway but it seems that the original meaning whatever it was was one person would say it even if there were a bunch of available only one person would say now how do we know that this is true very simple you open up ta'ala and you'll see a ricoh sniffle based on earlier of who get who who gets the din of who's supposed to say if someone has yard sight what what's the what who who has huss to dima of saying kylo shasta and this is a big discussion in paisley at a certain point in time it's switched why it's beyond the scope now but it seems someone wrote a letter into again to the shaimar tsunami at the time and it seems in his kegela there were fights he said even someone slaps him on the face about it it was the whole thing so he was trying to come up with a cooler and the cooler would be that everyone would say it together anyway they are cleaner it's a fascinating chuva that has all trouble about it um which originally was printed in the in the journal and then eventually it's included in his ranks i'd just like to conclude with one last trooper just because i i feel um it has to it just uh it should be mentioned again not the whole story but basically in simuncuf i think it became somewhat famous it's basically um in those days it was common men would have to travel for paranasa and they would be away for months at a time this woman her husband's away traveling and some poor guy comes to the house he looks like he's um you know i guess he looks like he's uh she was impressed by him and she sees he's a parish and he's not eating anything and she's doing facilities living there um for a while she's doing fest with him it seems like there was other people in the house so anyway he um he's doing all types of sea goof him and eventually and she sees if her size he would say taken he said all different types of things um anyway at one point he tells her you wanna know who i am i'm elijah navi and you could and he gives a whole the whole there's a whole fascinating story it seems this and and in the end he convinces her and uh if i'm even what ends up happening and it happens not once so twice three times and the whole fascinating truth about this and the whole story it seems it wasn't only a trooper written to allah also that horowitz points out but the point is it's just very interesting you know someone fell for an elio navi type um story anyway okay i can't i'm not joking i feel terrible i feel pushed guilty that i'm not doing him justice but he was in just an incredible placing hundreds of chuvas which could be found anyone would just sit down one day and just even to look at the table contents of what the shadows are about it's mine okay just to finish very fast he's he's a incredible darshan he gave russia's in german some of those drushes were printed after he dies in the safer communication it's still even available today there's nice editions of it that was printed in hebrew but there were many josh's that were printed in this back to this journal in german so this horowitz printed a book safer called um this is how it looks it's called it looks like this this is he got someone to translate various josh's of his that written in german anyway um at some point in time uh 30 40 years ago material this comes out and every once in a while some more materials of his comes out this is just a small small amount of information about this great goggle that is famous as opposed to as i said he played a role in in the entire world of the shiva world and his hadith manchas and halakha world with his those in him and his chuvas incredible i feel i'm not doing justice but at least we i think i gave some insight into a little bit about um about this great kind wonderful really we really wonderful thank you very much i know that there's so much more to say just the one the kudo with the metis prepare um the listeners to correct me from room but i think in washington heights i remember hearing from a well-known model um in washington heights that they do not do metis of the pair okay even though you mentioned you seem to be saying that time for fall hirsch and came out what was their most going on sounds like they must gonna again they the the the point was there was a attempt to abolish it so it could be there was different um like everything there's different aspects to the to the deal the whole controversy has different aspects everyone knows there's a famous some cipher which seemed to be make on certain situations of course like everything else that some sort of didn't write it did he write it we know that he really did anyway but so there's different phases and there were different times it seems that they held if it doesn't have to be prepared at least it can be done because not to abolish your legalry and then a lot of people do do that um with a cleave but again maybe mr shah was down the line we could discuss all about the controversies of matita and all that but not for now you