Origins of Kol Nidrei and Hataras Nedarim: Part II | Rabbi Dr. Eliezer Brodt

hello and welcome to episode number two with Rabbi Dr liazar brat on the origins of kol misrey nataristarim this episode has been generously sponsored by an anonymous donor in memory of his grandfather avraham the overlearning all the knowledge being Eloy for his nishama despite the future episodes please reach out at Wade mou.org s-c-h-w-e-d-m at ou.org [Music] welcome back Rabbi Dr elieza Brock we are here for part two to discuss the origins of colony last time we went through basically from the origin no what is the origin I think you'll speak about it a little bit more until more or less current day we discussed um the reasoning the opinions of the Russian name many of the all the guy in them seem to be anti-colligray most of the spider name also were not so we spoke about that here we are going to discuss some other interesting topics we're going to be discussing the Kabbalah aspect of colony Dre why isn't Aramaic and again who made it and what does it have to do with Australian Kipper perhaps I'll touch on that as well and some other interesting historical facts related to Carl nidre Rabbi brought how are you today okay it's good to hear you give me your bar Hashem I know that we're primed and ready to go with a exciting episode so if you want to give us a quick recap of what we discussed and Dive Right In okay so I'm going to give a very brief recap like this we have a Teala called col nidrate which everyone that's everyone knows that's We Begin the diving of Yom Kippur Knight and it says there's a new Circle it says then there's a few sentences it's all Aramaic and it's we say the Nadar basically from my young kid president that's one Gerson and many and in many Mark zyrim you'll find in parentheses it says which is a combination it's pre past year and the future year so we point it out that the standard of those that did say call nidre was that they it was going on the past year what we the nadarm that were sort of being Master nether for the nadarim that we did this past year and we're we're getting hatara we're asking for Atara now the problem was is that in when one learns when Sacramento there's numerous questions how this works out with various sugias how could one be Master Ned there um you have to you have if you know your nether you have to be you have to say it specifically where's the best in um yeah all different different issues that are brought up in the reshaidam so we proposed so we brought down the rush says it's not really being matter nether because if you do know what you your nether was it's a problem so the rush he says that we retain the the nusrah that's going on in the Dharma of the past year but it's it's just kiddella and that's why we say um that we know of the rabbin brought down in all the wishing him over here he has a massive arigos in safariation and basically he switches the nusrach based his father already proposed it and it's going on the future so it's we're asking we're basically saying that nadaram that we're going to make in the next year were sort of um we're sort of asking for Atari even before we make them okay now so what happened is that um basically um as I pointed out already Last Time naftali video traces how the which which people went like no time if people want like the rush but eventually people and which is what you find in many maximum they just did both okay that that that's just a recap of um what happened and but we brought down and this is also significant is that LE Marshall um just to um I can mentioned very very briefly is Rebecca of emden and achuva and Simon hey he talks about the Dre and he says basically that the the the Russian arami was very it was very this this fealism as we know is an Aramaic and this mail is many dick took mistakes in it because people did not know they were not Machu the lotion around me alberyoff they didn't know properly and there should be different issues but lamisa we're going to keep it and he kept the way his Nursery was is that he kept it um he kept both um now he was an expert in Aramaic we know this because which is a sort of a dictionary on Aramaic from rebellion and he wrote many Aras on it and recently was reprinted by Mohan zikr but La maisa it is a a current expert today on Aramaic and language Professor Richard Steiner he has a massive article in English way above my pay grade and on this if one language is not my thing Aramaic language is not my thing where he talks about it showing that many the news are correct form once the article you could send him a PDF but it's something that I can't claim to have any understanding about now what we did mention also was that it was very against it but not only going in doesn't bring it down the ramban was very anti and just in Provence was very very also they were very against it one loss in the quote was um from rabies from the kimhis and he says also talking a whole piece about it that we don't say it in Provence filamentally called Varma meaning it's a mistake and cold probably and then he says because many problems could come up with it Etc and basically this was the approach anti um the meaning okay now um that is the just a recap of what we spoke about um you know not in a nutshell the main cheetahs and then we went through speaking about Indonesia what happened Etc okay but the question that needs to be answered is is there an attempt to be answered is um hold on one second yeah we have it's an Aramaic watch out it's an Aramaic so the ravan brings down it's an Aramaic because it was Zimbabwe and it was so that the could understand it so that's why that's a similar type of thing it was the second above L and ecolation we know everyone knows from pesacher begins with Aramaic viewer okay foreign he brings down it's handshakeness because people make a nadaram and they forget so this is this is what we're doing over here Lil Yom Kippur when we begin with this Villa so these are two makiras that seem to say that it's either it's in bovill or anshik nasak deila okay so that's um something about some one of the origins but we hope to through the course in the discussion we're going to discuss a little bit more and the answer is correct that that that whatever that you're gonna do whenever you learn gamara we'll leave it with with whatever that refers to okay fine so um many shoes it's interesting you know we discussed this beforehand that this is a minute which is I mean people could let us know is there any place in Colorado doesn't have this many of the community so it's interesting that it's really everywhere in all segments of cloud Israel um I haven't been to that many shows but the shows that I've been to all single with the same nigging and it's a pretty haunting again I guess our listeners from who are not traditional Ashkenazi can let us know if in other areas there are other nigum native traditional that I guess you and I are used to but tell us a little bit about the the Negan behind it so here too I'm not going to go into all the there's there's like everything else there's RAB I call Rabbit Hole so this rabbit in the studio called literary could go down different rabbit holes I'm not going down the rabbit holes of music because I'm not an expert I'm very far from an expert in music but there's a lot been written about this too but La Marshall if one looks no matter if Ryan when he's talking about Cognito he says basically it sounds like it's a early this there's a minute and maybe the minute that we have it's already far back foreign which also is only printed more recent from manuscript it says something and in a lot of sources we see something about it it's a niggen is it an exact or not recently I came across the Marshall the alpha Menasha where in um the fascinating work of him in Russia yeah it's a piece a whole very interesting piece now for now but he's talking at the end he talks about comidre and then he says some type of lotion we are really appendicular based on what we discussed in episode episode one that um there's problems and the exactness of the trilo so he says but there's a people are scared to change the nursery to be correct I'll be dictate why because basically something to the fact that there was a known in England and you don't want to mess up the Negan so we don't change the even though the Noosa really ideally should be changed anyway um recently a safer came out um from a very hash of David Kahana who is known as the father of agunus after World War II we answered many different shyles in your shalayim he was a raven best in it was avbezen in varsha beforehand and he was expert in a goodness amongst many other areas and just managed a few weeks ago Mahoney schlein put out a volume of his collecting of his materials based on manuscripts and articles of his that were published in different places um with the whole introduction and I come across as as I'm preparing my sheer kalnudre right then it comes I get to safer and he has a piece that seemed to have been published in Tel Aviv a way back um in a journal which talks about this minute of the Negan this haunting Negan so to speak where is it from and he and he brings that was known that people quote that it has something to do with Inquisition that the the anusim and svara this was a way um there's some some type of story behind it that people know about but he says and and that relates to the Hope's feel of kalnidre but he says that's posture that's not it can't be true because we know um and he points us out already we already saw that the rush who predates the Inquisition The rabbinutam Who definitely does and even the guy in him who are against it but if they're talking about it so it means it's beforehand but anyway but I was curious to know anything about this I I did not look into um fully but I asked someone about it so he told me oh he remembers growing up there was the famous Birmingham sitter and many people use this predates to Art scroll and it says over the year acquired intense significance particularly During the period of persecutions in Spain where some hundred thousand Jews were first before to for swear their faith and adopt a new religion many of those attending a synagogue in secret at the risk of their life and use the colliderate texts as a form of renouncing the vowels imposed upon them as the Inquisition which is interesting so somehow in the beginning of the 16th century it hasn't Germany composed a stirring tune which expresses fear and passion and plead and hope for ultimate deliverance and this is the minig which came which the ashkenazim took from the swardim who would say would say call nidre and that was and that's interesting what's going on behind call ninja but when my son um we're not going to go more into this there's people that shout out to that has something to do with Beethoven uh maybe there was even a bait um whatever but I'm not I'm a friend of mine knocking Butler sent me once an article about it for the experts in Beethoven and whatever I'm not going into but I'm just throwing it out there um because I see the little shyness in the post gonna talk about with the okay La Mesa um that is some of the some a side points relating to this minute okay let's get more into the to the meat and potatoes over here as they say um we have that the shibale aleket who brings down a whole piece which is Italian so to speak that's as important for us basically he brings down from The Taste it's really the whole handle right in the Sugi over here his brother himself and they're they're dealing with with this Rabino time that we spoke about beforehand they say they're not interested they don't like this thing that he's changing the nursery and we don't just stamp change the magazine um so why do we say this to Fila so so again they're aware of all the issues that it's our peace it's not really anything salamisa the shibali lekka brings over here in the kitchen that it's just because normally chuva helps for everything but true but but if you made a net there and you know about it then then chuva does not help and that's what it is you may maybe you're after another if it's sadaka and stuff like that so just to remind us about this that's why we're saying this feeling but it's Avada not being Mater Nether and and would have any bearings in the thing it's very good eye to read these few pages in The shibal elected the rid and his brother what they talk about in the studio now interestingly enough they bring up in this in this piece they talk about that some people in Italy you see how far a minute went going and talk about not even while even making it and then somehow became some equable that people handle if you should make a bracha and and they actually did Professor shark Evenson found that people made a bracha um um the people made a bracha in Italy they seems some people were against it against it does over here says against it but in various things they did okay so so what's interesting is what's what's happening it's not it's now it's this reason that let's say I just said from this well I like it it came with a bracha something like that that if you want to know the nursery um if I have one in front of me I don't have the exact no stuff but I'm pretty sure that's something like that but yes if angle already in the Durham death known test talks about it and interestingly enough is that we have one of these pieces that came from the kayakingiza um from uh so fastening it's an old it's his own story but over there we're talking about anti-againic piece um anti called it says that they would even make a bracha not only were they anti them doing the whole thing but they went so far with going with this call midre that they actually made a bracha anyway but as I said that's not um that is that is its own discussion okay fine say there's a this is again um we still need more clarification in this um in culinary what's going on in culinary So La Mesa we I already pointed out a little bit that it's it's Mama it's very mysterious and when we learn and I pointed out which I said this played a lot of um for Rabino Tom McCloud is there's a it's a mishna because the gemara there's a mishna which is very sure and we know we spoke about this a little bit in this year means it's really in the mishna you just have to know how to figure it out the villagan was able to figure out how it's in the mission I'm also able to do this what does it say that it says so we see that in Rosh Hashanah they did such a thing so it's often a gemara so but but but for some reason the mishnah is vague about it then but then there's a key line right afterwards the gemara talks about sort of una said okay um Let's do let's let everyone know about this they should do this says rava trying to come a silently stomach you want to let everyone know about this there's a reason why the mishnah said it very cryptically and and in the kasuri mexa type of thing not to get not to let the secret get out and you want to go be Matthias from the secret so now this is a very big problem so me what so first of all we're seeing already is in the gemara it's a secret and and there's a handle right in the gemara how should we let it out because what's going to happen if we're telling people you're gonna make another the whole year but you don't have to worry about it because because like so all my promises are worthless before it even starts it's it's frightening so it's a very sure thing now we spoke about that um similarly that somehow this relates to asugya which is why Mr darm wasn't learned because there was a skier of of being that's going to cause a zizzle in in nadarim and people are going to think you it means nothing and and when they got him they didn't learn it so they wiped it out of learning now you have to understand when he's discussing the origins of different suggests we find that it's shredded it shrouded a mystery and it was at the various times they held not to make it public such as it's known the sugy of hashan Arab Hashanah Rabbi you look in the paiskin the mainstream sources you will not find the reasons that we have to come to Kabbalah and there's a discussion about it speaks about it why is it that it's hidden from similarly to Rosh Hashanah Rosh Hashanah the sukum don't talk about the Rosh Hashanah we only know this from later on from the from the times of gemara but why is it not why isn't that openly like this this is another there's a mystery behind it so Shiloh is but you can embellishment because of this what's happening how do we even understand this now lamisum it's clear is that we're very in the dark about these goofers as much as we know today because of all the major discoveries and everything we're in the dark Lamesa interestingly enough the fascinating safer Marina from her Brazilian which certain people were very against notably the morale but many good Island were used the work over here the my Hatter to use the work is and any calls them around this he sends me to this piece he quotes that he argues on a certain part of it and he asked the following question he wants to know in general we find certain times he's not supposed to tell amaratus you're not supposed to tell people about it but we find it's written how do how let me say someone learns badly if someone today goes to the field and massage he's going to learn the cat's gonna the Secret's gonna be out so what we find hazal even though um it's a Jesus as a secret but it gets out so how does one deal with this and and the rosary and Adam talks about this in a safer trying to come up with something he says the fear was to give it an open Dr Russia but if it's because that they weren't so nervous I guess that was in those days when the times and they didn't they didn't not necessarily everyone was literally but eventually today if everyone goes to death where is the amarus who's not amarus how does one even understand it interestingly enough over there he quotes the mafarish of undergamara nadaram so he also was aware of of the of debate of the the that the Rashi in the dharam is not Rashi but the point is what what but he says if you open up the tour the rambam they have a gansel has nadaram what what how does one work this out so it seems that to give it publicly it might be a problem so then how am I giving a share so I'm not going to share publicly it happens to be it might be recorded I have no idea but I'm just talking to one person so I'm I'm off the hook ER he struggles with this he could see in his in his in his work on the dharam also because like this Kamar if you're taking this Kamara in the um literally we're stuck but on the other hand we have guns nadaram out there we have a whole it's not only about being Mata nedder this this interesting thing that you're doing so it's a it's a very tough question and um and obviously another issue is going to be is the printing changes all this once the print this is all talking about the manuscript time or even in the times the gamara wasn't even published he had written but once it gets written you see the they're handling this question and it really requires a good answer because it's not only over here now in in short just to mention briefly the following so number one is some people say call Ninja really started from amaratum and um and and that's some if you look carefully in the different quotes of all the girls that we have today that's really what was going on and that's why the government were very Stark against it and they and they've basically were the fear was they really took this and then and then people and then pack of people came to missiles with it so they had to stop it there was no other way to stop it so they have to come down hard and so it's so hard that they basically abolished a masakta from being learned in the in the in the in the Savior but obviously it needs more even about what was going on there briefly we mentioned that um Levine when he put out his lights to guide him he deals with the whole thing why they didn't learn God why they didn't learn in the time The Guiding they learned didn't learn the sections to darm so it seems it's it's linked to all this which is at a certain point in time which also requires even exactly when is that it came along karayim and there was a very big battle the the unim had to deal Caroline different aspects of the tire they didn't like they felt it was very they took everything literal and one of the things that very much bothered them for we have a documentation of this even is they couldn't wrap their brains around such a thing had to be matter in there so he says that that is what's behind the the the why they didn't learn it because they didn't want to openly let it out so to speak um that is such a Hatter and also because they were getting heavy opposition about it so being said so basically so that the Quran wouldn't have the Karim or attacking the Eden so they have one less thing to attack but not that they were about not that um being mastered nether doesn't exist we have alcohol that exists just they're not to have it so openly they didn't learn this is like a very extreme reaction to it okay is that that's what so Obama Levine talks about about just to clarify when you say they didn't learn it you mean they didn't like erase it from their actual learning he met learning it publicly and teaching it is that what you mean yeah yeah no that sounds yeah sorry to very good for clarifying that it means is that in the curriculum they learned all many masectas we see for a whole kufa and totally we spoke about this in by opening of certain residing they start learning it again but there was a it was a it was it was missing for a few hundred years which is very strange but that's how the battle with its with the with the karate was so great now interestingly enough my good friend rebelio green swag has a safer on homish and in the safer he has a piece which was originally printed in yushenu which is called The Heights duken that we find many different Min hagim goofa the reaction was to be against atsukum one thing he rather points out I mentioned there was a whole deal that some people made a bracha about it was goofa to show that there's a tarish about pet they made Abraham being matar he says goofa to go against that that's what he points out um um in his work and I could send that to peace where he shows many different Mitzvahs really the story behind it has to do with this polemic between the karayim and regular Jews now um I just just uh and there's a lot of sources to this and this relates to um different aspects about it but just to quote one marimakum about it and then we'll move on to another which is the ragatcham interestingly enough um especially in recent years where being said you could have more and more materials the ragajoba who was prolific in his lifetime he wrote a crazy amount and there's a fellow in um Modine Elite that he's obsessed with the rageover I call him a ragic of a junkies put out five massive volumes of material a lot of it's brand new now some of the material is which is the same which is a which is azaris which is has the tariagmits is how he counted the diagnosis so the the Zara Kia from the tajbits roadharis is a Hebrew of on the hazarus comes along the ruggage of and he writes Iris on both these people fine um so the Zahara about being maternado about the sugiyo being matanada says the ragatchover what's the reason why we do it so the pumbay on um we're doing he says against be against the the stukem and the which means the he's referring to the Quran this is what the how the Raga Trump says and that's why we're doing the good for the cognitrate Villa is to show we're not we say a different way of the battle means to say the the way that um which is similar to what I'm saying where green swag is saying over with the bracha we say some at some in the hell not to say it because because attack us but at a certain point in time it's the show is no we are not going we're not giving in to them and we're fighting it interestingly enough the rage hover um um there's just a cute line over here is the rage cover in his first Tara is very against these people but it's not clear who the ramam is referring to some people say he is referring to representing and according to this um tajbits it would sound like that was that's one of the people that the Rama might be referring to says the rageover no it's supposed to say such a thing on this he was a great person so when I saw the these in this however they take out some lines they censor out three words earlier edition of these artists they do have it but what the point is I was wondering what's going on the rasm is defending um and he's the answer is very simple ragged over is like to argue on we're showing him this is just in the middle of a boring cheer just to throw out a joke so the ragatrover basically had a problem he really would love to argue on a recent but over here so he does he's a house he defends Aviation by arguing on a different region so he was still able to be able to go to shitas arguing on some region anyway bottom line is that this is relating to polemic okay fine and there's obviously a lot to to sharpen and talk about it more maybe in different in different times you could come back to it however um the title of the sheer that we gave is called nidre and being maternado and we're trying to look for it we have this gemara right we keep on coming back to this Commander dharm which clearly says that they're doing something on Rosh Hashanah um this gimbal is cryptogram so one Shayla is but the gemara says Rosh Hashanah we keep on saying it says Rosh Hashanah we're handling young Kippur called New Jersey and Kipper what's going on so rabbenu Tam and safe out Yasha already handles and he says that what that we find times that when cesian Kipper Rosh Hashanah really means Yom Kippur he points this out he says this and he had and he says really it was originally supposed to be you know shashana we switched at the Yom Kippur because of um it's Bittle there's bitter malacha so maybe it's more time on Russia um the original takana was to of especially verbena time which is to talk about being Mata nether of the nadarm of the future was on Rosh Hashanah it was switched to Yom Kippur or when it says Rosh Hashanah you gotta know that Rosh Hashanah sometimes means Yom Kippur and there are other such places this wrapping the time already points out comes along as we keep on always saying we like to say is that there's such a thing called the kirognizo all these different discoveries and bottom line is there's a piece in a in it's published in a few different places just due to lack of time we're not going to get into by recus of what the macarus are but these are basically um how uh uh pieces that come out preserving makairus of xiaomi um type stuff and in there we find this interesting Passage the passages it says that um it says as follows it says so what's going on over here you see this is an ancient Makar which is discovered in the Cairo in the kyrgniza again it's a whole fascinating story behind these this piece but basically see the taka in erit Israel there was a meaning to be Master neither like the possible this badly that they did it on Rosh Hashanah just on Shabbos is it was under issue and that's also that's a that's a sugar ground so but at them they did they were matter nedder and there's Israel they did it on Shabbos sorry on Rosh Hashanah like the gamara just on Shabbos they didn't do it so here we have Professor Tosh my ready points and all the people that talk about this piece this is the earliest source of them actually doing it this predates you know this is managed in the beginning of time also now we're not going to get into all the arikas about it but there's a fellow Maisha David har who has an excellent article pages and pages about it where he talks about trying to figure out the exact breakdown of what happened incredible macarus he has on the whole city of kalnidre and the whole development and the guy named everything that he deals with with his peace however but what's significant over here is is that if you don't go like so here we see that Rabino Tam had a problem he says what we're doing I I have my gamara nadaram abase to do it on Rosh Hashanah what's going on says Museum Kipper from this piece we see it's literally Rosh Hashanah now we get to the question that we began one of the questions that we wanted to know is where does this happen that we're saying we're saying the answer is where's the MacArthur this turns out it's a schla contrary to what many people don't realize is many people think the schlot is a Hebrew kabbalistic Hebrew now trust me the hriday has plenty Kabbalah way above my pay grade however the shla was also a tremendous Shiva in Frankfurt and the scriber is Molly the goddess and other pies can bring down tons of from the Hebrew over here in vasectus Yuma as he calls it he brings down state and then he brings down the discussion of Carl new Dre but he says what's the minigs Israel because as we know he made Aliyah we have letters of him just talking about them and different things he learned as Israel they do honorable they do the they are maternity so that's fascinating that's cavaldo that we say they're doing so here we have the shla who's a talmud of the mashallah Shani who's the talmud of the Marshal who's known to go with apiligo Mars pashup is when do you do it Rosh Hashanah or if you don't have time to do whatever Russia that was Dominican inertia is saying in his time that's what they did and if you look what's fascinating is he doesn't and he doesn't have kolnidre there's no discussion of kolne in the shloff for Yom Kippur this is when they did it if he didn't have time some people didn't understand now how does this mini so basically is the meaning of atars nadarm that people do some people that don't have time they're doing it when do they do it on um they do it serious is one minute today and then color like the shla and if you learn the gemara properly it's one minute just want to do it do you do it Rosh Hashanah do you do Rosh Hashanah at night like we have this say from my sim or do we do it anyam Kippur which is what they're called what we have the um has learned the gemara and which is the meaning of many of kalists so we're really it became two men hug him it became one minute spread out and got to to become two men hug them okay so here we have the early origin and how does the why does the meaning of haters nadaram get so popular very simple there's a Hebrew called charity which one day it's worthy will maybe we'll devote to discuss the the significance and the popularity of this keeper this Hebrew is a Hebert Philo and has many different fields that we say one of The Thrillers that it has is Rosh Hashanah is the keyboard is the Fila of being matar nether this was printed over 100 times and and it helped um once the dorm game published it went in there and it's all and you'll find it all over the place and so the one minute which either you do or Notre became two separate men hug him that people don't realize there's all really one minute okay okay so this is some of the aspects behind the early margins now just to move on um and this gets us to the world of Kabbalah when we fast forward we have let's say hi Adam brings down saying both the skies and he talks about he brings the whole he brings a Hebrew that he made um he also quotes nakulus from the which will help us understand how this minute because how different aspects of this minig became more widespread because up to now we don't have any indication from the base for anyone the schla they don't bring in anything about Kabbalah what does Kabbalah say about this minig of conidre or being maternado does it say anything now just before we we go on to that is that the old which is also by the he has is a thriller he has some type of thing that um it seems there was some issue the government probably had some problems with the field of kolnidre which will be able to understand later on okay anyway bottom line is just to to say this very very briefly is the all of a sudden up till now we've discussed in episode one and now we didn't hear anything about Kabbalah is there anywhere in the cabal that talks about it the answer is there's a few zoyers so it's a safer called which was before the magana Ram's time and he was Malacca many different places where the zayar has something relating to shohana and he brings it down once once or twice the magnavaram uses it and this Heber is the Makar for different zyars and stuff like that anyway he brings down that there's two passages in the desire they relate to kaluji the problem is so first of all we're not going to get into this but Rebecca vemden in his in his fascinating work with Pakistan and someone earlier um Ben diary of the ramami piano Arya in hisarus against the base he also talks about don't bring they say both of them they're not interested don't talk about the zayar for the Dre it's a late piece it's it's it was stuck in there later on okay maisa what does he bring down for this for the source for call Nidra desire so we have the ish Sahar and the base David you're jumping right to 1740 but don't we know that the basicism a couple the base of brings Kabbalah the magnavram is famous to bring Kabbalah and hundreds of many numerous numerous pieces of Zaya he brings Allah why does he bring that in here the shla why doesn't he bring in dear furthermore we mentioned that the ramban is anti-syncology Ram Palace of Grace and macabo and there's others for it after ramban who use desire why do any of them bring it down and attack a very Shiloh why is that why is that the case I don't have a good answer for this but this and because we could have had is that the basically we asked the question pretty much if they say if all of a sudden is says the reverse and and he knows about the minutes bar not to say it not to say it the Russians we say it what happened is it because of zyrena it's unclear why isn't he just say it the possessive does bring Zaya although not as much as people think he brings it very little but he should say it over here anyway we it seems is the world of that reason that result does bring the culinary style um and this relates to the whole story of why we're wearing a Talus According to some although there's macario's way before Kabbalah to wear the talus but Talus the safer Tyra everyone says the safe attire everyone goes around with the safer tires in many shoes all this comes from Ariza but before I weasel you can't find this and this um is a question that we feel Goldberg also spent a lot of time trying to go through many dozens as far I'm about to so he was not able to find how this works out where this is coming from but we see clearly something happens when it clashes with the world not clashes the world of Kabbalah the Ariza brings in different aspects of this meaning and it goes on and on and on we're not going to trace all the different aspects of this but there are different makaris in in halacha that come from Kabbalah and this is one of them tremendous he's he's he he handles all the different assets College I said what are we doing it doesn't make sense he he and he says Allah in one of his little shynesses it doesn't help anything so he says behind it it's because of Kabbalah he says he he shall Sue in many magazine also brings this now there's a there's a piece in the takuna desire that they say over some people say it before Colonial during kalnidre and and somehow the people that are extras in Kabbalah could understand from saying these pieces um what is behind the actual meaning of saying konadre in the world of Kabbalah just one other but this is talks about that he got he opened up this this he took out the secretary he opened up the Hegel and he felt Mama that and the whole the whole base marriage was lit this is a archaima college writing this in a letter in the 1740s also a great macabo so it's not fair that he's saying um such a thing so we see that world of Kabbalah somehow um um takes this to a whole new level and and certain aspects people say that in when when you're when we're saying this um we're saying this Fila also colleges some people say before some people say it Afters so we see Kabbalah gave a whole new dimension to this minute which don't mention at all and it's part of the Mist again Vita part of the mystery of this thing okay I I just would like to um because we're running out of time over here so I'm just going to briefly mention three historical points over here and that will be our conclusion and this is files like this not only do Karen give a problem with Colony Dre and the and it seems the the item were passively because of the karate more possibly because of the sugary of how it relates what are you doing with Colony Dre but time and time again they will cause problems and we'll start backwards in 1844 around that time the reform movement was making different changes in the sitter so they wanted to abolish one of the things they attacked was called which was published which had numerous numerous responses against them two of them two of the khiburon Terrace can be found on Hebrew Books the third one was published from manuscript and the February I've quoted a bunch of times from the destler family hair manuscript so they um have dozens of choices leave it in so we see that konijay always gave a run for the money as they say if you see um interestingly enough if you look in the yard show from the shalom simulator he he says alotion and that's what he's referring to he says something to the effect um as Russian is when he's talking about Carl nudre he says that there's a true verse from that were written to the reverse Larin that they want basically they want to be Pirates get there and abolish it and the Dylan 60-something rochuvres and amongst the truvis is why you have to keep in college here okay now this grader goes in very well with what we said in season one that there's a whole in episode one of collegi which was that it's a with the Ramadan it's a marriage like a minute and that's it we don't shepherd with fine interestingly enough it seems to Champion at least one time abolished the meaning of Saint it's a discussion what's going on behind it there's an article that is from what what happened why he did it and what's the story behind there going backwards that's 1844. in the year um in the year uh what the year was it in 1615 a book came out which is a Yiddish from a Jew Zalman SV of heisen where from hanau he published a book which is the defense of Yiddish kite to various people and in there we see him defending against the goaim of the time kolnujre was one of the things I defended and he talks about it recently this book was translated into English by Professor Morris farishti okay going further back in general had a field day and Christians also had a field day with the thrill of culinary and Yakov Deutsch in his in his Incredible Book where he documents all these types of things called Judaism and Christian eyes he documents that it's known that they used to write well at least dozens of books have been written about the men hug him of the Jews one of them in hagam of Yom Kippur was a big day for them that they made fun of all different things one minute that they spoke about um which can't which you find in at least 20 of the works was like what are we doing so the truth is you go back a little further and in 1240 it was a famous the trial of the talmud of Paris which ended up because of this the talmud was burnt and you have to understand there's a period of time manuscripts hard every gamer that was written from a publisher and you have it saved in your computer and you could save it here this is destroyed and from this tremendous output and it's kadai to discuss this by Ricos but with human Paris was was the person behind um he was the one that they debated with him the Christians passed away some of them it's a whole different it's a whole discussion its own right in the book there's a book called The Trial of the talmud Paris 1240 which has the rubikumi Paris in English but we see that again one of the things that was attacked was nadaram the game claimed that the Jews basically are saying that any promise that they may toss they're being martyred that's what they do in kolnadre which is really the story of what's going on in the Yiddish book and what Yakov Fletch is bringing down from these Muslim they're claiming is that whatever we say is worthless whenever we promise is worthless and says his thing has for Shalom we're not talking about our promises to you then at the rabba we know the promise is very important and the only way a promise could be abolished is if you ever if you have it with the whole whatever we learned in anyway so we see that history um it was attacked many different times All Of Mice after everything said and done today in Cloud Israel it seems that everyone does see it to conclude with one last idea although we have to we're cutting out lots of stuff as we go along but this is life in the last idea is as follows that there was a Heber not only did people after college a lot of times they gave rashes it says who he was born on Yom Kippur and he gave rushes every Kippur night for over 30 years was published from manuscript in 1988. it's a fascinating um way to see life in those days he talks in every in many addresses he would talk about some aspects of Yom Kippur some aspects of the villa kolnidre and you could get a glimpse of Life in what he was talking about what he's giving mustard to anyway this is another thing that that the police can bring down the matter if I'm also that there was a meaning and today I also have it they give it to Russia because why it says the sult this is the time when people are murdered in the mood of the of the there it's the best time to inspire them anyway these are just some of the small Psalms um everything obviously hopefully one day I hope to publish it more by Rico's and document it and they say footnoted whatever but these are some of the ideas we're way over our time so we'll stop with this thank you very much Rabbi Dr Eleazar for all those who are still listening Rabbi Dr brat as he mentioned hopes to document this and if you have any other questions or interest in any topics may be able to crawl down a rabbit hole and dig up information on please be in touch with him eliasabrut gmail.com and uh well I Brooke we hope to see you again in the near future on some other topics foreign take care and have a wonderful day