Derech Emunah: Using New Manuscripts of Rishonim 4 | Pnei Yehoshua, Chayei Adam and Chidah

foreign [Music] welcome back Rabbi Dr Eleazar brat we Forge along season two on this Farm of Abrahim kanayevsky we've been discussing I guess call it a tangent somewhat of a tangent but it's all to really understand where heimkanievsky was coming from he was using new manuscripts so we've been discussing the history of new manuscripts of reshinim who have been using them when have they been coming out but I think now you ended up discussing that dares and rough cook um I think you'll pick up from there but I think this episode is gonna be very interesting because we're going to focus on really pinning down the date of when new manuscripts started coming out and as you filled me in beforehand we'll be discussing even more from a halachic perspective some of the previous gadelia placement in the 1800s already using new manuscripts we'll be discussing um not as a plastic but as one of the daily hammer farsham that's made it through till today one of the primary aquariums that are learned in the yeshivas today and then really to figure out how did this start spreading around Europe and as Rabbi Brad has mentioned was a primary example of somebody who brought ideas and sparm and learning through Europe um You probably tell us other places as well um so that's where we will begin and I hope you are doing well today once again questions comments really how you enjoying the episodes things that we could do better please email myself suede mou.org or Eleazar brought gmail.com with comment suggestions other topics and as always sponsorships are available for individual episodes and other topics and ideas as well as always season two has been dedicated by an anonymous donor a big supporter of Rabbi Dr elyazar brat and it is in memory of moisha khai and Ben yeshama have an Aliyah and without further Ado Rabbi Dr Eliezer broth okay so first um a few brief things just to finish off from last time in the previous episodes we've mentioned there was a whole discussion about the ramban about the Wilma going shita of how to lay increase attire Riverside and then there's a ramban that they discovered later on it was only printed so if Yama then maybe he would have changed his mind so I came across that I've mentioned a few times of tiger who had his curse of having a close relationship with rapankevsky so he's put up on the Internet many videos of his conversations with rev Khan kaniewsky came across a video discussing this this topic where you could see how he says yes that the ramban was discovered and everything it's a cute it's a cute thing once you you can't you might not necessarily know what he's talking about but once you hear the sugya then you could get you can enjoy the video better it's cool to see there's not relying just on a written you know one sentence word from Hangouts talking about it nicely to him he's reading it inside the Lush and the mission Brewer it's a very cute thing I could send the link if anyone wants that's number one number two is we discussed at the end we were discussing about the the native in his work of the show and his work on shelters which is one of the is basically where I would point to this the a big time starting of being um learned and being worked on intensely we discussed this by Rico so I said is that afterwards later on it's picked up by a work a series of works it's Levine I linked back that Bob Levine turns out was a very close comment of Cook or if Cook connected his relationship with the native now there's other connections um in general with cook the native had a tremendous impact on the native as a matter of fact one of Cook's first pieces was a defense where someone wrote in a newspaper attacking the hay McDouble of the Native and with cook wrote a defense in the newspapers um to defend his rebbe the native last week I mentioned a different piece of his where he wrote a biography out there it seems to be it was at the request of the Native for a newspaper for a journal at the time a four-page beautiful article where he writes all the alternative and he what's interesting is is that he knew he was asked to write it by the native and he knew that it's his reading it so it's a pretty you have to he had to make sure that that it's accurate it's very kadai to read I also could send the PDF of this article interesting that also has a beautiful picture of of the Native included in that in the original version of that article anyway um sort of cook he has a Yeshiva which which um Disco which in one of the things about the sushiva that he at least he wanted to do was also add this into the curriculum is a work called mamari of cook which collects many of his speeches and small works of his and in the area it's a fascinating thing about how what a Yeshiva that he wanted to create it seems they did create it on some level I don't know if they ever did it to all the aspects of it and one of the things is is that they're going to learn [Music] um very intensely this is clearly again of the Native now interesting is he had he had a talmud who was basically a mashkid Yeshiva a tremendous tremendous they learned together they learn for something like 15 16 years a few hours a day the door was closed and they learned very carefully together um this Regency gareli is he's famous today for being the grandfather of ushera really anyway he wrote a bunch of swarm and a lot has been written about him in recent years especially by a Tom hankin Hashem kandama both in English his art the original articles are written in Hebrew and later on they were translated into English like some of them could be some versions could even be found online it's also can be found in a book of his that recently just came out now this is but he also mentions that one of the things that he was going out of his way to do in his work is to collect the new risham that were not used up till now that the people didn't have and they were only just coming out in those years and he lists amongst them combat says Rush etc etc the the ravia the ashko and so we see also this is this is it's not it's no it's not a the point is it's a connection again with Ruth cook usage of new rishai Nath so basically now and one last in the tool this is um is last week I started I was explaining the she the native explains what got him so interested what did he see in the world of the Schultz and why I spent so much time on it and what his method was so at the time I mentioned there's an English translation of this which Isla but is um they pulled it out once and made a small safer of it and then I mentioned last week There's an English translation I forgot at the time that there is a a new work that came out less than five years ago which is it's close to 400 pages from abrev Arya cooperman where he pulled out the the hagdama this tons and tons of footnotes making it much easier to understand with a beautiful introduction in the introduction he says that the native he points out also um I only came I only found this buried in my room last week I've completely forgot about it but he also connects the story with the native and with cook he also throws in something about it but he says that the native wanted to create that item should start being learned he says there's very much no impact whatsoever except okay if you want to assume riff cook but as I said it's not so much about the machine it's not so much about it's particularly about to go you know it's everything it's the whole approach with using Nuru shine him and you could see that already with another talmud of his rib it says I'm a Meltzer which I as I mentioned in earlier episodes went on and printed and collected even from manuscript for the first time some of the works of the ramban anyway but more than that is but even with just and we shine him we have one of the greatest tell me the now of the Native as I've documented in all these past episodes he's using everything he's using the new shining from manuscript he's using the nuga I know for manuscript as I mentioned the previous episodes et cetera Etc so we have over here that it's not only of the Native here we have rev Chaim kanyevsky from benebraq mamish going with the reproach of the Native just to throw out there because it um to mention one last name not to go into it but another person that they linked to valajin they link him to being a talmud of the Native but it's still I I don't see proof of such a thing although I believe it's true it's a viewer confessional perlao in 1914 to 1917 the entire world was shocked when this massive work comes out on a small little safer amidst of Versa that had been printed earlier this person puts out a few thousand pages on these on this work that's just a few lines how he pulled it off is mind-boggling and he also uses everything first you see him using making an intense Parish on gaonic work of reposadi going but more than that he's using everything he's again using all that we shine him the new reshind everything is on top of the field completely and he was a unique individual but anyway that those are just some brief um additions to the previous episodes okay now um we're going to get to pretty much to the story to continue our story of today with we had our short introduction and that is um and just to add to the introduction as follows if we step back and we look back what do we do up till now so so I showed that not only doing it I said uh commissioner Brewer I said let's see is there a precedent earlier than the mission Brewers I showed pretty much that if you look randomly throughout the 1800s you have our zarua rabbin uranium all these Pharma coming out for the first time and they're being printed and annotated bylum more than that they're being used we mentioned some Cipher in August he's using the nutrium and in his journal etc etc we see that it was it's ready it's becoming it's more than just the side point it's just not it's not like the the story even till today when you read various articles about it you'll see they'll say Arts it's not the numeri everything that was happening and just these basic works are all in the past hundred years so the question really is could is this really is it any earlier could we pinpoint it to a better time and stuff like that so so number one is like this in the 16 um 1631 interesting work called novelist came out from someone who was known as Reb yeah can Canadia whatever that's I'll just break my teeth and say his name wrong but anyways no otherwise known as yashar anyway this person it seems had he was a scientist also a doctor and a tremendous he was expert in Kabbalah and he's a very interesting person Allah has been written about him what type of person he was but we're not going to go into that he has an introduction to one of his works and in this introduction basically he says he's talking about 1631 is why aren't all these Works where are all these works that we hear about through shinama quoting where he's he must be referring to more likely the best yaisive and stuff like that for example we heard that there's a robin hanano where is it rabina goes from aragola where is this stuff where is his materials ramaisha had darshan that Rashi always brings down where is his stuff the Rhema gash that the rambam writes so amazing about him where's the remag Ash's tairu and and they say yes and he has a whole list we are at all this Farm and he and um okay and basically you see that in 1631 he's referring to and it's a fact in the 1630s there was no there wasn't so many swarm out there but they knew of a lot of them okay that's that that's the number one brings down this passage in in one of his articles where he talks about the new residing that are coming here okay so now so could I so now I'm telling you a quote from the 1630s and it's true we know if we look in the in what went on in the 1630s there's not so much happening with three as far as we shouldn't go on so in an article that was written by Israel tashma um he basically the question that he he was looking into was what I'm on the talmud we need to say he's very concerned with we're not talking about philosophical works works on homish we're talking about perusum on the talmud when do they start coming to print specifically specifically is his concern is these are the Swarm that interest him because there was Rashid this Isis and what's cool so what he's looking for will just for to link them all together now there was Iran so people had the quotes some quotes of ramban rajba in in these swarm the base Yusuf had a vast Library he has truvis erasma so every the xylem heard of these people but they didn't have the whole so and as I said I gave one example and this is one of hundreds of examples that one could give by the fact that were relying on Iran and they didn't have the whole ramban it's a game changer once you have the whole ramban you see it was five times the amounted more information about the whole studio so it's very important if one could have the whole Rich item if they exist so so when does this happen so tashma basically does a whole investigation and he basically shows that somewhere around 1715 different printers start publishing and there was no there was no like group together that people decided um to do it printers who were looking to make some money started printing different works of your shining which they had how they had it manuscripts that's its own discussion but and slowly slowly they start coming out from 17 15 hours he makes a chart and he and he basically lists out when the different materials came out and he shows that's pretty much from the 1715 tool early to let's say about 1800 you see a lot more we showing them are coming on the market okay this is Step number one so him in based on this article and Heim salvechik also after reading this article came to the same conclusions you start you're seeing that it wasn't it wasn't that someone went ahead and actively with a thought um to do something about this made a McComb so to speak Mahal Meister of cooking those years and decided to put them all out but slowly printers did and if you start looking back over a period of of 75 years you could see that a lot of restraining that were never available before are available so now the next question goes is obviously this the only answer is this is the arashem was behind us but but now the question is okay so there's Farm after but who's using it is anyone using it and if they're using it is there any changes in the in the method of learning because now we have a ton of new material from a whole imagine someone found the whole new base measures that they never found today that they never knew about today and all of a sudden we shine him started coming out from there it could be we know Tyra is endless and in depth maybe something else so the answer is yes um tashman a different series of Articles where he starts dealing with the daily aquarium such as the play Yeshua shows that the play Yeshua which when does he start coming out from 1739 and onwards the play Yeshua is a unique safer and we're not going to go into barichus why it's so unique but but suffice it to say ever since it's printed it's printed many times at least in the first hundred years it's like the go-to safer in enemy sector that he wrote till today the cautions are still legendary um some people um that this is uh dependent on debate how much people use the torutsum how much people break their heads on the planet sure but it's still a safer that's known people it's a standard gift that people get and it's found in most people's houses and shoes and it now is there something unique about the safer so tashma points to that this is the first time that someone is actually using the um as far as the aquarium in that period of time that are just coming out in that period of time he traces it a little bit and and the train issue specifically mentions it more recently a fellow wrote a Masters on this topic his name is Yeshua Meyerson and the the Masters was printed in a kivot that comes out from Lakewood called kivinski by volume 11. I could send the article it's a 50 60 page article it's in general it's a fascinating article more not so much about what we're talking about now it's about to play yeshua's Method but he also shows he went to check the Writ for the run the rajbo that the um to show how many times he's using it for example in kadushan he quotes the ritva 102 times the rajba he quotes in getting 133 times I believe it is anyway the point is that so and now the peninsula becomes one of the Godzilla swarm and and so too you could start seeing now no one really mapped out to see how much each Akron is using from this period of time all the rest of them on the market but from the fact that we see that this Farm remained in print a lot and more and more swarma coming out it seems like printers didn't just print the Shema they printed because there was a and for it just like today so therefore what's assumed is that that this was the start once the playing shoe becomes a classic safer and not only him if you go a little further the nasivis which we actually did a whole episode about and we didn't yet release he also if you look through his farm he's using all the newest items that are on the market at the time because he um shows that the Texas the fact that he's using the base magic of the of What's called the base Majors fart of the ramban it's obvious throughout his work he's he had all these things and he's using he had a lot of this and he's using it and this is what's changing the the mode of the 1700s that eventually lead the late the mid 1700s and onwards that eventually leads up to the Mahala Halima known in the Shiva world but that's not for for now now but the significance is is here we see that the Mahalo halimwood is getting a a change because of new materials being used now significant is that the play Yeshua did care about halacha but as they just threw out the nasivas is safer even though he's writing on Shasta so he's using these new China no problem okay now but the question is does the story go any further than this so the answer is yes and um Adam who's one of basically becomes the classic go-to safer for the next let's say when from when it's published till the mission Brewer comes out even for some after the missionar Brewer let's look at some lines that he says so perhaps just from a historical perspective let the audience know Peninsula lived from when to when and hire them is a much later time just because safer we mentioned also was much later so pretty sure lived like from so basically I'm I'm not giving the exact dates the 1756 will is the last volume of the play Yeshua after his death comes out so 1756 gets us with the penis let's say it would be the closing of the play Yeshua works and he's already lived a few years earlier and the kayadam is getting us already in the early 1800s so and the nasivas is a parallel period of time to the to the um so we're seeing that already from let's say if we're mapping at 1739 is when the play Yeshua is starting to use these Works um so red so I would say is from let's say 1715 is when it starts being printed by 1739 one of the daily of his time which was and then you the sorry the plane Yeshua um he's using it and then we could see from the Iran it's being quoted now to pinpoint let's say he's definitely using it how much it has not been checked out the the shark is area on some level other them it needs to be checked more but I'm but I did check is the nasivis which is around this period of time also that's getting us they're they're basically is they're active um they're What's called the the connecting door after the play Yeshua so it's getting us already that in the early in the late 1700s which would let's say to be safe 1780s they're using this Farm already and such as now I just checked yeah the peninsula was born in 1680 and he died in 1756 like you mentioned right and then the nesivus and hayatim were the Next Generation after that before 1792 but he's already publishing 1776 so he's already using it over there you could see that he's ready sure right right he's a contemporary he's a younger contemporary to play Yeshua more that that works but but the point is is that by the time you get to the nasivis and who are contemporaries so I want to just show what what happens over here and that will be one example in the in the shower of the first edition of a safer he already discusses what what's the significance of a safer so amongst the things he says you're gonna see there's many hidushi denim means himself Pacific that we're not known up till now you open up he has two introductions so he first he says like this um he says um so he basically he got some new reshaiden that were coming out and he's using them then he says again then he says um throughout the work you could see a list needs to be made um complete but there but we see him using with just to quote one place in in this is in his Adam at one point he says um he's talking about a pre-show he says they say what they say written it must be a Mayhem if they would have seen the written that was published that I have says that he just made a whole big thing how that he had it okay now interestingly enough the other man's introduction throws out that he likes the Elya rabba which is published much earlier and even earlier than the play Yeshua um the Ali rabbit was published in 1717 um because he says like this foreign and that we have to Define more about in a moment a parallel person besides the ballot besides the the nasivis that enter High Adam is the haraf he's also active in writing those ears he writes Harbin me severeign nope they're not complaining about it and they're saying one could use it okay but so so so but the question is as I said is I mentioned just now as Ellie rabbit started rabbits before this and and he had a lot of his farm but it's a manuscript and the question really is is that these were shining that there's Publishers are printing let's say I'm putting it in a certain date and then I'm saying the train issue used it but where did they get it from and then the question really which which I would like to conclude with today is how does this get further is there a way to get it all over all over Europe the answer is like this in general one has to understand is that manuscripts are floating around Europe even though the printing press has been invented well before this period of time what happens is like this we have an unrelated field Kabbalah comes from known as the a lot of Kabbalah comes from zariza there were no Chinese auctions or auctions in other days like manuscripts yeah good yes you do what we want to do advertisement for the upcoming London catalog of uh whatever yeah now if anybody's out there there's a fascinating mug and I've run for like fifty thousand dollars yeah it did a doctorate on that so someone can buy a present yes I'll appreciate it yes correct that's cute okay now um basically is that reason he dies in 1572. he doesn't publish anything the printing press exists already at this time now how does p how do people start learning about Toyota Sarris doesn't go ahead and go right after he dies writes it down and prints it as a matter of fact he doesn't want anyone to touch it what happens is slowly slowly people start capping the notes people that learned in brisk know all about this type of thing briskers are very anti-publishing to stuff but notebooks pass around from different versions of the years before um in the beginning of this man a lot of people go ahead and they make a photocopy of someone's notes and this is what they learn they have the notes of the shiram so that resells material for hundreds of years even today they're still discovering new hiburim of the avisa that was known that existed because of new manuscripts here we go inside inside a personal brisk your notes that's how you take notes yes the result all this material is floating around Europe for hundreds of years in what in manuscript that's an interesting thing and as I said it's for Even in our day new works you can find in different auction houses how they auction off different hiburim of manuscripts of that of that result that were written by tapta medium even etc etc now all this was mapped out by an incredible work where he Maps out the history of the manuscripts of the reason how they had it so what was happening was like this people would copy for personal copies they'll be sending to other countries to other places and this is how they learn to through manuscripts even though the printing press existed why is this so the reason is very simple cause it was expensive to publish so for personal use either you do it yourself or you hire someone to do it professional copiers and the professional copiers would copy the manuscripts of that result so manuscripts are floating all over Europe even though as I said the printing press is well over fine now what the question is like this so there's manuscripts so what happens so I believe possibly a clue that someone that threw me down this path was a line that I saw from batala Landell that he wrote but um um he didn't embellish on it and I think this is really what he meant one of the most fascinating figures of Jewish history in the past few hundred years was the he's born in 1724 and you shall I am and he dies in 1807 in livarno Italy he learns by his father and other godzillam and including archaim a little bit even okay he's one of the most prolific writers who wrote on an extremely wide range of subjects from every area of yadushkite whether it's Hamish and bibliography You author over 60 works not overprint in his lifetime and some still exist in unpublished manuscripts till today what's even more fascinating about him is he wrote a lot of this while he was traveling because he spent a lot of time as he was a travel traveling because he was a Schleich for the city of Havana in arches the story of sugar travels its own discussion which of ramyari mapped out in these in his massive work on the subject now a work of the Which is less known for which will actually enter up our discussion is his travel diary the travel diary is known as the Magle Taif it's a diary of sorts of his travels of Europe and elsewhere which was only imprinted in full for the first time in 1934 by Aaron Fryman part of this work was printed at the end of 19th century in 1879 another part because it was printed in all different places even in English this year was called the year of the hida it's been published three different times just this week of the Third Edition one edition came out was from honama arm another Edition was with beautiful pictures and maps and all types of things from a fellow revive and just this week went on sale for the first time Rabbi mandelbam of Breck put out an edition of the Magle taive and all three of these editions um are fascinating they will have valuable information of the magletoiva's travels now what happens is when you look at this these travel Diaries one could see many different observations of the Jewish communities of the time we learn about all the different people he met Lou Marshall we just spoke about to play Yeshua he talks about the planet is how he met him and everything and then he discusses as a fascinating conversation he had with him but not only does it talk about the communities he visited and people he spoke with we learn about a lot of areas about the Jewish book part of this was that he literally kept record of everything he saw when he would go to places he would see law he would ask to see libraries he would see private Collections and he would mark down everything he saw so here we have someone who traveled Europe he visited over 100 communities over a period of his first trip he was 29 years old from 1753 to 1758. his second trip was he was it was from 1773 to 1778 he ends up staying in Italy but he was everywhere he was in many places in Europe Italy Amsterdam and Paris and he sees everything in all these places some people let him stay by them a little bit and he he writes notes he collected in his notes and his notebooks he was things that he saw he also had a crazy memory so he he was collecting data that he's seen traveling all over Europe This was something unheard of in those days and and so now but he so in his maggoti which he only publishes which he doesn't even publish and it's not clear if you've ever wanted to publish there's a lot of this information but he but he does publish a ton of information of what he saw and what's that that work is called the shame this basically is the unparalleled there's no work ever been published that equals to this work which is a book where he lists that all the dailym and a lot of times you could say in two sentences what he thinks about the goggle what's the rate about the God it's unbelievable how what he says in this work and he also what's important is he's listing all the works telling you let's say I quoted a piece from 1631 from yashar who's saying where are these works all of a sudden we're getting the answer where they are they're housed in different places and and in the if you have the Magle type today we can even that's how today people have when they're not sure about work they'll say by the way you want to know something he saw this work already and then they'll show you all the brings it down in this place of a savior and this safer Lu Marshall one of a safer of his that created it's because one of the things this is estaro safe on our day what is one of the things he does he was quoting tons of reshine him truvers of different everything in the safer so we're getting now what's being housed in these collections let's say I mentioned Delia Robert had a collection different people had collections they didn't have money to published these things there was no Meister of cooking I have a Shalom out there but he's seeing everything and then he documents it in this shame again and he publishes in his lifetime and people start seeing it so this helps create and then he publishes America yasif and becomes a very hush of a safer and all of a sudden people start seeing all these manuscripts and it then it it becomes more and more known that there's man that does not every work was lost and then slowly slowly people start working now Rome isn't built in as we know Rome wasn't built to one day it takes a lot of time but was conscious of all this and as I I've quoted in the in the series that we deal we deal with this Farm on each list I mean like look and if people in those days they didn't know where it was but but if you asked if he does this what do you mean it's here it's here it's there you could do it and slowly people that knew him started publishing works we could link some of the people that published the first works of certain we shine them they knew about it through him his name is out in a lot of storm till today one you'll see an introduction how do we know that this manuscript is really the ritva but he does so it sometimes he signed it sometimes he owned it he also owned the loudest Farm going around anyway the point is he goes around everywhere and his touring of Europe to hundreds of cities and places and speaking to people this was like the person because there was no news there was no internet for a forum that you put up the information looking for RIT for and then the next minute you get like today let's say someone wants to find out if there's a manuscript of the ritva he's learning a piece of ritva and he sees that a sentence doesn't make sense so it used to be what you have to do you call up a friend that lives in there to throw and you'd say I'll pay you whatever amount of money go to Hebrew University order up the book it's a whole long process a few day process till they bring it to you you got to know to use the microfilam how to read it etc etc today you type in five seconds in Google it links you right to many of these manuscripts you could download it to your computer in minutes now you might have a problem reading these ancient um handwritings but it's seconds now but in the 1700s no one knew this what happens you have one person who went traveling everywhere known as and this is how um there are fancy terms I would say in in in in the in the non-jewish world of how things get spread and famous through different things so he would be um I he would be the the person that helped get out there so to speak to say such a thing but like he would be what we used in the in the David episode where we were saying the um when we spoke about um how someone put on Twitter and it got all over a whole song once it was on once it was online it went viral so that he does sort of speak through his shame slowly slowly made it that people now knew these Works exist they start publishing it okay now just to be messiah in one last Point um which is his vowels he knows that he knows this the whole time and it's solo mushroom in his Shea magdalem in the entry where he's talking about the safer aguda he says as follows um if you look in the bush they're starting to be published in his time you'll find a lot of times um things that you'll it'll help you understand the Sugi much better he goes on he says if you look in the source and the in the recite him as they're published a lot of times basically it's kadai to look inside because looking inside helps one understand the context which is what I get brought out from one example with the rambanon in another place he says that many caches fall off if you look at it inside you see the context and he also says that some people didn't realize they they later on people start asking questions and others and say what do you mean you don't know there's a written he says no they didn't know the writer wasn't published that Akron might not have had the Ritz because he wasn't alive at the time when it's being published so even though the roots was way earlier but he didn't always have it so a lot of times this information can also be found and he's telling you this he says then he says another sentence relating to all this is one could see unbelievable jewels and fascinating material from these new resounds that are being published the Russians and the sheeting which is what we're saying is what happened with later on etc etc now there's an obvious question which we will get to more is how this does everyone agree with this aspect of Isa but the point is that held that this even has impact as I said now today held like this held like this now obviously it needs to be defined clearly column in how this works which we shine him and stuff like that and we will discuss a little bit more about this later on now just just to conclude one last nakuda that is his files now that I'm pinpointing it that by the time that dies and his safer starts getting more famous so even from Italy it's getting more published it's getting more recognition he wrote a lot of sparm and he's constantly talking about this and the shame like is becoming also known this is what I'm claiming is somewhat of a spark that got people more interested in it now um so what happens so we could already see this is in the in the late 1790s as well that he does already Alive stuff come out last week I mentioned some work to guiding that are starting to come out if you look um so the question is which work is there a specific work that that comes out from from manuscript with a parish that starts that type of stuff so last week we mentioned the hammock Shayla the hammock Shayla the native is 1861 and onwards is anything else coming out at that time or earlier so if we start at the same time as the native there's a safer Sharif one of the good daily shining this work the restraining didn't the the base Asif did not have it comes out from a bamberger with an intense perish also the same years as the native he puts it out in 1862 1861 1862. so you see another God will working on an early work and he wrote a beautiful river called Maya sharimberger and as this commissary and he got a hold of it from manuscript and he also publishes it so mama you can it's time that the hammock Sheila had influence on him he's working on at the same time as the native if you go back um also the etour comes out the etor it seems was published in the 1500s but then but it wasn't the whole eater and in the late 1800s The Ether comes after manuscript now in that scama of the person who publishes it he writes he goes to remarketinger who we spoke about um at length in the episodes where he spoke about the machine Master controversy so he writes that he knows the yeshua's Yakov saw the itur which is getting us to the yes she was sacrifice in 1839 so he saw the ether it seems there was a plan to publish The Ether but but it didn't come through so when does it come out later on in the 1850s 1860s is when it starts another example La Mesa this etour was floating around the manuscript Margo was quoted in his works on yardea in the late that goes to print in early in the late 1700s um this seems to be the same ether that was floating around because it's publishing Galicia issues Yakov and in Lemberg and and the refrigerator it seems to be they saw this I don't know maybe Frank Zam wanted to buy it it doesn't sound like he owned it although he owned many manuscripts we point to is 1800s his early 1800s also from agato now there was a yid rebellious tremendous going time does not allow us to discuss them by Ricos but he also prints a work on on the goonic work Mecca romanca which we quoted last week also he publishes that work of his in 1800 where he has so he's taking this much earlier than the native but his Parish I would not call it a thorough Parish it's just macarus but at least he has Horus here and there um it's definitely useful and the fact is that he's learning to go in on some level but it's not doing with Amy Shayla because um the human Shayla is mamish pages and Pages which ends up with Riverside which you call it today with real confession Perla who does that even more anyway bottom line is that for today the the takeaway is that we're trying now to pinpoint that this um thing that we're seeing replying kanyevsky and the mission of Brewer being famous for it's not just the Eerie it's many reshinum it's not just in the 1800s it already starts from the seventh in in the 1700s by the time you get to the play Yeshua which we mentioned his work starts coming out in 1739 he's already using these materials we we've linked it to the hayadam the nasivas and delirable earlier and it's being used and then to to conclude we mentioned seems to be I would if I needed to point it on someone that helped get it out there and he now now people know it's in different collections um I would give a lot of credit to the and his works okay now just to be Messiah what what's left for us to do is and this I hope to do in the in the in the next episode is Lamesa is there beside we mentioned over the past few episodes they took upon themselves to start printing's farm and they printed them was there any like project or a company or something that tries to do this on a bigger scale um so we'll talk a little bit about that and that will get us to pretty much closer to the conclusion of the of the series The manuscripts we'll just after we deal with that we will discuss but briefly the story of up till now we're discussing manuscripts of sifri halaja what uh what about what about midrashram madrasia which is also using all this we discussed this writing season one is this related to this and we will also discuss what the usage of manuscripts for gamara um and then to through all this we'll get to see what the khazanesh really holds about all this why he was against it and that's how we'll conclude these a few episodes about this topic thank you Rabbi Dr brat fascinating so many different ideas and so many different openings in their lives and the works of different really each one of these could be their own like segments but thank you very much and we hope to continue in the very near future have a wonderful day