Pre-Shavuos Program & Siyum Meseches Sotah

very fortunate to be part of this great learning of hearing me together with all you and aldaf it's a tremendous honor and pleasure to introduce our militia suede it's really the idea of old off and we are so beneficiate we are all beneficiaries of the tremendous platform more only more and more tired together on behalf of the Orthodox Union I'd like to thank everybody for coming this morning [Music] Executive Vice President who's here Rabbi Dr Josh Joseph Executive Vice President who's not here president mitchader was also not here just like this don't have when I was in touch with both Yakov Moomin and blumen frost and we're thinking perhaps an opportunity to come to the upper west side and we're thinking when what would be a good time and we looked at the calendar and we saw that this is taking place it happened a few days ago we figured let's come before schools and perhaps join the community in a event I'd like to thank everybody for graciously opening up this venue to host to see him as well I would like to thank my friend OU board member Ezra Friedberg who was recently appointed to chair the Torah commission for joining us as well the emotion Brand store for Usher tesser and Alex Cook for filming and setting up all the technical aspects of the of this event I'm not here to speak but I thought that it will be appropriate to mention that today Sunday according to most I think we pass in this way three thousand 335 years ago cloudy Soul King tarzinai Stephen and the Posse comparison the terror tells us that he traveled from from reviewed them and they came to harcina and rationally ready and the first one will ask why is it important to let us know that they left harcina the chuva is another shadow that say when they left they're already preparing for Kabbalah when they got there that's the time to be ready for Kabbalah why is it important to let us know that when they were leaving already that's when they were getting ready for Kabbalah and then it sieved on the plastic says that the famous story of rakia when he wanted to teach children Tyra says that he planted flax and the flax grew and he made Nets and he took the Nets and he caught deer and he took the skin of the deer and they had to work it to make it eligible to suffraterah and the question theory is what he just called by skin that was ready to use Kamal satara and then it said that as important as the actual minor has seen as the Kamal tiger as the preparation the material that goes into cabal Center and that's where she didn't just suffice with buying skin to write he went through all the preparation all the tears of the period this are still very tired to be written on so I think it's appropriate as we stand or should I receive on the day we came to harsinai to spend a few minutes together and actually prepare some Terrace good breakfast here so it's not that difficult for Kabbalah satira the program will be we're gonna have a CML Ali Zuckerman is Nick Museum and then we will follow by kadish then of a hamara will speak followed by a question answer on the latest Castro's issues challenges questions with throughout the most elephants we'll deer in a few minutes one last thing and this is the most important our personal type to all the sponsors who took part in dedicating the CM we thank each one of them for their sponsorship and Mr Shem these are all desire to have much growth and continue supporting the terror that gets learned through these wonderful apps foreign throughout the shots it was a lot of there was another the concept of militia and the shield as they've ever had to have a little I live on that level the fact that he's like he witnessed on himself that he didn't have enough little finger than ever so that got along for that kind of that kind of movie was Battle it was never it was never like that there was no such a thing and based on that people didn't work the famous question on the next movies anymore because I'm here so the famous questions first of all how did he say it on himself and and what's behind it is basically says that the story says that that when they were debating who they should make the robot there were two options okay he was into it it was either a bias or a robin and the question was which one they choose so they must have said was Sinai and another was like a hurry and this is they chose the Joseph who was Sinai and the fact was he didn't want to do it he didn't take it he didn't take it on himself he he gave it he gave it away for sadaba for 22 years ago was the rabbit was uh hadn't had the what was the Shiva and after after he passed away only then did he take did he do it so when it says the wild rabbit was the sushiva he was sitting there he learned that he didn't do anything he might bring the whole the whole thing over there he didn't do anything it resembled any kind of Malaysia so yes was really saying don't learn shout that I know the means like we just don't shot them in in Nevada that because he was such a big Catalyst and he didn't do anything that's why I don't know because I'm I had the same situation and I don't want I don't have an assign that she said that I'm honest so he's what he's saying really is like um you're putting me in a bad spot in the bed on the side I'm like I'm not gonna uh foreign [Music] foreign choice [Music] what's up everybody I'd like to acknowledge the participation and support of their abundant in the neighborhood I know Sunday mornings are difficult for abundant you know we work Monday through Friday at bottom work Sunday is one of the busiest days so thank you particularly for mcgettinger and by Stein for being here and I believe we have participation of the fiamme Learners from many additionals in the neighborhood so appreciate that as well I'd like to acknowledge Friedman from Williamsburg who says this year on the old app for coming and participating as well yeah parameters it's really a tremendous honor to introduce Moshe Howard here in the neighborhood we know Robbie Howard a bit through his son he saw an hour in the back a member of the cover of Colo I think the best way to introduce Riley Howard so a pot second part of Cicero which is relevant to today's date is on this day when augustral came so Rashi says what's the shot in the possible that's why she says that every single time a person goes to learn it's present it's current it's relevant to us it's as if it's happening again again and again [Music] takes place only when we actually receive the title why is it said here invited is that we know khazal Palace is from a different place it says so it could be that the idea is that besides for limit every single time that we come together that's the prerequisite to how we're going to learn Tyra it's one thing to look at Tyra as one is experiencing it as one is living it as one is learning the words to realize that it's new and that it's current and that it's novel in front of us but it's another idea to realize that we only have the color actually came from when they all came together on that day there was no limit they didn't learn one word of tayar that day but that itself that there was an avalita of that's not only a historical past event it's a current relevant and only when we appreciate that avodah are we able to then move on to the importance of limerhatara as well so we are so grateful to Raleigh however as someone who is exactly this point he's a person who brings Gideon together the great umbrella of the OU is a tremendous unifying force we can all testify to that point that in some way we have occurs Adolf to the OU we look up to the OU and it all starts from the top down in the top down and it starts from Robbie Howard without further Ado a tremendous covet and honor to have addresses thank you very much thank you appreciate very much the the warm words and uh again from the from the area who are here Allah it's really a privilege privilege for to be here to be able to participate in yet another celebration of Tyra another celebration of Tyra and the David Bowie barcenae and those those those ideas are are uppermost in everybody's mind I want to share with you this morning an idea of really of of two models the the Messiah zipperman alluded to that Gamora in the end of Jairus where the Gomorrah speaks about the Sinai two different models and as we think really about and we think about covered and we think about how we ourselves are able to develop through Torah it's significant for us to realize that there's a model being celebrated here this morning a significant significant model and there's another model another model which is it adds its own layer of complexity and that's really what I want to to to talk about with you here today the Gomorrah the last mission in saita says twice it says and a couple of lines later it says everyone notices this problem Rashi already addresses it how do you say about two different people in two different periods and of course was well before rabi Akiva appears later in the mishnah how do you say about both of them that when they both each of them died had a resurgence had Resurgence arashi stops on the Surah she says that the story of Misha Mason is that which the Gomorrah tells famously in the beginning of the second paragraph and at the time until the time of brown we would all be standing to learn Tyra like means that you stand up for the Torah people became weaker harder for them to be able to do this so people started to sit people just started to sit eventually they started to sit and drink coffee eventually they started to do more and more closer but that was the coverage we sat we sat and we learned it even became it even became the expression that was the coverater which was lost but you know there's a different kind of a coverage people sometimes say a wise person once told me a once a wise person who got a lot of covet wherever he went people stood up for him they honored him they gave him speeches of introduction they said it's much more meaningful for me that rather than people do the so to speak the trappings of Honor that they actually care about what I think about what I have to say about what I have to contribute says Rashi the color of Herbie Akiva was because on every little extra extension of the letters that are found in the sifri Tyra tilay tilim was a covered to the word he wanted to extract from every bit of the word of Hashem another another idea another Insight another thought the covet of the Torah itself and that went by the wayside with Misa Serbia Akiva nobody was able to do the same to us even looking at that idea of being dirish tea lady is is is obscure in fact it's written in cut my name that part of the reason why we were mavatar so readily but the Morris says and get them that we don't have to read we can read from kumashim which don't have right they're just block letters we read from regulars Forum because we no longer are dirish we don't extract everything from everywhere so it's a different it's a different picture now we're still in the Emmaus sphere most of us in one way or another almost almond hug him not all but almost Domin have have by now by Steven are a little bit slowed down with the Minogue Avalos but we can't Overlook the fact that at the same time when we speak about every Akiva being the champion of Covenant and of course as well Ruby Akiva being the champion of hafta but we are also in a period where we recall that the talmudium of Rivia Kiva Lloyd and it's an amazing thing the person who emphasis was the the seat of covenantair the person who was the seat of there are many who have asked this question and there are many who have who have answered this question so I want to to suggest to to suggest that perhaps at the core of this lies an approach of of a difference and the difference between the Derek in a certain sense of the Earth which may be the death of the Lafayette and another Terrace another Derek first just a simple answer to the question the Keystone perhaps of the answer to the question is that the gomorraham says that they stood up for each other they showed covered from one to another like a rabbi like Arabi to a talmud even though they were even though they were learning with each other Rashi says that the basis for that that they were um says Ranchi that the idea was that they the the reason why they were I mean I'm sorry I'll tell you what he's uh here it is yes says Rashi let me show you yes they sat together in the basement they asked on each other and they answered to each other so they were all learning from each other so first of all what you see over here is that there was a bahrina an aspect of coverage which absent that is not a concerned they treated each other like they're obeying like their teachers because they each one dismantled the other one's thinking and then rebuilt it they had arguments and learning they talked in learning in such a way and that it translated into such a coverage that they saw the other person as their revi as their rebe as a result that's the nagu khafed of this of that that was there in Bothell that was not present amongst the tamidi Arabia why would it not be present so the gemara says we have a whole series of gamaras which shows that energy soil which is they didn't learn like that they didn't learn by asking Cassius on each other and providing answers one Mariah sort of would be what the Messiah just said and he pointed it out very carefully that when Rabbi and raviasef when they were discussing who would be the rosh hashiva in Bothell where did they send the Shiloh they sent it there to his thrill and from where it's Israel they said Sinai Otis it's not questions and answers it's not challenging it's a delivery of the Messiah it's not conflict it's not I care horrible it's not conflict an argument one with the other it's straight so that's what they valued and it's famous Gomorrah where the gemara speaks about and it says that in Earth's Israel they were pleasant to each other in switzerlands they were antagonistic to each other now I know what you're thinking doesn't sound like what we do right now it sounds like a little bit like a like a roll reverse like where these nice Paths of Americans that manage to get along with each other um and there it see soils it's it's a bit different but the Gamora says that was the quality of terrorism and it's the same language it's it's a it's fascinating it's pervasive it's effective gamoras over here above matsues to other Gamora Syrian governments here that bring this out you have of course the famous gamara that representative when he went to Erich Israel he fasted the Gomorrah said he fasted a hundred times he should forget you know the famous story with the inisher you know that story it's a great story when I've heard so I came here and see thrilled so after a little while he of course he was he had a connection to the Khazana and he he met the khazanish and they were talking and learning he said you know when I was in Dublin there wasn't a tasteless insurance that I couldn't just recall says now I'm here and you know the earlier abundance whatever it is I can't it's I'm losing it he complainted said if only Rosario would have known or obsera fasted a hundred Tales him to forget the Torah footslords he could have just become the chief rabbi tomorrow says he did it why he says distract him so Versa later today so he says they were easy with each other like we say in San head and um they answered they explained things without asking answering without the conflict the hair of PCS of arguments in Tyra they did it all they did it with and he said now I'm going to learn tyrannates Israel and I have in my mind all the conscious all the territory all the back and forth I need to clear the text so I can learn in this sweet and straightforward way and of course we see this one page earlier in a very famous what's that it's the gumor of events so of course remember that died because of some or or something some critique and the Gomorrah says that review was crying over a sluggisha so what did they do so they said we're going to give him somebody else he lost his tongue at his we're going to give him somebody else and so they they brought him was so so fluent in his learning and he sat in front of him and everyone said he brought him a proof what's that there is Israel so he said location he says I had a taste of a different kind of learning what which you the great severeign don't provide for me and that is that he challenged me that he asked me cautious he says I don't need you to tell me that I'm right I need you to show me where I'm wrong that was his title the rathconita the growth of Torah that he wanted the sudden and significant growth of Terror that he experienced with rishwakish that he didn't find with this person one could even say that you know the gumara that leads to it was that revolutional said to reslakesh on a mishnah in Kalin list him right you're a bandit you know the story of of what makes a sword and was insulted he was recalling his old days was saying you have the care of of you're a Warrior when I learn with you yeah I learn it with a warrior who brought your fighting Spirit into the basement and there's something which is incredibly exciting about that it's transformative you learn something revolutionary somebody changes the way you thought a moment ago so you have Sinai where people teach you Tira more and more nobody's challenging you they're just giving you they're giving you more and more of the words of time and then you have the I care Harin the tejan that everything that said is fought with is challenged in the days of Rabbi Akiva really keep okay wasn't about revolutionary change Through Time he was about evolutionary change and how do you know what's the right so there's a very famous Riot and then I'm going to ask you a question which I think you'll say is the second riot the very famous Raya is what brought Ruby keep it to the base of Andrews right he saw water a steady drip that was Dripping on a rock and there was an indentation in the rock could you point to a moment where that indentation was made was there a revolution was there some point where somebody said something a lightning bolt that changed that rock you would never be able to see it even with our cameras you know that slowed down the the you know you'd watch it all time and you'll see it like when would you see that you'd have to take Decades of frames and string them together in order to be able to see an impact that's not a challenge that's building I have Akasha for you everybody knows the story of rabi Akiva Rebecca went to learn his wife sent him to learn he went to learn for 12 years after 12 years he came back neighbor I wish he'd go for another 12. he comes back 12 years later with 24 000 tall medium how many told me did he come back with after 12 years do you ever wonder like this personally like he built it up you know like they didn't open the mirror with eight thousand families you know they started with the comments they started with a few a few people and slowly but surely and you could track it over time so it goes from 100 to 200 to 400 to 800 to a thousand you know slowly but surely we're making the 12 years he comes back alone 24 years he comes back with 24 000 tell me them isn't that actually you might say that's actually Revolution not Evolution but there was a Tipping Point that came after gradual and continuous Ruby Akiva didn't change things dramatically he just continued and grew and there's another way and that's talmuda de above and excuse me that I'm that I'm that I'm doing this but I have to share this with you because this this note here to me is is shaking in in how it it presents sort of like a completeness of the picture of Tyra so we see what have we seen we've seen that in bothered people fought with each other they changed each other's minds weren't bringing rise to each other where one said like reviews said to to his new Talent you know I don't need you I know that I'm okay and I'm not going to stand up for you you're not my rebby but in Bothell was like they fought with each other they transformed each other they had no choice but in a certain sense to be mad at each other listen to a rambam I know it all sounds like it's from the moon but it's amazing when you think about it it's a random famous where it tells the story of avram Aveeno where did abravino start off it wasn't quite you know or cause there you start left in the Kingdom of nimrod which was Bothell Africa was the one who was who left mcdoubadan so he started laughing buffer Kevin when avradino recognized to debate with the people of our custom about matters of faith you're not doing the right thing you're wrong [Music] you should destroy everything else because people get confused by anything else won the arguments he won the debates he overwhelmed them with his proofs what was the result because they wanted to kill him and I've you know had to leave this was not the period of avrah novena's success and being the current people to Terror so he ran and he left her at his thrill and what did he do in Earth's history he's still starting Williams he started to call out to people to let them know there's one God the Lord you should worship him and he traveled from place to place gathered people may earlier till he arrived to Canaan still teaching when people came to him and they asked him [Music] where's that expression come from know every person and teach them according to their way until he brought the person to the Derek Hamas till thousands and multitudes as the ram I'm saying saying ways of teaching he had one way of teaching in bovill and that way was confrontational argumentative revolutionary telling people you're all wrong and he had another way of teaching naruty Souls was he taught them the truth they asked him he taught them in a way and slowly but surely they learned and they grew Evolution not Revolution it's two ways ramir Shapiro Ramesh appear founded he was a remarkable personality he's a person whose impact on the world the way we have it the world of Torah that exists is immeasurable ramir Shakira as we know of course had one project called yeshiva's which was reversing the notion of Butler Covenant era in a certain way that people should stand up for the honor of Tyra you understand that our mayor Shapiro stepped into a world a world of Terror that was bleeding profusely that was losing adherence one after another and he had a choice like any manic Israel had a choice and the choice was that he could get up there and explain to all those people why they were wrong why communism was wrong why Renaissance intellectualism was wrong why all of those things were filled with all the books that were tumbling out of yeshive children of breiteria Hashem he could explain to them why they were all wrong and instead what he chose to do was something which was revolutionary but really evolutionary he said I'm going to be my habitara we're gonna hold it up on a pedestal we're going to build for its Yeshiva a pass beautiful place my goodness they picked up your laundry at your door of your dorm room for those of us who lived in Yeshiva us for some of us the word laundry is even a Scottish the laundry it and I understand it didn't last long but that was the original plan it was it was elevate you don't need Revolution Ary and then he looked at Kali Israel and you know you could walk into bathroom at rushes where people are arguing with each other and there's something which is incomparable to that Thomas buffley cushes will be looking to have the hunter so tired to be transformed in that way but that didn't make it that today we have everywhere you go you see people who are no longer in that base mattress carrying around the Gomorrah the Gomorrah and their Talus bank they come around under their arm said I'm going to bring something else now I'm sure many of you are here because you attended FBI which year everybody knows that in the dark here this year if you start with after the sheer the rep is going to politely come over to you and say we got away we managed to finish the dance today but if you keep doing that we're history foreign a dynamic thing if you're such a to have a three-hour Duffy every year go for it but for the rest of us rice only rice are welcome and we build upon each other and the notion and the idea that he made like brings together Israel now a black Gomorrah brings together and you might say ah but I don't know it I learned a day and a day and a day and I finished now we were Messiah and I remember I remember the first suggested because actually it's repeated sort of you know the aid then we have a little reminder in Rashi says I explained it already as if you remember right on the face of a base you are the first peric we keep going and we could somehow or another say you know what is it it's not Tyra it's not the same and it's not the same but it's that drop and that drop of water the Neiman you know him should that be it frankly I don't think it should be it I think we also have to somehow have a little because they'll tell us we mourn because we don't treat each other like we're obey him to some degree we also need to revolutionize each other and perhaps in a community like this a community of serious intelligent people where Torah and commitment to Torah learning is so strong maybe not in place of this beautiful land that's moving people along through another death and another death and adding and transforming but maybe there's also rules I always dreamed and never accomplished that you know like we could have like as a man you know like in a city foreign and the people bump into each other in the streets and they talk and learning about it and they're holding it and they're holding it there's room for both there's room to be I care I will add in a sense to our coverage but for now for the moment on the day that Babu met barsinai we can savor the incredible Covenant iron the incredible Naya of everybody together growing and learning growing a dust after a death mayakura's world will continue all of us that tell me them the children of Ramirez which he brought forward in all of us may we be desire to see it grow it's a privilege to be with you to celebrate the special master [Applause] promise to get you out of here in 20 minutes or so it's a big explicit this morning for us on the West Side to welcome who is the Chief Operating Officer and executive coordinator of a small organization you may have heard of called the OU kosher he oversees over a thousand employees who are involved in the certification and monthly inspection of over 13 000 plants and 105 countries in addition to managing OU kosher or the elephant is a world-renowned modern share and is daily shirim on Alda are followed by thousands of daily listeners from across the globe so I'd like to call a rubber elephant and just ask him a few questions regarding cautious I don't know if we have a second right okay sure someone's missing car keys they're over here all right so to piggyback off of uh what Rabbi Howard was talking about about Toyota if we could focus on the interaction between castros and Cultural Arts and Casual scenario to draw um so I um I'd like to many people have the perception that oh that the OU is an American fascist organization um but I saw in a recent interview that you gave that in fact the OU is a global organization with a very strong presence in Eric's history currently there are over 200 factories certified in Eric's Israel by the OU including osem Lee Strauss Carmel wines a long list of of manufacturing facilities so when an orthodox Jew from arid sister all travels to New York City Los Angeles Miami or really any major U.S city I think it it would I would like to think that cautious organizations in America have made it very easy for orthodoxyadin to find kosher food establishments to eat at it's fairly obvious where one can eat so my question is at least for myself I find it very confusing when I go to Eric's Israel let's say not even Jerusalem let's say in some of the outer cities to find where it where someone who keeps an OU standard of cautious in the United States or an orthodox from standard of Consciousness in the United States there are multiple cautious inheritance throughout so I guess my question is why is it so confusing and is there anything that the OU can do now to help Americans who are traveling Terrace Israel to filter through that Enigma of the different cautious agencies in there at Cicero interesting way to start the conversation so cautious in Israel is extremely complicated you are correct after having been involved with cashless in Israel for close to 30 years I have come to the understanding that when something comes in the United States to the supermarket to buy food someone chooses a Eatery where they want to eat food so there are scoffers that we're comfortable with but maybe as golfers that you're not comfortable with because of their standards and based on that that's who you choose to buy that's what you choose to eat when you go to the supermarket in Israel it's like going to the elections and the food you buy because it isn't only based on the conscious of the food it also is connected to the philosophy of the rabbi who's giving that it's connected to the United States that of course is a very complicated situation and to answer your question I don't really have a good answer because and Rabbi Howard and I separate do different parts at dlu he's more involved than the politics Etc and I'm about the cautious so I'm not really the one to state that opinion I'm certainly not stating the OU's opinion but in the United States what makes cash with successful is that it's not political and it's not at all involving the government we're not a government agency the government could not get involved in cash first even if they wanted to get involved in classrooms we have here separation of church and state in Israel the rapper nut is a governmental agency because they're a governmental agency they're bound to government rules so one of the rules that really ties the hands of the rubber Mountain Israel is many times a last audience what they think how would you define if somebody asks you what is the definition what in your mind characterizes a good action what's a correction how do you decide what you could have to show what support but Independence Independence that's a good answer that's a great answer so I'll tell you what how I define independence could say no it has got that if an application comes to the OU we don't have to take every application we decide based on fear criteria that when we will or won't take our we also have the ability to terminate a relationship if we feel that there's a company or whatever who is the following the rules we are legally allowed in our contract that we exercise it whenever necessary to terminate the relationship the rapid not does not have that ability anybody who comes to rubber not for high school it whether it's implicit or explicit is going to get ahead so when you're in a situation where you're going to have to give the Huska you're ready in a much weaker position and also because you're gonna have to give those Gaga and because you're going to have to satisfy everybody what the way you satisfy everybody is by reaching the lowest common denominator because if they terminate they're going to have they're going to be taken to court was a really deserving to terminate it becomes very complicated so and also you'll end up having in your town a restaurant that doesn't have eyeshadow so you as the role of the town you as the rock of the town have a real challenge do you want to have a restaurant in your town that is not Kosher what do you want to have a restaurant in town that's kosher where do we kind of stalker I'm going to give you two examples about two years ago there was a terrible terrible story and we shall not see him where it was a flesh at the restaurant and there was a girl who went to the flashing restaurant for a meal this girl was allergic to milk but it was ice cream on the menu she knew I don't think she was a religious person but she knew that she can't go wrong with ice cream and her flesh at the restaurant because it slices so the ice cream must be powerful and she ordered ice cream but why what happened with the ice cream the waiter went into the kitchen to bring ice cream for this customer and there was one no problem he went next door to the Bacolod and bought Dairy ice cream this is a true story it's a terrible story because she passed away because there was not much gear if there was Kia this could have never possibly happened so the OU I'm not saying nothing ever goes wrong believing plenty goes wrong but that's why people testifies that but we couldn't have had that because we haven't finished it would have never let that happen but the wrath of that town if he would insist that every restaurant to have a muskies he can never get away with it and then I'll tell you another story that I was at I'll not use any names obviously many years ago there was a very very prominent company in Israel that wanted to get all your supervision the company is an up north in Israel and I was in Israel I traveled up north we stayed in a very nice hotel in that City up north Israel and we met with the leadership of that company with the roof of that town and the person who was involved with the OU at that time in Israel and myself and we were told in this hotel you could eat we were still concerned so I ate the piece of fish that was grilled in a piece of covered in the silver foil that's not the important part of the story but everybody else around the table had a fly sugar meal had a meat meal after the meal was served the waiters came around and asked does anybody want coffee there are some individuals who suggest we'd like to have a coffee they brought a coffee they brought some coffees to the table with real milk with real milk after flesh you can heal the Wrath of the town was at the table with us the Rock at the town was sitting there I he's sitting in front of a person from the OU and they're serving a military coffee after a flashing the meal and you know what he did he said nothing my whiskey has turned over the table and he really worked it but that's the problem of Israel where the rabbana are limited in what they can do that's why there's a problem with conscious in Israel the issue however is so why can't somebody get involved the reason why nobody can get a valve is because as I said the OU goes only when we are invited why would somebody invite the OU that we should make their lives miserable so we're going to come in I'm going to tell you you need to have a mosquitoes committee we're going to come with all sorts of rules we're going to say that the keys to the kitchen when currently they could get away so yes you're going to come to Israel and you're not going to have to wait to eat something live without you it's not worth it and it's all about dollars and cents thank you that was that was very informative so speak speaking about getting invited places I've seen you in other interviews talk about how it's on the consumer to try to push organizations to get certified by the OU so let's bring it back to America has the OU been invited to Starbucks coffee yet to get to certify restaurants in Jewish areas and what should a person do to buy a coffee if they're traveling on the road and there's no Kosher establishment can you walk into a Starbucks and buy a coffee separate questions to ever certify Starbucks the answer is no and probably the reason is because we wouldn't certify a retail operation at software Chavez so a Starbucks that would become what you certified but have to agree to close for sharpness close for the octave and again it's all about economics and they're making a calculation I'm going to get this many religious customers and I'm going to lose Services a day of business there's a bakery that we certified that has many that has many different locations throughout the city throughout the boroughs in New Jersey and they thanked us and they said they got a wonderful opportunity where the owner of a property in Times Square wanted him to open up a rest a bakery there he says I'd love devou to do it but the owner said this is a property that I can't afford to not be open on jobs but we said we won't certify a place that's open on Charters so for that location he took a different National so a Starbucks because it's a it's economics he's not willing to give up the income of service and we're not willing to certify something that's over the charters so that's why the likelihood of a Starbucks location becoming OU certified very unlikely number two your question about going to Starbucks that's not certified so this is one of my topics I'll ask a question we have an audience mostly of men but think about what your wife would say you have a flashing a dishwasher a dairy dishwasher it doesn't make a difference and last night after shoppers your wife ran the meat dishwasher she opens up the dishwasher after it runs and lo and behold you know what she finds a Miller had a spoon in the dishwasher tell me what happens in your house I know what would happen to my house but either first of all it's certainly be my fault but after we establish after we established that it's my fault even though I never put anything into the dishwasher we the next thing would be it would be Tish above all over again a Milligan spoon in the flesh like a dishwasher we have to throw out the dishwasher buy everyone tomorrow and and I actually of course that's completely harmonically not required but I applaud the attitude I applaud the attitude that people are so serious about castras especially the women more than the men but what is going on in Starbucks they're not only serving coffee with milk or coffee with power of milk they're making sandwiches that are cousin that are real truth and where are they washing the utensils of all of those different foods that they're preparing they don't have a separate kosher dishwasher they have one dishwasher that they use for the coffee equipment and for the other food for other equipment that they're making would anybody in this room ever tolerate ever tolerate that they should eat from vessels from sport from spoons and forks and knives or whatever pots and pans that I used on a regular basis the same dishwasher for mommy's Trace can anybody think of that hold on please nobody nobody would want that so why should you go into a Starbucks that's doing that on a regular basis what is the exception the exception is when you travel in airports and airports Starbucks have kiosks the kiosks only serve coffee they don't do sandwiches they don't do the other Foods there you if you're so desperate for coffee from Starbucks you know I have to go with tactic I just came from my should I give it a fairly share in my shoe every morning and we have free coffee so spending six dollars on a coffee is just beyond me but but if you really want to spend six dollars on a coffee you could buy it in Starbucks kiosk ele fast Bakery it's an excellent question it's excellent question it's it's not it's not something that you especially if it's not owned by a Jew I can't a Nachos allowed to be open on Chavez so the first reason that we can't certify a retail establishment that's open on shoppers because it goes back to something I said earlier every retail establishment that we certify has a must give to me I can't find them as Gift Community that wants to work in a retail establishment every shot us and every youngsters so it's a very practical consideration the second consideration is just not right that the OU symbol with the OU represents after you heard Rabbi Howard should be attached to a place that's open on jobs and it also and we've been thinking about this many times it puts religious Jews at a disadvantage that means a religious Jew who's closing his operation on Shabbos is it a disadvantage versus the religious versus the person who's not religious and he could be open in Shabbos that's not fair we don't want to discriminate against religious Jews that wholesale has a has a situation there's no need for mosquitoes to Media committee consideration is not there because I would say well over 90 of the establishments that the OU certifies do not have a mistake of committee we have events of the necklace and one of the things that we do request and we not only request will do that we ask factories are usually in our current jobs so it's not an issue regarding Shabbos but they are open on YouTube and we will have mistake and when possible when necessary work at the factories on your teeth right time two more questions but then we can open up and obviously then if any next questions they can ask so I'd like to spend a minute talking about kulas and when when it's appropriate to rely on akula and I'd like to set the stage with a particular example so a person's in a supermarket let's for the moment not we know that Maisha had a famous landlord chuva allowing the consumption of non-helducerol products in America the OU certifies non-called visceral products um but let's and let's not discuss for the moment whether a person should be MacBook quality straw or not let me set the stage within it within a scenario a person's in a supermarket he has enderman's Donuts already in his shopping cart because the holidays are all ones just don't cut it for him and he's standing now in the milk section and he's looking at multiple bottles of milk there's a bottle of milk there that's called visceral there's a bottle of milk there that's not quality straw let's say for the moment that price is similar and let's say that the taste is the same is there any Hector for a person to rely on Nexus Kula to buy the non-halvey straw bottle of milk um when he can just as easily buy the holiday straw bottle and how does that apply to the broader use of coolest so to answer your specific question it's really a complicated halophic discussion because when you speak about Khloe Israel or not all of Israel why it's committed there's two ways of looking at that question you could take the approach to the prehuddish that the precognitive approach is that when we're in a situation where there are no non-kosher animals where the milk is coming from there's no rule of all Israel so according to the prehadash there's no reason to buy the father is not the pre-coverish remote is addressing the samsulation that some Cipher and other godalia Israel felt that the rule of Israel is exile what does that mean auxiliary means that the rule is the rule even when the reason for the rule isn't there so yes there was a rule instituted in Zara that was milked by nanju we need to be concerned what other milk he mixed into it so if we know there's no possibility of adulteration with another milk does the rule remain was the rule only as long as that concern exists took some Cipher's opinion very very strongly was that it doesn't make a difference and even if the reasoning for the rule is no longer applicable the rule remains it's a desire as I said the pre-consciousness of Greece remote is addressing the subsocial saying well there's a new category and that's called as he really uses the coal storm is really a second generation term the original term the remote she used was all of her compliments of companies they're here in the United States there is strong government control that Farms that have calves on them don't have any other animals that could give milk and therefore we don't have to be concerned for a motion himself in his cutest writes that that's up at the end and ramashu says that if you could get hold of Israel use coffee straw so really to answer your question is why are you being legal about the whole staff I'm relying on the prehadash that you can buy the holidays I rely on remotional that you shouldn't buy the Khalifa I also think this is a non-alachic perspective to this that all things being equal the way you describe the question that all things being equal if we will not quote comments that are trying to provide to the kosher consumer a higher level of cashless then who will and I'll tell you a story that I've repeated you might have heard it from me or read it in my name the last time the Belgium where to stroll was here in the United States he invited Rabbi ganach and me to visit to the Stanger bark and he invited us to visit him and he says to us you know I've heard such wonderful things about the OU parenthetically it was very interesting I met somebody in Israel a very big bells of custard who owns a one and he came to the OU for Husqvarna and it's not even why that he exports to that he would need the OU supervision so that he obtained all your s and I asked him what do you need to owe you for you know a small brand Soul Landing you Shrine he said I walked into my Rebel one day and I told Rabbi you know I have this wine business so the rapper asked me so which high school do you have he says I have the bathroom above the classroom I have that stuff off the bells of bastard he says not yes I have to have the OU everything has to have dealing he said the rapper told me I have to have the OU he immediately called and got the other supervision but the best rapper turns around to rub again after me and says to us see I hear such wonderful things about you the people who are working in OU Castro's parasitically the OU cautious department is the way rashids is going to look it's like a United Nations of religious Jews are from Robin from every Yeshiva why you Lakewood Israel every Yeshiva is represented in our staff you only have to have two qual three qualifications one does have to be a time to talk him two is you have to be a year of smile and third you have to be capital those are the members of our staff so he says I heard that's your staff that's who your staff is and it's time that the OU should upgrade that they owe you should be marked by the call of Israel and I'm a country strong person anyway so I didn't have to be speaking to me because not necessarily A hardly strong person say don't but like an act told them we're not only here for the Jews easily and readily available we're here for the Jews of Texas and the Jews and last all around the country that don't have cholesterol readily available and we have to service them also and that's a big part of our thinking the responsibility that we at the OU carry is a is a huge responsibility because we want everybody to be cultural but if we want everybody to keep kosher we have to make it available to them okay so so I have one last question and and the purpose of this question is to inform everyone on the constant changing world of castros and how new questions come up that have never been heard before so recently a new product has been developed called clean me or um or cultured me um and I recently saw a video by Rabbi kanek who was talking about the the technology behind it the different types of meat that's been developed the initial thoughts of the OU wrap on him versus the sock that came out of Eric's sister could you please take everyone through what this is and um how like how things stand right now in the OU versus possibly the rest of the world but nothing really stands up to you because the media is really not commercial available so you know you can't go to the store and buy it and it's a very complicated question that really needs constant study and really we can't give a final decision because nobody has really approached OU and told us we're making the meat and this is the way we're making it and now tell us will you be able to certify it I don't want to lose but there is a lot of discussion with manufacturers of this product because they hope to commercialize it and once they DEC commercialize it they obviously will want all your supervision and that's why they're being smart and they're talking to us earlier rather than later the issue here is this there's really three points to discuss this obviously a much more complicated issue Revolution wise Finish Line who we enjoy a wonderful relationship with and is one of our postskin has a very easy approach to it you may not like his approach but it's an easy approach he says if it looks like a dog and it quacks like a dog and it works like a duck it's a duck okay yeah so because for him you don't have to go there he says if it looks like a piece of me that it's meat so I don't care what it is what is the meat that is being referred to what they're doing is that they're taking DNA out of the cells of an animal detect the cells of an animal and in a laboratory they're turning that into meat there are tremendous amounts of advantage in doing so first of those who are concerned about the killing of animals you don't have to really kill animals also those are concerned about the environment there are tremendous advantages in doing it but you did start off with a cell of meat and since you started off with a selfie the question is it goes through true incredible chemical transformation and the question is is that transformation that's taking place in a laboratory turn the meat from being meat after something new and if it's something new provided that it was all kosher all the ingredients and everything involved in the process exposure that that meat will no longer be meat because it went through that chemical transformation and this is not an insignificant question and frankly it's not the first time that we have the question many of you actually encounter this question every year without even knowing or maybe knowing Diet Coke or pasta so what is the difference between Diet Coke and regular Coke obviously the regular Coke is made with sugar or corn syrup and Diet Coke is made with aspartame ascertain one of the ingredients in Aspartame is citric acid and citric acid is usually kidneys so now if it's kidneys and we at the OU and I see most of the audiences certainly are ashkenazic a Macbook is how could you have diet or composite the answer is it's kidneysana it goes through in a very serious chemical transformation the OU pie skin has gone back decades have decided that kidneys is only a minute and it went through this transformation and therefore you could have it on pesos that's kidneys here we're not talking about kidneys here we're talking about meat real real meat the cells of a real animal therefore you're dealing with a deriser and it's much more complicated and therefore at this point the OU's position is that a it will be considered flagships and B it will the cell will have to be removed from that for an animal that's a kosher animal and that was slaughtered properly complicated issue yeah no understood um or an elephant will be around if anyone wants to talk to him but the shul needs the room now so we ask everyone to please um exit as soon as they can bench please obviously and thank you so much Rabbi elephant for taking the time [Music]