Reb Eliyahu Gutmacher - A Discussion With Rabbi Dr. Eliezer Brodt:

[Music] and welcome back rabbi dr elijah brought what a street i got to speak to you again during this after giga we've gotten a lot of feedback people have asked they hear you go through the delum and khabray's forum very quickly and they ask please could you slow down talk about some of the ones you mentioned a little more by rikos give us some more background so here we go we're going to pilot this type of episode of talking about a specific goggle and today as promised we're going to this we're going to discuss and speak about eliot gutmacher and we're talking about him now because he has swarm on high giga which are a little bit more well known and we're going to discuss you know how certain godzilla people don't really know about they become hidden and they get discovered later on and he's one of them about a good marker so rebellion why don't you start with a brief bio who he was when did he live when was he born who were his colleagues before you get into the details okay so really good marker by the way by the way of introduction is many good them during their lifetimes are famous and as we're going to see rebellion was extremely famous but afterwards almost completely forgotten when giving an example of such a of a guddell that was very famous in his lifetime and then afterwards becomes forgotten i like to always talk about pessler the dying of vilna after the girl dies who basically comes onto the scene in vilna in about 1802 or somewhere around that time and then for the next 30 something years he's the goddale one of the head of all of europe um but and everyone knew of him at that time afterwards he after he dies slowly slowly he's forgotten about by most people today the way people hear about him there's always a many rabbanim somehow rosh hashanah at night or somewhere on rosh hashanah mix into a speech somehow the famous sheila if someone forgets to say amel hakadosh rosh hashanah at night if you have to go back that you do not have to brought down the mishna and he was a good friend of the adam so some of this condition were recorded by the adam and that's how he sadly um is known but in his time he was a tremendous goddess more recently imprinted some material that they have is but from what we for what's understood he had much much more out there so really also as we'll see is also well we'll see that he was a very famous goggle in his time and he pretty much gets forgotten about and we'll discuss throughout this presentation how he sort of became back on the scene a little bit okay now during the corona um for some people it's still going on depending on where you are depending on all different things but there was a famous letter for ricky vega that was quoted unbelievable amount of times in the beginning of corona i actually tried to keep track of all the different ways how it was being used it was used in all different sides and different arguments different conversations different aspects and maybe one day i'll try to write up about it but robert keaver wrote a letter where he gave advice how for how to deal with what um at that time the the the plagues that had been going on killing people what to do advice practical advice had a daven shoe all these things who is this letter written to so almost no one focuses on was written to the young rebellio good macher and robert vega calls him rebellion now who who is that this is our rebellion he was a very young rav at the time he's born in 1796 and it seems he's one of the greatest talmudim of ricky vega although we don't know we know robert figure had hundreds and hundreds to tell me them but we don't know much about all the different medium different biographies of rocky vega and there are many try to track down various talmudim list them but we don't know more than sometimes if they're talmud or not throughout i hope to deal with more discussing his relationship with ricky vega later on but he becomes a raven faushina and then eventually in gretz he dies in 1874 so he hasn't he lives a nice he's pretty active for a while okay now what he's famous but people might have heard of him is the neoname of eretz's role he's he's on the same side in some aspects with kalisher niyana mavericks row and i'm not going to be focusing on this aspect at all due to time limits robert roberts creek but besides for that if you look around you will not find so much in his lifetime him coming up in print literature so much but he seems to have been a well-known german goddale at the time okay so what were this forum that were printed a couple swarming until later on more recently um they started printing a lot more of his torah okay so basically it's interesting is he seemed to now we could say the information that we have today we know he was very very prolific but he does not print much in his lifetime towards the end of his life in 1873 he prints a saver called nachos this safer has four swarm one is the safer nacho which is the safer of his son what happened is he had a son he had a few children but his oldest son was very hush of a person his name is ratsui who actually took him over took over to be the rav of falshin before after when he went to gretz um anyway he dies tragically at the age of 53 without children in the year 1871. so rebellion wanted to print something of his of disrepute's fee so he printed two swara movements one is the safer nachos fee which is relating to the sacrifice of vamas hashem maybe we'll talk a little bit more about it with sarcastic vampires and a safer king of ferocious on kingdom obviously these are not too um um um so to speak so rebellious writes that he's going to print one safer of his own called softness paneer and and and a fourth safer called shalom by palmario shall milo suffer spaniard is a running commentary on the famous camaros and bubble bastrop the galatagum where rebellion has a talks explains these gumaras in a series of mamarum and shamba pamali shamaila is a various theorists that are found in various with the mahabharat and the rama and his miyash of them in allah of the confession now this safer um in asgama he writes the greatness of his son and about him he was also talmud vega for a short period of time but then he was sick he ended up going back to learn by his father before he becomes a rav eventually and interesting from the material which we're going to discuss shortly turns out we there are furious chuvas in in some of the material that was printed discussing the hardships that he had where um he was able to have children and really want him to divorce his his wife and there was a whole lot of tumult about it very very fascinating interesting truvas that probably would have been certain people probably would have censored them out but rebellio um printed um one of them i mean kept them in the collection he had them one of the letters he has achieved was about this topic with the charlemage very interesting material now there's a lot one last uh tidbit is that the that there was once the the nakazi he didn't print it he gave it to his children to print for their brother brother-in-law or whatever and it seems that there was some type of issue with her shameless there was some type of printing error and he also has a different shoe where he talks about that some type of issue that comes up but basically bottom line is that these are the only works that he prints in his lifetime shortly after he dies in the vilnius and some of the sectors the samaras of his on gamara the zaharis of his in 1883 a very unique safer of his call called sukha shalom comes out which we'll discuss um perhaps at the end which which also it seems to be have been that was ready for prince for in 1854 okay but anyway this is the story of right immediately after his death so if we if we're saying that he dies in pretty much there's not so much of this small work comes out in 1883 afterwards basically nothing about him um okay that's that that's the first okay fine so as we've discussed people really enjoy how you go through the history you know when different farm of certain mahabharata you know come to our attention so what happened next how many years was there nothing going on and then when was this revival okay so interesting is i'm not sure what triggered the revival but in 1969 ruth bramberger who authored numerous biographies on the dylan and this is volume 24 of his books he decided to write a book about rebellion he wanted material about him so he he got access to the archive material that was found in meister of cook tons of manuscripts they gave him full access and he uses throughout his book he quotes tons of material chuvas and other information letters and um fitlock even and he writes the book from that and already reading this book you could already see that we're dealing with a a very very unique goddess not the standard german pacific okay now in 1979 tyrus starts coming out finally so we're talking about almost 100 years later the first is this is tehran printed by the end they put out four volumes of his tairon chasse in 18 in 1984 two massive volumes of shut uh are printed this was printed by my serve cook which i mentioned was used by brownmega in 1990 the sukkah shalom was reissued but this the the new issue had a another section called mr melio which has material both from manuscripts newspapers and ascamas which we'll be discussing also in 2005 a bunch of letters uh between him and rav maisha bamberger who is the son of the virturov which will also be discussing mitsubishi and more recently in the past 10 years four volumes of his drushes on torah have come out with all this material today we can properly begin to evaluate this great kind and see what he was so unique we'll be discussing him shortly in one more additional discovery in recent years and then we'll be able to put this all in some proper context okay so you want to discuss now things he spoke about him bring out some of the things he's talked about in his in his um different writings yeah yeah yeah yeah that that so first we'll start with that first why hagigo so the answer is many times when you want to um many people friends of mine over the years have issued the following complaint sometimes uh someone finds material of a said goddale and they print them in a journal but how he's not supposed to remember uh let's say they'll say you found the material of goggle xyz and um but how is one supposed to remember when you get to that sugi or that massage that it exists there's no there's not proper indexes of this material similarly sometimes they'll print four volumes of the kedusham of a said god though such as rebellion and but you'll open it up let's say here this tire of bubba bastard but it doesn't go from that base straight organized every blocked there could be certain sugars that he has and it could be tons of black that there's nothing so one decides to look at it nothing nothing nothing and then all this but there's tons of materials and you get discouraged so the mile of is that there's a hundred pages of material of rebellion throughout the whole massachusetts fascinating material so here's a masseter that one can properly enjoy him and without having to worry about it when you get a punk to open him up if he's if he's going to have something to say or not there's a good chance he's going to have something interesting to say we see him being very into the martial as is as well known as rabbi ricky vega was also into the martial he's very into dealing with the torieven but he does not shy away from again which is we know as we're learning hagigo now there's a lot of agato okay shortly we'll discuss some specific things in the safer that his chuvas are also excellent very thorough very very carefully checked the sources when he wrote about the true versus myrich to go through every practice showing you how he reaches his conclusions very clearly he quotes richard that were available to him he uses rishalami if he if he needs to um he shows throughout his work incredible expertise in the magnavrom dealing with being medic in different aspects of the magnum at one point he calls him the pasik akhran all complicated issues of dalhorn are represented in this in this juvenile it's a nice amount of material here corresponds to fellow ashkenazic um but just to mention that sava kabalas has a future within here there's a lot with rebecca vager he deals with different sheets of rubbicking vegeta discussing them which we'll discuss he also deals with heroes and corresponds with galicia such as the charlemagne there's a bunch of chuvas but litter is also fairly represented he has a chuva where he's busy being the ash of a beer agra barry huss he has he has numerous troopers with the great literature goddamn stern so he's with he's with everyone now various people claim that he was influenced by khasir swarm and we'll see why there could be mukhim for such a claim but i do not find before ish open such um open proof for such a thing yet but it could be it exists he does in his work i'll tell you i found one place that he does quote openly the tanya but not much more than that but there's not a proper index of his material it could be a proper index of the the taiwan homicide will find more um open makaires it could be people that know makairis well could be they could see oh this is really uh based on it it could be but anyway be there as a may he kept his troops very organized he kept he kept drafts and he had dates on them which many chu was formed don't have dates so a lot of times you could get perspective from the dates also he keeps most of the names in there now he clearly kept these chuvas it's clear to because he was planning on doing that it should be printed maybe he wasn't going to print it but he wanted it to be printed so much so that in one fascinating one very interesting truva we don't even know to the extent of how interesting it is someone wrote them it seems this person was over various are various and he was asking rebellion what how to do chuva for these things so writes i'm ripping up your letter so that no one should know what you did but here i'm keeping what i tell you the chuva that you should do boyfriend chloe for a virus but obviously it sounds like some but anyway the point is he is keeping it for it to be printed okay more specifically to quote some ideas that are found in the actual safer so the chuvas there's a fascinating lesson um i found fascinating in a conversation about helkus kiddish that came up so he talks about which is also a very uh a very big topic that one could be minor khan a lot about forget about forgetting and so he writes like this he says it must be he was knowing a certain thing and then turns out he made a mistake he's mavara later on that he made a mistake he says maybe when i learned to suggest and when i came to this this in this conclusion and i and i must have forgotten that it came to the wrong i i forgot i thought i came to this conclusion it turns out i'm wrong and he says it's not a big deal shikha um is possible even by malachi eliot he says look at the rambam even the rambam writes in the troubas of khachamylonil with his with his master martin back to them that he forgot sources he forgot the rama himself wrote he forgot his makaris so he also could forget it could be now some people when you hear such a thing i'm not going to go into the barricos but i've written a lot about it also they they don't like to hear that a goddaughter could forget here we have open rebellion is admitting that at least he was able to forget okay um now another very interesting thing um is people always talk about the salvation um if you have to and the amount of literature and swarm written on savage is is literally incredible so he when he talks about this he brings down the famous shiva's and so he also comes to the conclusion simultaneously and he says he himself was naive with one of his children they were not making i found that very interesting as we're going to see um soon through the presentation that he was very into cup into kabbalah so it's it's a sort of a kiddish okay he has achieved where he talks about the psalm rice fame the famous salmon rice she has interesting um hold on the way he gets to it let me just see where i put it an interesting question of of a of a purse it seems a person who was a a regular normal person in this kahila you know in tequila where this person was part of suddenly they find he disappeared it turns out he must have had some sort of a breakdown and he locks himself up and they they caught him it seems he tried to commit suicide but in the end they saved this person so the question is how in the holocaust the best way to illustrate it is sometimes if people are under crazy crazy pressure and they were forced they just couldn't handle it anymore so so it comes out from from this famous truth summon rush that we don't look at it as as as someone committing suicide many people had problems with this particular truva this particular trooper sparked its own debates besides safer but anyway he brings it down what's one of his riots when he talks about he says not only is it brought down but it's brought down by my rebbe roberts vega which is known that people bring down ruby vega brings on them somewhere so can't be that the some race is a forgery okay anyway um and another chuva another bibliographical point is he quotes a safer mclaren hugging from his student and what's going on over here so the so elsewhere it turns out in the newspapers there's a whole article rebellious defends his student because there's a big debate and this debate is still going on until recent years about the authorship of the safer mccurry minhagen a safer came out and then someone claimed that it was really his it was stolen and what till today people debate about it each one each group tr not because anyone has agendas just trying to prove who was the author of the safer what i have not really seen quoted is rebellious says that the author is his student and he knows that he didn't plagiarize and it's him and the it was played we say someone did plagiarize a safer but he plays he he takes a side in this macholicus in the newspapers at the time um okay that's another thing another true which comes up and he talks about in a few places is deaf people already in those in that period of time deaf people which relates to hagiego a little bit where they learned how to talk how does it play out in halacha so interesting already in those days when this is coming up okay anyway um these are just some of the very small as i said there's a yam of of material here to properly um mention all the different things that would take forever and i have rahman i do have rahmanus so i'm not going to but um this is these are just some of the some of the very very small little um i like to call them pitch of kiss that i i've come across as i look through these look through these troopers and shortly we'll discuss a few a few more okay um about what we see in the actual safe okay you mentioned uh so we had rabbi shakatavits from baltimore who gave us specifically um he's someone who's who spent a lot of time you know he actually wrote some tracing my cochlear implants and here's so go check those out um okay fine so now you want to get back and discuss you mentioned that he was a at least that you did or camera called him and you did was there anything more that he had more of a shocker to make her and other people of that of the day that are worth talking about right so i'm gonna the main thing i want to focus on is with right now is a little bit more about remember okay so to start with is that there was it seems there was a big sheila in those days um this is about on pesach i guess they had a way to make schnapps and it seems some some form of making schnapps that some people held as a problem of comets and other people health is not a problem muhammad some reason was very strong and held it's a problem there's no ways around it you cannot have this on pesach okay and he wrote about it and we have two of us about it from ricky vega it seems afterwards after he dies they they um i guess maybe they felt they fixed up the issues that ricky vigor had and they asked rebel you gotta back here about it the rebellion very very carefully he's madik and every word of what urban heaven says and he comes out to be mako and and but we see he's how he's so being with the access to everything that his rebbe rubick vager says how to deal with it la maisa robert lager's son his friends rav schlemager um i remember rebellious friend rebecca mager does not says no my father held um he would not have agreed with all these different things and okay but you see what what was interesting in the whole dion is that will shine this back and forth how he um is his with his with the rubbish vega in another chuva he has which which it comes up out of him often enough and you know there's some pay zion which is it gets into the topic of what is one allowed to teach aguer which hello is one allowed to teach again which also is a sugy relating to in kagiga and in the course of this truva at one point someone brings up a rebbe vega about it and he and he doesn't want to argue with rebecca veger but in the end he does argue with rebecca vega and you see again how he's being very careful now he says i'm not going to really just come out and argue even though he has his reasons why from the suggests why he argues only but he says not only that i'll be cl um um he finds a shotgun by him which already based on shelter byron it would be okay for him it says like him and he says i'm clear if my rebbe rubbing would have it it could be he would say otherwise he would he would agree with me now what's this really what does this relate to if one could teach um what as i said it's the question is what could one teach a um aguero before he actually is magaya so his conclusion is that tyra that that navy suv would be mutter that's his conclusion and when it talks about tyra it's referring to mitzvahs the problem to teach a uh guy tyra is referring to specifically mitzvos and he brings a very interesting raya could be others bring this ray but he talks about that in the beginning of homich boracious until until partial into shemise we find that it's not really about there's no there's not myths there's no mitzvahs what is this it's really the sipurim of the nisim and the british and the story without with the obvious et cetera how do we know this we have rashi in the mammogram the first rashi which everyone loves to talk about for some reason or other that shalom so he says from here he wants to deduce from this rashi also as a proof that we see that how the guy i'm going to know this so it seems that foreign until par until the parish of elohim that would be muther for a guy to know about so basically to teach aguer um naveem suvim or homisporacious and shamas would be mutru this is his village obviously this is there's a lot to talk about over here because um there's a lot there there is a lot of um aloha that is able to be learned out of homospacious until this point a lot to talk about but mckitzer i just want to show interesting like an interesting way how he thinks in it's obviously a truva with a few pages and and to deal with it but this is one pratt in the truva okay anyway with this but what's it clear is throughout his writings he has tremendous tremendous cover for rebecca vega tremendous content so i want to just quote two small things and then we'll move on relating to this also so i i mentioned that oneness found that was put out is this is called myth of malio and it's a collection of a material from letters manuscripts and stuff that was printed behave so one such piece is that he talks about um he says like this when he talks about ruby vega hold on when he talks about someone wrote a safer and in the safer it seems the person is miyashev questions of rebecca vega so there's a lot of legendary stories about these types of things some people say how could it be questions here you have rebel you've got talmud says no adaraba it's not a khalilah and it's not a gear and it's coveted if you otherwise want us to answer his questions and even and and the fact that this person wants to try to answer it it's not a problem and he's willing to he's not he doesn't have any problems that this person went out to answer up rebecca vega's questions which i found very interesting because always in yeshiva i always used to hear different people um i guess it's some type of yeshiva lore that shalom to answer ricky vegas questions and if you couldn't come up with the answer then there's no answers but this is what um rebellion writes and askamata safer okay but furthermore he also writes one second one other lotion he says that the he says about the galaxy which there's other sources that that also say this where he had used his whole life and he learned both great yesterday so he says there's um to learn from them this is this he writes when they wanted to print over vegas on this is also a tremendous um [Music] powerful statement about rebecca vega okay now learning in um learning uh just to conclude this part with one lesson again relating to in one of the pieces so he talks about i found that i'm going through the rebellion and come across an interesting um i'm sure they'll mark it off give me a second an interesting discussion which he talks about uh arrijos in the course of this discussion he says his fouls he talks about the matagum ashkenazi that um and then he talks about him that he one of the problems is that he made the torah accessible to which is problematic then he talks about something specifically in the translation of this of this targum ashkenazi and then he says la maisa and then he brings down a holster tire from the sun about it and he basically what he wants to talk about is similar is it uh is this was um this metagame ashkenazi was he over on the aspect of making tyra available to gain which we just mentioned that and which is just relating to to teach tyra to gain okay so the question is who was this matagum ashkenazi what's going on here so turns out this matagomashin as he's referring to is mendelssohn okay she's referring to mendelssohn turns out um again just just very very very very big sir the there was a fellow he's still alive named mayor hilsenheimer he wrote extensively about the the german godilam and the usage of mendelssohn and he shows documents that many many good islam in the germ german goddalem which is significant but we're not going to get into why it's so significant they quote mendelssohn casada one such goddess he says in the manuscripts going through of rebellion over 20 times he quotes mendelssohn's beer but furthermore israel the eager two things are a rebel so what i'm adding to the story is and which also i know about it also besides for seeing myself but this guy mentions it also is ricky vega also does such a thing one is he gives a scummer to one of the additions of mendelssohn's beer that comes down to 1830s a later addition but it has the beer of mendelssohn in it and he knows about it and in the in a fight in the controversies with the reform rebecca vegas quotes in in a piece of achuva the beer of mendelssohn so it's not so unique that we have over here rebelliou guttmacher quoting the beer of mendelssohn what's shot in this obviously this is a rich goddess and we're not here to we're actually trying to keep it to a normal amount of time these are some of the things that we have that with the relationship with his with rebecca vagar on the level of regular neglect of things their relationship his with him and he and we see over here a very interesting thing in bahal even though he's a tremendous tremendous hostage so to speak of rebecca yeager he held and that required also hold that it's not a problem to argue as long as it's substa as long as it's based on something okay i can't dis okay well fascinating fascinating seems like you go on and on and on and on and on okay so you mentioned nikla that means that there must be things that are mr rosso from about a good master is he involved i know you mentioned that um you haven't found but we have to mention obviously if people you know the audience wants to send you mccurdis emails certainly should okay so um how about you want to discuss his evolving the kabbalah fitlock and things like that okay so let now i would like to conclude with one last caleb with with rebellio gutmacher and this will be able to put a little bit um put a lot of things that we mentioned up till now in deeper context those files there's a claim that was made i've seen i see them in various writings about about rebellion that he saw rebecca eagers um zayar zahara sanzaya and that sparked them to learn kabbalah or something i've yet to find if rebecca veger where where this came from where he's supposed to say this but it could be it exists because there's many manuscripts as i said but he does quote in a different place in this manchester that he saw the against just looking in the first parrot in brachas or we created quotes desire a few times but that doesn't necessarily mean um so much um it doesn't mean that he's in a couple or not but further evidence about ubiquiva eager i'm trying to go in order is being a cobble can be found in vivi's masterpiece on darizal he brings down that there's a iris lawson from the russian shapiro xavier that was we know was in the possession of arbitrage and it has hagoyis in the handwriting of rebecca vega on the side okay but more than that we don't really know what rebecca vegas it could very well be it was hidden there is one interesting source about this about ruby vega that would show some type of yahas with kabbalah there's two this side is three different sources that i'd like to mention and that will lead us to rebellion number one is found in a hold on we find a few places where vega has some kamehamehas we find um some segulas of urbiqui vega but again heavy duty kabbalah doesn't mean that he wasn't into it we just don't have it it could be he kept it hidden there's an autobiography of a fellow that learned by both rebecca vega and he also learned by rebellion this fellow he he describes meeting rebecca vega the first time and he wrote and he writes his files he comes into the house where rebecca vega is sitting he sees the old man and oh above the head of verb he says there was a stag's head filled with sheamus over the private door of this world famed teacher i trembled in every limb i really imagined it and glared at me okay now it seems is that there was sheamus that somehow came from naftali and robert vega checked them out and he saw them and this is a autobiography that this person learned barbecue is saying over he's seeing it now it's been printed this autobiographical piece which is coming from an english book of someone that learned by me figure was printed in hebrew in in the beautiful edition of ignorance herbicide but they don't say where they got the whole piece from from this english book okay i don't know why not but um bottom line is that there's something to do with kabbalah and i said there's a few they collected over the years a few different kamehameha very but what does that do forever you go so rebellious it seems when you look when you look if you google him you'll see that a lot of times in auctions they auction off camaeus from rebellion comes up all the time rebel you've got a german goddess what's going on is there fake is it real okay now from looking through his chuvas and looking through his material we could see there that rebellion was a completely different he was a he was a different type of person than we think mamish could be more closely associated with hasidim lamasho in his recent work that was printed on bamidbar he has two pages barifo's about his what kavanaugh he had when he would go into the mikvah two pages of kabbalah um in his farm throughout we see incred we do see by him incredible knowledge in kabbalah narizal and all different types of things he even uses it with halacha but more than that one of the only chuvas of his that was printed probably the earliest chuvro that was actually printed from his was printed in the back of a booklet called in 1923 and this in 1933 sorry and in this chuva somehow he was upset about um that there was a there was a shul without a proper majitsa and i think he told off the rav that it's not proper and the rav didn't listen whatever and basically it says describes in this chuva that basically after the shoe was renovated it collapses and he and this rav dies in the middle of his russia adrasha mishima okay so again if we were a hasidan we would automatically associate that that something has to do with you know that he didn't listen to her about my her telling him is one recording this story but he doesn't say that that's why it happened okay anyway when you um i mentioned that there's letters between rebellion and romesha banker in these letters all of a sudden i start i start going through these letters and i see he he's constantly he asks more than once rebel you go to please write for me a kamehameha and rebellion writes back to him it's not supposed to write if i have to have the right frame of mind it takes it's not you can't just write it but but the point is it comes up time and time again and he does write him commerce but it comes but we're talking about two german dialogues um [Music] um that's what i'm trying to emphasize okay i guess i get my i guess my point is clear now there's a true there's a letter between maisha bamberger and rebellion about us the schooler when you look at the case of abdullah a page about that and looking through some again not all the letters are about this but some of the letters are there's more which there's a whole letter about riches about dreams how to interpret dreams um something that i guess if i showed it to a there's a school about kishoff the whole discussion oh a page in a almost a page if i show this to hassan and i would tell him that a german is having this type of uh letters back and forth too german they'd be shocked the germans in the cathedral world especially they have a saga hasidim um that germans are very cult but here we have two german villains writing back and forth kamehamehas about um cabaldica stuff okay but okay but but this is not so okay big deal not so much what happens i said so first i said is that if you look around and you google rebel go back you'll see a lot of times his name comes up for for um okay a fascinating thing happens in 1932 a group of people discovered in an attic in the kahila where rebellion was almost 7 000 of rebellion not 10 now 15 for them 7 000 kfc that were written to rebellion that's an incredible amount there isn't just to understand this in perspective there is no that exists of almost any rebbe today of previous that could be just like everything else but hashem we live in a generation there's a safer called so you have to check up the locus of a pittal but in in in hilkish klittle it seems you're not supposed to keep but it's all based on um the macarius of the safer is is yeshlaw didn't have a lot about it we won't get into it but here we have seven thousand fit left to rebel about guttmacher clearly kept what are we gonna see from these quickly we're gonna discuss in a moment so first um there's a fellow not jewish his name is marcin wadinski he wrote a book called historical atlas of hasidim and he analyzes where all these are coming from the cities in this book um where these are coming from now more now these fitlife today exist there many of them are nevo and others are found in hebrew university you could see some of them online um so someone went and he uh a academic person and he went and he went to try to analyze some of the stuff that we could see from this from these fitlife because you have to understand when a person wrote a fifth of those days they assume no one's gonna see these filters only the person who it's being sent to the hainu rebellion so they are very open in these letters and everything every aspect of life is discussed in these they could write a whole page barricos about whatever problems they're having and we see incredible insight historically of what's going on in those in in those days this is the 1870s now it's not clear if these are 7 000 that's all he received or this is from a short period of time because we know and he writes this constantly that he's constantly being swamped with material people are asking questions and people are sending so much so then he took out an ad in the newspaper asking people to stop sending him clitlach because there was so much the post office was complaining to him that they're not able to handle the volume of material that's coming to him now besides for all the chubus that are also coming to him and slam letters which we see just look at romesha bamberger this goggle there's tons of letters back and forth the manuscripts also show tons of letters correspondences with tons of economy is involved in many different things there's also fitlift coming in by the tons and he stops but it doesn't really help um this is in the newspapers in those times you could see the newspaper article seeing as believing but at that time when someone reads that newspaper they don't know what's going what is it talking about look coming that but in 1932 many years afterwards and we have them today we cease at least 7 000 such fellows no there's no such thing existing from any rubber today okay now what so what do we see from this fiddler okay so i'm just gonna mention very briefly two uh two three things and then we'll be able to see a little bit more about it how this even started how did why do people start selling him he's a he's a german person a german time will him he's not a rebel he doesn't have tis she doesn't see them what's up is descending him so there's a book called yankel's tavern jews liquor and life in the kingdom of poland okay so this book talks about um jews and as i just mentioned all these aspects so people i don't know um i sometimes read there's a magazine that comes out weekly called them and in recent uh months there's been discussion about drinking people have problems of drinking or not so the question is was this a new problem or an old problem you open up this book and you'll see that this is an old problem jews and being drunk and drinking also existed earlier without i have no intention of getting into this right now but request there's a lot to say about it but in the fitlife of rebellion women rode into him my husband's a drunk please help he was a great guy and then he started drinking alcohol please help him get back onto his way to the proper way there's not one such fit though at least 10 12 that he print that he prints they didn't didn't go through all 12 000. anyway we see that what happens always happens okay anyway what else do we see from these fitlife so just this um they asked many times people always heard these stories the jews were the top on the taverns but and what happened is the gun didn't pay up taco we see from these clillah these people are complaining about it that the gallium are taking over my business and then i'm paying and i'm having taurus and everything he analyzes he's able to see from the various math what people were doing what the debts that the guy in taco owed them because they're complaining to him to ask him to do some type of meifes to help it now interestingly enough in at least more than one that they sort of like could you get rid of my enemy get rid of my enemy because the guys causing problems pretty much do some type of kabbalah to make them disappear so to speak but all this is found in these thousands of look and then some there's much much more going on in these pillars okay now after you see this that you see we have this person so there's two questions that need to be asked one is how does this happen how does it become known as a balmy fist okay so the answer is that rebellio himself tells us and in 18 i mentioned what safer did he print in his lifetime to say for toughness incredible safer it deals with the gemara surrounding and he was known about kabbalah even though he writes about that game even found out that he's granted kabbalah and he had all kind of he talks about him and kabbalah he's not he's not pro-it at all but he talks about it and then he had in the first miner already he talks about kabbalah miceas and if it's mutter to daven or or say kabbalah or do say filos to get rid of one's enemies and i'm reading this semen and this is a symmetry relating to suggest in brachas and other places in shas and there's lots of mercurials about this it's a very big topic it's very interesting what's going on over here why is he talking about this like in simon aleph in his mimer but when you see this some of the fit look that people are asking you could understand because some of the philip people really were asking him this if one could die for the enemies now when one learns through kabbalah swarm my swarm kabaldika schools types farm one will see many times that there are how to get rid of enemies how to get rid of robbers to die so it's understood now with what he was being asked why he's dealing with in the sense okay anyway that's in the first minor in suffolk then he talks about we're reaching towards the end he talks about um how does he become known how does why all of a sudden the people start sending him fitlife so he writes in this afrospania he's sitting with talmidhim he's learning and someone brings him a young father brings his son 11 year old child and basically he says this son no one knows what's going on with him he sometimes he acts like um a voice like a door comes out sometimes like a cow and all different types of things without getting tyrios and no one has pushed mo he's complaining about um problems from the stomach and no one knows what to do with him he said so really says i have nothing to do i'm not a doctor there's nothing i could do about it either it says okay you know what maybe i'll be able to do something so he takes the safer to heal him and i say to him with great kavanagh and nothing happens okay but he says leave him here and the father leaves the son here and if um he did it a few times nothing happens one day comes back from epidemic he says maybe i'll be able to be played him just like and he says the sun gets back to normal and it becomes a murder and he describes at length what happens which is similar to stories that many people have heard or read we're um different i guess things come out of the this kid has come out and they um all different types of i guess similar stories that people hear about but the bukim this is pretty much what's happening but the prop the nikuda over here is this is rebellion writing this himself describing what happened in his what with his yeshiva bahram but he keeps on saying he's not him a couple he doesn't he doesn't know he's he just did what he did was as regular thrillers with great kavanaugh that's he keeps on emphasizing and we're i'm learning he keeps on emphasizing that also it seems from this he became known more and more as a great mccouble and then people just started sending fitlock and more and more and as i said the mail got flooded and he has another he talks about another story over here in the toughness this is a mimer test and pretty much because of all this he now in his work on he talks about barricos about the we find tardis vega even asking him to dive and rob schleimeger asks him to dive in and we find that he had this kind of as i wrote to you with ramaisha bamberger but we see him what i'm trying to bring out from all this is that he was a he writes about what happened the success and the success it became famous even though he's used he's you trying to make it as natural as possible and he even uses the lesson he says is kaval that because we're not standing here because if they would see it they would be able to understand what it means that they're things beyond tether he himself can't even understand what's going on he's saying okay anyway this is the point that he comes this major we have here a case of a non-hasidic person who becomes a rabbi from all over the world feel like are coming to him they survive they exist till today thousands of them this fascinating jewish history that one could see and we see him and with all this and putting together we can understand um why we find it is true this a lot of inaudible of kabbalah discussions um in yarmouth basic foreign also discusses with how to deal with life after death how to do it for dead for that person for parents so to speak and he talks about it in halal concept but using kabbalah and that's why in his other swarm something it's not so it's a it's sort of a kiddish because people don't really we don't really find so commonly that a german cuddle to be such a grace in a couple that's why certain people think he's a rabbi mama but here we have a great talmud of rebecca veger possibly he might have gotten some of this from rabiki vega but here we have him playing in this um i guess we have a german who nor hasidic in his lifetime and as i said even though there was many years that he became forgotten but in recent years we have always torah nigla nister and these which make him put him in an interesting light can [Music]