Derech Emunah: Using New Manuscripts of Rishonim Part 2 | Rav Chaim's Seforim Explored

[Music] welcome back Rabbi Dr liezer brought it is a pleasure to have you back as we proceed with season two on this foreign on all kinds of topics they're available reach out to myself through by brought and we are happy to work on setting those up as well so remember it's going to start with a recap what we discussed last time we started discussing the topic of using new restraining for manuscripts we discussed his usage of them and their hamuna that's where primarily we see the most usage of manuscripts new manuscripts we started discussing a little bit what has initialed about it the mission of Brewer what he did so we're going to recap where we ended off last time and continue from there look so basically I'm going to recap what I try what I'm trying to do this season um the beginning of the season um with what I did a little bit last week what I'm going to do today and some other episodes as one learns through this Farm of kenyevsky it keeps coming up besides his incredible um ubiquis in all the babbly rushalmi etc etc incredible knowledge and we shining but there's not just the standard ritzvah rajbaramban but appears he he uses everything he gets his hands on that's reshine them even some manuscripts that were just printed or about to be printed it's well known and we will discuss much greater length what exactly it hasn't holds but it just for lack of anything else just that he was not he was anti-using new works of recycling so reply kanyevsky who has I've Illustrated in the past season is one of the greatest tomodam of the khazanish it's funny that he's doing such a thing um now before taking a deep dive in on you know into understand the Khazana shashita I want to show and I did already starting last week was that he got this from the time was famous for bringing Nuru China and last week we discussed specifically his you should his usage of the newly printed arsarua and the miiri now today I will hopefully get to is showing that it's not only but it's there's a there's other precedent for such things now I began with two examples I spoke last week was about darzuru and Amiri so before um going to the third example just to mention to tighten up a little bit more about what I spoke about I mentioned that the Miri gets bad Flack he's not um certain people because even though shyness about him this is but a listener um sent in from a letter where where he's specifically talking about the Miriam in araven that is and he brings down from admirachi peace he doesn't trust these memories there's too much earlier it means there were some theories I've already mentioned already in the late 1700s sometimes start coming out but this is what this is a brisker messiah now I don't um claim to be able to argue on briska Messiah I don't come from that school and I never heard I don't where I come from and Myra bam and different people did not go with such a do not go with such a shita however not only is the briskers or briskers I mean say briskers of art Israel briskers in America seem to have held this sharp language um it seems there I have heard alsoever of Maisha Feinstein also was not so enamored with dimiri however even if that is true one if one reads for example well recommended to read ribs Evan has a series of at least five reviews on various massacres of the Miri that came out or as I mentioned last week with some of the materials if you read these reviews you could begin to understand the the importance of the Mii bakla there have been attempts where some people to put it down but I'm not getting into that one one marimakum about this relating to of Maisha Feinstein is what one of ramesha Finds Its greatest talmudum was a year reminiscent Alpert reminiscent Albert interestingly enough he put out the miiri on Baba matsya with footnotes and when you read the Harry writes how an unbelievably important putting out the work specifically of the Miri is it's very strange and um it's not strange he writes amazing things about the Miri about the importance of it the importance of learning in the sugya it's kadai to read the shyness I'm not going to for lack of time but at the end of the piece even says a lot of things I spoke over with who with ramesha Feinstein about about this so before you tighten up the arzarua how would I listen or be able to differentiate let's say they want to follow this biscuit masera between a new me even only EVC I have myself here this set of Miri there are other meeries just basically describe what's the new and what's the old so it see it's that I I I it's here that I cannot explain and I'm not familiar with the world of brisk the world of risk um I actually think that they will come out that most of them eeries is not relevant for them according to this according to this I guess maybe the Miri on Magilla I remember is very early on and a few a few other masakis but most are not so according to that most of that set would not be relevant if someone's going with the Messiah of brisk okay but anyway um as I said we're not having we're not having an episode devoted to the movie specifically it's well worth to study into the movie all different aspects but just to mention um some opposition and a little bit more about it now just to mention two other points relating to this to me and relating also to our zurua randomly while looking into some other things pulling out the martial incredible great literature or tuba safer called chuva samudi not only the uh is he a a specialist for Chicago from um 100 years ago or so ravalia Seth was fascinated by the safer you'll see it had unbelief Israel eisenstein's name not so much as known about him he was arriving somewhere in Russia but um he had unbelievable bikinis I mean quotes meteories often Nuri shanim as we'll see more but but the specifically darzarua and the same point that we mentioned last week of if you have a mug enough where Morgan of rums had asked questions on the Rama he says if you open up them if you now that we have we would like to have that it helps understanding it so we see in this little Chicago also similar to what I mentioned from another tremendous look for Chicago 1904 which we're going to discuss a little bit more about him soon is called zekrinerson from a rabbianism ableman it's incredible incredible safer in the litficial world they say map by heart anyway he also similar points he uses the Miri often um the ones that he had and about he specifically has a chuva where he talks about uh maramins and he talks about and he says basically to Baltimore didn't have darzuru and that's what caused them to have a wrong understanding they were based on earlier quotes had one had the complete Ursula like we have a lot more will come to light anyway those are just some brief points obviously A Lash could be discussed on all that and now we get to move on to our main part of today you had mentioned last time three so you mentioned we find brought all over I mean it's Broad and Rich so what's with is actually a very interesting story I'm going to say it as brief as we could right now in the time that we have and that is as follows gets and and we can actually quote a beautiful piece I hope shortly from the Hasan ish about the significance um is is printed on the side of the gamara and we're going to discuss when it gets printed right now so first he dies in 1028. okay great so it's pretty early now this safer of Urbana is relatively new when does it become when does it become available to us on the side of the gamara only in the 1880s basically when chass Vilma is out when they finally get to to publish their shafts they try to get all different improvements on um whatever if they get new materials and they get one of the things they have on the side is okay we'll talk about that more in a minute but before we get there as you said when you learn when you learn gemara we shine and tysus you come across his name rather often but what's interesting is it's always from a cliche name and say the Russian had such Messiahs but they never we don't have we never had a safer until the 1880s pretty much a little before um we don't have rabi new Tam oh sorry we don't have Robin now we don't have fur as it called clear recent now um what's what happened is that already in the 1830s the famous Moscow which we already mentioned in a different episode cheer he when he was working about writing about the guy named he already noticed as I said from quotes also and he collected and he wrote a lot about but all this was based on CLI Cheney um and and everything about him until even the 1830s as I said was all through cliche what happens is that it gets published in the Shas film now and when it's published it's unbelievable it causes the the were fascinated by it just to mention Ed of the past Century in the literature world so he wrote a Hebrew as you do on the rambam numerous numerous times he brings one time he says he's trying to explain the rambam so what's the significant thing in understanding is we know the ramam had earlier Messiahs that go back to the rabbinell is a step is very is this close to the Dynam as as we could get um another place he says another time Darth says the rambam so any and I when I came across this many years ago I was actually shocked how many times he brings it down and he brings down many times interestingly enough he's not only look for sure um godo who's using him at this point in time when the chass film is coming out I just mentioned the different I just mentioned they also handles it the native who interestingly enough in the late this is coming the shots film is coming out in the 1880s it comes out and the conclusion is 1886. the native already only has a few more years being active so most of his writings has been written already we still find him using him so you see that the lutfish um are using it often mishna Brewer 120 times at least according to um searches uses and to help him and understand this okay now what is the significance of Rubina so I'm not gonna again we're not gonna spend a few this point I'm just going to quote as fouls I mentioned that cheer was the the go-to place to talk about when Canal was sheer afterwards what happened is that a lot happened a lot more discoveries we saw aftershance vilna there were major discoveries with Rabino khanano and they from ignizo fragments and stuff like that so bam Levin Robin which we will get to Amir tashem more about him but he in his collection of his work called it's he has a special section devoted to Robin hanano because it's a mystery of going and in many of the volumes a special section of new materials now so what's so significant beside once we sorry once we have um we have from these new materials that as I said Shear doesn't have that anyone really write up about them so in the 1990s um shraga Evenson the great literature who was also a uh from London originally but he was a um a professor in Hebrew University and he was an expert in Guinea and he put out a whole book on Robin hananos printed in the 90s but it reads more like a card catalog it's fascinating to read it's printed by regular from press vac shell was nine I think it even might be available till today more recently a good friend of mine um Joseph dubovic wrote a doctorate on Robin hanano we are based on all the new materials which is which we have much more actually from when tracker Amazon was um cataloged um new discoveries as a matter of fact this has published through vac shell a whole new rabbin on Shabbos and some other masaktas and he wrote a whole doctor about it and we and he writes the doctor is to show the hashiva server so it's not so just to quote uh two three sentences it's the first running Parish that we have on bavly in his in his in the in this Parish deals a lot with he translates strange words in Aramaic Arabic Greek sometimes he had he also sums up a lot of times he brings down garlic material and he but he also talks about he also talks about guiding material so he's a great Messiah for gynec material and most importantly for many people is he brings a ton of Irish only okay so so significance is the a lot of times all of a sudden he also will preserve a gear so all of a sudden you're looking on the side of gemara you're taking for granted that we always that they always had it no it's only from 1880s and onwards this Hebrew witch gets into the mishna Brewer etc etc now um just to mention two more practice I came across a while back rabies of Cairo as the well-known had a Magid that came to him however this Maga works and this maggot says when it's talking about the rambam I'm translating based on the Hebrew translation the the magnet of isasive is an Aramaic but here it says it's based on your size every shining we see how significant the gear size of Robin are also understand the rambam this is already a magnet or very sorry so I have not really seen that quote I came across this anyway point is this was used Etc just one other Macar is you have a revermelia captain wrote a parish how to make a new Parish on chess with the multiple parts what throughout the um his period his sample um throughout this um write-up where he writes how one should go about writing a parish and learning chess he has all different examples he also shows different pieces of this Robin Canal recently printed helping in different sogus anyway bottom line is how does this come to exist how does it get published it gets published through the help of um the 2K cipherim which eventually we will get back to him also um now who is the Magi of the scribor represent one of the dailym at the time he writes specifically in Sachem and other places how he's the magia and it seems also and um okay anyway fine now it's at the end of the day haznish points out more than once more than twice that he says as follows so and then he talks about this he and he says what we will get to about it but he says um that there's a problem with the hatakas of the khibor and that is a lot of mistakes crept into it so to speak okay this is what the haznish writes more than once more than twice and we will get back to it um now but as I said I'm going to quote to give us more also um about the significance of as it's quoted in the reshinen so it has we find very often we shine them when they refer to her when they say so what's going on he says he never says anything is so it must be it can't be like that what's going on he says but to argue on him I'll smack rice breweries that was you could be you could do but that's what I mean what it means is that explaining that he had a certainty he's a certain chain a link back and that's the truth we see this very much is he's a link back to the guy name and that's what helps make him so significant anyway um just to wrap up two more very uh two more sentences about him I mentioned the past that has been printed his letters between so in one of the letters um actually sir writes based on a rock that was just printed you could be me or somewhere who I said already anyway he was into there so he's in trouble so then we find here he says no it has nothing to do um what you want to bring is not at all relevant to the conversation he doesn't see what you see I don't see what you see in this okay um and this Robin Canal plays and just to conclude with one last point one of the um editions of verbena Canal that's come out as its own footnoted Edition it says that one of the piske de Renu this is going back um 20 years ago says something that based based on arabina khanano um it would in a certain situation it would be Usher tomorrow to do a Milan Chavez now and he's so Rabbi Maisha Lipschitz writes this isn't this could be found in a safe housing current that was put out um basically he writes that it's not telling you who this godle is but this godle was none other than Russia is like this okay so bottom line is that we're seeing is that we're actually seeing the Khazana actually gives us understanding in as the way we shine and bring it down but as the newer version of Rabino khanano all these manuscripts I mentioned the mishnabura and various went with that and this could go on and on but we have to move on okay a couple things before you move on where were you reading from that you were quoting where is that so this is okay um also mentioned as you were speaking so you mentioned that uh quotes very fond of the remaining then you mentioned the maggot I remember when I was in Yeshiva you told me the same thing that the rambam was very connected to the Urbana Canal right they said a lot of them you mentioned two was that something that was a scabble like that so that that that always was unscato I mean say way back without even using the magular base yes if the people have said it so but they were only using let's say that the raspberry will bring down once in a while but here this was now we have a ton more material so yeah okay um two more names you mentioned a bunch of names but I think two names you mentioned that from Elia Kaplan very quick biography on him I know he's someone who's uh right it's not it's it's not like to mention him in such a so quickly but he's a fascinating character which we hopefully have to get back to one day so that's what I was pointing out it's in a different realm than a lot of other names that you mentioned right um and if he said that the villain Market he was okay this is the minions which also needs his own he also which I've quoted I actually quoted him in last episode that he's the cloud very into printing every shining him and knowing the printing dates and everything every shade him in his introduction to aitas farm so here he one of his jobs it wasn't he didn't get enough of a salary being a dying he was he worked as a media amongst he was amongst other people that worked there okay excellent so let's move on I know you want to speak about so far you've mentioned but you know as you've done many times in your other episodes is give a historical context you know of how things develop so please fill us in historically you know will we see even earlier um manuscripts of other recent name that were being used by let's say other good Island throughout the generations so so I want to give an example this is a a name that everyone knows from pretty much in the beginning of when one begins learning Tam so when you learn tysis a lot of times you hear this there have been a time or safer safe in our yashar when what's the story with this safe yashar so interestingly enough again tysis quotes it otherwise pieces from it but when does it come when do we actually have the safer turns out in 1811 is the first time in a version a printed version of the safer comes on the market the safer when it comes out it has and it's put out by a Diane and prestberg of some of those very much Daniel I forget his last name right now anyway it's put out okay fine now so you'll see it wasn't used at the time so the answer is interestingly enough that reframes Alma magolus wrote ichibor called our yasher which he held was full of Corrections and burum based on the safer Yasha robinutan that just came out and throughout his writings he used the Crusader you could even find he'll mix in in the middle of a Guna Shiloh Hills worthy of many of a few episodes but I'm tired it is it has credushim it has chuvis there's a lot happening in the safer and bar Hashem our Dar um someone just now just came out just to show us show and tell um who's famous for putting out many Rush item he put out two fat volumes one is the Safeway Yasha this is the chuvas and then he has say for yashar this is the khadusha he based on the manuscripts that was made available to him um a lot of work um they actually used Forum sometimes when they had a problem and they would put up a chuva and people would ride in and they think it in the introduction even this is a real from person son of the greatsky from guy I don't even know if he knows how to use internet too much but his son did this and this is a modern technology of navrach using the internet using a forum anyway that's that many thanksgama so he doesn't even hide this piece of information anyway a book recently from Professor Rami Reiner while barabena Tom specifically about this and we're not going to go into what the significance of the safer is but it's if it's a robinutam we can imagine it's going to have significance just to help even circus entices as it's wrote down anyway so before Friday's almond I said wrote a keyboard somewhat of Corrections um says that he saw it um he saw it he said he describes it as being a big a big tribor um Cipher tells River Farms who was a good friend of his that he should give it over to this dying and Preston maybe if he releases it again I don't know if he did but it seems that in later on um at the end of 18 uh 1890s or something when the safariation part of it's reprinted this person writes that he did have her before material today we have the edition of the blitzki is based on more manuscripts and better job than the additions that were available anyway so now this safe shall we see what I'm what I'm being the point is here you have the Texans if you also use it remarkable reference and use it and then you will find in the literature of numerous and others so one it's basically now on the market and it's being used um so here we have another example of a Main St the point is it's a mainstream region so that could when we get to the housing it might be a different thing I did not check if the Khazana is ever quoted but the rehearski Avada uses it in the tubers that are related to his work so that's another example of a mainstream region that people don't realize that only came to existence 1811 now from 1811 till 1890s the addition was a very hard addition to use if I'm sorry for even points out that the the Xavier that they got it from whatever it's very hard to read anyway that's another example um okay um now for the next example that I would like to give this is a a very fascinating example as we'll see and that is the schultes now the story of the shelter is how it gets onto the market actually we have already recorded a um an episode about this that we will hopefully release in the next month or two but um which deals a little bit of that but we're going to focus now on is that in 1861 and because I have the first print we have to do show and tell the the schultes in 1861 I have to get my money's worth of owning the safer that's the excuse that some people have of owning first prints is they get to be able to show it in a sheer or something so I was just able to be Yates a little bit anyway so the native puts out hamic Shayla on the Schultz schultes is an early work we're not going to get into the significance of the schultes but at somebody we'll call for a guynic work that the native writes a massive Parish today it's three massive volumes it comes out from the years 1861 to 1867. so now okay so he puts out of work in the shoulders of just work the shoulders What's significant is this fouls you open up the introduction you start seeing that not only not only does he have what was printed in the in 1786 from Riverside Berlin he got manuscripts now we have to keep in mind who's the natives or shishiva of What's called the Harvard of yeshivas and Yeshiva so he describes in the beginning of his work the following thing he's first he describes that he spent a lot of money and he bought a manuscripts from more than 400 years ago okay then he talks about how he finds um legalize um and he gets hold of them and use it okay great so we see him using manuscripts of the keyboard so it's not just that he's putting out where Vishay Berlin did with his parishes using manuscripts and he quotes throughout the work then all of a sudden later on he writes in the in still in this hyderma he starts talking about that he finds out um he he first it's right he describes how he started to seek out through the various libraries if there's more manuscripts of of um of the shelters if you get copies anyway then he writes and he writes who he wrote to Etc then he writes his fouls um he found out that Saint Petersburg they have oxaviar of the shelters he didn't he says I didn't sleep until I went there myself to get this saviad and he uses this saviar he brings whole pieces from the savior he says that there's materials in here that are not elsewhere that are not in the other editions and use it and it's Incorporated in this shoulders now so now describe for the audience what does it mean that then it says going to St Petersburg to track down savior okay so just to make it dramatic you have one has to be a drop entertaining so the way to make a drop entertaining is his fouls imagine if I told you that whichever issue you learned imagine you're learning in panovich and finds out that there's a nuke saviad of the Ramba must say when you picture him gonna get on a plane in the middle of this man and go to America or Saint Petersburg for that matter to go look up a nuke saviada Ramen because he's working on his Avi esri I don't think so I don't know if he could Point any relationship and the native besides for being an incredible person he was known for his signs even this didn't waste a second he was known legendary has smugged a crazy crazy ass mother not against other Russia it's beyond prolific here we have the chief of the one of the greatest yeshivists taking off to go to the air now in those days you don't sound like he got in a plane and you go fly I I actually reached out to someone to try to figure out how long would it take the native to go from valajin to Saint Petersburg so he basically wrote to me a whole answer and even told me how he could probably get the exact answer but bottom line is it takes a few days and there's no direct way there was no direct train from Village until there any and the point is I didn't spend the exact time to give the exact number but the point is the native is doing this again again for what for a manuscript of a region of a guardian actually to get whatever you could to put out the best addition based on what's available to him to publish okay now so that so here we have another example another president now it's interesting is his brother-in-law what's less known we just spoke about to say fair yasher what's less known is that put out an addition and a beer on par of the safer yasher so also also did such a thing now now why am I saying this I'm saying this is false in 1928 um something happens which is a manuscript starts coming out of the ramban now materials of the ramban came out before but in 1928 Zalman Meltzer starts publishing a set I believe I don't have a set but I believe you have a set of this the old-time rambanza you usually only find in Sheamus these days some people keep it the VAC shell has it still on them and they still sell it even and it's known as their business but what does that mean sir this is Al Melton he wrote Harvest on it no it's much more than that versus zombies are writes our length that he printed even some manuscripts he got a hold of some manuscripts of some of the sectors that were never published before he also took Tyrus albums and put them in the right places that we say if the ramban Run terrorists of them something that's relevant to braches he put it in the back if it's relatively put in the back and he wrote Horus on the safer now these areas also are legendary in the world of Aris they say that a lot of times when they when they today we have better manuscripts so more manicures on the mark he was having to look to the DACA lotion of the ramban okay as Ruby says I'll Meltzer my one of my points I would like to make is where this is Al melter great goggle a tremendous God though get this from you know who's the talmudov he's a talmud of amongst others then it's sivajin this Zach of printing and being interested and being of making available we shining from manuscript none other than one of the greatest Russia shivas of the past hundreds exams this isn't it so much so that people even said to him are you wasting your time he held those Americans he held that that was only because of that because he was able to put out his other nozzle anyway um a lot more to say about it but just to keep it brief and as it relates to us in our story already he tell he throws out an idea one of the ideas he throws out is that if you have my ramban that I have a Magilla that I'm publishing I believe it's from the first time you'll see that the the the there's a Shiloh that comes up often I'm sorry for passing is a certain way I'm sorry if only passes because he had their own band through the run if he would have my ramban he wouldn't he wouldn't say what he said then there's another piece this is a more uh famous story and we're going to say very briefly and this relates to another topic where business Elemental says a similar type of thing and that's his follows um Lamesa some ramban started coming out on the market from manuscript in the 1700s some some came out um it seems the issue is Yakov saw one on one was second on Chavez's says but I he must his copy must not have been great or copy or mistakes crept in I'm putting out a better Edition but it had comments including some Cipher but that's around balance Chavez but zalmos is printing certain ones from to the first star now one such masakitism Cipher it's another story which relates to some safe and that is without getting into this but this following thing is when one goes to Shula about to hit so there's a question of how to lean lane and then there's What's called the gramin which is all based on how to learn the suggest Magilla khafalaf on the base and the gra over there in brings down um the ramban seems to have a certain issue with the sugyo and the gruff says lamisa um he brings down a massage from he says one should do like to massage him um that's the mascara the gra and therefore the grout comes up with a different way he had a lane than we do now first of all like this has her on band the answer is he brings it based on how did someone have the ramban throughout the generations the run the Run brings down a rajbah and the rambanama Iran just again he has a big piece about say 15 lines or something now the ramban does not in the way the Rand does not talk about masaki from at all in this when you're looking at this you have is is the gemara whatever Shiloh is to come up in the gemara there's Iran which is the Shadows machine the ramban and then there's a must have to say from that comes along to grow who we know from other places very into earlier sources and then he says to go not like the sack of the shokhonor and and the muscaras of other people and go like this message okay now obviously a lot of material a lot of ink has been spilled to understand this gra you have the Michigan if you have verbalization Horowitz you have the native all these daily lift up trying to understand the growth this hand hug of the grop is it's sounding the beer I grow myself this is how it's brought into my Seraph the truth is a chuva where he deals with this someone brought his attention this and hug of the based on the masaki says I look up them it doesn't say even the god that he's bringing himself doesn't say what what he says it says so he says Allah like this foreign like he wished means it's a common thing that he did interestingly enough this sounds like a very shyful lotion so Mark Shapiro know noted already that in in some later editions of some Cipher this has been this star colossian kid Darko has been edited out I was looking into this when they bring down the choose some say from the side when they talk about this this girl they write you this I'm sorry friend they also take out the word kidarka now at the end of this juvenile sorry says if someone goes like this he says yeah what's interesting is that a lot of times you can find we just want to clarify is that how do they connect it's both oh oh we're gonna get it up till now we have that the gra is basing a new hanhaga based on his reading of the masakta siphon that's at Khan so far we say we don't know the ramban because the only thing that we know about the ramban is how the gra had it based on the run the Rand supposedly is bringing down a ramban so so there were is arguing on a ramban and and passing like him so if you're saying is based on his gear so how he's changing around this receptor session but we don't get to the ramban yet we're about to okay now what which is a crusader happens is other people when they hear sometimes they grow they reacted differently so that Leo salio brings down a story from the Sava Cabello that he heard that basically Rebecca veger and Mendel they were together um and someone told them over this this rabbit this someone told them over this gra and remember's reaction was that someone ran to show them inside right but Keith Edgar's reaction was um really we should do it the draw seems to be saying um what the grass seems to be saying is correct he says okay the other person in the room said Le mice is going to cause problems of voice this guy to do says that's why but because I'm sorry for he brings down because I'm sorry for that he's a weirdo he says why is he saying because we know because if it was very I was was battling opposition of shinuyam and filo so he was more sensitive I don't know why that is you see different people react differently to different things anyway what does this will have to do with our discussion after you have my ramban you see that the growth is not so powerful anymore why because when you um he says his files open up the ramban that I published and you'll see that the rambanos about the masakta seifrim and he has a different gear system and he handles themselves he's aware of all the problems of the gra and and interestingly enough the ramban when he talks about this he says not to be mashana like even though possibly whatever it was like keep Dominic as it is so it's mefurish that the ramban was aware of the masakra and there's much more than the way Iran has it so why am I using this example so now first of all representative says as the film was going the ramban was the first time on Magilla was only published at the end of the girl's life so most likely he didn't see it this this is where this is almosa says his heart other people such as the bear Allah also says the brah who was crazy into the mission over here in this sugya he doesn't go like the gra and he says what lamaisa we have this ramban the ramban is Messiah not um which is not like themselves okay she also says he didn't have the ramban now earlier I mentioned there's a Chupa safer from geology he brings down our whole life five six page where he explains the girl he says the girl is the best in the hosts against the best gears to everything La maisa he also says because he also had the ramban we don't change it because they're on back okay now but what I'm trying to bring out over here is this is here you see part of the significance of the story of what I'm trying to tell which is sometimes we have a messiah of cedrician the ramban the Ron's bringing it down but the ramban is the Iran is only bringing it down in 15 lines if you look inside the way it represented it's 20 it's it's two pages it's much much more material and he has all the different things similar to what I said that some Mr Brewer and others point out on the magana from Once you know the dakima and we have those a lot of times questions are answered so so there's a major significance in having the specific reason seen in its context and a lot it could be a game changer in mamish understanding now just to point out two a few more problems with this so wrap it up like this first of all Rebellion Metzger told um when he talks when he's talking he also wrote about this girl he also knew a lot of this material with this ramban and he says it could be it's not that ribosome also doesn't say that if the girl would have seen this he would have been Heiser he might have reevaluated this thing but the but the point is that some Cipher was was wrong also but but it could be would even still hold based on his however he worked which is a whole different discussion he held at this myself and he would even still argue on their own bad I'm not convinced actually over here because over here we have What's significant is is once these are unband that's handling them and it's saying it it's it's much different the gra would be more materials with it but whatever this is a different this is a different conversation but what's interesting is what how are people nice so most people including as I said the mission Brewer says to be nutty like the ramban and not to change your life to grow so the khazan-ish what does it has to do over here we know um is very into the gra so interestingly enough the kazanish this cyber will come and Kahana writes this Saiyan the safer of um there's a safer put out by the grinderman called Dinan van Hoggers also says as follows he would do Deloitte Agra says the parenthesis wasn't published in those times it was the new manuscript to the ramban the royal king and so much so is the Khazana would have been mishana and held like this there's a safer I recently found out about this when hug him of basic classes Letterman which they published him in Hogan who wrote the Harris he says not like the grub um we do it why because of the ramban this is what he explains that this is the minig this is so we see that this ramban is playing out interestingly enough Lua Heritage Israel from rooftopski they bring gold like the meaning of the gra now this is um just a time to throw out for a second that room seven already points out that the the the weird has become so big is goofa through the luo but here you see and even in the newer luach What's called the um taking over the luach of um they even have it published um they even have a published American version so they they bring down both when hug him and they say it seems like the it seems like the issue they quote and their artists that is to do like to grow okay whatever anyway bottom line is um one more point about this and then we'll just conclude with one other idea is that blitzki another gronick hitaka and his shoe did like the gra either ramban and he so atonement of his put out a beautiful safe for volume one so far called similar to what you know that maybe DeGraw would have said differently a whole would have would have remained with Ishita even with the ramban about it and this is in the 10-page piece about it okay now Justin messiah in one last idea relating to the ramban which but what one of the points already is now here we're seeing is even the khazanesh rambani is taking he's using it's a new manuscript according to this Messiah okay now we we we're still ini of nadaram so in the discussion in nandaram we mentioned that the the so on his travels the manuscript of the ramban's work on the Durham with the numukia isaf and the ritva he saw this and gets published in the late 1700s so interestingly enough that some Cipher um found out about it he has a beautiful letter about one of the in one of the reprintings of this he says he found out about it through a talmud of his and bar Hashem he was when he was little Yeshiva I got a hold of this ski board which had an atarita Muki isaf and the ramban and it's unbelievable okay now um so but the point is this was yet again we had some Cipher being pro using a brand new printer from manuscript and using it so too Robert veger says my son-in-law the samsaifa told me about it and it's murdick and he's they're both giving us comma for a new printing about it okay interestingly enough in a letter in the 19 in 1827 there were five zamagos writes to his friend of Sam Cipher you wrote me a stickle Tire relating to nadaram and he says I noticed you have be in your hand the piscalo rambanon and also arithva Ash Allah please tell me how to get this now remember ghost was a crazy Farm collector and you a crazy Farm Library he sees this he sees the ramban using this new man she's like where where did he get this from please make sure hook me up with this I didn't hear about this okay and and and so but the point is here we're seeing yet again that it's not just the mission we're seeing this is a story from the 1800s we're seeing again with the shortest with the native rosh hashiva valajan we're seeing with the ramban we're seeing not only the ramban on let's say Magilla but even the ramban and other messes that come only coming out of manuscript in in the 1800s I'm sorry for saying he's able to use it for saying sheer writings almond anyway we see this and Emirates Hashem we hope to in the in the next episode to continue more to give even more context to this story incredible incredible just remind me I when I was in utilane when I learned there I lived there I'm standing menu slime used to go like to grow right other places that go not like that I don't know I think that a lot of places do not I think more and more now not everyone does go like to grow and you shall I anymore what do they do about you I think they don't do like to I think think they do like um not like to not like to grow very good okay thank you very much looking forward to continuing this conversation