Menachos Throughout The Ages

Welcome back, Rabbi Dr. Alzar Brat. We are here for one of our original style episodes. This is how we basically got started with Rabbi Dr. Brat. Before every maka, Rabbi Brat previews the maka and how it has been learned throughout the generations. We're starting as we record this. We're starting it tomorrow. Hopefully this recording will get out very shortly would like to do what it usually does go through has a unique aspect that it has the of and perhaps I'll touch on that as well. This episode is being dedicated as [snorts] for David Ben Sophia and all the learning should be aus for him. Rabbi Dr. has brought. >> Okay. So, basically we're about to begin. It's a continuation of um invim. We already spoke about how kachum we began the first episode discussing how kachum was learned throughout the ages as introduction. Then we moved into how wasim exactly learned and then we just re just re we just released an episode about how he made a revolution to learn. So continuing with with that one last point, there's a there's a schooloola there's a known schooler. If you ever want to speak or you write an article, right after you submit the article or you finish the speech, you always find an import that you meant to add in and you forgot about. So here's one such thing. They published a collection of essays of Rabbi Kameki in English a bunch of years ago. And this piece he talks about Mashiach um learning and and Mashiah gets in here also. And then he talks about like this. He brings down the was very into anticipating Msiah and he revived Kachum. So he brings down the following. He once gave Mus to his nephew Liuititz for not learning Kachchum and his he said what's what are you going to do if Mashiah comes tomorrow? The B mish is standing and what you're not going to know what to do. So so Dut said what about he's first the person's going to have to know that he was shabas. So, so for this reason that's why I'm learning in says that's not true because for that you have the but for you need to have you need to know kachum and you need to learn kach this was the the discussion between the two of them anyway the point is that we showed already that already before the before the war and we'll have some more instances about this later on today kachim started to take off and we know what's going on today ma all over we mentioned the red now just to throw out one story the famous thing with the vag when he about 11 years old. He stayed up the whole sim at night and he learned all of someone we know the name of the person but basically some relative of his saw in the morning that he that he remembered at night he was holding and then he saw he's finished he couldn't believe it he tested him and he was blown away. There's a famous reliable story that the children of the gr bring down. Um anyway, Lamshel continuing with Kachum. So this is al Meltzer who put out Evanel also describe he publishes it during World War II and he says ah you'll say you know the world is god but that's the period of time to be to put out to be and these hard this is similar to writes in his introduction about where he deals with it. Okay. And one last which relates to but moving to getting us to to um is which we spoke about in so who has a review on the work on who as I'm very fond of quoting. So he talks about these this is writing a book review on it. So the safer comes out also in 1940 but you um he says and and they explain the but not the whole many of them they don't talk about it or they don't they don't deal with first of all it's not fair to them he says they don't have but this of who was a we mentioned already last time of also talks about that to have certain fasting materials from him he does that he goes through the whole Rashian Tyus. So this is just yet another nikuda throwing out there about Kachchan being learned also Dafka in these years in the in the 1940s when Kalisro was going um was in a rough position so to speak and then he throws out there not only as a DV just throws out there which we'll also deal with today that not only does have this is a unique as it has the okay anyway like we always discuss the gear of of this which in general is very very hard and is so we still have from here he changes the name to naming after his patreon who just died and he had the manuscript which we'll discuss the significance shortly now so when you open up you'll see as opposed to already starts having if you're still using an old print it starts later on but if you're using already starts much earlier um rashi there's rashi on the side but it seems somewhere around the seventh per there's discussion even though there's something called the rashi mikaviad which is already put in by the shas vna edition and and that also we'll discuss in in in a moment now according to mubetus and um sorry from concludes like this the part of rashi at the end of the ma that's on the in the what's called rashi that's not rashi um It's probably some something from that medish that's um different discussion but anyway the point is like this shazna had something unique something we discussed numerous times which is that each time throughout the generations when a shas was published they want to make it that it's um valuable so they try to get new materials so when shnu was working on putting out their shas they went and tracked down a whole bunch of whatever they were able to get their hands on famous um and inch they get the a whole long story they write in the back of how they get this incredible work. Now the significance is as we already mentioned numerous already in the in the previous episode on kachum there's no rishim on kachum so anything that we have is important more so now say for having manuscripts are but also the the problem is that this these is very hard because it wasn't um learned as well as the so it's very hard the text needs to be dealt with properly so the is also dealt with that very heavily. We um discussed a little bit about that. There's a lot more to say, but the point is so the so the already the Shazna people they got a hold of that. So in recent years we mentioned last time as far as but the same is true with there's a whole discussion about where they got all this materials from and if there's more materials and a lot of work has been done on it. sorry mister of cook published recently published underbases over the years and even now anyway um credit is due over here to to we don't really I have not really spoken much about them but for kachum they get a lot of credit which is like this as I just said kachum is very hard the g and everything they went out of their way to work very hard on the text of the of of it and they went back got the kubatis also they did a lot of work on the on the but they also went back where the Shikides had this Rashi Mikaviad who he felt was really Rashi. They tracked it down. They got more material than he then Shasna had and they fixed up many different pieces. They show and they added a lot of new material. So already so first they did a lot of work a ones b on rashi. So, and they show this comparing, you know, in the front if you open up your uh standard on um they show through pictures many different corrections that they made, which is very significant to see, oh, why should I buy this new sha? So, there's a lot of new stuff happening over here by by going back to the manuscripts, which is very interesting because here we see the main what's becoming pretty much I guess you could even call it the mainstream garra um in the karedi world. how manuscripts is being used and there's no discussion which we devoted many episodes and here they're dealing with whether it's the gam whether or publishing it all and and everyone this is this is bread and butter for anyone that's learning kum now it's what they did but they also were able to get more materials of that villain did not have all this they tell in the story in the front of the agdama beautiful agdama a lot of fascinating information very cute just to nitpick to throw out there they thank Rabbi Yakoshigel and Rabbi Schmuglick. These are professors. They can't use the word professor. And then in one footnote they write a lot of the material about the we thank in his work on the mubetus which was published in a few copies which is obviously a PhD of his that he wrote on the mubetes which is fascinating and very important but anyway they did incredible work and it's very valuable. So Kachchum which we have said numerous times does not have too many or almost nothing. So it's very important they did a lot of significant work. Fine. There's a worksheet similar to what's on but this is done by the son who I just mentioned did does the work of the where he collects pieces of rishim throughout these are two volumes and rabbiisman of publishes he locates a few blot of a kadma also probably early on um on on the ma as I said every blot that he gets something is is important okay all of a sudden in 1860 something significant happens and that is the publishing of what's called the kadushia Rajba on the already over there in the gets from one of the time famous for his massive work on the sites. So he says this is the Rajba and he says um and he brings something that we've said time and time again the calls it the Rajba and this gives it a temple for many many people and he discusses about it and and the and it's considered authentic but the sh is if it's really the rajbah we say it's a for sure but we don't necessarily know who it is now it seems the messiah was that it was the rabbis as I said first time around 1861 Now we already spoke about a few times already in the past two episodes when you say and knew that people are going to complain. He's trying to make a campaign to learn there's no what are you going to do? So he goes ahead and gets all the materials as he says in the he say goes out and publishes it. So one of the things that he publishes from is he republishes this raja that was published 40 50 years before. Great. Now here he throws out a footnote. He says like this is it the so he brings down um he brings down what says but then he says but the seems to say that it's not you say and feels it's not the okay but it's not no one is taking away from it being an important work thought now. So what's the story of this work? So very very very briefly um time is short. Basically um the most extensive work on this has been done a um a bunch of years ago and um I forget I don't even remember the fellow's name. I don't does he even say his name after those yeah he doesn't even tell you his name. He has Rashavis. Anyway, one of the additions is called so he has a beautiful introduction where he goes through the whole I think it's his name is something like that anyway so he puts out this whole work he consult does all the things so first he brings down possibility number one the mish is not buying this thing that it's the rajba but many people do believe it's the rajba and he brings you a list of people Then he brings down that certain already point down to the steer from on the and others point to steerus in the rajas. So therefore they're not willing to accept this raj. Now the truth is we always find steerus is not necessarily going to be the key way of deciding it. say there in the famous thing says that it's in his famous um what's known as the um we mentioned already a few times that's printed in the front of the very people always fond of quoting it it's not the rajbah so to the says it's not the rajba but notably they use it um also says it's not the rajba so who could it be so one of the possibilities that and throws this out also and this is goes with it's possibly What who's what are obviously it's beyond the scope for now brings down that seem to have felt it's the it's the tis the dictim also said such a possibility and others have proven that it might be the the tyis and a more recent um possibility is who says it's and he proves it from there anyway in this new introduction bottom line is they discuss the whole what's unique about the there's a lot of stuff even including because it plays out in the system and stuff like that. And the interestingly enough they show in the over here that uses this 1861 edition but it seems he got a hold of another manuscript and makes some material corrections based on a manuscript and furthermore um this fellow who publishes it in um in recent years he also got a hold of at least two manuscripts and makes changes according to that. Okay, fine. Fast forward to the we have the which is from the which is we already spoke about the is published in 1788 um has a beautiful from who and he's done a lot in the now they are found in the and we mentioned their dating and the materials about them already in the episodes on now there's the and there's the 1825 and then fast forward 1906 is a work and then there's work 1923 um and then we have the which we spoke about all the way in the beginning 1940 that's a very thorough now numerous times we mention how sometimes comes along and they print something from manuscript so this also they have they publish a safer pieces in 2020 20 or 2022 um from the Shabashi which is also another significant because as I said any piece of material that one could get is valuable last week at the end of the week encyclopedia tamudas finally put out volume 53 and it's letter me towards the end and it's all about all the carbonus very valuable volume to use just in time for Di to have okay now there are other works especially contemporary works in the from after the war but these are beyond the scope of of my pedigree. Now there's one blot devoted to the mana or a little more than a blot and that's its own literature and hem if I'm it could be I will try to give a share about it if I'm able to raise um to find a sponsor for it. Okay. Now, but one of the interesting things about this is which is and there's almost 15 blot related to this and it's fascinating is it comes in and so we'll start with with the very briefly um as time allows and we'll discuss some things that relate to it but the first to talk about is there's a work from there was a guy Rab Lipman Halpin who dies in 1794 for now he dies young and the significance of this yid was that besides for being a gum he also he wrote a lot on kachum so this is going back in the 1790s a great lit now number one is there's interesting story that the it seems went to it seems he married into the family of who's the father-in-law of ben hagra but it seems the gr knew him and liked him and the story there's a story in the alias um I just have to throw throw it out there because I had to spend a lot of time to track it down. A lot of times when people quote a source they don't tell you the page number and then when you try searching for it in in different ways it's very hard to search because it's spelled differently mean say this that he wrote is very significant because he had it to do with and especially with so even in this materials between him the back is back and forth between him and it's going and it's also kachum related so there's a lot of material for especially for the suggest But there's also some other that are relating to the so the other episode we on we mentioned kadusha which has a lot of material on but the point is we here we have this associated with the with associated with the very close catcher with and and and this is available actually and to go through these um incredible deep pieces on the suggest relating mostly to stop one other thing to throw out there the basot there's a few pieces in the back of that rel to stop. Okay. Anyway, that that's just by way of introduction. Now, now I'm just going to as much as we could accomplish in the next uh um bunch of minutes without trying without going over time. That's as follows of it's remarkable. These are mitzvah we do all the time. Muza is daily all the time. He's surrounded by it. Fillain is almost daily. say fat is very important for and we should try at least to learn it a little as it's so relevant. So here we have sort of a break after over 120 block invim and then there's going to be a bunch more you you're you're far away from for many people um what would be called familiar territory of nashimikin and these are very relevant it's kadai to and to look into these areas or at least a little bit about it part of it's found in the isra why that is I'm not even sure but that's what it is but interesting already which he wrote he didn't tell us that that's who he that that's who the author is but we now know that he this which is all different areas which he felt was being he has devotes pages in areas that we need to so to speak up in English there's old time book on one of the earliest books written um in the English language Then there's a famous book called inside stam. It came out a bunch of years ago and insider reveals the answer to all the questions you can ask when purchasing and maintaining fillus millisra from rauv mandeloitz. Um it's been translated into Hebrew. It has lots of footnotes and a very popular book and there's numerous other books in English. So someone complains that he doesn't understand it in Hebrew there's what to look at even a little bit. Okay. Now just to go with rishim. So here we see at least got a little bit to be learned the rush our our rush that were that helps us out when we're learning and the mai they're back is very significant but even more there's a k whatever the story with that is and a few years ago um thanks to um Rabbi Rabbi Aramalisen for making sure to get me a copy of this put out for for some of Pman he publishes a beautiful edition from manuscript of what's called What's also significant is there's extensive footnotes and it covers and fill in excellent excellent materials over there. Now, okay, so there's already we're seeing that there's at least in these areas there's also now one work that's already worth to pub to talk about very briefly is the M's. There's two parts to it. talks about um the the and then there's another aspect of which hopefully I will give a special share devoted to it which is a lot of the inside way of how to write a surra which is the how the messiah plays a role and um the spelling of words and all different aspects of this um the sometimes even plays a role. So this was the the the wrote a work devoted to it but earlier the Rama also wrote a work there's also from the andel the classic work is the lano and these are that hopefully we'll discuss an episode devoted more to them and the significance to them and just to point out that just um um this Thursday or Friday past Thursday or Friday another work came out that's also very significant from it's called from um who was a dna called discussing all different aspects and many different aspects that relate to all these things now early works so one of them is known as one is muza one is and so and the is a known thing that you have to self-promote yourself so I already gave four episodes about this wrote a beautiful work on all these say for we plan on still doing an episode devoted to it but since we spoke a bunch of topics related to it so you could definitely um look at it if you didn't um hear about it another early work of which is also related to this so in recent years someone republished with a lot of the perushim and from manuscript came out of a parish which is called misrai from something from 400 years ago tan also came out from manuscript learning and you'll see how is very significant. Okay, early work from the times of the whole story about what's the correct text to use for this and everything. There's a possible rebarelon for him not possibly wrote and there's a lot a lot of literature in general how to write the tourist endless endless material about this the shamar there's different barak shamar even there's other um the whole story behind the barak shamar professor tashar tried to tell it over but there's much more to it which is waiting for someone to tell the story um what was the barak shamar that the different piskim had how it affected hala in all these areas. Um there's a lot of written about this and the tourist is every few months maybe even another massive work comes out where someone goes ahead and collects and puts out with gorgeous pictures of the work that was shalom published but there's endless amount of them I can't even keep track in the various journals there's people that are collecting all the materials more and more sephyra and ancient sephyra come to light and it comes a whole deal there's a lot about that just to throw out one academic work that deals a little bit with how the sephetra was written and stuff like that from David Stern called Jewish Bible. Okay. Now, tons and tons of material about that just to throw out there which is a parish with tons of fromis. So professor Orbach published it from manuscript and there's a lot of material relating to the raam also there's a zam bingo has a massive amount of material on histitus from the base manage the maril okay now in the 1990s a work comes out on hilus [snorts] titus called kilis this is put out by a fellow um let me check his name again Elio Tab Tabar so it seems this rebellious tabar is avelt expert in hitzis. He's published a crazy amount on it, but one of his early works is this work back in 1993. So first when um he goes through the sugot material and he has a nice listing in the front pages and he could see that there's a material in about okay and he shows you what he has and he could check all the maduras and probably from then there's been a lot more updates with it. Okay. Now one of the so besides for going through the suggest and the and the whatever there is so one cute thing is he throws out there one of the very significance farm is the mishnak a great which is kadai to look at not only for in general not only for titis it's also to look at for excellent material um but so he says he was mimat so in a way it was good he saw that he's on the right track but then it takes away you know you want to have original original materials anyway significantly is that He publishes work the safer from one of the who wrote a whole work on how he gets this he heard about it that such is a thing but it wasn't published ever and he met a chance meeting to David the noted expert on since then has published a lot of works whether it's tyra of his history on him so this David gave him the materials and he publishes it he also publishes a work that he got from manuscript from on fromano so the shows how um a lot of materials in the is is now available and of course he can't hold back. This is one of the experts of so at the end end of the safer he does have 20 pages about anyway moving on to is a work that was published in recent years mit from the from thiser and thiser um has published many volumes of also um okay now as time is short so we're just going to spend about five minutes to list out a bunch of different other addresses for hilus fill in um and some other number the so everyone knows some people many people their comes from the safer so this unbelievable cafer here is a time that you get to learn it why there's pieces whether it's fitfillin sitsus and maybe you learned one year or maybe your chat was about these things you get to spend time learning one sim even to get exposed to that um tyra once again now the mishnaber already writes how he spent a long time checking into researching the philillindas So that's when you open up in these areas there's a lot of pages over there whether fine we mentioned already now just to mention out there some briefly there's the from Shapiro which is onus this also has in here from an incredible incredible work which sadly does not continue to most of but we do have this which is based on from the library incredible Mount Chuvas farm similar to the style of the dhaki chuva. So there's that which is available. There's the a massive work of his relating to this from the and other and there's a bunch of nice editions from there's a all these works many of them are available if they're not available to buy they're always available on Hebrew books and the point is that a lot of times they're available because a lot of people this is how they make panasa today to become a cipher. Okay. One of the legendary famous works is the from the recently someone a lady completed a doctorate on it and it's famous for and many right that make sure a cipher has to at least know from the and its own story how this happened and and more but not for now is the in recent years they collected all the frankes my friend who was na recently Rebellia Greenwide they put out a safer called Ferriselo um I gave a hespit again you have to self-promote so I recorded and and posted a hespit that I gave on him from the reba they put out a beautiful work called Dy Yasiv which is a massive work of just his material on stam and just another work on hustitis also became very very famous and it's it recently was republished again David Morgansson and someone else they did hustain and the significance of this work it came out in the late 80s already is tons of pictures they went and they figured they went down to see how and they illustrate everything about it and they go through the and his relationship with and it plays out over there and he spoke spent a lot with but he's he's investigating the and illustrating it when you learn the so okay um the famous legendary who wrote many many so he has a massive work on there's endless amount some of them I might have mentioned the episode on um with Kyfki but one of them a famous one is is called by massive from Feldman but there are many more then okay now again I have said this in the past I'm definitely not speaking about it's way above my pay grade the amount of ink that is spilled on the is mindboggling um if you someone searches in the various forums this gets very heated in Israelis of all types fight about this non-stop Ready starting from under Radzena who wrote Three Farm about it. Revzog who we have his doctorate which for a while it's called the royal purple and the biblical blue um which was recently republished in a in a collection of some um of many materials of herog in English by kuren and there's a work um from a bernstein we're over there it's in Hebrew but anyway the point is list is endless endless materials okay just two more to end off is like this number one is a fascinating from a fleck list that's the of the whole about if you ask so now we find throughout the hashem but not always is it what's called shame kesh a whole safer written about that and in recent years a fellow far has put out a fancier edition of that also incredible and then he redid it to do already the whole also if you're writing a um okay now just to conclude is that there's no end to the mount of pulmas controversies that happened because of and even just to throw out there someone recently put out it's called a massive work showing an early pulmus um and it's over 500 pages where he puts in all the texts and puts them very and one again and all these other things the famous endless materials about that the amount of contraum and fighting about it and the journals and it's mamish about that silk screening tyra also endless material about that rabb has a beautiful piece about it and then just to throw out one last maramakum the first episode that I ever gave for all that was relating to machine matzah so interestingly enough that there was a pull also about machine making situs with a And in that at that time there was a rare work it seems they um called uh countress and this work was published in 1862 very rare no one had copies but hashem it was a copy was located and it was published in the bab journal in uh 2010 small little journal a small little countress which is also relating to this controversy between the shmev and the anyway the point is um here we have so to speak being woken up kach being woken up because of these blockamit there's endless materials there's many many that I didn't bother I didn't mention oh the very very important work let me just see if there's any others that I okay and that's all for today we'll have to um take a rain check on many others that people might show me that I missed I Trust me, I missed many. 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