Indoor or Outdoor Chuppah; a Historical Overview

[Music] welcome back Rabbi Dr elazar brat it's a pleasure to be back with you me here in the United States you in Isel under a challenging time and we are constantly dingu so last time we met we spoke about weddings on Fridays I actually got a text from a friend of mine who said that he was at a friend's wedding they did this Friday wedding um bit um he wasn't sure exactly why so maybe we'll find out why they did it but it's still done today if anyone else has any more information if it's being done or why people do it today they are happy to hear and with any other comments questions suggestions dedications you can email myself sched and M ou.org and or RAB elzer br elzer br gmail.com if you want to sign up for any of Rabbi br's preum um packages where he shares all kinds of interesting information on books and articles sign up there as well I'm assuming the next one will be at or before Kaneka time right correct me if I'm wrong before Kaneka we m okay and we are ready to move forward to the next episode which will be about getting married indoors outdoors and shs controversy in the times of the Rama and this episode is sponsored we' like to thank our sponsor by Ellie and Eva genow in memory of Mrs Ruth genow Al Shalom of Seattle Washington made this episode and the learning and knowledge be Aliyah for her and we thank the gers for this dedication without further Ado Rabbi D has a br take it away okay so basically the question is we we to get married in indoors in a is it m to get married in why would it be AER to get married in a and if there's any reason to get married AF outside um that's going to be the M that's the main discussion now of course like everything else a lot of Incas spilled on this topic we'll see why today um a lot of Chas three chuvas that I just like to point out that that stand out because not only about what they say but also they a lot of them they quote a lot of information through them one could find more information about this topic we're not going to discuss every single aspect and every single truva about it but one is the chuva from rebellia gutmaker who we devoted a whole episode about him in general um this this trua safer of his from manuscript was published by m of cook in the 1980s Stern who we devoted episode about him um recently in the gon Series so also from a manuscript of that published likees he has a crazy amount of M on this topic and more recent not more recently a that was in the times of Holocaust this is volume two of his he also has and each one has their tremendas and and also analyzing the various makis um and one article to mention more recent isander of in his work his very nice work called he has a nice organized chapter on the suya we hope today to add some Nas to the suya to organize it a little and to say um to talk about now once again Dera we're going to get some understanding of the inner workings of the of the okay so without further Ado here's the story it's like this you open up andz he talks about different aspects in and then he says at the end that you should get married outside be like the stars so now in general there's all which we're not getting into what fine but it sounds like a nice Simon and people therefore one should not get married indoors indoors would mean anywhere indoors not even in a Sho okay what's the source for the Rama so the normal Place one looks is in the dark the darkish on evanz was only published from manuscript in recent years interestingly enough hundreds of years was a manuscript the kiter doesn't say anything so we're stuck at this point what is the source theama interestingly enough just Kaplan in his beautiful book called made in Heavens which deals all different aspects of he throws out a where from there he sees possibly a remz already then that they were done outside okay but nothing to do with the maybe that was the reason behind Okay anyway fine now there's a famous um called safer ofac and momentarily we're going to discuss more about it but in this safer it's there's there's two parts there's the and then there's a secondary part found on the bottom of each page at the end of the saer where talks about all of the year he has these type of stuff he says now we know that this safer um both the rabak and these were a strong Source in okay so Pas that will be the source of the and there's a parentheses at the end of this piece it says M that the the for this aam who's thisam what is thisam who added in this parentheses is it from the author of maybe someone else it's not clear now the Rama does bring other aspects in um from this part of this so it could be very easily this is his Source no big deal now interestingly enough there's a Chua of the the Sim he says he's talking about we're going to see more the context of what he's talking about but basically he says something to the effect that so that's the this is the marar for the r problem is like this now years wise it's not a problem because he's a tal of the maril but thisor is published in 1616 that's a long time after Amad Dies who he dies in 1573 but today we have a beautiful Edition two volumes of this TR and if you look in the introduction you'll see that theim under isaaca he had in manuscript the Chua maram Min so it's very possible he so when it means maram in a few places it's clear that he that's that his Source Tako was okay others had others also had this um manuscript so it's pass so most likely the so the sh is or is it just from this okay no big deal now what's going on over here and just to give a drop of background because this is going to play out in a few minutes to understand more what's happening in General when one learns especially but it comes up a few times Ina and ezzar ish plays a very important role in the Rama's work he he he was very upset actually that the B doesn't um focus a lot on this and he writes about this in various introductions of his in his introduction to he says that um Kat is's nothing to add did such a phenomenal job between his but what about the hour places such as Poland what do you do that he's going to add because the does not incorporate of Po and and or ashas mostly so that's one of the things that raama added in now when I there's a multiple meaning of the word Min I'm referring to over here for things that not necessarily are the m in the gar um this would be an example would be let's say karus on Kipper Tash these are mhag old mhag but where they come from that's part of the conversation the ra brings them in a lot of times and he will use certain for them who which does he bring for these type of things he brings usually from the maril and rakna um and now just to know just basic information is the maril GU is in 1427 he's a talner his such as the this and others the mar becomes one of the fundamental makus for the Rama's and it's going to play out in our Su soon um another that the r quotes very often and he refers to as shanu is the who also is a tal of thiser and he dies a little later than the maril 1445 and his safer is already published in 1420 me of the not published but it's written already of the fine now at some point gets attached to this and it's unclear who wrote it and when it's exactly from but theama already when he's using his work RAB it has in it what's called the of the I guess it's called on the safer rise turn and it's very important and he quotes it he doesn't even differentiate okay as I said it's going to come out soon we'll understand better what's the point of this introduction anyway the raal he brings this down at the end of he brings down again based on to make outside and so to in his brings a similar type of thing another important from also similar type of thing so we see that um this this of or if you want to call from the whatever the source is of of marrying outside because of AA is quoted okay but it'sa does one have to do it let's say someone does not want to do it or let's say it's freezing cold so does one have to do it that's a question that we'll try to deal with a little bit soon okay fine now another question is what did they do before this Mar is mar saying that this is an old M um does he have this as an old M what what did they do in the times of early R he's a late he what did they do okay so hopefully we'll have some answers soon now problem is already when you learn everyone knows you start looking around on on the page and then they start making problems the they already point to that there's another this is found in and over there it's sounds like the talks about and says as a that where was the taking place where did the take place indoors in in a Bas okay so um the is okay fine so in early work interest from very interesting person ver so this is published in 1827 he says as that the Min of Ash and Poland both Germany and Poland was always to make a indoors what about the Rama the Rama brings down yeah that there was also there's a there's a um there's a Sim there's a If You Do It Outdoors but the iar is what they mainly did what the main um Min was they did it inside um and they weren't so concerned let's say for this braa of the the special Braha okay fine say at this point there not necessarily doesn't sound like you're so much at stake whichever way you do it so big deal if you would ask your R and you didn't know anything more okay whatever fine there's a lot of there's a lot of different um um things that we do foras whatever okay laa he says that if you see he this Mar says because if you look in ra doesn't bring it down dark so it's not it's not like so important for him to tell you the mord okay yeah if you do it yeah yeah if not not but the problem is that there's a but but if you don't go to my there seems to be a s do you do it inside in a Sho which is what was done according to one one or da to do it outside so already the in in his he has a whole long of different things and he ends up having related to and he brings down this and he talks about it and then he says that people wanted to bring and we'll explain what that means momentarily that basically he's saying in code they want us to be di to the so they bring a r from this r that weird is the take place in but that's not true the did not take place in that's not where it took place it took place Outdoors so he says what says he says this there was a Ravis and the Ravis is read wrong and instead of saying it should say not so it said so someone interpreted to mean B that the Rama was saying that you made Where was the in in the B says him no you read you read the rashis wrong old common long conversation in its own right about rashis he got it wrong it's okay great so so far again we still don't see anything great that's going on what's at stake over here but we see already in this Pharisees Ro published in 1843 that he's alluding to something up that there's kashim that they were interested in changing something okay what's going on over here so um there's a from extremely extremely controversial person Aon so in his work he has a safe has many but one of them is called so [Music] says then he said what and then the r over there in azzar that's just the but you don't have to but the is the what was the original meaning the original meing was D to make it in okay now what's going on is that this iron corer he is a evil person and he was involved with the reform and the reform turns out wanted to make many changes to in yishai including areas of davening and areas of the they wanted to switch with a beima was and this caused in Europe in the 1800s all hell broke loose as they say and there was dozens of Chas throughout the years especially in Hungary and dozens of chuvas from were written about it and it caused a lot of discussion in all different aspects one of the things was that they wanted to do was to that the g at the time in the church they used to get married after in the church so they wanted to do they wanted to adapt different things to be D to them one of those things was so they wanted to have that the should be inside so that's what the is really being to and it could be his interesting L says because maybe because of the sensor even I'm suspecting but I don't know and interestingly enough is a that says that he heard abouton who wrote and viciously fought against this this person this nuda um that he heard that one of the things was with the in okay so now so so the point is if you look at the if you don't know anything about who ironer is and you look at his you say oh he's just he's doing like the that in h in in the pointing there's another a no here he and he's pring all from and er as they say but the answer is no it's much more going on behind the scenes okay they bring a from that says it says says again that it would mean B that we did they do the in the B but they say his Mar was from rash but the rash does not say um Kad it only says G so he misquoted okay anyway the problem is like this is this that the suggesting true one looks in the dark Ina because Ina we do have the complete dark already for a while and there's a whole over here in the dark fasting discussion because what's the sh over there sh was if an OV could go to a and whole over there and it's clear that the russas that the this was pointed out by many different people that the Russia Tavis that the Isel wants to suggest is not a good Ravis it is clear that the Rama held he was the sorry that the Min in the times the Rama was for the most part they did it in sh the took the took place in um and that could and different people point out when you read very carefully the maril that's what's going on some people do try to read into the similar to like without knowing of he has whole where he shows the that the is not referring to doing an in or not okay fine we'll get back to it shortly laa already from the the same Mar that we that we quoted earlier it's also in a different trua of his it's also clear that we did they do it in his time and he's a they did it in TR so the point is now you're getting on it's a very complicated thing because why we have um early sources that it was the originally took place where in already and his TR brings down as I said but one thing he brings down is a a newspaper article from sheir where Shear was asked this question we discussed in different episodes sheer was schap reports R of Prague known as the son-in-law of the and also a big mascal but a from mascal whatever those words mean anyway he was asked about this question and he wrote a chuva where he comes to the where and again what was brought up was this maril and someone had suggested the witha and Theus and the and the Ravis and he shows if he learned the M properly it's clear that what was the meing in the times of the mar they did and okay anyway he talks about more we're not going to go into all the different prum about this with SH also now but what's going on what's the is what's the story behind it what's really what's happening over here so as I said the outset there's many many truist and time does not allow to go into all the different chuvas and put them in perspective but we're going to quote two or three chuvas and from there we'll be able to see all the main issues what's going on and that's just false one of the people that wrote about it perhaps one of the first people that wrote about it was a was aavid zenim okay he was in France at one point he becomes one of the either Azon and the bzden of Napoleon anyway a very very who is a prolific writer most of his writings Remain the manuscript and slowly has published most of his stuff on CH and also in recent years an encyclopedia that he wrote sort of like an encyclopedia the AL called and in there is a chuva where he discusses what where should one do should be done inside a or not so he brings down the marel he knows about the marel and he knows about the Min you know it's about two he says like this in his day now when is this being written in 1809 so he says what do you mean um um now in Ash he brings down the r that the r and he brings the that they did it outside because the stars now he does point out he says like this what and this was a question that I was read my earlier what is this the um this minig how do you look at this minig answer is this is a minma and if you don't want to do it you're not an aarian but it's a Min minute now so what happened that they um what happened about at one point it sounds like the Min was that was done in sh so what changed so he basically has a because Theos and the prus that used to take place in a and a is very Hummer to have all these types of things going gone it was mixed um there was no let's say at the so to speak at the and there would be men and women and and um issues and all different types of things so so because of that it shifted and it was taken out from the you say the original Min T was like Mar they did do it in and it was removed from okay um he said not only that a lot of times till they came and so is a lot of all these are very Pro very problematic because a is a very place you're not supposed to sto there and it has all different aspects all of of the Kad of okay so therefore um it was taken away me say so to speak it was removed from being in okay then he brings down what was the meaning of Italians early Italians that they did it in their house why because again not to do it in okay so then he says um comes along the um and what about the Rama there's a steer in the Rama Rama in one place says about the stars and elsewhere the Rama says not about the Stars he says as he said so he goes with a different russas he says it's he um he he also goes it's similar to he he's before well well before the that there was a and the holds to do it outside Okay now what's his but then he says what's the main story behind over here this is what I said is is being alluded to in the but here it's much earlier is the people that are trying to do this is they want to be like the that's and that's a very big problem so now this gets into whole which where we once touched on a little bit with flowers how do what do how does it work over here if it's originally a Jewish Min and then it becomes a and we're trying how it works we're not that's part of the discussion but this is saying that that's one of the main problems so so basically comes out one big problem is that asul became the pretus that took place or even the mingling or anything that's going on asul is not the proper place for this so that's why it was taken away from it should not be done in the and another main issue is because the whole kavana of doing an that these people were doing was to be like the Christians okay then he says he ends off that he also wrote to some other such as the another the son of the which we spoke about Yuma and others and biter then he throws out another issue that is issue of women that are need being in which is also a very big problem and um and it's mentioned by the various so this these are the reasons why the it could be originally the original real Min was Tak but this is why it was taken so to speak and removed from the sh and okay so now the sh is like this um so this is one Mahal and and the truth is that many years later when it become when as again and again this keeps on coming up in Hungary and different places and the various truths that are written about this topic they they really do say these similar reasons as him but they didn't have his safer as they said it was only published in more recent Years anyway but let's go back to the um the most famous m in the to give us tremendous Insight is from the so before we get to theer we um the way theer sets it up is m which is so just to give the background is that there's a mar and a Min so the Min has a whole cha where he discusses all different aspects about in there he says that there was a Min a yak which we referred to in the previous episode and that's called known as and basically what happened is like this that in the morning it began began earlier on the the the Veer so to speak would say wake up for the it's about to and it will begin right away in the morning very interesting that already in the morning it begins F and what would happen is what happened is that um they went to theer of the sh and everyone's following um the and kala to um come okay great and then now but they don't make the braa at this time but basically the k k sits down in a special chair and the whole um okay now at one point the question is um okay that's the step one um then later on takes place a second kadu which takes this takes so now that took place where in the of the sh this already as I said it takes place early on in the morning later on in the day um basically this does take place in the sh with the kala and the from the it's masma it's in front of where thees so so we have what's happening is in the there is the the is taking place so what H so so um so now what's what's what's happening is in the in Theus is this was two kadan so to speak there was some there was a process that took place in the morning hours and the whole and there's elaborate um different PR what happened with the tremendous Sim basically when aim when a took place in these small towns everyone was involved there was singing Mish for days before the the whole and there was all different aspects one could see him in h Vera of of um that was put out a few years ago from manuscript all the different what was done during these this what's called M um but the point is something took place in the morning that took place we're Outdoors and then there was something that took place later on which was actually the bras and everything and that took place it sounds like not that the whole Kil went indoors necessarily but definitely the kala was inside the the mother of the kala was for sure inside and this took place where in sh besides the marim Min his rebi was the maril the mar also talks about this by that there was two parts of the known as the one took place in the morning and another part took place in the afternoon or later on in the day where did the second part take place what's NE for us is sh took place in the sh so what's happening is clear in the in the maril one as we began earlier one of the fundamental M for the Rama Kad the is taking place where in fine great says the now the was asked about the minut of getting married in schs or not what's Dominic today so interestingly enough it seems this was written towards the end of the lifetime ofer in 1835 and we already said that this is already happened in the early 1800s okay so what does the Rama say so what does theer say so first he brings out the he says what's the is the but he says if you look in the marint it's something strange going on in one place it sounds like it's in front ofes mean to say that we was the taking place in but later on the The Marin ends off something that I quoted all the way in the beginning that he's the M of the whole story that we're talking about today that what do they do because of they have they do outdoor so it sounds like what where is the taking place Outdoors so make up your mind is it taking place in the in front of thees or Outdoors to get this BR of the with the Stars so says the if you look inside he looked inside the maril who's the marari the rabbi of his and he says that if you know was is Frankfurt and in Frankfurt they do even in the times of if you know what's going on what's says and there's no stero there was a two- part so is referring to the two steps one part took place when outdoors and that's when you have the BR aspect one part took place when inside the Sho so the part that's inside the Sho but what's clear is is not denying according to imense according to Mar part of the took place in and there's a outside so now he says like this so so basically what what happened here is says if you look carefully there's no in Min sort of like a two there's two aspects to the Kad that took the German of Kad he says where's the makus for this from early he says it's early from and Rashi and all this type of stuff and and basically is like this that there's a Sim to do to have why are we doing it outside so theer with his powerful he throws out the concept of so therefore they did the outdoors in front of the Stars so what's going on is like this there's says in this chva there is [Music] a so there is something behind doing it in a and that's what they did they did the the old Min which Mar Min and Frankfurt minut that he was very well aware of he was proud of being is frankfur that was when that there's an aspect to be done outside but there but but there's also an aspect to be done um so what what what's happening is like this I'm sorry I'm I'm I got lost because of the heat it it threw me off over here but I apologize but basically is like this he says is that in the r area they didn't do p they did not have this Min so therefore they did it outside so therefore when they did it outside was done of the and that was whereas the SL maril slash the mar mints they did it there was a two part one part was takad one part was Tak one part of this mind was done Outdoors okay now what what's going on in the there obviously a lot of things happening in the but he concludes with is something called of um that there's a power once it's aama there's a power of the in theama and we go with that all the way and you're not supposed to be M and everything but he says as follows he says like this he says basically is he's alluding to this whole point that the kavana of the people such as ER and others of the reform they wanted to be madama to the G so they said we want we're quote unquote hiding behind oh we're doing the mar we want to do say no even the mar and the mar they talk about they're concerned part of it was done outdoors and there's a special aspect to get a br outside from Shai now what is actually explains it I said what does that mean there's a concept based on various the which is that we do certain times we do certain and hug him we do p us down here so that we could get the bra from upstairs we do a minut um we do a PA down here and that triggers and helps get the the bra down um down here just to give one simple dgma there's a people have a so it's a school so they when they say they open up their hands so it's a it's brought in earlier sources to do to open up your hands why so it's explained is when you open up your hands it's a symbolic thing down here that causes the upstairs to to pile down here so the Sam who goes with this concept it's there's many other sources for this and it's the story behind man and interestingly enough a tal of his when he discusses the Su of being done daa Outdoors point he explains this whole thing with K because he knew about the mar I'm not sure if he knew about the at the time but anyway the point is is a aspect that that and you need to do it you do it outoors and that caus a p we outside so the shefa that comes down and that and that P so to speak gives helps cause give us this great bra but the point is we're seeing a lot of things happening with Sam for not to go through all the different aspects one is he doesn't deal with he's straight up admitting that maril is in the times in marel it was tackled done and part of it was done true okay um and you see here he's giving if you just learned or yeah it's a nice thing to do it outside the way the is understanding it he's adding in a whole new a whole new depth to it that there's that there's importance for and we find in many this is what we're doing some people say we're eating this originally it seems the might have been night just to see it others say no to eat it why because when you do a and you say it at the same time it it helps okay anyway bottom line is we have this and thiser was not as in the early years so to speak it's only published as I mentioned in the 1850s so before it's published in Hungary they Mish the whole time and they say which we mentioned because it's being m to the and they they they bring up the another issue that comes up in the various CH such as from and is this tremendous problem of prz and a is not meant to have um to be m in a and stuff like that you're not supposed to do that a behind the coved one has to have in sh eating shooing all these things should not take place in sh so therefore the got out of hand so to speak and therefore they held to to stop it okay now just to mention a few Yas um to tie to explain the different PR over here and that will be reach our conclusion like this I said so I said that this was a well done it's well documented Byer in he talks all about it but it's clear is one thing is clear were makus that they did it in fine L interestingly enough what about C the city the ra so the sources they say in crack out in the 1800 in the late 1800s they did it we are in sounding like not doing like the ra gra which according to is others did it not in sh but they did it indoors there was a special house they had this is it sounds like in Italy this was a thing that they did okay fine L I quoted earlier that um what's the Min um in Ash so the whole time I'm going my and all these people what did they do earlier so it seems clear there's plenty of makus um um reel brings down a tyus and AR from the rushil GRE brings this down and others that they did it indoors mean to say this whole or really not I'm calling because is giving us a on it but this whole concept of the of the of Doing It Outdoors only comes much later on from the but let's say t earlier on and others they are not aware of it okay Maris I mentioned earlier is a town he publishes which is attacking the various things that the reform people wanted to bring into daving and all different changes so basically he in 1859 he publishes one such safer 1861 another such safer he has a long list of over seven different things up the all different reasons for why one should not do it inside the he goes through the and one of the aspects I mentioned earlier okay now but what's happening is in Hungary the the the theim even the ones that didn't yet see the truer and especially once they do see the truer they go they fight against this minut okay which makes a lot of sense hold on um now Rebel which is ashkan Rebel which is Ash he um says also that the Min in his time and he refers to his RAB where did they do it they did it Outdoors interestingly enough when we're talking about Ash okay yeah we have them real we have them I said a few years back they published a say for which is and one of the for many people was that everyone knew was a tremendous tremendous guy but they didn't know and learning so much all of a sudden you get a bunch of chuvas of his and and it opened up to a lot of people that were pessimistic about him oh he's a philosopher he's a this that okay anyway he has two chuvas on our topic and what does he come out he goes to maril and he says he does the mining of ashas which is what to do it indoors and yeah he knows about theama but he says we go like the maril now interestingly enough even the I said he he he doesn't dismiss the maril he has and he he says what happened fine but maril as I began in the in the one of the most fundamental things for which the of the so sh is what the r does and that we said that's that's part of the discussion over here and understands it he's like okay then says Mar did it in but who just because the mar did it we should do it it sounds very strange to say such a I think In the Heat of the and the sort of that's what caused him to say such a thing because we know maril is beyond fundamental for the r okay one um just two last three last prum and we'll conclude number one what about l so first there's a fascinating Chua sa for Sher Yakov from yov he has a whole long list of reasons against doing a in some original reasons that he came up with he goes wither and he in general he has a long list over there of where of how powerful Samer minut goes now in general the L World sh some people don't realize this but the world the big they were very into the and others and over here you see this TR he also very into the Sam um okay so this true with theer the the point is theer was not going like the Mah of others that there that that that that they never that it didn't take that that there was no taking place of a in in a in the times no in the times they did and in times of the arents they did something changed okay um and another Mar about this is he says when he's talking about he brings down the and he says and then he says again this is this is because of the sensor because they want to be those that want to do the so you see what happens is is that once it gets into the work the cannon of so to speak to do it without Outdoors so says that but it's not so simple as we said the mar and the earlier M sounds like that it was done indoors okay anyway has a beautiful Chu about this and he says in Pand where I grew up in until I think it's World War one maybe outdoors and no asked about it and then he said he talks about again he brings up the prz and CH and this is going much later this is in the early 1900s okaya um um two last ideas and we'll conclude one is America so in America it became it's it's it's much more complex what happened is it really me say maybe in the 1800s there was a there was a whole Battle of Reform and the Christians the Shila is what how do you look at what is done today does it does it play a role once it change that you should not do it outdoor that sorry that you cannot do it in a and this is a question that the P can today deal with and many just go with once and all the Hungarian Pim we go with them interestingly enough abil Greenwald has whole Tru about it he was writing about someone else that wrote a tra in America where he daffa the freezing cold he did it outside and can see greenw and those in um wrote a whole TR that not a whole very interesting Tru going through that you didn't necessarily have to do okay last y this last two Yas is interestingly enough they do it indoors they did not accept this they don't have M of this minut as I said early on the whole minut of these weren't even in the library so to speak of the and earlier and he says he brings down says we don't do like this and and has all Chua he brings all the Hungarian Chas and he handles all discussion but the meaning of this was they um it seems they might even actually done it in shws um and this whole discussion was not negtive to them and then just to conclude with one last thing is that I mentioned in the past that there was AEL traveled to visit the Kim in the early 1900s and and they s they um someone wrote up a um a whole the whole travels all the stories whatever they happened and all the different discussions and and when they got to a certain K what happened was that the used to take place where in SCH was convenient and R cook um said no you have to stop it you have to he said no we you should do it outside and this was already this this sacrier of cook was found could be found in the travels of and there other letters of also going with a similar type of thing not to do it in as I said also not to do it in a um okay there's as as like every other topic there's many many other maras there's mother many other aspects to the topic but this is just a taste of some of the aspects to the story okay thank you very much Rabbi Dr elzar brat um would you like to share before we depart a brief safer I actually personally have gone out and purchased the safer from RAB aish David has a lot of fascinating information especially I see his English language vocabulary is Baran and the way he describes certain colorful description where he ties in m kazal and ideas is very very interesting yes um I actually also have looked for the book from RAB lubben the safe from R luban it wasn't in the store but they should be getting it back so thank you for those two book recommendations um anything You' like to share today yes I'll just share one brief okay one safer this came out right before yipper um it's called Sid from who from the so this safer is um how many before the even without it'ses it's over 700 pages with M and basically like this um what happened the story of the saer very briefly is that there's a m actually in Isel called Chu they publish a few for every year and they publish a weekly gillion of stuff from manuscript whatever they have manuscripts of right before y Kipper they announce um and from time to time they publish even let's say pieces from that darus they have have published a few things they own ofis theis was the was famous for being the father-in-law of cook but he was was a great G in L in the time very close with all the different and others he ends up becoming the r in he was a of and he was a Beyond prolific writer he wrote dozens and dozens of on all different topics and M I hope one day to devote a series to him all his all different things about him but what Happ he was prolific but he commat did not publish anything in his lifetime many of these items survived and they're all over the world in private hand and everything like that there are people that have them and they will not give them out and other people have them and they do give them out and from time to time works come out a few years back something like eight nine works of theis came out in one year it was known as the year of theis anyway there's been a drought of aderas for a bunch of years all of a sudden you see ipper two days before ker she says we have this massive work it's on starting fromer and a bunch of other things that he gave all types of things they have more uh material they he help to publish and this is a beautiful work for those that are interested in this type of materialis for me it was it was UN the second I got the email that they have this thing I right away emailed them and asked them it's about to be y Kipper but how am I going to have a y Kipper without having this Adis and I made them crazy till I got it um Kipper I already had it and it has materials for suus and it has material for the upcoming Kaneka and other aspects of the Year okay that was a work that I um it's a great SIM for me when I came out and just wanted to mention okay thanks for sharing that Sim during this time and again thank you for the GS for sponsoring this Sher we appreciate the dedication and may we only share good news and meet in better circumstances in the very near future thank you