[From the Archives] R' Yaakov of Lissa – The Nesivos Hamishpat

Before we begin the following episode with Rabbi Dr. Leazar, I would like to thank our sponsor who is an anonymous sponsor and is dedicating this episode as a forun for Elazer Ben Shandel. May he find his zeug very very quickly and we thank him very very much. [Music] Welcome back, Rabbi Dr. Alza Brat. It is a pleasure to be with you once again to record an episode on Raviakov Meisa. Who is Milisa? Most of the audience probably recognizes his name as the Bal Nivas Hamishbat. One of the classics for those who went through the yeshiva system. and Rabbi Brat is going to tell us why in the world he decided this is a figure he wants to speak about while we're learning with Satoskubis. So hopefully within the next half an hour we'll be enlightened. I'd like to thank our producer Asher Tesser who now has gotten these episodes onto podcasts. They're on Apple podcast, Spotify and all other platforms where you could find your podcast. So besides for them being available on old a they're available on YouTube and the podcast platforms we just recently completed two episodes on great feedback. There were over 10,000 plus views on the two episodes and we are very excited to continue. Okay. So I don't know if you're going to spill the beans yet why you have to get the nivas off your chest while we're learning subus but uh perhaps an introduction. Okay. So the introduction is like this. Um we we already started a few makas back that every ma we try to go through to have a deep dive into one particular on the ma we've done a few of these we've done for we've done so I decided from to go a deep dive into why he wrote one of the classic works on the called bakov so I've always been fascinated by him much more in in the past few years but he's one of the most famous um he wrote one of the most famous in the in the when you're in yeshiva years you learn a lot from the you learn a lot from my mishbah but and also his base yak of his tyrus gan and gan but once when you enter the world of you see that he's also um even though the the nivas is on but you learn more about him and you learn that he's tremendous he's a incredibly prolific person Um then you find find out afterwards that he's also in Tagada. He wrote on the Hagada also he wrote a perhal so I was um from this great God who lived only 62 years approximately was beyond prolific and his influence is tremendous. He's born in 1770 and he dies it's believed he's born around 1770 and he dies in 1832. Okay. So, I'm sure you're gonna why we chose further elaborate and expand on his literature. You just mentioned when he was born, when he died, maybe give us a little more context where he was, who his rebum were, who his contemporaries were as we proceed. Okay. So, first um many times I like to just throw out there when you when you give a speech, you can't write you don't have the option of footnotes. When you write an article, you have the option of footnotes to which is you're able to source out everything you say. When you speak in a way that's a benefit of speaking and it's a speaking for some. So the general literature that's out there about the nivas could be found in works from there's a work. There's a work from Raf Kemlhar Darda which has a few pages about him and in the series which has multiple biographies from Bramberg which calledos he has a whole volume devoted to these are the three main works about him in in more recent years mayor vunder in his classic work encyclopedic work on Galitzia Galitzia has a nice section on few pages and um Ravier in his book taliskin has a few pages about his method of sack which he in a lecture that he gave in Harvard takes issue with it's a small article from Yetsukdelof a biblioraphical article about the nivas and then we have like always new discoveries um in 1962 Yetsuk Lavine discovers some important letters that shed light into some aspects of his life with Rabikar which was he publishes in 1962 and to conclude there is a article from rabbitson Judith Ble about some aspects of the nivis also so this is just the general this is key the footnote to begin some of the sources um found some of these are some of the sources that helped me in my presentation but there's much more to be added um in the presentation okay now for the first thing that we we mentioned is we ask is who Who is he? We know he's born. I mentioned sorry. We know that he's um we know he's born around 1770. But who's he? Who is he? So the answer is interesting. He has tremendous eos. He's his um his grandfather was the son of the His father was a tremendous. He seems to have died either before he was even born or right afterwards. Was also tremendous. He prints Tyra of his father in one of his farming prince's fathers. And even in his savah he stresses that he has more material of his father and he wanted his children to print some of that and elsewhere he prints stuff from his father. um Lamisa he was a businessman and he was Isaac in business and like many such stories that we have um no reason to assume it's not true is many his business deals seem to have gone bad different things happened and he ends up having to get a secret career to be a rough but it seems anyway that still he wasn't um he still from maybe he had better salaries than other Rabanim and maybe he still had some money but bottom line is he be he enters the Rabanut And um he becomes a RV and he dies as a RV in and he was a RV in different places. He's active in places in Galitzia and in Puma. Now what's significant about him is is besides before we get to his um his writings and everything is let's just talk about that you asked was who's he learned by. So interestingly enough we know that he's a it's pretty clear he's a Talmud of a Mashra. Marshm is born in 1752 and he dies in 1802. He's one of those legendary gdelum in this very important kufa um which had giants um such as the night behuda shakisar the vil nag and he was one of the giants in that period of time not so much of his material survived as printed a little bit is printed but there's a nice book about him called gram hamus which has a lot of facts and also probably some fiction about migra but he was by all accounts some machadika eloy let's At the age of nine, there's accounts of him knowing all of P Yeshua by heart. Um and he was a tremendous tremendous cuddle. He imp um in learning um he impressed at the age of nine um the the clays of bride. He gave a drussa there. Okay. Anyway, he gets married at a young age um close to 13 about and he ends up a few years later he gets divorced and he remarries later on. But um interestingly enough there was some type of get issue that happened in the city of bride. He as a young age so different wrote chuvas and he wrote a chuva also and Rishay Berlin one of the great gadelum who saw the various chuvas he was most from this young person's um this young at that time the young mushulum his chuva and um okay lisa at that time the the former of mash was visiting rishai berlin and and and berlin told him this and he he he felt very bad that he and that that he lost his son-in-law, but it seems that this according to the accounts, he was too big of a kadesh. So, it's not necessarily it wasn't so easy to be married to such a kadesh. Okay, whatever the stories are about him, but he was certainly a tremendous tremendous gain um um at that period of time and and he had a tremendous impact it seems on some level with on the Nivas, but we cannot map out exactly what that impact is. We don't have so much Tyrus survives of a Michel Migra and it's not like that the Nivas quotes the name of Michelle Migra but there are stories which we'll get to soon where he does um emphasize that because I sent my my Rebi checked over my Tyra so there was something um be behind it anyway um so he mentions is a nivas he's above in different places he's in a city Kalish not Kalish of the where the Mavram is it's Kalish I believe it's called eventually in 1809 N he gets to city Lisa which is a very prominent city. He's there for 11 years and um and it seems that Kilo over there it seems he got had a nice salary and they were very happy with him. Mysteriously he in 1821 he leaves and that has been a question for many years and many different theories have been given why he leaves. But back but before we get to why he leaves how did he get the job over here? So here there's an interesting account from found in a beautiful a beautiful autobiography about Galitzia called Zinus and from Brav he he records that um the that interesting story which was as files he was as we just mentioned the nas is a talmud of who of Michelle and he wrote we know one of the earliest works that um the nas wrote is was kavadas Okay. But it interestingly enough he doesn't write his name on this work. Okay. Very good. So it seems a shila came up was brought to the attention and a shila came up which was sent from revi who was the rav of Lisa and he sent a shila to mera side to show it to his talmet and he and kitzer he ends up writing a chuva and misa is impressed by it. But not only that, it seems that he the safer kavadas also impressed him and he said he wants the author of this chuva and he and and it turns out that the author of this chuva and the and author of the kavadas is one and the same and he wanted him to be succeed and it turns out that that's who it was that's who succeeds him but anyway um he leaves in the middle of the night as I said in um 1821 after being arrived there for 11 12 years and it was a mystery why he left suddenly was he upset at something what was going on. So different theories were suggested just to mention and not to go into this at at length because I'm more interested um today in talking about his his his works not as much the history which is also fascinating and um some people like that but basically there was different um claims different theories and some of them had to do with with he had to divorce his wife as well known it seems rev revas um divorced his wife three he divorced three different he was divorced three different times there's a strange story brought down about related to this that he got divorced three times that it seems it was some type of cla kmlhar in his book I mentioned earlier darda he brings down from a mess that it seems he once visited bride and he didn't visit an uncle of his who was a tremendous hush of a person um not only not only a tremendous but also someone I guess Isaac and these type of things and he and he was very upset that he didn't visit him and he seemed to have some type put on him some type of however you understand these stories are always very hard to understand it's not it's not in my um I'm not coming here to explain them just coming to say them and anyway so it seems that that that's that they attribute this is where the cullis began that he he he was not matl he had three different wives anyway so this w so whatever it was this he had to divorce her in Galitzia he had to go back from he had to leave Lisa and go back to Galitzio. He was going to leave. This was a theory and it turns out there's more um um in 1962 he discovered manuscripts housed in Wu Kabid actually still there um a bunch of letters um and the kila of Lisa and through these letters it seems tak what happened is that he did have to he left at night he sold his belongings because he had to leave the city. He knew that he was going to be away for a year to deal with this get and and bottom line is he left um but he did want to come back and there were problems with the salary and Rabikar got very involved with this as it comes out from these letters and we see the the tre which we'll see more about soon the tremendous kesher that had with the nivas and he was trying he was trying to convince the Lisa to make sure his salary is is proper you have an unbelievable hash of such a great one of the of the time it seems they did but from these letters it it seems other things happened in the end he he never gets back to Lisa and um okay now it part of a question which is also relates to all this is was he rich or was he poor and we'll see why that plays out um but it seems it's even though he um he probably was as I mentioned he was a businessman at one point he lost some money he ends up becoming a rugby because of but he still probably retained it and it seems in some of his places he got a decent salary And one of the the important points to to emphasize this is because he prints a lot of himself. Not sometimes is other people printed for him, but he prints it himself. And that's a very significant key which we will discuss. I'm sure you could give a series going throughout the generations, right? The wealthy who are also famous as gdelum or more famous as gdelm one day. That's a series we could look forward to. And it's really isn't the case known for the opposite as being extremely extremely poor. Excellent. That is that's what I'm sort of alluding to and the famous legend about that. We're going to get to Mameish momentarily, but exactly that that's why I'm I'm just pointing it out and I'm going to talk more about it shortly. Okay. So, Adan, these are the very beerbone facts about some of his uh thing. He's a Rav and he ends up he ends up going back to to this original city that he was in Kal. He ends up um going back to a different city and that's where he dies. Um as we mentioned in sadly at the young age young I mean especially for today we were in their 90s and 100 even but at 62 years old he dies. Okay. Um so that's the very boring bare bones of his history. Now the next thing that you mentioned was what about does he have to do with any of the generation? So there's different ways how one has to do with withd um and it seems is that he had a very close relationship with many of the we already discussed but others um of note to reframe Margolus and him had a very good relationship there's chuvas between them and even margaras had a talmud who wrote a fascinating called and I just have to promote lakewood um which printed it just recent last year they reprinted Ed it it was not available for many years it's called excellent work on and this was a tal by Margaras I was to write an introduction in this edition that they printed and I later on updated the article that I wrote in the introduction over there in one of the recent editions of ishur he met the nivas personally and brings something from the so you see again a cashier of the two which m and lakewood sorry yeah so the once I'm saying it let me say it m aliat headed by Harav Shamanitz which prints every every week from what I see many different they have a beautiful alone that they put out every week um four pages of all different types of stuff I think you could sign up for free um but anyway so they printed this work with nice footnotes and everything last year yeah I see they share in the shors here at least locally in Lakewood that beautiful weekly parisha pamphlet pulling out it's not only on the para but they have something from the para pulling out piece pieces from the different that they're working on. Maybe we get on to the old para platform. We got to reach out to Rabbi Shanowitz. That's a good idea. Anyway, um so not only does he have to do he has to do with he has to do with the bacher the he seems to have a very good relationship with Yeshua Yankeev which we'll mention shortly a story about it and Rabbi Kieve and many others. um Rabie will get back to and of course we'll get back to his with his connection with now the two the the these um makers for all this can be found bramberg lists out some interesting things and so too mayor vunder and has some more material where I can see his connection with the vious of his time two other aspects which I'm not going to be dealing with is because it's very hard to know about him line what is and how many did he have mean say we see he's active rav in a few different cities um that littleetal but more importantly he's a amazing mabber which is what the main focus of this presentation is going to be about but he seemed to have had but how many is always very hard to tell um and who these tid were but he definitely had tid okay now before we go further I before we go further um to put in perspective who this okay we everyone heard the nivas and we he we see now that he's has to do with all Okay. But there was a a marmakum that a friend of mine Ellie Markham pointed out to me a few years back which I whenever I think about it and I read it again and again um I'm always fascinated by it and that is as follows. One of the um he ends up meeting the nivists in what year? In the year 1810. Okay. He meets um the nivists and he says he describes the meeting that he brought with him. Uh he meets him in Lisa. This is Mameish right before he's we discussed earlier he left mysteriously a year later. So it's right before he says and he looked inside my work. Okay. So you see the you have to understand is we're talking about a man that was and he's writing on him. So now they're already but he's writing he's calling him what's significant because a sentence later he says we say the not not not not strange to us that that was good friends with but there he doesn't use a interest he doesn't use this lion of he says who was a so you see he's He's using incredible ashyness on the great nivas. We find here from a person who was around who knew people who saw and he writes this about um the nivas. I found that very fascinating this maramak. Okay. Now um so now that that's um just to put in perspective. Now let's get down to the now down to business. What is it about the what is it about the nivas that makes him so popular and famous? So interestingly enough in the makuger was originally known as the was he was brought in to be the darian of the ear embro before he becomes rav and adian and prolific he was prolific already then but he gave a hespit on the nivas after he is nif and he says a f he says a sentence he gives a beautiful but he says a line which I found fascinating based on all what I saw put in perspective what what I saw in this line um what I'm about what I'm going to say after you see this line it will make more sense he says like He says basically what made him so um famous is his and his now um similarly we find that his grandson and Talmud of his Ramim also a Raven Galitzia who wrote safer um Ram he also when he talked He in the to the he puts out after the nivas dies he also writes about him that the nivas was something that he had more than that his were accepted everywhere. Um and not only that and as we'll see shortly is he was given and he um basically there was no area that he didn't write about and and taking in perspective these two things now we I would like to discuss his writings and to show the tremendous impact and what's interesting about the nivas is many and this is I um lastd and then we'll get down to the to actual is that many their impact is not their impact could be during their lifetime through different ways. Sometimes they have big yeshivas and sometimes it's through they they get involved in very big um controversies and they become known and sometimes it's through their writings but many was not through their writings be for example just to give one off the cuff he doesn't print anything in his lifetime he becomes famous afterwards how many people heard of him in his lifetime the vil nag nothing of his is printed in his lifetime today who didn't hear of the vil naggy the nivis in his lifetime is be is beyond famous and as I'm going to explain I have to stop you here. You mentioned the mug of Ram. You have to tell the audience what your catch to the Mugan Ram is. Aren't you a doctor because of the Muganav? I don't know. I can't I can't blame the mug of Ram for anything. But I did write a doctorate amongst other things. It's mostly about the Muganav. So obviously that's why the first thing that comes to my mind is is going to be the mug of one track mind as they say. Anybody wants to see anything that you wrote on the mug of Ram? Is it available publicly? Some things are some two three chapters are available. Email [email protected] for more information. Yeah. Okay. So anyway, bottom line is um he becomes famous in his lifetime and I'm going to give some illustrations to this in the next uh parts. But what's the first thing that comes to mind as we mentioned right away in the beginning is everyone who learns in yeshiva at least knows about the namishbot. What's mishbut? This is a classic work on so I'm not going to get into all the details of all the biblioraphical information about it and the method of learning in the nivas and what's going on with the nivas verse is yidid as that's how the interestingly enough refers to the nivas in the m of nivas who and now the nis is older than the nivas theis is born in 1745 he dies in 1812 and he wrote and then comes along the nivas and he writes nivas comes along the the and he writes to answer up the problems that raises is he says that um he says that someone was he looked into carefully he's calling him his friend this is not in any form which Maybe some folklore might say there were enemies even there. I think there are some legends whatever but had no this was a lashim there's no problems whatsoever these twoaram um they go at it as they say but they are is calling him you did anyway then later on we know answers this up and but this is not the my main focus is maybe maybe perhaps in um in the sik to talk more about the and the particular made in that area of Mishbar doesn't play so much over here but just to mention um a draft is that um besides for emphasizing this thing that they were that they were good friends they're actually it seems and this is it's found in this autobiography I mentioned earlier they're buried next to each other and this and this the hadenzel was again helping printed that wasn't printed by him um this raenzel um also was in good connection with the nivas. He helped him out. It seems at one point the nivas was going to even go to Israel. He was so upset from different um things that happened. But anyway, point is that the nivas got along great. Now there's two but just over here to mention two. One is that Rafuk in a beautiful piece that he wrote a short piece about Rafuk he he uh sorry Rafuk writes in a short piece about the following. He says um we the and the in their brought something new with with hegy into the world of learning. He gives he's listing those three names and the world they they when they want to map out who the people who started so to speak whatever this story of revolution of they attributed to the naser and of course we have to throw out there we have to emphasize is that this is galatiana yeden and yakashi yen um the yaki and um okay Prussia also But he's he's sort of a yaki and niv is is and are both delers. So it didn't start in this m in learning although maybe it did tributing with the shagasar and more but that's not for now. Anyway there's one story that because this is a story very well known and you alluded to this story earlier ra as follows. Um they say a story that the was asked it seems by the nivas and as I said they knew each other they they definitely had it's definitely possible and they knew each other well what the it seems according to the way this story goes is why was the nivas asked them why was your safer more m than my safer now um the the it's a story set over I can't say if it's true or not I don't know it's brought down by the is where he says that his father heard this from the labb. Now this the conversations of the sorry of the labb and that the records has been discussed a ton um as a general rule when you start up with lababich you'll never end the come out of the woodworks I do not want this discussion today to be focused and sidetracked to to this um discussion but there's a lot been written about itshine wrote about it there's various articles even in more recent issues of the um a person in a work that I had a lot to do with um from Hincken um came out a book on called so in the back there's a chapter where he deals with if we could trust some of these the these conversations that theima says over that his father had with but anyway in the course of that conversation in those conversations is also discussion about he's saying over the story of the nas so what would but Okay, with that without that sidetracked, what's the bottom line of the story? The story was that basically the um says that um he asked the na what happens when you learn you see I write down my Tyra I wake up the next morning I go on okay the the says okay I wake up in the morning and what do I do I over what I did the night before and I check carefully and it could be that I might have made a mistake and then I'll erase and go on. So that's why my safer is more um now it's very hard to know that that's the the reasoning. Um it's it's a very hard statement to know because as it's going to come evident from the course of this um presentation the work is I I it's so destic all the time. I don't, you know, I'm not capable of saying who's bigger. I don't know if anyone could say who's bigger, but they're both have there's a tremendous order to both of them. But another point that's said over is something to the fact that that it's also that the that the nivas was wealthier and the was poor. So that also attributed it to it. Um I think in one version that I have seen was something to the effect that he writes it under a cold he writes it under a blanket. the incas freezing where the nivas wrote it Baravhus as we said the nivas had money at least in some of the times even though he lost his money in businesses but all this is was called folklore interestingly enough that there's a different story which goes the other way which is like this that the Yeshua Yankeev was also a great god of that period of time who was very him and the nivas got along Yeshua Yakov asked the nivas why is it that your spar are more famous than mine and he said and his answer was because I bring my khadushim to my rebel after I write them. But that could only explain a certain amount. I'm saying is dying in 1802 and and as we know the nas is beyond prolific from the year 1802 and onward. So what is the um behind that story? Anyway, as we as I've said in the past, we can cautious of these are folklore in the yeshiva world and we don't want to tamper with them and there's probably some truth to some aspects of them. Okay. Anyway, that's the that's the just to knock off the but obviously this needs much more beer. Okay. Now here for the main part the main focus of our conversation um to get going over here and that's a story like this. He writes many different works. So we already throughout there that he writes a work called this is a work of his um anyone who's learning ina areas of malika ribbis and this is a is one of the most important works on these areas quoted there's nothing to talk about it has a tremendous impact it seems that as I said he did when he first printed it he didn't have his name on it why not that's part of the thing is that he was a tremendous unoff Now his ad has been of that he wrote already to that has been quoted often and it's kadai just to say over some points of this and that is um I basic basically he says that I I know I'm I'm nothing um but I and I didn't write this for galas at all just to and it's not and I'm not even a I'm not I wrote it so like a that's done is and you should be to see and just like we say so people should be into what I say and see if what I say um is um is valuable is useful but not it's not he wrote it it's a safer learning which is very interesting and this has been quoted by many different um um that they they don't know who's the first person who says such a thing you write and I'm not pasing But the fact is probably instantly became safer on is either people don't read the or they ignore it. They say he's an whatever it is. But this is used by some other start to use and sayd the famous of the we just did 10 episodes. How many times did you mention that at the beginning of his not the pasin? Is it the same idea? So I so I I'm still looking for where's the the earliest source, but I know that the nivas is famous for it and I'm positive that the nivas had some type of ashba on Kyfki in this pr and and other aspects but I still don't have you say who where did the nivas get this from? I'm still research is ongoing as I like to say but definitely that is a valid point um with it. Okay. Another safer that he puts out um besides that that that as I said has it's put out again eventually it's put out the of Lisa sponsor it again and it's put out with a beautiful um a beautiful three pages about him from and eventually his name is it's released to the public that it was him. Okay. But he doesn't back off of his original where he's saying it's not. Okay. whatever that however to explain that another safer he writes is called this is a legendary safer in areas of pes it doesn't get through all areas of pes but in areas oft it's considered very um it's very it's an intense safer in certain in the c earlier in to learn um now interestingly enough in the back of the safer he also prints his aurus on the taz and on the magnavon where he goes through them very carefully Harris where you see him being very sensitive. It's known that there's a lot of mistakes crept into the mugram and the taz also and he he corrects them and there's a lot of valuable information but it's it's interestingly enough it's not so well known this it's buried in the back of um so it doesn't get it proper this is one of the works I would say that doesn't get proper credit um out there interestingly enough in the original edition of the mayim he also printed of his father and cryos he printed a small little contress relating to yanim of hilas aven And um just to mention one cute thing that I found interesting because as he mentioned that I'm I'm fond of the so he throws out there in in um simal he's asking about aa in babakama and then he brings down the and he's asking a question on the mav and he says that the mav is himself because the manav what's very not known wrote a parish on And it's published we have we have some of it on on um above us and he says the parishes of that the wrote that's Amsterdam the maf and it's a so I found this very amusing that that the picked up on this asking his which no one knows about okay anyway um like everything else today there's a beautiful new edition of the with the footnotes okay fine that's That's moving up now getting closer to our um the excuse of the topic of why we're talking about it today relates to his work bas which is on which is on um and now this work there's a few just short points to point out one is it's a there's also a tremendous dish on it has a whole section on running on which is not unusual because we already discussed already from the mishbotas these works that he's very interested also in there's also tremendous dog on using which has a tremendous importance but we're not going to get into that right now he's also in the such as the okay anyway there's beautiful additions of these works today and same thing with his work it became a classic work which is also we see a tremendous usage of into also has a whole section on of um of gitan. So we see him again where even in the mas that he's writing a running perish on but plays an important role in his worldview. He also prints a small safer called kalisakov and this kahisak has uncomplet must been uncompleted work on other areas of and also okay some of his works that are more famous but then there's a work of his that I would say this work is what makes him takes him into a whole different to a whole different audience he becomes famous for that audience and that work is the derim the deraim where is the when is the derim printed Dim is first printed in 1828. What is the Dim? And that is a very um interesting discussion that I would like to discuss um right now and that is as follows. Um as we said he's very into so he's very into and means. So before we we um um get to the aspect of I would like to sidetrack for a second and jump to that I was going to talk about at the end and that is his there's a fascinating thing about different that we have is that we some we have their and their is a great window to see interesting things about them and there's been a lot written about people have collected tavas even have been printed published collected and shalom has two volumes of different and some could be a work and some it could be work. So one of the famous that are out there is the ina which has about 30 different sections something like that. So the just to throw out there in the beginning she wrote an article about this and she also translates into English because some people like English um different parts of the but the can be found in different places and some additions of the which we're talking about now and basically in this um already right away in the beginning he talks about the importance of learning um And then in the next one says and you should be careful when does the areas of come up? You can't ask anyone. So you got to know about it. And then he throws in which we'll get which we're talking about already now which is the so so we see already a tremendous impact of not only impact more the emphasis of which we've seen in his works up till now the um let's say even in his work the ban and his work the tyrros that there's aspects there's emphasis in these works so he emphasized this in his to his children And so too is that's one of the concerns and that's what he's saying over here. Okay. Now what's let me just give some background. So in 1828 he prints um a it seems and in the he has mish everywhere all the come up what to do in let's say us right away as you go along you don't have to turn anywhere you don't have to turn to the back if it's in that spot it says what to do what's it based on what's these um what's this uh hold on one second what's the work based on what's the makyus that he uses. So he already writes in in one of the in the sh one could find in the first edition. It's it's a le from the taz magnav alaba and primad. Okay. So he it's pretty much clear in the in the outset what it is that he's doing. He's making a um straight up. So someone should have without having to you're going to be stuck as he says in the you're going to be stuck in a situation where you can't ask a rail. So you have straight up what to do. And where is the makers from? These four tremendous makers. Okay. Now is it that he's being maka in areas? The answer is he definitely is. Um although he plays it down, but already in 1829 in a chuva that he that he was asked um from someone about two different things. We see clearly that there is um his there is originality and his own take on certain things throughout the safer. But it it requires to see to see it. However, it ends up happening is from 1828 it's printed endless times in Sedurum. But the problem becomes is that because something is printed so many times, mistakes creep in and things attributed to him that he never wrote are attributed to him. And because people were trying to fine-tune it and add stuff to it already in the years of um the before he prints his he he publishes um additions to material in the and an addition is released with the and everything with his additions to stuff that he feels maybe that the nie is left out or forgot to put in whatever whatever is behind that. He writes about this in his in introduction why it is but you see how significant it is. Now in the 10 years it's printed about seven eight times until today it's endless how many times I don't think it's possible to even list but it's I would say venture to say hundreds of times it was printed again now is a complete but even today certain sedurum have it um now what what the significance is is like this when you when you go there's a lot of significance to this nuda and I'm not going to go through all the aspects I'll regular just like this first Um let's say if you look at as I said his good friend gives him and he says um he's helping everyone even and he um so you see that the the the the how the kashivas of this inve how looks at this already then now but even more than that goes and writes dozens of on this interestingly enough like everything else they're printed in numerous different places um and as recent in a recent journal called fromui that's printed in the year about uh less than 10 years ago They publish what that they claim based on a manuscript that they have the most of on their um um they have 100 up till now they said it was only in some places they knew maybe maximum was 80 but the point is something like 100 not only give a tremendous he goes through very carefully the world of doesn't need any but not that the not that the needs as but his good friend goes through it and it's beyond significant now but What's the significance? The significance is like this and this is just to add into what the nas himself says in many times someone's you could be a middle ding. You can't go ask what to do. Here he has all the different things straight up instead of having to run to go get a look whatever and many people they can't even do that. Here you have a kids are safer um put in front of you. Um now interestingly enough already early on he was interested in doing this. Not only besides that we emphasize that he's very into learning and he and and his farm have a major slant but in his pes which he puts out back in 1801 I believe is the first time it comes out he in one of the earliest editions he puts in hilus a whole kress which later on gets put into the day um that's out there he also has a massive contress on mutzah which is not something that comes up while you're dinging But he but if you look in many editions there's a whole conscious on on mukah where is that from that was already in 1801 or one of the earliest editions of his he puts in that conscious in the back. So you see he was always interested in that people should have a kiter safer of because you there's many times a situation you're not going to know what to do and you're not going to be able to ask about it. So so that's one point that and but the point I'm also trying to bring out is it has impact it's printed hundreds of times everywhere. Now the Mishna Bura and his uses it. He emphasizes that he's using this this but everyone um it became accepted everywhere I would say in all circles um litfax all everyone accepted it now and and also I mentioned is that the the went ahead and he already he um used he adds in he prints an addition of with his additions now there's all different additions with they say additions that the nivas add in later times I'm not getting into all the the the nitty-gritty of that I don't know if there's a proper job ever done on this but point is we have a on many areas of a a handbook what to do bottom line based on from the nimus and as I said it gets a it has a tremendous impact out now that there's a tremendous asama from one of the of the time of galitzia in in a 1833 edition from Rapaort and he also says um he says So he's emphasizing that in his so you see um what we're seeing over here is and that's the of said in one sentence when he gave his husb are endless that and and through this forget about the not everyone opens up because it's it's above their their madrega but the was printed in in so many different sudurim and so it has this tremendous tremendous impact at the time. Now just to be um just to be this with three four um tidbits is like this the the the is so significant the writes in a letter one of his main sources for his safer was the u another thing is I mentioned the mishnab but are written that's one of the ways you could see the success of a safer is when are written on it already way back there's a beautiful we mentioned in the in the episode on the on ku so the same author has as I say for deriv which he has also beautiful additions and materials adding on to the nivas and looking in the world of and as I said with royer there's also that okay um Justin with two other prum about this is that there's a legendary um there's a sort of like a story that people like let me see if I can find it hold on um story that people like to say over that might be behind um behind the printing of I'm not convinced it's behind the but there's there's definitely truth to it and that's as follows. Um they say there's a story that the the BI who was also divorced his first wife. Um what happened is he was in shu and it was and he was asked uh it was shabas and he was asked which peel do they say because they're not taking the lulv um what what's going on and pash didn't know he's he was aid that learned in he never looked he didn't know the theim and basically from there people start this guy you're saying that he doesn't basic they say a similar story when he was avoid some basic question and and Aaron Fryman um is quoted by bynown that this is the reason for the nivas also that basically people were asking um basic questions and people didn't know and now there is some truth to this and you could see this in the hagda of the nivas um not that there was a particular story that happened but that's what it is it's to make available um what today we every you know in jewels especially more and more you grab the lu the lu in America from was the l to kashinsky now there's another luak and there's a few lu depending on what sh you are and depending on whatever because a lot of times there's and there's no time to go run and look it up so you need to have a safe as I said this said on the on on the niv unbelievable stuff okay anyway that that's that's a legend and the last nakuda which relates to the legend a little bit is in a book called Mi Minsk that was written by about the the great literatur Pearlman. This book was written by Mayor Halpern a tremendous himself. So he records a conversation. It seems that when he when the Minsk got his job in in Minsk. So balabatical upset at him they asked him questions he mocked he he would push them off you know similar to the question that the bi got questions that some today also don't like but want to know what to do um questions that could be found easily in a luak but rav is more interested in giving uh he's more interested in a complicated mishbil or something like that he's not interested in in these in what they um these small little shilas what they call anyway so so he seemed to like push off balabatum they were getting upset mad at him. And so someone gave him advice. A guy in this in the city told him, "You should learn the specifically." And when someone comes ask you a question, just mention you saw the but you hold differently and they'll respect you more. And interestingly enough, it's a whole beautiful story. It's there's a lot behind this story. He listened to the advice that he got from this balabas and people were much less upset at him because they saw you know because because they were getting nervous it said rabbi how could you come out and say something like that and my which has the as you said it's printed everywhere um you're going against it anyway this is um the that's the impact of the safer um just a few more um last minute things is like this he also writes a parish on the five mgillis which is also very very very very um and it's printed in standard in many standard mc each one has its own introduction um and it's considered amazing by many people now another of his that he wrote if it's not enough that he has anus and he has a and now I'm saying he has the migillas and he has different he also has which is considered from the best out there in recent years a fellow go rabbi goldberg He's printed it five different times. Each one he's tracked down all different things about it. Um um I'm not going to go into all the different aspects of it. Time is short so we want to finish soon. But basically is that he he uses the twoem and then he runs from there. It's an incredible oriented but he also shows once in a while and kabala and yed inim can be found his yada can be found in this work and in his other works. Um anyway um and and as I said um this work from this edition of Goldberg of this Rabbi Goldberg he's put it out literally five times. It's a beautiful addition to see he um this is printed so after he dies is a safer alot which is maladish also again here we also see usage of which is for some people consider very unique and his which is onarus of shas also is printed. Um in recent years more discoveries have been found with new notebooks with tons of more material less than 10 years ago put out such an addition where they redid the misstat and the nakas and his drus and with new lots of new material and footnoted edition. Excellent. Very now what's interesting is um and this is the the last two segment the last two segments I would like to talk about is as follows very briefly is we're talking about what about chuvist we have chuvus from him interestingly enough his his um an writes that he that his um his grandfather the nivist is always upset he did write chuous but he but he never preserved them and he had karat always that he didn't. So you see even though he was so into writing about chuvy we don't have there's one famous chuva of his that's quoted in the reform um um controversies which was printed in the which is recently printed it's printed in many different places we're not going to go into that chuva right now and um so from all this one could see what what what struck me so much about the nivas before we get to the to the last nakuda and that is we see a person who was beyond prolific in all areas of tyra and most of these works came out not once not twice twice in his lifetime. This this helped him get so out there in his he talks about using so now we're not talking about today if they quote the or not literally in that period of time right after he writes this we have the margles we have the we have the we have the we have the all them saying oh we know just recently came you see right away he puts out something he's in his low30s at this time and It's becoming famous. It's becoming discussed. This is something very unique that doesn't happen to so many um um and he was not he was just a rav he was he was a rav an active rav and he did write chas which we don't have but his changed the face of now the last thing I would like to discuss um um which I mentioned already is and in this um as I'm saying is that he was very fond of discussing that you have to know about he also discusses that you should learn and we see he's writing He also mentions one should learn to um and no tillum and that's very interesting um very posit also talks about dinging how important ding is and we see and in general the is also beautiful what about he does say to learn but he's very anti-learning so that's also interesting he talks about make sure to know all these and these are all interesting because these are things that he wrote all about um okay now the last last um um thing to throw out theory that became famous. He says it in he says it in some of his um and says it in some of his and he says it also in some of his of his and that is um that this is a very famous concept. It's he is given he gets the kashivas that he's the person who said this that basically a safer is valuable. Don't be so pessimistic about a safer as long as there's one good thing in the he says this in a certain he says in some professor in has a whole chapter about it where he traces all about it he does say that because probably had impact in recent years but it goes way back there's different of it like everything else it was originally printed as an article in and this is something he says in there's many things one could learn from we we're just trying to finish right now. And the point is um I think I gave over a little bit how this prolific author had a tremendous impact on the world of Tyra in all areas. Um and that's all I have to say for today. Okay. Thank you very much. That's all you have to say. We're looking forward to hearing a lot more on other topics. I say every episode that you give for 58 minutes to an hour can be really be four or five hours worth of of episodes in a series. But I like the idea. We got to get back to the the rich cadum in history. I'm sure it's fascinating to see each one. One of them one one of your heroes. No, the rash and the rash's son. Yes, the rash. Rash's son. But al margus my I've written almost a whole book on him. So he was definitely what was called the the rich god had. Right. Okay. Thank you very much. I will be back. Anyway, thank you for listening. Yes.