Moed Katan (II) - The fear of learning Moed Katan explored (Part 1)

[Music] welcome back rabbi dr elias abrupt part two of maya cotton as promised and last time we said that we would like to have a special presentation on learning about avelos and about misa which is what we're learning about now in my katan and i'd like to think of it this way people today like to find segulas they run around the world looking for schoolists which in a certain sense there are beautiful schools that people have and people do but on the say in the same vein people are are hesitant when they hear about doing certain things or learning certain things which may be the opposite of a school and there's this i don't call it a rumor but there are sources out there about learning or not learning healthcare surveillance and about misa so that's what we want to talk about today talk about some of the sources talk about throughout the generations did the jews learn it and maybe there were those that didn't learn it until today what are the modern day price games say about this so rabbi doctor elizabeth thank you so much for coming back on no problem okay so at some point in time many people in your lives you've heard that you stay away from learning success specifically the last part because it deals with the name of sakana misa so i'd like to trace today some of the sources for the statement and why one can indeed and should learn this at the outset i will stress that my research is still on collecting on the subject while it began many years ago is still ongoing and any sources or comments would be greatly appreciated two i've also a disclaimer i'm not a pick in any form so i'm just quoting the sources from any good item to tell part of the story you do whatever you want with the information okay basically when looking around for the sources you'll come across most quoted sources are a safer hasidim a piece from a yacht of amits some ciphers and a kresak i'm going to try to add to these sources a little bit more context and add more sources to talk about the issue in general okay in general it's interesting that there's no early source um before the safer casino which we're about to be learned which talks about or saying that he can't learn malcata in general it's strange it's straight not only that it's strange that there should be a problem it's a very relevant area of torah ask any active rav and they'll tell you how important is to know this material you have to know around the spot um okay it's even more interesting is that we find that there are certain times that a person is not allowed to learn a torah so specifically on tish above and when one la eleno is what is one allowed to learn during those periods of time and he's allowed to learn specifically my cotton and he'll save us above even though it's not related to tissue up so much now the question is why so it's just sort of ironic okay anyway there's a discussion the pisces when an oval or on tisha above when you're learning these alafais are you allowed to learn i let it write down let's say come up with if someone comes up with a kiddish when he's learning surveillance is he allowed to write it down so the actually has a beautiful piece in his in vegas shin pedal it's of dalaran where he talks about it he brings down that that people talk about if you can learn he brings from that you have to be very that one has to be very careful about it when they're learning and certainly not to write if someone comes up with a kiddish while he's learning surveillance anyway he says just opposite of course one could just like we find that it's muther to right tyre because it's [Music] goggle from this and he says learning torah it's different you're not supposed to terrorize and all these issues but when you're when you're learning so that is if someone is allowed to learn that particular topic and he has a no that's not that they say he's not doing anything wrong because that he's a ladler so then he he he comes to the conclusion it's not a problem to to um learn so to speak if one comes up with a valid while he's a novel or on tisha for that matter and one could even write it down anyway that's the side point okay what's the first source so we mentioned is the safer hasidim now what does this even exactly say it's work so it's one of these things as everyone knows when you look it up many times you look it up inside and learn the source carefully a lot of times the story turns out to be much different than the way it's said or brought down okay here is one such case see them is this this particular piece comes to us in a few we're not going to go through the exact um uh differences in the gear size of the sever hasidim there are different additions as if it's not it doesn't play such a role in this piece bottom line is as follows the safe hasidim says in simmon that is the standard edition of the safe hasidim um whereas if you're using the the makita nadam edition the which is based on the manuscript that would be cement i think it's simon alef okay it says like this there are certain mitzvos if you see a mitzvah is buzz is buzzly the people are not doing it in in your city certain areas of torah that they're not learning such as kachin or he says my cotton parrot misha meisu you shall learn it and then he says okay so at this point he seems to be saying you should daft go learn such a massage if you see in your where you live that people are not learning it it doesn't say that you shouldn't learn it okay then he says but then he brings down why do people say not to learn it he says because they say it's a sakana so therefore he says maybe you should you doctor as intense as other then he says a very interesting explanation which we'll elaborate on um later on is leficia called davis there's a power of people and if they believe that it does the damage then it does damage there's an incredible concept a lot to say about it today we will not we'll just touch on it a little bit then he says bella miso that nothing bad should happen and if you're learning as let's say you're learning it with you should learn it not so openly not so much and then it won't be then there won't be such problems that we say that we just mentioned of of that there's some type of power of of nazek and binayadam that could cause damage okay then he concludes his piece he says um you should learn it and make sure not to learn the kalos relish okay um and he says interesting lashon gamshamati that this based varm that the malacha mavis hears one of them is someone that learns my summer cover which obviously we which will play a role in massachusetts so therefore what you should do is you should be very careful when you're learning it yes so now the question is after seeing this piece what exactly is the mascara of the seife hasidim is it safe to see them pro learning it or not you see it's not so it's not so clear first of all is he saying that one should not learn it it doesn't sound like he's saying you shouldn't learn it he's he's stating a fact that in his time it seems people didn't learn it but who is those who are those people most likely and we'll see this hopefully we'll try to document this musk more clearly he's not referring to the loom and people like that they did learn it but there seemed to be some type of got people nervous he even explains why and that what happened but not that it's awesome to learn it in any form but if you're nervous about it he says it's a how you should go about learning it be careful um not because relish maybe if you're learning in a share it shouldn't be so like any other sugars okay but he's not coming out with a blanket and it's sir to learn the message okay and as a matter of fact he's saying that if you do it's a great source because the mace mitzvah so if it's a mace if he's if if one of the pieces one of the part of the pieces emphasize the mace mitzvah it would be us oscar so what would why would he be emphasizing that um and then his conclusion is yasik because anyway fine that that's the first source on the topic that people put obviously people don't really necessarily open up to say foxy them and to see all the different prophets because it's not as i'm saying it's not so passionate what is exactly his mascara okay furthermore even if it is a safe hasidim and even if the civil rights movement does say it's us sir but it's not it's interesting it's not brought in anywhere that one should not learn we have in here different halakhas different places this could come in and we don't it's not brought down so even if even if worst case scenario the safer season really held it's a problem it's not brought them to to to do to refrain from learning my condom in general okay in general it requires a lot of eun when exactly and how does the safe have seen become important [Music] they don't quote it so often so even though it's extremely important work and it existed and people had it it doesn't play such a role until only a little later on as everyone knows especially um relating to the opening that we had just now um people go crazy about it there's numerous farmers and about a dozens and dozen i'd say hundreds of troopers are written about it and people are robotic constantly asked should you be concerned shouldn't you be concerned and there's a lot to say about that but also when does that happen that it becomes such a concern in the world of halacha forget um okay now the next source is a source it's a safer called yes if i'm it's a beautiful safer who was this ahmed this person was a yaki he was on the bed with the good friend of the and um it was it was printed long after he died but he died in 1637 something like um close to 80 years after he dies is the first time the safer is printed it's a very important safer because it talks all about how um hug him with a lot of interesting macaris a lot of different sources he had and all different types of things fascinating safer more recently it was printed by a nice edition was printed by uman you could buy it in the locals farm store he has a long piece about our topic that we're discussing today and he begins uh and this is in yeah that you should not skip alice okay interesting then he says that's all they did there was a concern not to end with um something bad so they did it besides this is a topic a lot to talk about there's a yakov spiegel trick deals with the after aspect there's a fellow a rabbi gurvets in australia recently just put out a safer called where he deals a great length about this concept of being messiah with the dhara taif now interesting is the last one the last isis and deals with and tyson in the beginning of vamas deals with the connection of cotton to your vomits and in this come thing it's in this texas it deals with it says um that that once we that we start with um we we begin notion with tesla mushrooms the shiloh we're talking about death and people dying it shouldn't it shouldn't start out of a sector like this we say because we want to be cyber perennials to perennials you say my cotton was dealing with available piranhas so we will hatch it which is very interesting because we know that in daffy me we're going to be starting soon what's going on over here so we see that at one point and at least according somersetim had that my cutting was then from the sector that's the shot but we see it like this this nakuda is that we're what the yes if i'm just pointing out it's not a terrible at least at this part of the piece it's only because of the messiah type so what did his rabbin do they used to end off the sheer with another type but it sounds like they learned it it sounds like shalom do ayla and janam karabakh okay now another point is that this safer um let's say for yays if i missed there was a fellow a contemporary of the isofinance his name was and until very recently his harass on the safe yes if i miss was in manuscript it was known um there was a fellow hits of zimmer recently wrote about it and i wrote about these hagues but it was never available in this new addition they put in these arrests throughout safer also tons of fascinating material so this is this piece he says that there's a magic um that's that if you don't finish with a dovetail it's gonna start doing different things it's similar to this famous um um [Music] malach that we that's brought down actually in allah if you don't close the safer um you're going to forget what you learned okay anyway fine then the yosef it's going back to this the ace of fighters goes further in the piece and he says he saw people what they did big people that when they learned hulu and yeshiva they were they had a they had a glazer a titus beforehand why sure it shouldn't be mccatrick on the tamil coming when you're doing so what happens is people are showed it on themselves so to be catching the actions have consequences and he says my father when he used to give sheer on the riff and on the riff on yavamis and he says he thinks also cotton because it talks about mesa there was a fast before the yeshiva so there's a ether you can learn themselves just fast now what's happening over here is if you note this piece we have just extended it it's not only my cotton to be nervous about it it's also your venus and it's also hulu okay agave we see that they learn thriff in those days also but that's a side point okay now back to this he has around this piece also and he brings down that from the kabbalah that you can learn it but the only issue is if you're learning in shalom or something like that but if you're learning it that's when there's a kid shrug and there's a sakana but if one is learning about the right intentions it's not a problem now he throws in we just mentioned yavamis and khulin he throws in also baba bastro there's no problem okay so what just happened over here if you note is that a few more massachusetts got mixed in it's not only my cotton we got your vomit okay fine then he just says um he ends up in the ice of it's going back to his survivors he goes back that he saw his rabbi he would never skip even the things that we didn't understand you they learned it and then he concludes with the safer hasidim he brings the safer has him said he says and this is the quote but he's you see what does he say the conclusion is of this there's a mitzvah to learn things that that others do not learn now what about the other aspects of the the the that the siddha mentioned about he already took care but and they have a different answer which is tightness okay fine now bottom line is that but this so this is so you see the secret see the more of a sudden got very cut very short and it's mentioned very briefly in this thing and it's mentioned adorable to learn okay where is the first time you say mentioned there's a fascinating saver called um printed in 1648 i'm not going to get into the whole story behind the safer there's a lot to talk about it brings it down um many a few times today it's obscure safer very few people know about it i mean it's available by hashami of hebrew books and he's the first person that brings down this hasidim so you want to know how he brings out [Music] so he's bringing down from the secretary see them how should he do it make sure just the devin but add the rabbit is a mitzvah okay very good moving moving right along we have a sheriff he brings this down and from here on everyone quotes the shield he says um he brings down what should he do that's what he brings down from then he says this is him talking he says i heard that kushner people don't learn aravind nida and yavamas now we learned about we already saw about um the obamas we never heard anything about nidor irvin what's going on so he says what's the reason the russia tavis are ani okay so ani what does that have to do with anything he doesn't explain then he says some people don't learn the sacrifices for bastrop why not so he says rashi um got sick and it seems that he might have died then says the knesset the shield nasa but it seems that one should be more concerned this rashi it seems rashy only got sick he holds ratchet and got sick above us so when does he die okay then he concludes his piece that we're we're if you learn it's only concerning if you're learning yeshiva but want to learn himself like it says in the safe hasidum so here you see um a usage of the saferhazidim and he brings in a whole new story to this piece okay a little bit later in 1733 this safer sheriff messenger was printed in 1717 after his patera but um literally 1733 we find a safer day yehuda he brings down the safer hasidim and he says one should you could learn maya cotton you shouldn't leave it behind but again don't be medic in it like you do to other massacres okay but bottom line is what's the mascara of the shiite because he brought in we saw he did he he made the problem greater not only mud cotton he added a few more masseters okay okay so just to mention very briefly a few things about this one is what kasha is what's wrong with irvin anita what do they what what about them is is the concern also jack of spiegel in an article about to see s it sounds like it's only if you're learning it all together because it's ani it's russia davis honey whatever that means but if you learn one receptor of them what what's the exact problem so he suggests that it's sometimes it's some type of and adjust that these three are really a hard sectors to learn truth is one could find support for um for spiegel's claim because of ending is he says exactly this he says that this whole russia tavis is not really a real thing it's just it's a it's like it's sort of a halal that people that were learning they weren't able to be aimed at because these messages were murder and everyone knows that these are the hardest and therefore they created such a thing but not because there's anything about it being dangerous or anything okay a lot a lot of people discussed the russia terrorist ani um um pressure we're not going to get into that just to mention one source about it is that there was a grace um from the legend remark hasberg so the saif yama and him in the native world came very involved with the indiana of they were on the same side and they so and they so in a letter where if eilsberg was writing to the native he says remember we learned together yavamis and his lesson was and he's being maramis to that thing but not because not any other okay fine now just to just to mention two other um two three other points with this and then we'll move on is there's a fascinating saver what came out from a manuscript a few years ago called safer pulis from reprimvital this is a magic safer this has alchemy this is full of schoolis did some of them he did actually hundreds of schools he says he did and vladimir didn't do but he collected from other people and according to station anyway i i've written about this um safer extensively but one interesting point relating to us over here is he brings down that ravi yeshiva shalom okay fine now the question is what's going on when did rashi really die do we know and it is occurring because we have some rashes dying about according to others he's dying in marcus okay so um so interestingly this question was answered in the courier diversity brings from el gazi that it could be rashi was working on two perusian at the same time he was up and and he died in the middle and it was attack in the middle of okay anyway there's a beautiful 3dh in in different russians when he was talking about rashi dying he said um people like you know we didn't um so it is different was showing us how he said it but one of the times he gave a sheer and he said um in bubble bastard it says then she dies and then goes rashban um and there's two gear sighs it seems one gear so says ad can't perish rashi the other gears that says rashi mace said with this rashid never died he's a dying he's continues to live with us where isaac and again is perish okay okay i can part one of this presentation wow amazing some people are gonna say wow it's already 25 minutes okay we have to cut it short but i think most of the tiber enjoys it so much they want to continue so let's move on there's many sources in the hassam cipher there's a lot of talk about the hassam cipher stories about some cypher and this thing in particular in particular and other and yanim that subcypher was concerned about i think that should be the next step of the presentation okay so let's let's try to talk about some cypher well as everyone knows one of the great great eudailum of the past 200 years was the sam seifer and um he wrote he wrote a lot he never almost nothing of his was published in his lifetime one interesting book of his of his many interesting savaram is a work called safizikaran during the napoleons and the sea presbyter was under siege in the in about 1809 i believe it was and he wrote during that time about what was going on in this period of time a fascinating book to read um it's available on hebrew books i'm pretty sure now in there he talks about um they're about to learn hulen and he says um and then he talks a little bit more about it okay the footnote is already pointed out and others uh pointed out that there's no safer hasidim or such a thing always was proud of his of his answer that he came from frankfurt the isis of amitz which we quoted earlier is a safer from i didn't emphasize enough is from frankfurt and he was into the safety ice environments there we saw is that it said fast before learning the cyclists couldn't and yvonne's okay so this is a source number one in the cipher that people always quote now but there's a more scarier truva because i'm safer has a truva where he's talking in the ottoman availa with the rebecca vega and he says you know i'm going to talk about something related to ants or something related to myself to smokers and i i guess it's not not going to be any act but this and then all of a sudden i find out that my mother was nifty says that some safer and it's and then he uses some very powerful shyness and he says something about um that he was agave the cuppid and it seems like some people interpret like that because what he's he's saying that because he was isaac and janam availus this is what triggered his mother to die very very interesting the shyness it could die to be in exactly what he says and then the rest of the trooper he ended up he was oval and he ends up sending the rebecca vega dealing with whatever they were talking about and then he has a bunch of arrows about to smack which we'll talk about shortly okay now um a similar story is mentioned the the the vatican cipher that he was um he was giving sharon gittin certain syrian get them towards the end and he stopped for various reasons and he stopped also similar type of thing and even though it's interesting we know that the samsara gave share on that particular sugya the sugya is um which is also talking about miso so this is so sorry for stopped also um but as i said it's clear that some say forgive shear on that sugar okay but um people bring down this i'm saying if there's a crazy amount of literature in general so they quote the martial that i'm satisfied with he was learning until dave and then he saw there was a lot of music and preach of fires and damages going on in the city of pressburg he stopped learning babacama he attributed it to the learning baba kama in a different russia in a different macaroni and it's brought down that at one point they were learning hulin and then at a certain point in time he wanted to go through it much faster remarkable things that some safer there's a there's another there's another source with some cipher that um they were learning bubba kama and there was i don't know if it was the same years and those fires okay so there was a there was a yid that lived in england uh murder bucky in the some cipher writings like unbelievable his name was of ram shisha and recently put it they put out a safer of his material that various materials that he printed published and some that he didn't publish about it so i'm sorry and he had that some safer in the beginning of robert wrote some type of notes to himself we we have it and it said when he beginning he talks about that he should have yeshua's and then he says some type of russian or some safer [Music] he's concerned about mazikim and stuff and he should and basically it sounds like he's asking for um [Music] yeshua's and these type of let me just see if i have the russian right here okay i don't have the exact question this second oh sorry yes so he he says it could be that there's something going on there's some some cypher was mamish very concerned about these um these type of things um more than that um there's a fellow mothers ghana who wrote a whole article collecting many different things in some serious writings where we see that he was very concerned about it just one source relating to this is we find that some safer was very and he was very worried how people when he would say what if it was if it was a puzzle relating to misa he was very concerned he was very nervous he he because the power of of the word and everything was uh was um very very hush of an important him and he held it it could play out a lot okay now there was a a few years ago i put out a uh reprinted older safer that came out in the 60s about kaiser elliot from a fellow of yehuda vida and in there he has a whole arikos he talks about some safer and he bring and he talks about some of these things that we mentioned and a ballerina cotton and then he brings down another true word of some cypher which was written to the shalom and his brother-in-law where some people have the minig about when they start kiddish on shabbos they start which is a hat and there's a shiloh you're called okay so he he when he talks about it some safer says some type of russian hold on she is [Music] which is an incredible um incredible um the shyness okay now what's just to give some um um how do you say of some explanation in this because i'm safer even though it's obviously not something that we um at least i cur more regular people could understand so to give two two ins two points about this many years ago i heard from uh you saw me that was a good to know while learning anarchist role um as a bachelor his name was same word and we were talking one time and it came up about some safer it's known and we have spar of this i'm safer wrote a lot of shirum meredith and he said that he was once by the kiva cipher and he showed him in his house that there's dozens of of the shiram at that time i guess it wasn't printed they said when was some safer one or something to write this he wrote this between yam kipra and sukkas what happened was he was it was so hard for him to get back like down to earth from yom kippur to he would he would he just his pen would be non-stop flowing he'd be writing all these types of things anyway some the point is i'm trying to bring out a drop is something there's a different playing field than us and therefore he was very concerned about all these things and it's interesting is even even the truth he's talking about her but not not um a person and he even he's saying he's saying about himself he's very concerned about it okay now the ali tamar um and others when they talk about this indian so they start to uh me and truma's my goals also and we see is that if people in general this is not only for the trump safer that if peop there's a concept is called the capital should not really um have a problem why is that there's there's stuff that we don't understand but a lot of times um if one one um just to be to bring it out there's a concept of hara and today we know people travel all over to people that are experts in removing ayahuasca so referring back to this ruby also saying vert i when i was a bhakar someone asked me to find out a person that does remove zinhara from you that that's reliable to go to him okay so i went to talk to this revised vert about it and he told me there's no reason to be mocked if you don't if you're not mocked but it doesn't affect you he said but this person's mom is bothering him okay so then maybe there's something so he recommended me to go to a person i went to this person and i went from other people also i did it and you see how they pour hot aluminum and eyeballs form until they constantly say the shameless whatever but now what's the point the point was is that in hero also we see that it's brought down there's an akuba of if it bothers one per a person then it could bother so some something about misa or these or in general all these types of things it gets people nervous and for generations got very scared talking about death and stuff like that that's what's going on now i'm sorry for we're not equating him to the but he also he understood the power of the word so to speak and whatever okay now after him assigned this section is that it's interesting in hungary you would think that they would go with the cipher it was an incredible discovery a few years ago that there was a one of the great good islam of hungary before world war ii was famous today for writing the book world they call it the the the kilo the actually whatever whatever they call it but they're very into the safer to put it mildly they abandon an incredible incredible safer band and yarmouth israel now they found it seems his order he wrote autobiography during the war years some people said it shouldn't be printed family members we're not we're not happy with it what it was printed by his son um and in there we find barricos a massive um russia that he gave at a seam that he gave the rabbit to his sheer that they learned in 1942 the whole the whole russia is there in this yoman called base okay ad can hungary and some social okay excellent i think what people enjoyed last time especially talking about the rashes was the way you set it up historically you know until this time no i talked about it and as we went further people started talking about whether it's rashi rashik saviat i got a lot of feedback about that so perhaps you could do the same thing with throughout the generations do we see that the way you've been learning it you're they're not learning it from the russian and take us through through modern day paiskim halakalam isa what do we have okay okay so let's go through this very briefly as time is short and i'm way over my time already like this the truth is that the way i presented it right now we have some cypher camp we have the ace of vitamins we have the safer hasidim and hat on the sands they've gotta see them but mice what did they do throughout the generations now to give a proper answer only today are we able to even give an answer why because we have an explosion of printing of manuscripts and swarm which are available to us and now we could see the story much better than they would have been able to see let's say in 1800 or example i mentioned last time that he daw lists the ritual as the only safer on the maserto and it's very strange in his travels we know that he traveled and just this week a beautiful edition of part one of his travels just came out um with pictures and maps and everything beautiful edition highly recommended he says he saw the eerie he saw the tysus rid and the miriam the red wrote on my cotton and he says he saw a little shot he doesn't even mention his list but the point is that they were only aware of one reason for hundreds of years on the massachusetts so was learning mud cotton part of a curriculum if you for lack of a better word so we know there's no place in shas where there's a special devoted just on available let's say let's we know now because we're learning has a part that deals with okay and why is a foundation from a deals within at least five places to explain why daft in my cotton do we have he'll just okay now the cipher brings down that he heard of art from his rabbi dafla that um relating to the time in the mid bar that when he he talks about when maisha where miriam was after mises miriam so claudius were not were either bitter tired so to speak because maisha and aaron were available and they were and they were also in tamil tara so there was a time on them that they should have learned with them either or so the so we see from here that that there was some jokes available already way back then which goes into a whole different discussion of how early really the mishnahs are israeli it's even quoted rasheem refers to evil rabbasi masekti the carnoses he refers to the missionary china we have this work it's printed in the vilna you'll find that we found more pieces over in recent years and there's english edition from a fellow does latnick and oyster huddler includes it in their um fancy chasse i mean in the i think in their is the chasm of they're printed as a separate volume there's many first written about it but interestingly not in the first few hundred years after it was available somehow in the late 1700s all of a sudden a few different purusha were written just to mention yeshua and some others they could all be found in this iceberg the volume so i'm not sure if it's still available and there's also um rabbishaya berlin wrote harvest that could be found in the pharisees rose father safer and the gra throughout learning beer hagra on your dear in helfus one will come across his usage of this machines karen overhears it one of the first final printer of the actually was his of how he held the the source to be now what's so important interesting is that the marathi about that many times people talk about things relating to mesa and they say oh there's no makayas for it and if you in the arm of sakana and he says if you open up this marcus you'll see that that's a lot of times that is the source that there really is a source of a real proper source okay the meaning at the end of the safer he collects stuff from the cyclist okay moving this is but this is how early is the mosaic it seems it's very very early as i mentioned even the the the flow is saying that even in thai moisture obeying they might have existed on some level okay fine now but moving faster um after we have hazal what about now what did they learn so in general there's no real math no one really ever mapped out what massachusetts did they learned from the going in period and even in the resharing time um [Music] there's a massive book on yeshivas from the morgan breuer he does deal with it he has sources about it but not a lot it doesn't give you a full picture but the mice so if one takes out the safer heights are going in you could see that's a lot of pieces of material on the surface and actually it's called himself okay but i'm fine we've already discussed that last time now moving forward rabbin also wrote pearce found on the side of his villinum but when does that come to print only in the 1880s but at least we see that as far back as then after the garden the learning might cut them there's a homosexual there's a ritz chaos and diary of the riff but this safer is also one is the first time it's published in the 1860s with an extensive perishable hamburger then we have which we discussed last time very brief more at length we have rabbina girsham parish magenta revolyakum rashi all these different we discussed all about them but we see they're all dealing with my cotton bill including these parakeet there's a safer which i did not mention last time a very hush of a safer also a discovery only past 120 years interesting what where his name comes from also discussed by rico of the beautiful edition which is available in hebrew books in italy we find that um he it seems to me as an italian region there's the pisgah rid the tyson we we discussed it we discussed the tais is also piscarid then there's all these things are only 100 years old what i mean to say they're hundreds of years written but they we didn't have them the rival we discussed last time is a lost work so we see that constantly they were learning this is a question that's very hard to answer and to another very important safer that one must mention is the ramban ramban wrote a safer called tyra saddam it's first printed in 1518 it goes to 50 then the next edition is 1595 and then it disappears we say most people didn't have it um but the last part of the safe ramban on terrorist album was a shark mo that people did have for some reason that was printed the next time the ramban on is reprinted the the tyres adam is in 1840. now um when does this how does it get the name tyres adam we don't know but the rajma shnazi already points in an article on the tarzan that the rajput already knew that was called the terrorist of them okay now what additions are there of the terrorist adam today so just this week as i was preparing for this um presentation also i got an email about a brand new tyres album came out i immediately yeah i said i need to have it before it's embarrassing if i don't have it i'm going to talk about this other so here it is a beautiful edition it's over 600 pages footnotes based on all the manuscripts indexes a beautiful beautiful job earlier if one wanted to use a tyrosine one had to use the shvel edition family kiss fair on bam and now just a drop of just to discuss a drop about this because we can't we otherwise i'll get complaints like this the hebrew teresa adam was in front of the goddard such as the shah and the gra the magnum i am pretty convinced did have it but the ties did not how did the thais and most kids have it until the 1840s they used the basics of the basics it was a rare work basically okay now interesting is in the discussion of the is about the importance of terrorist alderman officer of brahman says that the best and everyone's using their sound but he didn't have the mohammed on the septuagism um okay if one learns ramban if one lands beer hagra you'll see cassadar the terrorist album is very important he had the tarou's adam although as i said it's printed 1595 so he has a rear safer not not unusual okay um where befriends almagolis in an incredible husband that he gave in which was that a has been disgusting i have no idea how i feel bad that i'm talking so long but i have no idea how how long this has been took to give over so in the middle of the speech he says that there's a in order to understand it properly you have to know there's a terrorist on them but it's not it's a safer that people don't have the fee shane i say from matsuri we add them so he brings the gang salation and he's medical and builds the light off it and then he quotes because he had a massive sperm library um okay later on after after the referendum goes we see the um extensively the karen ira and his work on my cotton uses it all the time and he also uses the messages that we spoke about last time which i made a mistake someone corrected me about this i i linked him to be a talmud of rohingya he's not he's a lit he had to do with him but he was not a talmud but he was a great guy and he used the terrorist adam also extensively in his work on malikatu now one just two other um a few other things about the before i move on with the ramban and in this adam one is the tour also is based heavily on the terrorist um other other people that um how else was it used interestingly enough as there was the great river susan meltzer when they get dolim a literature diamond of the past hundred years authors have another father-in-law and we know so much about him so he there's a beautiful book about him called the darkest crime two volumes it's been in print a few times i'm not sure if it's important right now but very could i to read one of the projects that he took about himself was that he felt that the ramban's tire was not available it wasn't we're spoiled today he's going to farm so he could buy three different editions of roomba there was none so he went and got manuscripts et cetera et cetera and he puts it out and he went on he took the relevant pieces and put it outside there so someone would go and you if you withhold not only that um people had tightness while you're wasting your time with anything show them it's important and now that he was many corrections with mistakes and later on we see there is muhammad to the manuscripts anyway um bottom line is the tyre sodium is one of the most important farm on mcclellan from the tour and onwards it's it's used even to rush use it a lot okay ad khan with the ramban um just to finish up with the reshaynam is the rush before we get to the rush side there's the ramen ruthenberg brothers um it was not available in in its entirety only in our generation once again another safer that only recently we have there's some purusham on it now the rush um has a massive auricus if you learn by cutting in the back rush has a ton of material we have tysos we have the kiln paris and which we spoke about last time there's the rand there's also the muki yosef and as i said last time it's there's it's two independent works through ashash also points this out and can for the reshade what we see is that they so many wish items they learned the massachusetts um they didn't have it as a that's awesome to learn okay well you guys are amazing i think we both run out of time but we still owe the sibor in the audience so let's wrap this up now to mr we're going to record another another session another presentation just on those farm and you'll get back and touch on you were flying through some of you shining them i'm sure you have some more to add on some of the things you've already touched on submits hashem we'll have to come back and we'll do part three