Rav Chaim and His Chumash Seforim Pt. 2

Welcome back, Rabbi Dr. Elazar Brat. It is an honor to be sitting with you as we prepare to record the second episode on Rafim Kvski's Kisharim and Contraum. Once again, all the episodes have been graciously dedicated by an anonymous sponsor in memory of Mayama have an aliyah and all the learning that comes out and knowledge from these lectures should be as for his nishama. We thank the sponsor again. Rabbi Brat has some challenges today with his voice. So bear with him. We just he couldn't hold back from releasing another episode. So we don't want to deny everybody the opportunity to hear him. Um he's also going to talk about a podcast that he released on his music of a book collector which once again we talk about. For those who want to learn more about Brut's work, just visit his website alazarbr.com. You know, he is somebody who has set up a website with all his work and you could follow him there. And without further ado, Rabbi Doctor. >> Okay. So, number one is um just apologize. My voice has given me problems the past few weeks. So, it's not the recording aspects. We have to thank Asha Tessa for being on top of that. Cassador he's his mom is doing an amazing job with that. So it's my fault. So I have to respond about the voice. That's number [clears throat] one. Number two is that I since we're talking about this is the second episode and so just this week I recorded an episode not related to so much but more about the Rambana. It's a long episode so you could listen maybe when you need to go you're having difficulties falling asleep. It's um and it can be found on musings of a book collector which are which is hosted on oldaf and also on if you search the web that should be at least one or two other places that it is. Okay. So now back to so basically the first episode of and the farm I showed the difference the different thing I tried to connect to that similarly we find the vag and his base med is ving to learnish and kyki consciously subconsciously there's some type of connection between that so today I'm going to build go further into this but be but before that there's something relates to the and a piece of inra that will give us a little idea of some of the greatness of his work on of his. So Tyus in in Giten one of the I think it's the first Tissyus in Giten talks about the word get. So Tyus talks about is what does the word get mean because um is it referring specifically to get also is also called get in other places. So in the in the course of the Tesa says we have 12 lines in a gamatri get is a gamatria of of 12. So that's why um it has 12 lines and that sorry okay so that's what the reason the connection is that there's the with the word get which is spelled gimmel tas and tw and the fact that we have 12 lines has to do with it gamatria okay [clears throat] so there's supposed to be a vagine about this where the sorry Okay. Well, we'll say from someone else first and we'll say who that is in a second. We don't find the two letters and so there's some type of connection between the two and that and now so the qu the question is when we say that does that does that have to do with why it's being called a get and and what really what's h what's ultimately really happening over here. So there's a GR that people say over from the GR there's different of this GR and it says FS the G brings down or the way they say it over the talks about this and says get that the letters so says the other explanation for the words get you could really You could just say that's also this number 12 because it wants to have something going on with the gimmel test. There's no words anywhere in the tish that you'll find the letters and then afterwards a test that the couple is getting separated that this is the only time. So there's something unique between the letters gimmel test. So now is this really an is this an um without handling in the actual typhus what is going on in Tyus and what Tyus really wants. So that you could already look in the Marsha and the [clears throat] Tyis Yantiff and others but there's some type of cute remes um very it's a very famous remes and Yudbe mean say that that there's something behind the name get for for for Gishin and Yudbe Isis and it has to do with um this nuda how we could if If you look, search the whole tire, you'll never find the letters gimmel and then a test. Okay, so at first glance, this is something that someone would say this is like a gr type type of thing. It's known he knew the ty who he knew the ty in such a systematic way. So he could um instantly look and he could tell you there's such a thing there that there's so there's such a thing. Now what so what became famous um um is that says like this similar says can ask you why Zion Zion sadic Zion sadic So we so with his incredible knowledge of says that we do find a few places that there are other say it's not unique to the letters um it's not unique to to to get there's other cases of something being such a thing. So it says the who are it's the first of many of mean say you're right that there are others but um the get is the first we say so and that's found the rem of the grow then he says um that there's there's other how people say of the grow and then maybe it won't be so problematic okay now so even if the grow did not say it means say that not catching the GR in any form or another in this in this story. But already way backd brings down in his notes on the Tishbi which were only printed in the 1970s but which is predating really the GR he says Dum say such a thing they make this connection and it turns out on some level the piece that I began with it was a quote from the from the brother of the moral and his beautiful safer. So there's some type of Ramas and the people and and they plug it in and they talk about it with this with this TIS. So the the um so the point is here we're seeing um um this unique aspect with Rhyki dealing with a GRA. Okay. And now so in general the the aspect of if the grass said this or not is there's a to to make a very very brief point is that this has been discussed by many people um over the years that there's many things already in in the lifetime already immediately after the death of the GR they were concerned that people are going to say things over the from the name of the GR. So they they wanted to try to stop it and everything that you said over from the name of the GRA had to be authenticated. Um now the problem is that over time people didn't listen and and it became more and more that people would say over things in the name of the gr um and that not necessarily really came from the gr so at one point there they there started coming out wholearum that had materials and sometimes some of the materials people said if you look very care it can't be the gr said this there were there was sometimes an obvious question on something which was found in in the safer so so the point is it became a a big topic over the years eventually actually um different people started to collect all the different materials and they were able to demonstrate that they they they tried to figure out what is authentic raw and what's less reliable. One person that gets a lot of credit this is revel and and eventually published a work called another person um of he also published multiple times where they went out to collect all the things sort of like varts and that people say over you know maybe in my day um a lot of times a rebi would say it on a Friday he would tell you over some nice there was fond quoting from a dio and these type of so so so the the truth is that dum that calls is there's a truth to it because people used to like to say it and you wanted to get to capture the audience so you would say it so to speak. So that's why um they would use the GR's name even though possibly the GR didn't even say it and there might even be a m that you're allowed to do that to say it in in the name of Elen God so to speak. Okay. Anyway, it turns out people do say it. Lamarel um um um the primagadum talks about it in the igress primagadum and there's a work in the same generation from Alghazi sorry yakav algazi and kellis yak um that also says such a vart and there are others um there are others that say it as I said the earliest source is really this the brother the moral umazi in his copy of his he notes a few different people that say it also and um okay so now the question is is there any way to make um this story that is the bomb question to to make it not as big as a bomb kasha so it's interesting is like this a lot of times when people say over these small little verts sometimes they at a certain point in time it gets lost in context not only in context and the and um it sort of becomes that there's different of how to say it and in the ways that certain ways that it could be said, the question won't be a question. Now, if you say it in the way that I was saying it, so then it might be a problem. But it turns out in a conversation I was having with uh Rabivi, there's an interesting work called Sheamish published way back. Um and in this this work was published I think the first time it was published was 1699. Okay, one of these far fascinating interesting stuff a mixture of kabalo all different types of things and in the cafer um this he brings down that he heard from the that one day the he wrote a get and it was during par while he was doing that week he gets to the and it says over there. So fine he decided the TIS Yantiff decided to look in the of Yak more carefully and he noticed that it begins with the letter alf and it ends with the letter t and that's what it is and it ends the um so he found the whole alf is there in this of except the letters giml and tess So he said he that week was busy handling if he should be writing a get. So now it changes it. It's not the it was in par and there was a certain sim of that theis yontiff was using limiting it. Now >> of course I'm saying is the says this type of art and is not at all in the and said it but the the point is that the we're taking it we're sort of saying that it could be this was the set it over not that was writing again per se but maybe the said this observation over there and there was a lot of times people um when they say over these sharp things it get it gets lost. This was the the um the marmakum that Avivi Rabivi found in the course of our discussion back and forth and then he found that this work from this shamish he at one point hung out in Oppenheim's library which we've discussed in the past the fancy library now in his library he had the sedan of flipman and in there it says this actual story that the brings so okay so fine so but anyway be that as made there's there's a lot of there's always a discussion about it and the main point um to this uh is showing this uniqueness in mameish counting letters to to letters and then going through the whole to figure out if there are other combinations in um w with this to to demonstrate in his memory or whatever you want to call it. I I I'm trying to figure out terms to explain what it what it comes from, but this type of Okay. So, we'll we'll try to mention some others um um soon. But now I want to step back and this connects to what we began um in the in the previous episode and this actually is a that Io owe um from season 2 and that's like this already in season one in the first episode one of the first things I mentioned was in the work on the Rambamski brings thousands of makers to Rambams and I said at the time that he brings it from an incredible wide range of materials new materials that was being published and crazy amount of madrashi hal and a that were only being published in our lifetimes and some a little earlier than our lifetimes or at least in his lifetime. So he's using current data from all different places. So first to begin there's the medish rabba. So that so every good Jew knows you you when you talk about medish they you tell it's a medish. So right away you go medish. First, um, when I began working on these episodes with Rahan Keski and I had no idea that it was going to be this long and I was going to fall into this deep deep rabbit hole and take you Rabbi Schuade along with me into this terrible um, dark thing, but the end is in sight hopefully. And the point was I came across that this of but it was only published once in the mir edition in 1990. Okay. So I was trying to figure out how to get a copy and around that time I was in this is after one of the the first few episodes I was found myself in liquid and I was in Taplan and anyone who knows any swarm collector who knows anything about tap knows this is one of the mus of Ghaned on this earth and I said okay let me I go and every time I go there um I have to time myself how much time I'm allowed to be there because otherwise I'll be there too long and I find on the shelf a beautiful edition of this medish rabba with the we're talking about hundreds and hundreds of hours to to pay for it to be copied. It's very expensive and I didn't want to do it. So I took it as one of the many signs that at least I should be yapping about that I got it that I don't have a sign for people that they should be listening that I have to look. So anyway, going through those already, they're talking about hundreds and hundreds and they were never published anywhere else. And since they're so unique, they're not. And not only are they not almost no one really knows about them because it was published once. Um, okay. But anyway, so I'm so I'm throwing this out there as a kadai to know, Kadai to check up. Maybe you'll have luck in Taplan also to find these and use them. Now the horus raim writes over there these areas when he wrote when he learned magisha when he was young so it's very possible that over the years he added to it but they're mostly marus of of gumaras once in a while they could be a very big and lash at one point there's um a parish a few pages of a on on the medish early parish that was already published ages ago so on that page I noticed he has like 20 harus um but in general some there could be pages that there's no harus but but overall when you're talking about gans medish rabba there are thousands There's a good hundreds and hundreds of ars throughout over here. Okay, continuing with this as of medish. I said a million times already. Um that's an exaggeration but many times that there's this work called and in there there's uses it all the time and he and not only that at one point an addition was published with his so I have to so today I hope to redeem my on that front too. Fine. So now to begin this story, it goes like this. Last week I mentioned already that one of his early works on which in my mind is very unknown. And anytime I tell people there's a has works on they say which works. I say but he has other works. I say yeah he has a safer. It's called sounds weird. What is it? So I say it's an incredible safer that um it's it's worthy of being of knowing about knowing it and and today so I'm first we're going to explain just to drop what is and it's false as I said many times right wrote the sh of so he says it's false the doesn't explain what doesn't say me it doesn't give give you information. Who's the person that we're talking about? We'll say ish. And who's the ish? So sometimes you can figure out the context. Sometimes chronologically you might want to know what's going on which I'm about to say. He didn't just do it for he does this for and over the years it was updated a bunch of times. The final edition is 92 pages. It's in in the and it could be bought in the saferis. It's its own section in the back. So in the introduction says the the where he gets from is based on which over there deals with releasing information of things that the Tyra might have wanted hidden [clears throat] um and what look over there in the talks about and then he says like this he's emphasizing so it's not only he says like this Then it says like this. It says and it doesn't say how much um soal does he says now that like this he says to be honest a lot of times does say this everyone knows doesn't ever. So I'm going to collect from my knowledge and I'm going do now I'm not he says clearly I'm not out to bring every single piece of data that he really has in his mind. He could stop bringing 25 for each different thing. So he brings one or two for each thing. Sometimes it could be and he says that's not a problem. Um So he already answers a question which is obvious in a lot of the cases you'll see it could be a very big and you could take further and go on now. So this work is an incredible work. Now we're recording on paras um we're recording paris. So I'm just going to mention briefly a few just examples just to give you a taste of what the idea of the says. So he says when when did this happen? What's the date? So says look says so right away you learn the rash and everyone what when where's coming from so it says so um there's a the major says Maria Rashi brings down from the ram has about where is it coming from and and not only that after you see this piece in the about it also begging and he says oh but he looked What does he say? Safer what I just mentioned that I have to talk about to explain what that is. Then he says, "What does say what does it say?" Okay, what was the aspen? It says he's in front of says over here. There were four know this again safer. So with Kitser you could see this is a um um and perhaps in the in a different episode we'll explore just to drop more some other examples because the range of his what I keep on calling data where he's pulling this from is remarkable but this is an idea of a safer and a lot of times when you're learning this is very very useful and especially in when a lot of times you know it's even harder you don't have you don't have so many you have so many so this is an amazing tool okay now so we get the paras Sara um um in the in the time of the cross I mentioned he says right away when he's talking about the Shil of where is Aram coming from and everything so he says fine then later on he says another thing when he's talking about another thing relating to Ephro and this and the and the he says look in the what what in the world is this work called so you say maybe one time he quotes it but if you look in especially in the I think you'll see he quotes this work this it's work called so what's going on over here okay so now in order to understand this we're going to backtrack and we're going to give a brief introduction and say a bunch of very briefly a bunch of different to explain over here and to just to be fear is like this technically what I'm about to say could take six or seven episodes I have I'm not doing that. I'm trying to cram in a lot of just rashim of some of the ideas some of the that are out there to explain and all this and there's some interesting about this also that's like this you open up the this this work so already right away on the first page which is in which he's dealing with parishes the first talks so he brings down something so it's talking about tat A dasha bri. So he brings down a piece of gears. So says where do I have a gear that relates to how many um plants there were uh over,290 and how does he know this? So Kany says if you look in the parish of the rash on the p of the ritzos that's published in the safer I'm like what there's a little safer that was published way way back and this is actually there's a whole nice long story relating to this little tiny safer somehow it got toki and in there the taka is a um from beer goldberg who published a lot of interesting stuff from manuscript and over there takiski it seemed to have gotten his hands. So we're seeing some random interesting that not too many people have and he's how he's using it for a side thing. Then he says like this there's another maramakim for this of how many plants it were says look in the medish ben where is it found in madrashim page mev okay you go on a few pages later and you find you could find other times that he brings this um work which I which is this interesting work of medish bans okay so Now what's going on? What's this medbans? Um and what's happening? He's quoting it from where? He's quoting it from the medrash. Okay. So now we have to backtrack. Up till now we've been saying is expert med. So that of learning medus is obvious of danzo or however I'm batching up the name in his work at one point writes the kashivas of learning a you have to make time to learn a gamarra has agada and you don't just cut it out and we know about the famous work yanke in yankev and medish was actually for balabatim um throughout the ages they used to learn it in they weren't they did not have dafisher They didn't have sharim that are able to make it today. It's mamaki watching television. Certain it's amazing what they're able to do with AI technology and the yada that people are able to do to make it interesting and entertaining. In those days, people didn't even have the training to even understand it. So what did they do? They wanted to be the eat them to learn something. They used to go they listen to medish. Um so throughout the generations they used to learn medish. Now throughout the generations I'm talking is in the printing period of time. I don't know what if they learned medish how they learned medish earlier but in the times of there were different collections of madrashian put together by different people without going through all of them one of the most famous ones is way way back it's a collection of mash and for for centuries the way the go-to safer if you wanted a medish was the wrote called so the med you went to this farm store in those days you couldn't go buy tyrus It was very rare what you wanted to buy meda was also not so simple to find was more popular and that's what it has and that's where he parked and wrote on the aspects and the and the aspects and he wrote this incredible work zon which sadly is very it's almost not known and when when you look in standard yachis they have a kiter of the they don't have the they have a sorry a kiter of the z of the not a complete version of his work Okay, moving further there's works later on and these works are collections of material from sometimes madrashim that they had and sometimes that they had. Okay. So in the times of print many different people were out there hunting for these madrashim. Um there were a lot of lost works and one such aid was Ramakim de Leonzo or Lanzo. I'm batching his name. I apologize. But anyway, one of his goals in his incredible works was to track down manuscripts for different projects of his whether it was for his work on and how to write a proper safe with and he wrote the classic work recently published which I hope to publish an article about it about the significance of this work um in a work that I'm about to publish and in other works of his one of the things he was using when tracking them um manuscripts was to track found lost kazal and he actually published the medagious and we even have a derelzar that it seems he published it and it disappeared and they only found like 100 years ago the first page of it but the rest of it disappeared. So he was Isaac in publishing madrashim the published madrashim and a yid that was crazy in this which which relates to our story is from the base none other than benagra um was a unique person I might have mentioned him in the past that sometimes there are people that they have that their fathers are such great people so that the the sons completely get forgotten about or almost forgotten about one such you very little has been done about him um relatively isra he's very close with his father and he's a very unique kid um and personally I have to make a disclaimer that I have been working on Ram for many years I hope to publish a if I win the lottery one of the things I hope to publish is a dream as one could dream to publish a whole work about him and in the course of my work about him there's a there's a work of his that's known which is called Rav PM And the Rav Palm is this fascinating work. And how does it relate to our story? So when you open up the Rav Palm which was published well after his uh death, it was published almost 100 years after he died. It says um he's going to collect all the different pieces that bring down that we don't have. And when you look through the cafer, it's mindboggling the amount of that he had or tracked down or saw and pieces in the name of Kazal that he had that he that he and he puts them in the letter of the pes and all of a sudden you see oh there's a lost medish like this and there's a lost medish like that and um and he'll collect the date the existing say okay there's such a thing yeah he says where how do I know about it and he brings a few passages then he'll say What? Where's such a medish? So I'll show you places that the different that bring it down. So his incredible yed is remarkable and his yada in piecing together. He he now what's the significance of knowing all this? So he says in his in he says many times there are pieces in kazal that you could understand through the different midrashim. So mean say there's more to the story and where is the more to the story in midrashim when you um a lot of times you piece together a whole story you learn a it plays out much more inad obviously all of a sudden you learn and then you have a medish and you have a all of a sudden the different pieces you learn it's a piece from a lot of times you'll see him doing it just as an example but many people it's remarkable what you could do and um sets one thing another time he says it actually plays out in he has different examples he gives some examples to that. And he um and he says over the years he got this information and he came across a piece from the from that says if someone was to you if was gave you that gave you and you and he was mgal to you stuff and you don't publish it it's a so therefore I feel I have to publish it says anyway and this work as I said only came out much year many years afterwards um and and we might touch on a little bit shortly um some more significance about it. Okay. Many different people were madrashim and writing perushim under madrashim especially from the base med just to note the rash the radal and others and other people also were is medish there's many names over here and we could discuss this at length or as I said we're trying to keep six episodes into this episode. Um, continuing onwards, there were different people, I would call them, for lack of a better word, interesting people, and we'll clarify what I mean shortly, that worked on publishing midrashan that you discover from all different manuscripts. One such was a Yid Aaron Yelnik born in 1821, dies in 1893, and he publishes over the course of 20 years six volumes called Bad Madrashim. And India is multiple madrasim, all types of interesting madrashim about all different types of things mostly relating to. And this yid um um a lot of academic literature has been spent on him but he's one for and we'll see why he's important for our story. Another such yid is the great famous was a wealthy businessman a galatian yid who published numerous madras from he would buy them um we have letters in a work that I'm about to publish from um in there there's some letters that I have between him and the cifim who was a book dealer we have them hundling about different manuscripts him helping him get them sometimes him using them sometimes borrowing them sometimes buying them and then publishing them and restrain also he published a ton. Now it's famous and this became famous from Kafki's lifetime. We mentioned it briefly that um at one point in time the I like to call them the gate watchers said how could you publish materials of and they were upset. I suspect there was not such good motives behind it and they started up with this famous from called and they said to them how could you publish materials of this bubber all these madrasum. Now mind you that for well over a hundred years all but madrashim of all types are lined with numerous madrashim that are published by this but they felt to be that this new how dare you do it. Okay so um so first they went and they asked going through all his quotes all the time all his mash. So he says the already passing it. So he said what? So first of all rather uses his but then showed off his incredible he didn't show off. I I'm sorry for using such language but he basically pointed to a where he quotes a of so everyone was out wow that was incredible showing that he's using a a comment of of himself not just the medish. Okay fine now. So at that time they answered themselves up in a Yeshur in volume 40 publishing some monkatcha letters showing the matcher who was known to be a ko in contact with him and there are numerous sources of that had plenty of contact with him um at different points in time I've um maybe mentioned some of them and just one letter which again for some people is not necessarily but he says he writes a letter to to he says he says The kids are he's very happy with this and then he goes on to give him a bunch of and what it helped him right away. He shows him a few different suggest what it helped him um through the information that he published of this um from the Bish that was what he was referring to. Okay. Anyway, the malam we know with correspondence with him and there's plenty plenty of that did have a correspondence with him but what's significant is he's one of the people that are publishing the drashim from manuscript for the first time withki is using it another person was a granote also a talm of from the base medish of Berlin seminary um but again many didn't like him if you look in the one of the books of dovanovski if you about the early in in the beginning of the century of the 1900s you'll see he has a whole article about him and whatever without getting into the details about him but he also was one of these that published many madrashim and the la the last two people to mention um to get to isimer who publishes numerous numerous madrashim and his anol goes ahead and publishes again them again with updates with tikunim and amongst the different materials that he has is the is also bi madrasha he's similar um also collections of incredible amount of medish he also published is materials from and this is all not all but some this is coming from the karagniza and his significance and his role with the karagniza is its own story and then the last person for the story is the kasher who its own who deserves his own bunch of episodes where he was using all the mashim of all these people and more and puts them up and making it usable and everyone loved the work um when they use um to learnish to see the connection between making it very easy on every puk and then Okay, they're fat gigantic volumes but very worthwhile. So Ra Kyki is also using Ty Schllay. So now what is the work that Ra Ki uses? Does he have Yelnik? Does he have um um Granite's work Vertime's work? So it seems like this throughout the works of Kineski he quotes a work called Madrasha. Okay. So this is a Yid Yehuda Eisenstein. Okay. He lives to 102. He's born in 1854 and dies in 1956. He comes to America when he's pretty young and he is beyond prolific and he publishes many called this that of so it's a collection of so a collection of all the various travels which uses in other works of his you want to have all the took place over the years so you don't have time to go track them all down you buy his volume so he um and one of the things that he did which one of his most famous works is called which is he collected from multiple sources and he gives credit to where he's getting them from. doesn't steal and say I I found all these major but he uses um the works of Yelnik and the works of of Granite and um Vertime and each medish that he publishes he has a whole introduction of what um where this medish is coming from what he's using um sometimes it can be multiple cases now uses this hundreds of times I would say throughout his writings and there's a wealth of madrasim a wide range of madras could be found in this volume. It's published many many times. Fine. So just to um throw it out there this revis this Eisenstein was an interesting Jew and one of his things that he became famous for was he wrote an encyclopedia called Israel. He didn't write all the entries. He had all types of yud and helping him for the entries. Refuk even wrote an entry in there. But a wide range of people um wrote there. Now there's a Yid Usher Asser who wrote a doctorate about this Eisenstein. It's called when an American Jew produced Judah David Eisenstein and the first Hebrew encyclopedia and he deals with the whole story of this Eisenstein and a fascinating read to read his um his doctorate on the subject. He's a very interesting um he also wrote memoirs which deals with a lot about America and that memoir actually got him in trouble. Now I was told that in Ra Kfki's library there was a copy of the also I didn't see it but I was told by friends that they did see it there. Now but okay I don't know if Kineski had it but I came across a bunch of years ago that the famous Hungarian expert of Yfk writes that he saw um before World War II he learned in the yeshiva of the satireba satarba is a nice koi. He said he one of the things he remembers from the library was the set of Israel that was there. He says he thinks it was one of the lower shelves that people shouldn't notice it but he noticed it. Okay. So what's the significance of this story with Israel? Why am I bringing this up and why am I telling this first is because like many things this is the subject of great controversy. And a few years ago um already there was a yid um who wrote about this a bunch of different times. a yid who's a tremendous baky his name is Yehuda liba bend David and he has very many interesting sarum so back in 2002 he published a safer called sham yhuda and in this piece he has a criticism to various from companies for publishing different um and they're not careful what they publish and the information they bring from different people so one such cafer he says is the and some other he says it brings quotes from and now he's obviously referring to is this yalnik when I said interesting yid I definitely could hear how certain people might call him even I'm not passing I have no blasted clue but that's what he's referring to um so now his problem was about Israel also okay he wrote this comment and he's written about it a bunch of times and he gave there was a a session called bavad a bunch of years ago and he said the same essay this essay that he published he also said it over there because you're making a about various and various m for publishing materials without being careful what they publish. Okay. So in Ben this also became a conversation between professor Yakov Spiegel and David Hilman where two articles are written about a back and forth between the two of them in the USA journal and the question was is a kosher is a mut to use the Israel from this Eisenstein and David Hilman who legendary for being a tremendous expert but he was also a canoy located numerous passages in Eisenstein's autobiography that were very problematic showing him to be as Again I'm using for lack of a better word interesting. So fine. So now between the of and the of this author so the question is what about now mind you I'm telling you is that for a period of over 50 years can ask you is using these notes. So says the um so turns out that the company Mishar which is based in they had a relationship with and they're the ones that published the maj I mentioned all the way in the beginning so they write that they're republishing but they're publishing something fascinating at the end of the volume they're going to have notes from Kyfki and they go ahead and publish over well over maybe a hundred notes Kyfski page by page he went through casuring up the the pieces that are mut to look at mashim and are okay. So they publish it fine and he says there are pieces that you got to erase because they're against um the way it says in the now I don't know who wrote this because I told you many times writes but this is I'm not sure it says they have to erase them. Fine. So says this. But if that's the case, so why are they publishing it? When they're republishing, they should take out all the passages that they now know is saying is problematic. Um and does it mean that the rest of the safer is good? He's not clear. He asked what should he do? And he said answered him that he wanted you to be piled to erase it. So what does he do? He went to his own cap and he crosses out all these pieces. That's what Liba does. Okay, great. So now but the question becomes when you go look at these carefully again I'm not going to go through all these hundreds of hours but one set of is relating to the safer which we began talking about and that is this Ben work that quotes already take a few times what's going on. So we if you what's going on is like this because if you look at notes says but then says but I have a problem it say it brings it and then a few lines later he says the brings it. So there's a there's a there's a struggle. So it's like not even clear after you see these notes what does he want you to cross out? Does he want you to look at this maj or not? And if you go look in time you'll see he's using it. You look like he's using it. So it's very unclear um what's going on. But the but the question is more than that. What's really the story of this work? So again u time is short but this work um um Bener is not the famous Bener way way back in the middle ages there was a work that was known as alpha beta bans and in this work there's all different types of interesting passages um um time is short so we're not going to even go into all the different aspects but there are different interesting things in this safer and just to quote very very briefly two things one of them is um a question was asked why do kitan die at the age of 8 days old. So he brings down a whole thing of that is that Leelus comes and kills them and what you have to do is you have to have a special Kameha and if you don't have this Kamehaha and it says over here in this work what the Kameha is has to be by the now turns out that the whole minigan Klus has to do with this nikuda with this story and this is a story that at a different time perhaps we'll tell um much more but it has to do with this work this alphabet Ben Ser. But then but the the what what what what got this I guess we could put it on um famous so to speak is as follows. Who is this safer? So at one point in the beginning of the safer it says there's an incredible piece and it says over there um it's talking about Ben. How was Ben conceived? And it says it somehow comes from the daughter of Yo And without going into all the particulars um and um the medish this work says that there was some zer and through this okay which is an incredible discussion in can talk about um um because technically it's not even really possible and this has there's a lot to do because of this people got very nervous about the safer And already way way back um a famous Moscow Benze he asked Berlin what do you know about this thing about and this weird story and he says like this why did he ask him he says as follows And then um um Benze goes on and he says that ta it's a very problematic piece and a lot of ink has been spilled about it writes all about it and others anyway and so this piece of leas also there's a lot to discuss the the brings it down but the point is this is interesting work and what we're seeing over here is is there is bringing through the madrashim this work. Okay. So now we're getting to to to the last um part of the story for today and that is false. So as I said brings it down and um basically if I wanted to sum up what the safarasher is I would say is like this. A lot of times when you you like to know the backstory of something what does that mean is not a history book. So when you learnish even if the time there's times that the is but we know as we learn and you will see how the even when it looks like it's and they have a whole explanations what is this but a lot of times you don't know the end of the story what happened light we know all about light and they save him when does light die so you want to know the answer you pull out you sayasher and numerous numerous details that one might want to know about the backstory of the information is found in the so obviously is going to be using it often in Islamic because that's the goal to tell you the backstory. So now the question becomes is the hayashar reliable or not and what do we know about it and what is raises role with this. So first as a um to mention a story like this. So I over the years I've collected different information and I have KKI's work about to save. So last night while I was preparing this I do what many different um people like to do. So over the past bunch of months I decided I'm going to play with chatt and I want to see what chat pt tells me about to say yes. Maybe I'll get some more march that I could steal and use in this year and not and and not give it credit. So I asked ChachiBT, "What do you know about the Safosar?" And he gives me this beautiful well-written answer. I was like, "Wow." And it had three pieces of information. Now I was not I'm not trying in this year what I'm about to say. Also, I'm not trying to give all the information about it at all, but I wanted to it. So it says the Marshall brings it down the brings it down a bunch of times. Okay, fine. Galdic. So I said, "Where's the So tells me per Zion similic." Okay. I go start looking at my yamash. Not there. So I say which one? It's in this addition and it gives me it doesn't stan tell me that it's there. It gives me a whole five four lines. I say it's not there. You're right. It's not there. So why did it send it to me? Okay. Then I say alsh as I when I start asking no no it doesn't exist. I said okay. So where did it come from? He goes ah a secondary source says that the marshal and the marshal and okay great. Who's that? Tells me to say that. Now the say uses the say a lot. So I was like great. So they say the Russia says it. So he tells me yeah if you look in the Berlin edition this and this year fine. So the takis edition say that I say I go look it's not there. I said what are you talking about? It's not there. You're right it's not there. So what are you doing? You're giving me. So now moral of the story was it didn't give me one piece of accurate information. So I asked her why are you doing such a thing? No you have to understand how we work and now the reason why I'm telling you this is because I have been testing it on numerous numerous things. There are many benefits to it with the quality of its writing skills in both Hebrew, English and translation skills. But the information that it gives is baloney. But this is not even one aspect was right. Now why am I upset? Is not because it gave me these three saying they turned out not to be good. Is there tons of information on the internet that he could steal and get that chachi should be able to find easily. So why is it making up fake information? You say if I ask it a trick question and there's no information. So okay. But to save out Yasher, you could find on Wikipedia a good article and you can find plenty of places without fancy things. So the answer is something's very strange and you have to be very aware of this makuda. But um you heard recently spoke about it and but he didn't play around testing. He doesn't waste his time. I'm telling you I waste my time. I tested it on numerous numerous things and in the future I'll share with some of the different tests to see what it does now. So now so back to the safe and that's how we'll conclude today in 1625 a work comes out this work becomes throughout the generations a bestseller and I'm telling you you know you give your your curious 12-year-old kid wants to read this book he's going to get tons of information he'll be able to impress the rebi the amount of information he's going to get lamash I said you want to know who is the adim at does ma sale it says the names of the people we don't have any other source for it galdic you want to impress Rabbi you go and rebi who are the four people what four people and who are the names I'll tell you the names how do you know safeash you don't know safeasha anyway so already all the there's tons of the origin of the safer now very mysterious who the person was and the makes a whole origin story okay fine but now I'm not coming to say if it's reliable or not but I'm coming to say this uses it and I'm going explain why he used it in a second but the D the a few times and others use it. I I assume somewhere buried in the monstrosity work he has a why he does use it but he uses it at least increases a bunch of times I found and many others and and obviously it's a long story to explain the um um why they use it and why possibly not but since we're just focusing on Kyfki that and that's how we'll conclude. So basically is back in 2003 someone publishes the work of Keski and they say like this say I'm publishing the in it has of a few hundred so they haved from as you know from all the episodes I'm very fond of quoting the he says like this he says like this I don't find Now the the to understand this there is a brought by and there might even be pieces in here but okay then he says like this there's something called there's something called which I'll elaborate on in a moment and that is found and there is such a medish and I have it from how of from So again is telling you about must be that then he says maybe he changed the so now he says when I was young I wrote an iris and a lot of the iris I'll show you opposite Gamarra here and there that there's a lot of um simple there's a lot of um overlaps of different piece of information that I feel is enough of a case to make it that you could use it. Fine. That's what Keski says with this. Fine. Now there's there's a few more points that I would like to bring out but being that we're already going very late so I'll bring them up in the in the introduction of the next last episode but just to conclude to sum up over here is like this is using this vast majim but not only the meda that he has that everyone has in their but even this madrashim of Eisenstein but he and he has millions of to say what's good what's not but as I said it's not so pure because there are works that are not so simple And is aware of this and he writes these but then comes the used and there were different that had tremendous that they felt that it that that they could use it. Now there are people that that question it but is not coming to say it's a that you could pass it on it. It's it's more like it's more like that um that this relates to the series of season two where I dealt with and that we'll continue with next time to conclude this part and to move on with and um also >> thank you very much Rabbi Dr. Abbrat. We're going to have to cut out that chat GPT rant. I say cut it out not cut it out that it shouldn't be in this episode. Of course, if you got till here, you've heard it already. But I think that's a highlight that everybody must hear, even if they don't make it through the whole episode. But thank you very much and looking forward to future chat GP tests on information.