Derech Emunah: Using New Manuscripts of Rishonim Part 1 | Rav Chaim's Seforim Explored

[Music] foreign welcome back Rabbi Dr Eleazar brat today is an exciting day we're looking forward to this day for a very long time season two on this foreign there was no discussion of season one and season two but as we kept on getting the feedback that we kept on getting this gave the fuel to Rabbi Dr Bratt to just dive in to this endless topic of replying's forum and all the storm that he used in each episode really goes on a tangent as everybody brought likes to say tangents upon tangents of exploring different response and we shine him in the history truly fascinating and we have a sponsor who is sponsoring the season of Republic's forum and all he wants mentioned is that this is going to be ILO nishmas so the knowledge and the learning that comes out of these episodes should be and Eloy for his nishama or by Brat how are you today foreign good okay so we ended off for those that remember and you could go back they're all available on all that we could put into the bottom of the video exactly how to find them where to find them we have Usher tester behind the scenes producing and he'll let everybody know on the video in the emails and in the messages how to find all the previous episodes so we ended off discussing Derek hamuna which I think we called the behind seminal work we mentioned that that was something that was put onto his cavers obviously something that was and we discussed the history of learning stages running throughout the generations and where behind came in to the picture after they were showing him and aquarium and later according him that had that had written swarm and works on azraian so today's topic and we may spend more than one topic on this is we mentioned and we know that the hazinish has writings about it so we're going to focus on this the topic of using new manuscripts of restraining that are found throughout the generations is going to explore this in depth has things that that are rumored about what he said what he actually wrote about this and what the other the daily Israel hold about this you know what did they use but I think that's the place where Red by Brat is going to start season two yes I I'm gonna start with that in one second I'm just I'm just backtracking for one second to begin with a curse atave at the outset of season two because I never imagined that there will be so many episodes up till date we're up to 10 episodes we already did I never learned to suggest and his vast literature carefully I still didn't I don't know if ever will be because it's never ending but thanks to all that for hosting it from Aisha Suede and Usher tester working on all the technical aspects spending hours there's lots of times different things go wrong it's lots of the sometimes there's different delays it's not easy to be clear these episodes were not these are not being these were not paid for up till now by um this was just a volunteer basis of everyone over here we found some of our Hashem who offers to help with the reduction of the course of season two and as they say the main chemical entire Hashem for that but these episodes take many hours to appear all feedback is appreciated or comments of all types especially in the next few weeks if you um we have to Veer out as it's going to take time to get to what we want to say and the in the past people reach out and say the different ideas of different shearing that they want people to give and the answer is they could be given but okay now um so the first point that I would like to do is is to take a deep dive in something that we already mentioned already from the outset in different form of hankevski is that if you look carefully you see that he's he's managed up to date with the restraining that are out there on the market he's not just using a standard the standard let's say richaralgia ramban who we might have who said that is even stand there but for some reason we accept that to be standard he's quoting everything just just to mention what I'm referring to they print it in the safe as far which I've quoted numerous times some pages of his uh card catalog so to speak Of Swarm that he had which we'll return to but let's say in exactly skadushan he lists he says the taste is really entices and he has kadusha written then he has um he mentions and the few different classical that he gets as time goes on um that are only coming out as the time as time moves on so we see he's using the Swarm the introduction of their hamuna he spells out clearly that he's using Manu that he's using stuff that I just got from manuscript um stuff wasn't even on the market at the time he had connections so to speak he had he was xiaomi based on manuscripts and drum he had the Russian manuscript he had the remarket said it was just published from manuscript and other such things right away if you open up there you don't have to turn anywhere before the first page he's already quoting tell me the remaining time but come let's put out by the blood he's quoting the eeries immediately Robin bastard which is on the side of the gemara only published by shots in the chassis Wilma for the first time in the 1880s so we see Rohan kanyevsky and we've mentioned different things we've thrown out that is using all the nutrition um now so the the point at hand what's the point of all this is that first of all it's an interesting topic in my biased opinion and it's worthy of exploring carefully as you'll see it's a great it's a great it's a great importance to study the library of an album godo can help us understand him and say we could see what he saw sometimes we can learn his methods how to learn up sugius based on these some of these things that will hopefully pull out and throughout this presentation in the next few episodes also we'll see practical examples of some of the tools and why it could be helpful possibly in someone else's in your own learning it's very important to study in general a live a lot libraries are very important to Marshall the famous review them and tibin wrote it savata his son that from the something to the effect first he says something that you know make sure you have a nice Library so people so you can lend to people and this is in the Middle Ages then he says with that with different Israel from you can learn a lot from the person what his interests are and stuff like that we know um a famous famous thing from rubitza can Panton this is before the base yasuf says so therefore he says Farm are very important and there's a lot to say about this okay um now What's significant over here is um that knowing what what I hope to show a lot of times is if you understand the bibliographical information one's far more available and everything it's going to help understand a lot of different things okay this is a short agama to what we hope to accomplish okay thank you for that introduction in the past you've mentioned many times that the Abrahim kanesky in this forum you could see the quote-unquote influence of four different um people from previous generations and this generation his father the stipler the Mr Brewer and then going further back right the Vilma going and uh back to the kazinish obviously his uncle as well I'm sure these people played a role in how Heim went to the sugya of using new manuscripts and recite them as well right that is yes yes that is definitely what I would use as a springboard to get into based on that introduction that I've mentioned a bunch of times yeah exactly so what which to be more specific is this files I want to show that if you one looks at the mission Abu very carefully and understands how the mission Brew is written and then we'll be able to see that this was a model that we already mentioned in a lot of aspects he took the mission Brew even even in how it looks like its mom which looks like a missionary with a charity and everything he he used it even further okay now so for this point as a general introduction for the there's the mission of Brewer which we're going to quote a few pieces from the mission Brew about his method specifically through China and then we'll give throughout today we'll give um specific examples of surgery but as as far as the Khazana which has become known as Kazan is opposing using New China um there's this exists and is true on some extent one could see from different places already in 1954 the khazanesh the the it was out in the world in in already in Switzerland the three the aish writes in a letter to with her song he says Agave he says don't bring anything that they found after the basis event to print don't bring it involved it's not important for the world of Allah and so so he heard this um sheet of the khazanesh with destler and art Israel who was able to have in while he was actually it seems a close question he also brings it down the letter talking about it and we'll see perhaps later on more about what exactly what destler says with this thing but the problem is with the Khazana General to understand what exactly what bothered him what exactly was Ishita this a lot of ink has been spilled in the past bunch of years trying to understand it what what what caused them to create such a shita and what exactly was his issues in general it has to be spoken out as follows wrote an incredible incredible amount a lot of it he published not everything that he published that he himself published he had people helping him he had nephews helping him and others in recent years has not stopped writing there's so much material that keeps on coming and coming and coming the gift that keeps on giving the Marshall in recent years is a set called This is this has tons of new material and sometimes what the problem is is that and this is a great problem in general with in order to understand a sheet of his you have to know the context what's going on and when it was published in the various writings pieces are taken out things and we don't know the context why was he saying what he's saying and in order to understand things you need many times especially in Allah is you need to understand the context so Robert zilber Robin quotes in a few different places and he was certain person who knew the Khazana was into the Khazana says in general take for example very hard to rely on because we don't always know the context and a lot of times when you go through the theories the new data that keeps on coming out so someone could have written about the causation in the 1980s he says one way because he only had x amount of material and it just keeps on coming more and more things and we now get more and more insight to understand deeper understand what it has in the Shell okay so Amir Hashem I hope to present in the future what the kazanesh holds based on collecting from as many places I was able to find that he talks about specifically okay but in general just to say it in one sentence is he's opposed to the usage of new discoveries of Russia okay now but the mission Brewer is not what does that mean the mushroom is not so so here we have again I've quoted numerous times that the best source for the mishnaburra is his son but before we get to his son already in the mission Brewer himself writes in a line towards the end of his introduction when he after he lists this farm that he had this farm he used gamma he passed himself so first of all we see he's very proud of this he mentions it it's very important to him and he has a lot of refine him what is the word Allah mean so I hope in the next few weeks we'll be able to understand more what that means but he and and but I'm I was I I use them but he sounds like he owns them and say there's a lot of Legends and all different types of stories of how how did he have all this stuff here it sounds like at least the sephiro shine him he owned now who helped him as we mentioned in previous episodes in this first season helped him with the writing of the mission Brewer so at one point he writes that when we learned he was Amal to get a hold of every reason that was out there even aquarium he also tried to get a hold of but Michelle was very important to him elsewhere he writes in the same um elsewhere describes this as um hold on he says when we learned we would start from scratch especially when we're working on the mission Brew because they also worked on other projects and we learned and he starts listening and he says we started with the Riff and after we learned to suggest of course with all the parallels we learned the Riff the rambam then he skips and he starts listening at me him he says tices the rush smack tumor zarua then he goes on together we did not skip those either so in short the mission Bureau made it his business to get a hold of the Jewish and he uses it um another Point another time he writes the same thing so basically the half a Time son writes Us in another place in the safer that we've got and learned Etc so we see it's very important for him to see all this now so much important so important for him we shine him in general he's in 1902 the rajbah menachas or later on it's it's not really we know it's not really the rational but it's a short region he um he he goes ahead it was printed in 1861 for the first time and hadn't been available let me make sure to publish it to make sure for people learning kachem that they should have it available so we see he has a tremendous love for you okay now one has to keep in mind that we're spoiled you walk into any sperm store is that any shoe and people in their homes right for their bar mitzvahs have been getting sets of Rich items this was unheard of thing even 50 years ago forget about as the further back you go okay um now just to mention one um two three examples in a broad sense and then we'll move on to the main points over here is in in a charity in a race Crest where he's talking about the Nusrat of the broccoli how we end off so we he brings down the magnavram says we say of Allah where's the Magnificent he says brings down rashadam let's say now like this and then he says so he here it's not I'm not trying to show him using fancy we show him so to speak but he's using a lot of Hashem that you have to understand in the 1880s it wasn't found so easily and this is what he's proud of he's using it to argue on the Magna front now turns out it might not be that there's no one that holds the other side he even begins this piece to turn another drum but that's not that's beyond the scope of our discussion La Marshall a quick search shows he quotes the ritva over 700 times in the mission Brewer that's a remarkable number again why because you can see the beautiful wasn't so available not everyone had it like today every Bar Mitzvah boy um a few years ago still was getting a set of cooked Ritz or it's a big thing and just to conclude one last General example he's talking about um a specific thing and then he says that also supports what he was trying to bring out any any quotes a few times so we see and this anyone who learns Mr Brew which most people today are very familiar with the safer you're always seeing he's talking about and this and that so we know he doesn't okay that's the general um background with the with the mission improve so you want to give an example of a few that may be that these were printed recently and he still uses those yeah yeah exactly so I'm going to give some I would like to give some more specific example and without a story for to go move on with our story the following is like this is in the mission of brew and beer Allah he says his followers a search shows that he brings the our zaru of something like 308 times okay now the numbers are not exact because of different aspects of getting numbers but he quotes it quite a few hundred times some of them are because of the dark in Maisha which he had and that was they had however what's the story with this so the story briefly is it's a it's a incredible work for mauritian who was active it seems he's born around 1250 um he's sorry he's born in 1180 dies in 1250. so he's early reason tons of Messiah are also found in here besides his own stuff and it's very very important but we showed him had it and then it disappears a lot of work has been done about this just to mention there's a a masters from Dr Uzi Fuchs with some articles and most recently Professor simply Emmanuel and the Ali safer Journal 31 has a whole article with the history of the print how it came to be printed because it seems to be that it was lost at a certain point in time we're not clear exactly when it was lost but it seems the Rama had it and dark emotia he uses it extensively and it seems that he's quoting it from a primary source but as already as a generation or two later the maram says we don't have it in Europe already so it got lost somewhere around it just understand a little bit what's the significance of this removing my goal is points out something that we find in the baralaka really also is that the magnav rum would a lot of times ask questions under Rama whose a certain sacrifice was based on our zura had the but the mug in the front did not have darzuru already was we said it was already missing from the times of them around it's a little before the magana so I had them but the Rama had it so he would argue on a circumstack of the Rama because he had a question he didn't see but if but the it turns out when you open up our zarua you'll see that the question is not a question but the Rama didn't bring down that part so but he knew that information that's possibly why he reached this conclusion had the mugan of rum had the urzarua it's very possible that certain questions and certain succumbers he wouldn't have even created had he had the Hebrew this is an interesting piece and theory that needs to be checked into much more of a removing my goals but what the Mr Brewer does this all the time he shows if you had you can understand much more and he uses it in understanding even there are more and also as he uses otherwise for a different solutions now when is this printed for the first time for manuscript only in 1862 and and that's not even the complete thing it takes time for the rest of it to be published so you see that he's using some Mr Brewer's only um really starts starts being published in the 1880s now just understand the mission is not the only person that's excited about man others are also out of the value of them I'm just going to mention one example is written his Fame his claim to fame is he was a little Fisher of and he's an uncle his name is he's the uncle of the arsamer so as far as Luke Fisher standards that gives you a lot of cousin so in short he prints the safer in 1874 and then he and then he puts out another Edition um an additional part a few years later what what happens is he basically was asked the Shyla about a giving a get to a person that's a cherish and he couldn't he didn't have open sources about it so he goes and does major research and he and he does and he puts out a safer about it he says if the Shiloh came to him and he didn't know so Vice Christ it's his job to to explore this topic he took a topic that there wasn't much written about and he wrote All About It incredible and then he comes out he starts dealing with what about someone who's a parish has to do with evil and all different things it needs Stars he creates the star for how the get should look and how with ibom and all different things he goes through the circus so one of the things that he needed was is he gets he's so excited when he finds our zarua because those who had important information for his safer anyway point is that in it was a it was a safer that it turns out based on new stuff that we have also used so even though there's really a relatively new manuscript and of course if you go through there hamuna you'll see there and ask username and it's extremely important because there's a wealth wealth of information in there mishaburra is famous for one of the people I would say that that made him more famous so the the there was precedent to use this safer first being published from manuscript it was lost for hundreds of years and only rediscovered again in 1862. so this would be one sample with the mission Brewer mind and going to recycling as we also clearly using it as I said others also is this something himself used it right you mean because it got lost in between the Ramones that were the significance is that mushroom used it ah so that that is a very good point you're raising because like this the whole what's using manuscripts now there was no print the answer is no problem as long as it's in the base Joseph what the base series have used and he includes that Rama then it's that's it so after that if there are more quotes is not talking about it but now if we have a piece that the Rama doesn't bring down because we opened up the 1862 Edition or the later Edition that's for the castle but excellent helped me um fine tune the point yes okay fine yeah that stars the Rua um everyone knows that you open the safer the sheets that he brings down there to be shining him right you don't find and I shouldn't say any other we shine them but certainly not in the mainstream you shine him um and we know the khazanish again rumors I'm sure you'll find um specifically written things about them Eerie so talk about them Eerie now for a few minutes yes so the Eerie it's interesting is I I have no idea why but it seems as the Miri gets a lot of bad rap and this is one of the topics that he gets very bad rap so before anything so here we're stuck with um for example one of the works that came out of the haznish a few years back was called maisa-ish so he starts putting out one volume of stuff about the kazanesh and other volumes ends up putting out seven volumes in one of the places someone said something to him about him Eerie that he saw something in the Erie and he says um I saw in the movie and this haslish says some straight a very interesting lotion you say it seems that it was a bit there's a campy that let me reset it okay I wasn't sure um what that means but it could be we will have an explanation at some point or another what that might mean interestingly enough if you look you'll find that on one hand who just got finished saying that's what the khazana's guide is he quotes the Miri four times okay in one of those four times the khazanesh punct has a piece and he says what can we do you have to rely we can rely on this Mary and you can't argue on it he says some Allah um he brings them to me through the space yeah he said he says he absolutely it has to be that there's something wrong with it but not with the swarova Alma basically because this piece of Miri is weird in the base here you see if as you look at Lisa and he has no problem with it okay now but I said the mirror gets a bad rap why if you look in the mission of Brewer the mission Brewer search will show that he quotes it 400 times something like that that's a remarkable number okay now which we'll get to also he'll get he'll be part of the story eventually he has the um nearing he sees the mirroring saviad and he quotes it um I think the number at one point he quotes it a hundred times um I would say that are himself some of those quotes which we'll get to in a minute Miri Wednesday born so the most current research did a lot of research been done on the movie in general but um he's born 1249 and it seems that he dies around 1315. okay he wrote a ton he wrote on chess he wrote It's called Hibachi he wrote a safe France that's very important for the suggest safer he's in close contact with the rajma as chuvres with the rashman okay now in the old Ash urine that we gave on Yuma I already mentioned that in 1766 a Hebrew came had a numeral called The Surge he had the Miri on saviar in on Yuma and use it no problems a few years later success Magilla comes out from a manuscript no problems had it was aware of it and we're talking about in the 1770s quoting it no problem okay where do we know about the Miri if you learn about this on babakama does she messes quotes a ton in other messages we don't know why but he doesn't quote it it could be didn't have it but but the point is was quoted him safer has an article which he wrote in Esurance where he says that the numerous he brings numerous sources amongst them the radar and the ramir simha that one of the side importances of the Miri besides her being a reason is that it helps understand the rambam okay in relation to the mishnabura I've came across a very interesting point I have discussed to be working on the the writings of ETA of web and in some of his writings he has some notes on the missionar in there he noticed if you look at the last volume of Michigan Brewer sometimes the mission Brewer brings down he says like this he says this more than once and turns out that the Miri which is published on sukkah in 1910 but the Mishra Brewer is published in 1907. it turns out these pieces are found in the manuscript today we have them of the Miri on sukkah so not only does the client quoted 400 times but he also has it seems Ethan hankin points out that it should be it could be something close to 10 times he's quoting it based on manuscript okay now just to make a little more interesting okay so I remember a bunch of years back um you sure and had an issue with the dedicated the laptop was very fond of the Miri not only does its kind he was fond of the mirror so so far he was so fond that that um seems one night he was one month of Shabbos I think it was it was a late night it wasn't a much traveled he was a late night and he was he was feeling weak and then they announced new shalayim there's a levia who's the levia of Rome Cipher so um even though he was weak and everything he said he has to go why so he says like this I have a major occurs that tell you under myth on the myth that he did by bringing to the ulama the sifri rabena with beautiful Horrors this is where shanzam felt he was weak and everything he went late at night to levia as it murdered so you see from that also Zalman had major hashes for the Miri but more than that in Richland's writings and you'll see he also does another interesting story just to throw it out there which ties back to the Miriam Savion is that over a story The Emory EMES who is known to be a credible expert amongst other things besides was a crazy expert on this Farm but he had a massive machinodical library that only recently have we begin to understand how great this library was from a book put out called oil REM from Maisha Hillel anyway so what happens is is that mentions that it seems he wants to somewhere and um they show him and uhms with a tremendous paquilla says that this is um Shabbos and I have a different one and there's different shinuyam in the masecta and the kids are he was able he was he was he was an artist role I think it was so he knew he recalled what he had the manuscript wasn't published at the time and he had this Miriam Chavis and and he was able to see some differences and stuff from this other stuff yeah and identified that this really is the me that this is really the me read scenes is by shallel and the safer brings us of different parts it seems later on they've realized that it might be a different khuber of the Miri and then more recently it seems that it might not even be the mirror it might be a Talman of the movie that there's two such works okay but that's beyond the scope of today anyway the point is that the mirror is very important okay now there are there is a famous sheet of them here which we're definitely not going to go into which so much ink has been spilled on this about the urishit is about Christianity what it means is it and that could possibly some people say it can't be that even wrote whatever he wrote about Christianity that it's not of like the Zara so that could be when the Khazana also when he's saying it that there's certain things crept into the mirror so so let's say the base if he brings down those four pieces of the Miri some say the the she has no problem with it it has the basis some things that someone says but then he he would be technically he might be more nervous okay now but but it's it's not only that the mission Brewer or about this searching in the native's writings and the natives before the explosion of the miui's materials he quotes the Miri 146 times and this is just searching in maroi mesada so he had very he mostly wasn't published and he's still managing to quote a crazy amount of the iris and the Not only Miri Zimbabwe comes with also Magilla it's also it's the stuff that's out there Le Marshall Robert Ashkenazi was just mentioned from a sheet of bets as he says in when he's talking about amudai in a specific chuva he says as follows Arif around so he puts him in the line up of of um the lineup of the the the amudahira of the generations now anyone looks into his farm we'll see he quotes it a crazy amount of times so so is there any way to to explain um this nakuda so what I would say is is that it seems so first of all he I don't have a good answer what if how does this work because if the cousins just so Anthony but it's clear and this um for one example the this uh tiger he says that he also brings this um this point with the ramban that it's very influential in helping understand the rambam and we see that it's there are definitely cases where it seems that replyevsky held and yeah and this Tiger has a list and a safer called nazarium that there might have been there's certain stuff that were somehow there was a mistake in the Miri maybe someone put in something somehow got inserted into the salviad and that's what the Khazana meant when I quoted in the outset some told him there's a mirror he says no to me we didn't say such a thing because he felt there is such a thing where Louisa however that might be with the transmission quoted literally hundreds and hundreds of times I would say in the thousands actually but the mission bura as we said use the Crusader even at the manuscript and it seems that he was involved with getting it published so at Khan um the next example of of what will kanyetsky uses slash machinaburra as opposed to the Hazen issue okay excellent let's stop over here we went a little over half an hour we're trying to keep these somewhat shorter than in the than previous ones so double yeser thank you very much and maybe let us know where you're going to pick up next time so next time I hope to continue with Robin hanano and the missionaries and talk about this topic some more of Russian and then and then we're going to go further and then after talking about Robin we're going to go backwards and and try to ice say is unique is the Cafe Unique of doing this or there's a previous Messiah so to speak of people doing this that that 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