Names: Sources in Chazal and the World of R’ Chaim

Welcome back, Rabbi Dr. Alzer Brat. We are back for another episode on the gift that keeps on giving. And this is part three of the I say that um jokingly, but the amount of feedback we get from people is is tremendous. Just got another message yesterday from a listener how much he enjoys the content. Can't wait till they come out next. And again, we thank our anonymous sponsor who's sponsored all the episodes. In memory of [snorts] Ben have an aliyah. Today we're going to be discussing names. It's under the category or subject. Then I'm sure will explain how and why but we all know we've all heard stories about people who have gone into Kany and he says that name no change it whether it's a Tanakh related issue or something deeper than that but Kany was known for having opinions um about what names are appropriate what names are not appropriate and Rabbi brought will enlighten us about some of that. So without further ado, Rabbi Dr. Leazar Brat. >> Okay. So basically [clears throat] in the past two episodes we've been talking about Kyki's two wonderful ones and in the course of the especially in the last episode I mentioned something which is pretty much a I was paying back a of mine throughout the episodes that I keep on mentioning Kanye has this vast knowledge of madrashim of unique madrasim. So I mapped out showing how he used this vast knowledge in these swaram a lot. Also, I also traced different interesting midrussian that Raan Keski seemed to have had and who published some of them and today we're going to recap and go a little bit into that as introduction for a few minutes and the re and the importance of this will be very obvious shortly to understand greater what used this data in his works in Kush and elsewhere is for the stoa of names. Okay. So one of the uniques besides the standard mrashim and foreski standard meant uh a lot more than most people's even know are aware of. We spoke about for example the safar yasher mysteriously appears on the scene in the early printing press time in the early um 1500s somewhere and mysteriously till today a lot has been discussed about it and the basic question that I discussed last week was last time was could you rely on it so I I mentioned that lisa at the end of the day a lot of people use it um great giants um just to throw out there or the radal uses it and zakari's turnar's turn for example I I mentioned then he has a list where he shows that a lot of he collects showing different parallels or other different types of things so he does not take a stance against it that that's the key um point so they publish's notes on this a bunch of years ago okay so at the time I mentioned so I I already spoke out uh numerous times. I'm very fond of Rabba Ramen Agra and I am working on uh putting out various writings of his that were never published and some that were published all about him. So one of his works was that we spoke about was Rav Palm which he collects tons of quotations from of lost of that today we don't have. So what does he say about the Yasha? So for example in page on page 67 in the standard edition he says he says it's early. He says it's p but he goes so he wants to say that it might even be written from the times it might go back from the dham midbar um he brings all different types of other quotes about it and he's he definitely is very familiar with the work and he throughout his work he brings the safasher also now he was a tremendous expert in madrashim as evident from this work ram and he does not call it he doesn't question it so much but again Um later on it seems in especially in recent years more people are more people do question I'll just throw out there Kaplan for example in his living Torah to say there also brings the safasher as a source um there's a a yaki work to so he also brings the safasher it's a work about a lot and and eventually he goes I might have quoted this last time he goes to check he says I'm going to check I quote so much and I'm going to check into to see if it's authentic and he comes to the conclusion it's authentic Now what's the point not only the safar yash what what's the point over here is so in the in the in the ofayen because the ram was not printed in the lifetime of of bengra it's published much later so gives a beautiful and he says these um pieces of of kazal are unbelievably helpful to help understand all different types of things in the introduction to the actual work of ramen says this why is he collecting all these pieces what's the importance of knowing all these madrashim so he himself sort of throws out there one of the reasons is it could help it helps understand certain passages in the garra that we don't have the whole story and all of a sudden you have another medish that adds another clue to the story or another part of the story so to speak and other times he says it helps us with demon so these two things when you start looking through carefully's work on time you'll see his usage of the madrash But for example, again and again he uses now I the concept of using all these types of madrash not necessarily but we could trace it to gr was also seemed to be in it involved with it rag brings some discussions he had with his father one we've discussed in the past about chevas what they were he had a discussion with his father about to say for a zeal the point but the bottom line is the point I'm trying to make is that these madrasim served a purpose And why the bakl were even using them was because it helps for for a for denim and b for piecing together stories. Ram he wrote on the side of his gar and um in recent years the published it in volume four or five something like that and you could see there also how he uses all these types of madrashim and makayim to explain different things in the gumar. Okay. So in in momentarily we're going to this is the introduction. This is sort of a recap to tighten what we concluded with in the last episode. Now is a ram just to give one very brief example. So in parish he talks about um and um if you look in your handy raan that you have near you'll see um we know when you learn parishlah there was a whole story the whole famous and what shim and levy end up doing and yakov's reaction about it but if you look in Madrashim and most notably it's called there's an extensive medish with about a massive battle that takes place over here pages a few pages of it and says the Ramb [clears throat] if you believe the story that's there and then he he mentions briefly what it says over there and now all this could be found in our so this goes back with what I was saying um last time also that the safer yashar gives a lot of the backstory to safer bacius especially um I also mentioned that kids could use it to impress their or to stump to to stump their all different data that they could pull out from the safer assuming it's true now why um and one and one last maramakum um and then we'll get into the main point here um every year a shall pa come out galora so this year one of the that came out was um from now he's famous for writing on multiple multiple very prolific writer what they discovered in manuscript was he collected something called yalud gullis vitas so he collected from a vast amount of materials a madrashim to discuss what is um the story of of um mitim and it's appropriate for leed to discuss So again he also there's also this uses the searasher as his source. So the point is that this was used. Now number two we spoke about um another unique medish that used which is found in many many madrashim is from kasher called so obviously the tishma really needs its own series of episodes but the point is he collected from a vast amount of madrashim and used it. Oh, of course it's cute. In one place, um you'll find what is someone asks, "How could you use the safer?" Um now, why wouldn't Keski be allowed to use the safer? Because um what's well known is is that the Tyrish Kasher had ties with um what we call it. So, one of the kinesi answers I'm only bring him. Well, that's one um letter, but wrote a lot and spoke a lot over the many many years. So, a few years ago, they put out a whole volume devoted to Kasher and the family got from one of the Ha people in Raki's Talmid who wrote a whole thing how always loved the cafer and he used it a lot. So it gives you a different tone of what it was. But the point is he's using this vast data from such a safe another we spoke not but we spoke um about is um which he was the he put out madrashim which uses a ton and we spoke about his notes about it. So this interestingly enough kasher was very weary of the Israel of and and actually wrote an attack on it early on. Now one other person which we mentioned already a few times and we spoke about him last time is Abber is he good for the Jews bad for the Jews so to speak and I spoke all about this so I wanted to just mention is that I came across recently is the nativ one of the madrashim that bubber put out was the immediately afterwards the the nativ is already using it in his perushim onshious now what's interesting is it comes out after the nativ publishes his hikavar literally a year later but he incorporates it already in the in the were printed by mayor Barilan. So you could now if you open up a standard the new hey mcdaw you wouldn't be able to know this but if you um but they basically incorporated all the mayor lan that was on the sides of the natives. So the point is he's also using this and we mentioned already many others. Okay. Now bottom line is all these madrashian including the especially the yasher story. Why is this so important? So at first you'll say and how could he use these madrashim maybe they're problematic. So the is um um we know really goes with this on some level that there's a concept called kabis. Whoever says it, you go, we listen to him. Two um two letters have come up on auction in recent years after material about using shipman's material. He was asked could you use it and he said yeah you could. So this is obviously a greater story which we're not going to go into all that much. We'll mention a drop about it soon as we'll see how it plays out with themes. So the point is okay great you want to know could you rely on it or not. So it sound let's say they sayasher or these things found in madrashim all these problematic madrashim which we don't know where they are. Okay but does ever use it for or I guess and we'll see if this really called but does he ever use it for something like that? Now there's also an issue that we spoke about many times as a famous thing one has to be concerned about forgeries um and that and and things that people say in names of madashim that are not. So you have to be very careful. So now okay. So we'll get back to that. Now when one learns the time of the and the one sees that has a fascination with names and I will give many examples in a few minutes. Not only that he becomes legendary for an address for all types of questions about names. Is this a good name? Is this a bad name? and multiple questions that come up. So the question is where did he get where did he pull his data from? So it's clear from the time as I'm going I'm going to show a bunch of examples and from various lists that were published of from his with him going over it. It was published based on his knowledge of obviously and including he uses the yasher. Now one safer just to mention it's quoted is called um sheareds. So this safer already came out in more than one edition in his lifetime and it has it has from um Rier who wrote all this farki he wants to print all the letters that he got from the different about sheim and nashim what names you should use and um all different types of questions and he put it together in order and I'm giving him a brah about it basically but he says I'm scared to rely Okay. Now, obviously he might have said that, but basically as we've discussed already in the past a few different episodes about became and today also it's it's it's considered the names. Now doesn't mean it's like a obviously not and we'll see where some of these things are are coming from some of the conversations about it right now. Now also in the which we spoke about in the last episode also the point was he's trying to mgala times in or where the name is not open through his usage of these vast madrasha. Now everyone knows when one has a child it could cause lots of stress lots of problems showing bias not necessarily showing bias with one's wife it could cause uh grandparents get involved or great whatever and what name and how to say the name is a good name is it a bad name um two names after two people all different types of questions come up and is also the famous uh um thing of let's say which plays out a lot of times but it plays out also in um in sometimes in these names also Now so like everything else and I am actually not going to list out all the books about it but there's a multiple volumes written all about names and it's interesting when the history the history of names we actually spoke about in a in a in a different type of context which was in the g in the gan sharum we spoke about there are many written about names of because you have to write the correct name for a get so there's all vast types of literature about that and we spoke about some of the important ones and what where the data that they got Um so that actually plays a role also in understanding names but we're not going we're not going to go fully into all different aspects just going to discuss certain aspects literature. Now one of the swarm that that was published um way back small countress um and it it's called Israel the author's name was Yenheimer and he gets from different people amongst them. So he says, "I I see your and he says and you show and he says Um, beautiful. This comes out in the 70s. So obviously this is a small little book uh of beautiful materials, beautiful sources. It's only 44 pages. But of course you can only imagine that as time goes on the the works on names are getting bigger and bigger especially because of all the data uh the databases of books and etc etc. But this is just one such um shafer and it's important to see this as what Raisha is bringing out. Now, so we get to Kyfki and names. So the the first conversation is about I I already said it so I'll just go through it very briefly. So you start learning timera and early on um in parishes already he has a few pieces relating to names. So he says over there in the pik talks about She's the daughter of okay and she is the wife of this is rashi and kineski says the makar rashi is the medish rabba over here now and as I already mentioned in the past a lot of times will just throw you a bonus oh rashi where's the makar is medish for him it was nothing now says like this comes out according to this the shame of the father of and his father-in-law were the same because they were both now everyone knows of one of them is that the shame of the can um or the cannot be the statement. So what's going on over here now? So obviously we're not talking is that we're not going to go into all the and the numerous things about others and then what about and all that. Okay, this is the point is just trying to take as a springboard to discuss it and then he what he does is he brings a bunch he deals with three four of the passages of names and he shows problematic gar that are not like this. Okay. Now is not the first that was mayor of this many many people were and there are numerous works on which we're not going to list out most notably is margles in he published a work where he go where he collects tons of data on the and heal bringing tons of about it but today the martial one person put out like a 7 800 page work on it a few years back now and we'll get back to margles in one second um but here he actually quotes remove from our goals by name. So I've quoted some of these things in the past, but I recently came across a full quote about it. It seems that someone asked him should they quote him when they were putting out this work and he said the one of the editors and he said of course he should and then he quotes here one of the closest people to Rahim Kyki is a yidra garitz. So he says that Tanya met him in the cifyat Rambam in Tel a Viv and he will lend him and he says that Khaz was very impressed by him and he said um that Ruven himself doesn't know how great he is. This is what he brings down over here and um they made a joke actually one of the farmer that Mago put out was about Malim all the data that he collected from everywhere about Malim. So someone so one of the jokes was he didn't put out with the the the pictures of the malos he collected so much about him. Okay. And it seems laughed or he's about to laugh or something like that. Bottom line is that quotes him over here. I'm referring to his work on it now. And he brings down the Yehuda asks also from various that the is against various we'll get back to in a moment. Now this is a fascinating thing because this is you have to understand what I'm about to say. This is coming from Raki Bashan and this is a I would call them more literature approach but this is what they say like all the garus that I just threw out there says a bunch to have questions on that they're against he says this is what said not only that some of them for a mitzvah to marry which is against however he saw with his great they will not be successful. So that so this is those that went against were not and then he says were powerful powerful things. So here we have which is very very fascinating because normally we don't find such a concept at least this sounds if I would tell you a great such a thing you'd say yeah it makes sense but that the said such a thing is is is to my mind is mish not uh typical and obviously as I said the suga of isangus I'm only going to mention very briefly a few different things one is that again in the saferness which we devoted a whole episode more than one episode about and oral he also brings was concerned similar to what he brings here in time [snorts] some people ask what about so they bring down the disciples that even should be on it okay so quote number one is like this there's a salant brings down that he heard that not which we'll get to, says not. And then he brings down um this is Salant coming from Bish. Okay. Another maramakum about this is found in one of these works that comes out um before World War I a whole fascinating story but basically they wanted to take like a they wanted to take um figure out all different menhagen what people do. So they sent out questionnaers all over Europe and and the idea was to figure out different from hugim what people are from all different types of Jews. So one of the things they said they they wanted to know was do people observe um to see what what it was. Sadly we don't have the answer. We have all these questions which show a it gives us a glimpse a little bit of a glimpse into what was going on to various manhaga. Okay. Now lamashel in 1869 the great stern wrote in the in a massive article where he deals with the showing that it's imamish against dozens of gumar and hisra also seems to be [snorts] not like this okay obviously in general very very sensitive topic and you have to ask your rv every rv um has different approaches with this now I'm just going to mention about four Yadas about it and then we'll move on. Number one is I've quoted in the past a few times that Vital we discovered we got a manuscript of vital um of a safer of his and in there he has certain stuff from the and and others and there he talks about one of the and it's clear from the passage there that we're not for so here we see a already way back um not being Okay, is famous in his cha about this where he says we should listen to he says like this they're not but but these things people mish go crazy about and it's it's you do um I myself a lot of times people always ask you what what do you say about and this and that it's something for some reason it was tough with some people that they're very very concerned about. Rebel Flecklas in a passage also was fond of quoting over this passage of the of um in a joking manner of what his mhuda said. But interestingly enough, just one last marmakum about this is professor Simra Emanuel who has done incredible work with some uh incredible discovery of a drussia of Pes of the Rayak from Savan which has tons of hus in this. So over there it basically the research that he shows um in that book he was able to show that the raak was the tal of so what's his name his wasar so already the talman muvak was a nizer in what his rebi held okay so some people could say it depends it wasn't necessarily accepted right away it could be it was later on um it could be before he's the Talmud, but it sounds like he was a Talmud already earlier. Anyway, the point is a vast vast amount of literature about it and this is one right away you're beginning your time your sedra which I hope you're beginning or you're already in middle of and we have what says approach is a very very strong approach to be very concerned about being okay. We go further in the cafer and then we come across another passage and this passage is so the question is really his name should be looking over there. So it brings down here in which it seems might have had it and the real name was just told him not to for whatever reason he brings down over here. So number one we have another. So first we see him using a here we see that possibly no's name was something else. Okay was originally something else. Okay. Now it's interesting says we find that some tan they um are named manim and the only time we have a manim in that's mentioned is a Russia and we're going to see momentarily that to call someone after a Russia is problematic but according to this was really name so you would have what to rely on. So it's a cool again what's the data back to now obviously the story of the Russia we we're going to discuss in a second because has yet another piece which is what about calling people after the nim okay they took part in the story with kak so again you go further in your mus in your timera parishes kak he has all discussion and he says what do we find that they're [snorts] we wouldn't we wouldn't we wouldn't find their names in the in the so what does he say not all the took part in the story of okay fascinating thing because of this how far he's willing to go and obviously you have to look at the and the to see if all the nim took part or almost all took part. But this is also because of this question. Now again in time now I mentioned already then the time is not only on it also goes through so the has a massive about Russia calling someone after name of Russia and he says um based on theim in shame. So you should not. So first asking us a question. We don't find the place can bring this down. So it's cute over here. He says we don't even find that the brings this down. What does it mean? It calls this and the brings down a bunch of different huggers from all different places. people are I think there's even [cough] one safer written about it but it's own story what's going on the he brings from a vast different oh all different types of hagus and he doesn't bring it down over there we say he's like where should someone bring it down that and even he doesn't he says yeah there's a there's a that says based on so he says that everyone held it's only it's not and why is that so so over here has a whole about this and he throws out a bunch of fascinating things it seems he had a whole conversation about this letters back and forth with schleser and um they're published here the the letters are published here now one of the names that is the discussion is about yhudis is it a good name for a good for a Jewish girl to have such a name so he said so asking answers what do you mean the mice of Kaneka this is involved but it seems she's the shame of the wife of Asov and he goes through with a vast amount of different names of and how could this be and he deals with it. So he says one of the things he says um it's he thiser reminded him about that he had forgotten about that he says yeah thanks for returning my I forgot about it and um bottom line is comes to the following conclusion sir he's very against it now so what's the name of Arasha so then they start asking ask you all different names and there's a whole section in one of the shame is and this far of the names of asham they would say is this name and would say look in this p it's a rash this or look in a safe for example once again so the point is yet another question that keeps on coming up so kyfki um throws you to um using the safeash. Now part of this conversation I I mentioned earlier which relates to using these madrashim from questionable people [snorts] and then Ira also another concept. So this is this has been a debate throughout centuries. Imam one day will give a long share about this but is which is follows. If we find sometimes quotes something from a problem what we would call a problematic source from a person that's not necessarily kosher vio. So sometimes you could say very simple the gle didn't know but many times it's clear the gut didn't know. So how does he do it? So what's interesting is and Spiegel professor Spiegel in one of his deals with it coming out from the of this co quoting bringing a whole about it is if you could quote Rashe or name after Rashe so this has this it's mish has a played out in how quoting certain sources um and the various people talk about now just to mention one time this happened. This happened many times at the one time in in the early the first volume published in 1891. He quotes he's he's discussing certain things and he brings a whole long letter from Zakar in that letter quotes in his long list of Moses men in okay fast forward the gets a hold of themed writes a letter to him a few years later says how could you quote Moses Mendelson so doesn't even know what to do now the truth is had no idea who Moses Mendelson most likely was he's from. So he writes, "Look what happened. You got me in trouble over here. The marshas are going after me. How could I do?" So writes a massive chuva which and there's different there's a few different versions of this chuva. Um but point is dealing with if you could quote Mendelson and he says I meantra vikra is naali wiselle. Naftali is not is not problematic. Um and anyway anyway you're allowed to quote from sources that are not problematic because and then he goes with a whole which a lot of people deal with is there's a difference if you be if you're hearing a shar from a Russia or aus or you're reading something from an apicy assuming men is even aus you go um the is going even worst case scenario the way the galatiana felt but this is obviously a massive conversation about the different approaches of Mendelson quoting Mendelson Stern his now just to be clear Stern was not a person pro- Masculum as a matter of fact we devoted a whole episode to show the mascul attacking him and in a unpublished paper professor Yud Golinsky documents that he was very anti masculum he read all their stuff and itaka did fight it out in numerous newspaper issues um a different time I think I might have mentioned There was he was attacking this was a evil masquly attacking and dozens of newspaper issu articles and who was one of the people that fought it was so just if he quoted it he knew what he was doing and it's it's an approach that until today literally a few weeks ago without getting into it this has come up again in a battle between um two um karedi I guess for lack of a for this thing historians this has played out just to throw out their names not um Rishua Munchshine and Ra Kamki have had it out about this and recently some materials about this topic has come to light from Munchshine even though it's 10 years after he died 11 years after he died now [snorts] going further on okay names so is anything else with names in the safer yes there's plenty more and and these two pieces are um these are like legendary pieces Kanye I whenever whenever you want to just like show someone ravki's knowledge okay so he knows kakula gamar kazal big deal what else does he know so I'm very fascinated by these two pieces and there's as there's a troub that talks about if one can name someone when you learn [snorts] especially so we know there's names are all over in the so before you get to there's still there's dozens of names mentioned so let's Say someone finds a name there that they like. Could they use it? They don't even know anything about that person necessarily. They didn't learn to say the mash. They come and they write. Could I use it? Okay. So the mid actually has a chuva where he comes to the conclusion you should not use names from before. So the chuva and they handle this chis and there's a lot written about it. So they asked Kyki about it. I'm positive just always kept this in the back of his head and he collected data about it to have fun. Ganski says like this. Let's go through 33 different names found before of Ramu and I'm going to give you my to show that it was used. Now the difference over here is normally can ask you do this. He shows you his vast knowledge of I said madashim. So no here let's say so he brings you safer and then he say and then he says look of the you'll see the same safer is used look in the encyclopedia now this is printed just to be clear before in before search engines he asks he look in the chis ra okay and then mkitzer he goes through various names showing again his knowledge inimus [snorts] some of the things okay he does use for he does show that to that they that they used this name these names in one place he talks about if you look in the over there you'll see this name is being used but kiter bottom line is over here you get to see kfki in his glory in his with names of um to answer this question showing 33 cases with with vast materials about it. Okay. Now then there's another one. This is also very famous. Um this one I'm just had fun. He probably started this out when he was very young and that is as follows. Everyone knows one of the and vice versa. So the question asked is could a man could you call a and a woman with a woman's name or vice versa. Okay. says and he says and he brings down which is interesting that he brings it down but not for now says what do I think about this topic and he brings you 79 pieces of material through his vast pakus showing names of men that will given women's names and vice versa. Mindboggling from Madrasim and the [snorts] like. Yeah. He quotes Mary also and different names. One of more famous name is Sima for example. Um Tamar seems also there's certain makers. Okay. So they bring down that >> [snorts] >> um this I guess the one of the early times that this contress was published. So saw it. So maybe they were more with it. But today it sounds like you should be more. Okay. It's unclear if that's if accepted this um um or he kept on I think he did allow names of women because of all this vast of his. It sounds like from the various books on names that have all his but just to give um two other marakimus about it besides Kowski these are kim that he does not bring. So as as quoted numerous numerous times one of my great heroes is deris. So that wrote a fascinating autobiography called sedio. So over there he talks about the name of one of his children. He says as follows. He says that I named this child y Ruv Y was after Y Risen the author of the YF and pirates Yf who was someone I liked a lot and I got to know him when he was in tells and then he says Ruin what's the name Ruain Rifka fascinating that he's naming his son after his sister Rifka now interestingly enough this Rifka was very learned. Um that's a different story again to a different time. But just once talking about Taderas in his autobiography, we also see um in it seems certain people were concerned with in a whole story with Chuva um that he records over here a meaning of his and then he gives you some more data about it in an article of his published in Yagd under his a pen name of his that the that it came out that it sounds like the chuvo was concerned about and he was not necessarily or his father was not necessarily But bottom line is from this from um this kineski and this sounds like they were not so concerned that it's not a problem of of of okay there's another truafer from another great uh unbelievable baky rev lighter so lighter lighter has a tray he also has a where he also shows cases of women that with that have men names so it's clear that it's not a um it would sound like that throughout the generations they were very make about just to throw out there once we're talking about names so something that he's very fond of I I claimed way way back that this has to do with his fascination with the maybe influenced him what about an andreanist what name do you give an andreist does he get a male name a female name then he has a about it over here found in the time of the in parish key sat Now another name um which is always famous and then the people um ins probably in more recent years people are much more into it how do you say it if you pronounce both shin sins all these different things a lot of different materials about it so he has he brings down of the about that also in this time [snorts] now there are multiple other issues of names which I will mention some of them uh briefly but one thing that I found very um fascinating was he's asked about these names Cassad I don't even I I'm sure that in this they're working on the set of the chuis of of his in all different years it's going to come out like a massive like thousands of pages of of all the names he was asked not only just like these small little swarm that have come out up till now but in what's interesting is like this Um he says where does he have this kayak? You know he's asked all these questions about names. So where does he um how does he answer it? So we say how does so I'm telling you is that in a lot of these cases it's through his vast knowledge in all these madrasha. But he says in one of the people asked him he says like this I answer [snorts] say he's giving a tremendous insight that there was some type of he felt that there was some type of thing from upstairs a direct call it like a tomb type of thing and that's what you see is um accepted and in one of the versions of the safe they even write on like a fancy in the cover they indent they write to page and it's not true it's in because there was updates but anyway Fine. That's a typo. Now, um, one other discussion of names I'll mention in this episode and the rest we'll keep for the la for the last episode is as follows. Naming a child after his father. Now, it's interesting is that there's there's a lot about this also. It seems to name after fathers or people that are alive at least. So asking a different safer of his that we spoke all the way back about which is the safer on the Rambam sagd. So he wrote this incredible safer way back in his early years. Shamelik. So over there he has a whole piece about barapara. Barapara was from the bisdon of rebi says that's what the ram says. Over here the ra the has a whole field day about bak karp. All different pieces of information again from a crazy amount of yada kazal. And one of the points is it sounds like really his he was named after the same name of his father. So then he brings some other passible that they were also named after their father and he says all them okay and he says also we find certain that they were called after their names of the father um um and he brings you some about that. Okay. Anyway, so you see also way back in that safer about names and that's the conclusion for today. These are some of the aspects of names. [snorts] In the next episode, we'll just discuss very very briefly some other aspects of names and we'll conclude with what's the story with the timera some other aspects. >> Thank you Rabbi Dr. Alazar Brat. What a great episode to close out the secular year of 2025. Um it's that's when it was recorded or probably uploaded either today or the next day or two as soon as the green light to get it out. Looking forward. Thank you.