Derech Emunah - Rav Chaim's Seforim Explored (10) - With Rabbi Dr. Eliezer Brodt

[Music] welcome back rabbi dr elias are brought thank you so much for joining us again as we have the opportunity to share with the audience about this forum of i can't even keep track of what number we're up to but we recently did two parts to the introduction of derek amuno or an introduction to darakamuna two parts just going through the history of zhuayim throughout the generations he was shining him and ahrenium part one was until around the 1840s and then we continued up until when wrote to safer in the early 1980s so now we've actually gotten to the safer itself and rebellious is going to start by going through refrains hakudama to decipher where he is quite mirah about what he used what his goals were and what he was doing with the safer the safer i believe a leslie will tell us how many volumes it is definitely thousands of pages written like the mission abra will get involved in why this saver specifically was written this way have there been others farm that were written this way why didn't perhaps write this type of cipher we'll cover a lot of ground here like we always do and hope everyone has hope everyone enjoys it um once again any comments or suggestions please reach out to myself at schweidem oyou.org or rabbi brought elijah brought gmail.com if anybody would like to sponsor a shirt for hashem this year has been getting i would say close to 2 000 listens each episode and only growing and if you want to have this cost of bringing this type of torah adjacent content we like to call it so rabbi brock do you think this qualifies as kosher entertainment i hope so i hope people find it entertaining that's the idea okay excellent so why don't you take it away start okay so basically the derek hamuna which will becomes very famous for and probably will become more and more famous as time goes on was first printed i believe in 1984. it's four volumes it was printed one volume and then a few years later volumes two and three came out together and then volume four came out according to the date of at the end of volume four it says it was in 1996 is when he finished working on it i'm not sure if 1996 is when the last found came out it could be came out a little later it seems um that there might have been um there might have been delays printing i'm not sure anyway bottom line is it comes out a few years later a massive index comes out of 606 pages which is called the moon which we'll get to shortly anyway these volumes cover everything and anything to do with drum as well as we'll discuss more momentarily okay it's so popular these days there's already volumes of viewer on certain parts with footnotes and new people dealing with all different aspects of the actual safer there's a at least one version of two versions of on the shemitah there's a fancy version of the scala where they just take out khala and they put in other materials of his from other places and they and they and they make it into these massive works i imagine that over time we'll see on all of their hamuna similar such thing anyway um that's some of the boring details of the actual safer volumes two and three came out together he he write um i saw written in the safer aspharum which we've quoted a bunch of times from the grandson that it took ten years to work on those two volumes alone and then two years to there was issues with printing and it came out anyway it seems there was even an addition that had bayes and gimbal in one volume he made a very exclusive set for a few people that he gave out to but at the end of the day it sold today as five as a five volume set anyway not only does it have um uh in volume five okay we'll get back to momentarily okay now what what is this work um um in short or maybe not in short in the in the words of rakhine i've i've mentioned already a bunch of times um has this custom which is a great custom actually that he talks about why he writes a particular safer and sometimes he actually even tells you what he used what he's trying to bring new to the table um and that is very very useful in general for someone when you want to talk about a safer and this is a very worthy endeavors many macabre they do explain what was their goals and their methods uh most notably the rahman the base yosef both of them have very very important introductions to this farm where they outlined their method their sac they even talk about a little bit about their libraries and very important information can be learned from these such sperm and mujankarievsky i don't know why but he also felt as important and he includes some of these types of information in the safe now so right away he begins talking about um israel and he already quotes you um there's a concept of um he starts out like this he says like this he says we have um we're in nagolas and kachim and tyrus we're not able to do okay but we can we have a we're able to learn tamil tire seder's run which is another one of the six saddam this even though it's we can't really observe it but now that we live in arts israel there's some aspects that are the iso some that are abundant and the people who live in artistro have those hosts kind of mississippi's parents and he brings down different sources about it and he brings down amongst the things when he talks about this is he quotes the adam in his introduction to the safer shahid said which we discussed last time says that when someone lives in the palace of the king so to speak erits israel he has to be nizar and be careful on being all the halachas properly so we want to know the halachas and that was justified his writing of the safer for someone who's living there um so to the so he brings this that exact quote down and he brings even more is that there's a safe hare than if someone was an artist okay and then he brings you down some more sources like he um like he's knowing to do from different places and he shows you for example people that come to visit aritis row have to be very careful obamacare police bar it's even if you come for a short visit as let's say especially um this year of shemitah it's it's very um it's very important to know a little bit about what what to do what not to do okay anyway then he goes on okay so now you're supposed to know it and we're living in artistrol he was living in arts israel so it's very important but um he says like this in hillchrome the mitsubishi said police barrett's the the how the paiskim were very macassar they didn't really talk about it much why was it because it was it just happened because it wasn't a gay and so even if one looks in chochanara you will not find too much about it even though in the times of the mahabharata who was living there to throw in spas it should have been relevant a little bit he says no the la maison mo most of the fields um was not the j we're not jewish fields probably and he talks a little bit about this also okay and and therefore shmita hilkoshmita is not really brought down in shokanara so you open up your yardair where you might think it should be in some places it's not there he says it there's a little bit okay anyway most other areas are not brought down in arts israel and this is a key point of information which he talks about over here is in those days it was so small and everything was mostly owned by him as i just said so therefore they really weren't miref about this and i had asked the question why doesn't the base yosef who's living there to israel talk about it why don't we see any hebrew from the glaciers so here you have we're pranking we have to be really answering the question about this topic it's fascinating says since it was very small and it wasn't really relevant so i wasn't written about we've talked about like the opposite approach even though it's not really relevant but it's disgusting himself does that so this is a little bit different right yes correct but he anyway he says now bismuth where i'm when i'm 1980s already that we have the the the artist's world and this rabbi yeshabara to stroll and he says roy vakar is who's the owner the jews you heard them so then all these alohas come back to being like so what happens is so someone who's looking to know the halachus doesn't have where to look he says even though the adam which we spoke about last time wrote a safe ashari said and we have the safer pastor and he says so firstly he says the other muslim cultural and the safer pastor shulkin is only on him it's only a part of the topics which i elaborated more in the previous episode so he says like this comes along the kazanish and i outlined how he got till the point of the fascination the late 1930s when after he comes out to israel he starts putting out a bunch of skarm on the hill his hearts as well and he was mavar the nyan of zroyn befrat with a doge of halacha but says anyone knows and anyone in the shiva world knows this for sure when you open up the kazanish you've got to be holding deep deep in the sugya and if you want to know what kits are in the bottom line it's very very hard to find it you have to be he says you have to learn to be in and you have to learn all the different things and you have to know the different pieces in khasanesh and different places he could come back and talk about it in all over and run so he said um now we don't even have a gemara as we elaborated last time also so it's a very it's kashal it's all over in the savannah so he's going to he decide and not only that um it's only in uh it's um so because of all this bottom line says i want to make a location a safer that's going to have the halachus because it's not enough they were too much and plus even the khazanesh who did an excellent job it's not in a form of halacha that someone who wants to get to the bottom line with adam to learning all the details could get to so he says like this he says he say he was learning it and we know this already from previous episodes here kanknewski used to learn tara cool every year so israel was definitely one of those areas and when you look for any halacha it's very hard to find so he decided he's going to take from the khasanesh she's going to put it on to say that the rambam and he's going to make sort of because it's because as he said there's no chauffeur and he's going to make a safer with all this material in it okay he says like this when you look in this rambam's run it's not only mr saturday's moderate because there's also hill shatness sadaka for example padina ben gets in here so he he says is i'm going to put those in here also because that's the rambam includes that in say this so you're going to have that also and amir hashem will discuss that um and it's all and it's at its top okay i've khan rakhine kanewski explained why he did it and and a little bit so what is he so he says but where did i get my material from it's not only just kazanish and rambam i'm saying that would be that that's not enough so he says like this he says i had mishnais now also we have to just put this a drop in context for one minute is that today everyone's spoiled and you could go on the internet you have internet in your house most people in america at least and even their a lot of people whether they admit it or not and you have it's a hakama you have hebrew books and you have thousands and thousands of swarm at your fingertips but even in the 1980s when kankaski obviously started working this in probably a few years with the 1980s didn't have you one didn't have all this foreign so accessible i'm always amazed universitroll there's a dearshoe website which is a phenomenal website in america they don't have it all the forums i said hebrew i don't know seems like the americans are lagging behind and using the internet but okay that's for another another conversation yeah correct a hundred percent anyway so so the kids are even in the 1980s and as i said he finishes as 1996 which not so long ago it's still not everyone didn't have all these farm and not only that as i'm going to say they did not even realize the significance of holy swarm and even today where people have heights of hakama they still don't realize about the significance of all these farms so he says like this i had a mishnays okay because we know what we have is mishnayis is the starting point of zero i have your xiaomi avatar the rambam okay great then he says uh and my good friend was working on your xiaomi with different mafarian and he had manuscripts um of the usmi and the rashform manuscript and the biographer manuscript and the rush that we spoke about also from manuscript and this good friend of mine who is this good friend this is because it seems to be closest friend i believe it was reberyl weintraub sorry about doing vantram and this rip um um was was the head of a project that was putting out the rochelle me on multiple volumes with various purusha including putting it out with all these different manuscript materials okay so i had all this my girlfriend made this accessible to me i also had the remarkable zadek which we discussed in the 1970s came out from a bunch more manuscripts so he says what does he say okay he's stressing what i'm using then he says i have a a new version of the persian mishna isla rambam we said the ramaman was one of the most important purusha mondram it's persian so what is this parish that he's talking about he has a new parish of the rambam the answer is he's alluding to doesn't say that specifically who translates from the arabic to persian and this is already it's spoken on the sperm that that's why he's referred to and throughout the works of derek you'll find that he quotes um based on a new version of the of the the new translation and then what he really means to say is cap why he doesn't say capac's name anywhere i don't know um i'm not sure there is definitely uh people that grumble about kappa but that's beyond the scope of this okay then he says i have um all different australis which is very important why because all the different your studies out there a lot of times helps shed light and to understand this fine okay so this is number one what he has which is which is a bunch of note bunch of manuscripts obviously this will be discussed amir zasham in a future episode much more barriers okay then he says i have the mufarshim on mishnais besides i have a stan you know today everyone you when you learn mishnais i mean today probably more and more it's becoming that people just use the art school mishnais but even a few years ago before people would use kahati or some people that don't like to use kathy they used to use it called the mishnais with the akhena voyage it was printed in vilna and has multiple perusal on the side very important portions he says besides that i had that mishnayis and used it but i also had a bunch of purusha my mishnahs what do i have so first he tells us he has rabino nasim uzurabena nasan from the top early early on also printed from manuscript um in more recent years then he has the best double the shanna muldaw so this is its own schmooze which we're not going to go through now but basically these are very important perushima mishnais written by the khazdavid is that i believe it was okay then he has it's now why what's significant is basically he's telling you and when he was writing this this was very important you it wasn't enough to just learn mishnais and have the different farshim you need to look at all the different purusha mama schneiders and this is okay then he says that what about we we already mentioned what's the this since there's no battle you got to jump through xiaomi so he's just saying you should me i had manuscripts he adds this i also had purusha maniacal besides the standard pollution he says i had rash sirloof which we discussed by rifus because it only started coming out manuscripts rum in in recent years as we listed them then i have to stay in xiaomi sorry stay yeshua marie fulber say four near and name your shaman which we also spoke about from razor kharif then he says what else do you got to learn you gotta look at the taisefta who's in the cefta besides you stand there vilnius so he says yeah he had has the david from again one of the most incredible works on te sapta which today it's more available but for centuries it was unavailable and the jazz from okay fine now we're talking about rambam so he says let me tell you what i have in the ramen besides the standard rambam i have a carryout safer so that more famous everyone knows this the when you learn rambam you always got to use the carrot safer i i heard um from a rav recently giving a shirt he said briskers are very fond of the cure at safer they're constantly always trying to stop in a schnickelter of the rambam that oh i like to carry out safer okay anyway that was a cute line that this ruff set over anyway and then he lists out a few other mafirshimi hands fine then he goes on i have what about it's also important to know about the turkish kaihanim and it's a free so what do i have again manuscripts because of the rabbina hillel have a rashmichahansa i've arrived for it say that so this is the the main text now what about is there any other form that he uses so it's interesting he says i have the shahrie sadek of the adam the pasa and then he says i have the shohan so here again um i'm just to stress he says i'm using which we also discussed was a brand new discovery um that no knew about that even existed and was all of a sudden the late 30s 40s it comes out and he's using it one goes through there will find you'll find that he quotes dark hashochan all the time okay and yes he quotes and also all the time yeah then he has the terrorist run which we spoke about and the migravis so this is just to throw out there a lot of people are very fond of saying he's not into london he's not a london he's a bucky without getting into this at this point maybe we will elaborate a drop about it one day but here we see he was concerned about his farm too and he brings down the brisk alumnus and the the the islamist farm also and one looks through their hamuna you'll see that he quotes them fine and then he says of course back to the khasanesh and what materials he's using for the khasanesh foreign so ad khan we have the list of what represents he says i'm using for my hebrew now um so that's part one what is he using i have all these materials fine now how does he so if i could throw out a question you've talked about it this episode other episodes all these kiss they add hadron who said rashbound 23 in his apartment learning day and night where do you get access to all these environments someone bring them to him did he where do you guys i know you mentioned once you got to tel aviv you have any idea so i hope to devote a whole episode to this because it's much more than just that he got it it's the fact that he used it because he could really make your question even stronger it's very well known in the yeshiva world that the the main person i would say in the past century that was against using all these manuscripts is the khazanesh how could someone such as the greatest talmud of the khasanesh or one of the greatest hamlet how could he use it throughout his farm excellent and how he got them also was an excellent question and hopefully we will meet hashem devote a whole episode to discussing all about this with because it plays out in all this farmer hank especially but um so therefore there's no short answer sorry i would love to give you a short answer there's no short answer um but okay now what's significant is that how does he okay so now we've said his library and in general just to throw out there it's very very important to know the library of a particular goggle when you learn various forum you it helps one understand when they bring down quotes if you know what safer he's using sometimes you want to look it up if he's quoting from a secondary source what swarm he held is important to use when you say someone wants to learn drum here you have a blueprint and hanging is telling you these farms are very important to use when you're learning is wrong okay anyway um but now we have that how does he set up the safer that is um the question how does he set up this safer so he goes on and he tells us i'm setting it up like the mishna brewer why he poisons in it's easy to learn and to and so what does he do the top part is the text is the rambam then he has a beer on the side and then a morbid indica beer and then sources on the bottom okay now before we discuss this he he basically if you open up the shower of the actual safer he says the first part is the rambam mishna tower safe israel and that's the text the prime text then on the right side on certain pages and obviously is like the mishna brewer mama submission then he has beer like the girl and the bottom what we when you open up your standard mishna brewer there's a shared see and he calls it now he so he says in the shower of his safer he says what's the beer what he calls he's going to be mavar the rambam making a leaker from right by cena mafirshim bringing other ishain him and he's going to try to do it in the kitchen and also be frat we say from iran for what reason le mans so if someone could run through kolkata viacom i don't know how fast you could really learn what's wrong doing this but that's what he says and he says what's the birth dear in the beer in the cats are here i'm going to go through this and then seeing allah i'm going to give you makairus i didn't just make up this stuff so i'm going to give you mccair's for this now one has to understand over here is that the beer and this this i would like to um explain a little bit more is that when he says that i'm going to do the beer halacha what does this mean so right now the way he says it is he's doing he's it's a it's a sort of a copy of the mishna brewer when you open up mr brew and you open up this it looks the same now there is a very very fundamental difference and this is a very interesting the kuda to know about the mishna brewer everyone knows that the mishra is safer and then he has a mishna brewer and he has under and then he has on the side he has a hebrew which he calls birhala in the battle the sharatin has is where the makaires are from and sometimes he'll have a very brisk comment and be a lockhart as he goes through this does not go through every single suggest there could sometimes be wholesaling where he doesn't say anything in bara and why is that and and when you compare this to the beer halacha of kantonewski literally he ev he doesn't miss a thing and these beer halakhasams could be even a few pages long he goes through the sugya he has everything in my rubber terms he has though he throws in the whole kitchen sink he brings you down all the way shining he brings there everything you you see rapunzel writing out very very clear how he got through the whole studio from the if it's a from the mission from your xiaomi from the whatever he's using as disposal and he's handling different things that'll be my fault but many other stuff which we'll see more so and but if you look at the misha brewer many times there's nobody didn't have what to say about all of our so this is the the site the site is that back to the safe which i've already quoted numerous times and i will continue to quote him because we'll get to more aspects is the son who took part of the writing in the mississippi with his father gives us insight and he says like this the did not feel that he needs to put in every single piece of torah that he has on our hayam into his mission then the volume would have been much bigger he put in things that he felt was important also it's interesting i i think he writes it somewhere also that he wants to show that it's just not he didn't just like make up these halachus and he collected them from a bunch of sources that he looked he checked up these properly but not everything one sees or learns or writes is meant to be printed so much so that he writes that when he was young the blade writes that my father saw that i'm writing notes stamina and he was like why are you writing amazon if it's not for print and not everything you print not everything you write should be printed anyway because the time means had an interesting approach that not everything a lot of people especially today bar hashem we live everyone has computers so everyone likes to write much more than ever before i mean just look during the corona the amount of um articles that came out whole swarm about every single topic people were stuck at home not always farm related to corona many sperm came in afterwards because people had time to learn so and but before corona even the computer age brought on that everyone is able to write and people like to write and it could be it's a very good thing because the time didn't hold that everything that one writes should be put out for the masses so even though the who we know and we would love to have much more beer he didn't print all that he had to say about our in his work on mishna brew whereas he held and he put in everything you say there you can you definitely can't as he says he talks about the the called um derek murray you could run through it you definitely cannot do that by the bear halacha you've got to be holding the e b and into the sugya with the macaris and then only then maybe would one be able to um understand what's going on and what he's adding to the sugiya if he's adding where he's arguing etc etc but okay so this is a fundamental interesting thing that even though he's tapping the mishna bhura he's there's a there's a fundamental difference is that the mushroom is much shorter than his beer okay now um just to mention as time is short we'll just mention two more nakudas related to this and that is like this he says he emphasizes and this also i hope to devote its own um um about it is he stresses everywhere possible that this is not halal you say the mission brew everyone knows that's the go to allah allah almighty safer says reading the shower of my safer that it's not casual that's not the tacos it's only for what the so you should remember it and should be easy to find but not to do it then at the end of his introduction he says then after this introduction he has in bold letters then he says i am bringing down different things no even mash uber machine rubber cena ice cream ain't zella divorum you should be easy to look um the culture came what he says i'm my thing don't rely on it got to speak to a balayage or learn them properly et cetera et cetera so the so there is so i'm pointing out now another fundamental difference between the thera muna and okay and um and just the end over here he says um he he does bring down the hazard why he says uh he's bringing them again we already mentioned this and now form also because who basra um especially in the union of mitsubishi okay fine um um from the introduction for now so just to clarify um and add a drop to what i said already um today so derek a few boring points just to run through them so there hamuno is a perish on the rambam so one would expect when you open up your hamula this is where it's going to be the hassagas of the rivet on the rambam and you you will be shocked to see it's not there so the answer is it's for some reason the stapler held that it shouldn't be um printed in this in this one the four volumes the ravid sagas are not printed he does deal with privates in their hamuna all the time but it's not printed and volume hey which has which is mostly the 606 page index on the holder he put in all the rivets on zero okay that's number one number two is we discussed the writing the first um episode about a hebrew of the that rokhan kanyeski was was very into seeking out macarius of the rambam can he wrote a safe here at mellah so he once ram now that he's writing a safer which is rum it seems he has new materials relating to that keramela and some other materials that are not found in the kiryama and that is also found in volume five of the um okay um and there are differences there's you know ones should still use the carrier melech but also in this keyboard it's printed in the back in volume hey okay that's another um thing to throw out there another thing is like this recline can you ask you were talking about that the dara hamuna is his major monumental project on on mitsubishi's birds haters ram so after this work came out he put out a word called chara muna and interestingly enough it's called in the safer sharia muna do you read as follows that while i was learning israel so i saw that is even though we have the rash and rambam and all these different versions but there's something that's missing what's missing the derek of the marshal so i'm going to write such a work that's diamond to the martial now this goes great because one of the earlier episodes we explained now the khazanish is very into the martial esque where a whole hebrew one of his earliest kiburn is on the marsha so it's interesting that's ram he fell to it's missing marsha and he's going to copy somewhat something to do with the martial in this three volumes available on hebrew books at least maybe two of them maybe three of them but it's so it's also an in-depth work focusing more on the rash and the random a lot of materials are you are for or you would have to still seek out anyway it's another volume it's another three volumes of his when one is learning's rum to keep to to know that okay now and just two more um pechas as i like to call them is is the so i have been asked and i've seen asked why didn't mishna brewers on archim why didn't your day he was asked and he answered that that's a different schmooze but what about zero so in the work that i've quoted already today and many other times the time son says someone asked him why don't you write a safer saka lachanze israel it's everyone's the song when you're the living area to throw already in the 1930s 1920s whenever this question was asked so the covet time said give me twenty years and i'll write you a hebrew on now i don't know how long it took for hank we do have better technology than the um the times time but it could be it took him 20 years we don't know exactly when he began working on it maybe people in the know do know and in the light of the amount of literature that's coming out of johannesburg on the steady daily basis between the internet and actually svarim and chuvis could be someone will say specifically which day even he began but i don't know yet to answer that question it could be taking 20 years anyway and one last um i mentioned also that the the that there's a fundamental difference between the beer halachus of the bir allah khan kenyawski whereas the i meant to quote um a few minutes ago i was talking about it that the actual lotion of the time that when my father wrote to be allah he was very careful not to show off it was not not to go with regardless he didn't want to like so he felt that there's no need to just put out everything all the possible terrorists that he had related to into the missionary he also points out that it would have been very expensive to put in everything about um relating to arakayam um starting from scratch um you'll be endless just to get an idea um one of your bravadian's sons has started a series called um they're holding i think something like 20 volumes and they're still only in what's called will be equivalent and this is where they officially go through all the sugiyas by simon by simon while the reshaying macraem chuvas everything and this is on everything it's 20 20 volumes with today's technology so okay anyway um now the the koniewski it seems someone must have written him a letter about that you're copying the mishna brewer something to the effect i don't know if it was the title we don't have the what the letter was but anyway he says um he says it's not there are similar similarities says says rokan konievsky in this letter but it's definitely there's many differences one of them he says is that was a going awesome-ish so i'm not in that league says another thing is he he says wrote his and i'm not writing my say for allah okay he does he does say some other things which we'll we'll return to uh shortly okay these are some of the things i just wanted to clarify from what i said already and and now we can move forward okay you're the perfect person if anyone knows this you probably did research on it i'm the first person that wrote a safer in the style of mr brewer you've told me in the past this expression of mach mr brewers so has this been tried has there been back and forth about this fill us in that topic of mach mr brewers okay so it's very the the i'll tell you like this um my when i moved to ramaphe that my rav until he was suddenly nifter was and one of the things he was very fond of was what he called fake mushroom bursts and he had a special collection of all of the different fake mishna brewers and any time someone else would put out a mishna brewer a fake mr brewer which i'll explain what that means he would he would buy it automatically even if it was good not good he would buy and and there are many and what it means is like this the mission of brewer it seems it could be the mission himself came up with this i'm not clear yet if someone else did it before him but basically misha guru we know had on top is the mahabharat slash rama on the side he actually has the baradaila and he has the shahi chuba bear hateful which why he didn't take out is beyond the scope and then he has his mission so so and we've already explained earlier today what the points of these things are and esky copied that without minus the character slash perhaps the variable okay now what the benefit of this is running on to this is one could have halachalam isa sources and the be in the components in different sections so someone wants to just get the bottom line has one parish to look at someone wants to look at the suggest has one thing someone wants to know sources as the back so it's very it's a very good setup so what happened is is that in already from when the mission brewer did this many people i don't know many i don't know the exact dating i didn't map it out but already from on the mission with the star to do this some works came out doing a similar type thing um now in more recent years after the mission there has been an explosion of such works literally an explosion um yesterday i was just looking randomly in shul yesterday the day before i opened up different spot i'm not for this reason and all the time look there's another mission right i don't know about it i didn't know about this you open them up now a few years ago a friend of mine professor yaakov spiegel wrote about this phenomena in a safer of his on the history of swarm called amudim but all the safer ivory so it's a five volume five volumes currently in the fourth volume i believe he has a whole auricles about this concept that any and he lists out and he discusses the differences that there are so to speak on you'll find people take a topic there's one on your there's a few on your day they're not on the whole year a day a lot of times they could be just on a specific seven but they decide that that's the best way to do it and he lists out and discusses the different aspects about it in in his say from tell us if um interestingly enough um someone wrote a review where he sort of had i don't know exactly what his criticism was but he has some criticism about why kankanyewski did this okay but but but as the whole there's so many of these farm out there there's actually a fellow that wrote an article after spiegel came after spiegel's material came out using spiegel and more um his name is um hariel devere and he wrote an article it's titled svarum and he wears this printed this is printed there's an online journal that comes down monthly uh eightzer and it's affiliated with aitsr and they put out once a month a journal is gonna be 300 pages of all different types of articles and one could get the pdf one can get a sign up for the journal and get it every month in the beginning of the month anyway this fellow wrote a list out listing out on dialog what there is so if let's say you want to know sim and this this is there such a mach mishna brewer he now he even did even more he adds links so you could hit a link and you could get the hebrew books if it's some of them are in hebrew books some of them only already said some of them are not and he has this long list and he says he hopes to update it to say there and there's numerous numerous works not only is it undoubtedly the spigot also deals with people took sections of the rambam similar to what the rokhan kansas did for israel they did for other sections and there's coming out in tyrus a few of them are out there i just picked up a massive one recently done on par on um and and they're all incredible they now some of them did go very far because if we said rokhan kanyevsky had the beer halacha of the of of rohingya is very far from the beer aloha of the time some of these guys go much further than they have tons and tons of tire but at least there's a there's this breaks and it's easy it's easy to use anyway and for americans the very famous is that we have one of the big pisces in america um revival cone he wrote to bader shulkhan which is also this type of style um his bir allah is i would say closer to the sky i'm not rakhine kenyanski and definitely not like somebody's his son also is also has been following this and put out also a bunch of volumes and um so we have an america representation of this phenomena also it could be there's many others that are always from america i did not exactly um trace the whole story just to end um um one kudus not only is halacha the kasparov so i've quoted already a few times as this river tiger who was very close with rakayan kanyevsky so he did it for rambam chuva a massive incredible work that has thousands of hours from okay that's the rambam he did it in the torah that's similar to the to the mishna brewer but then he also did is he took the khasanesh and he wrote about the top part he has some shyness and then he has a beer halacha and mishna brewer and character all about himself not a a collection of specific sacramento came through but uh the history of the conservation deity in the form of mission brewer it's a very um um cute booklet one could see um just to show you how it looks it does it's called contrast you open it up and it has on the top you can see a mahabhara and then it has the the materials okay anyway it's a cute thing just to know about fun so this is ad khan um about or whatever term whatever best word is suits to discuss it but it's a big phenomena and i'm sure it's going to get more and more as time goes on and if anyone wants the article of this rep of disrepair you could send me an email and i'll send you this article which lists out a lot of the such works that are acting okay so ad khan we discussed a little bit about the similarities with commissioner and his inter and rakhine king asked his introduction in derek now the first thing is i would like to compare the for the my introduce my introduction to their hamuna was two parts it was the shaitan and that are on so did what is your how does that list that i gave compared with ryan kanievsky so that's number one and then obviously number two is are there's farm that are not listed and is there a reason behind why they're not listed oh that and then after that i mean to shine the next in in the next episodes we'll we'll start going into more into the actual there are different aspects into the actual dark moon okay so just briefly we we at the time we just in the previous episodes we went through various visualion so there's the riemann pizza deck the rambam perishables says i'm using with the best manuscripts rashmichands we also mentioned edition with manuscripts again kanyevsky says his introduction is using it say for truma we discussed that uses this throughout we mentioned he'll just tour miyoko starts his trail that was only discovered in the 1900's so kankness he definitely uses that he does not mention it in his introduction but he uses it a bunch of times in there what about the captain of afera for some reason he does not mention in the introduction but he used the cassadar a lot and we will get to actually more about that in a later episode marash sirloff all the time he quotes it it was as i said it was started coming out and from binet black people even and he quotes it okay moving on to the chronium he discusses it in the introduction um he talks about it and he definitely used them to say there tyra it's from aisha clears um which we also discussed he uses his works in his derek okay and obviously the khazanesh he uses casador in his um through that that's on every page you'll find um numerous numerous things from the khasanesh but okay now in this letter that i quoted in the safer called igor asking him about 67 the mishna brewer to the darakamuna so he says not only rakhine kanewski already points out that the mishna brewer one of the goals of the mission rule was he was trying to get all that chronic and to rewire everything but he says i'm not trying to do that i'm not trying to um i'm not writing the miso i looked at the swarm on the rambam and the stuff that i lost out of my abdomen but and it has but i'm not trying to see every safer that's out there furthermore he says i didn't have everything i'm not being a massive color magnus and i i never write anywhere that i'm trying to include all the information so if i'm missing things it could be i didn't have the sparham in my possession now why is this significant because the significance is because of what i'm about to discuss right now and that is looking and comparing from what i said in my introduction about learning's run and also some new additions there are certain swarm that rokhan kanyeski sometimes he uses and doesn't talk about and sometimes he doesn't use and the question is why now okay let's go in order so one heber which i can ask you he doesn't have to list it out because he it's included in the mishnah's vilna which is a pharisee's role so teresa's role besides for writing um on his parish which was put into it's called yahoo he also wrote various hadamards um to different parts of mishnais and sometimes he has other hebrew shabbos he has excellent keyboard which is kim and for client he has a hebrew called a client it's now it's only about 10-12 pages and it has 150 approximately 150 parts with information rakhine can you ask me quotes this throughout the february of but he also quotes pharisees all the time so it could be he didn't put in his introduction because it's only on client it's not in the rest is wrong so he didn't feel that he has to spell it out um and also he says that i'm using the now interesting is that pharisees roll um without getting by riches over the years has gotten um flack and what just to quote one such source there was a very interesting um yid also an interesting person put out a very thorough book based on manuscript materials that are uh currently housed in the hebrew university library um a whole thorough book about him it's saying some one of this farm that he wrote deals with um hazal science and all these different indiana and someone wrote different letters um criticizing um he puts in some excerpts of letters that people criticized um north camelhaw so in the in the masterminding it's so he you could see that he says he lists out a bunch of swarm that has him used to not learn he says one such safer is what mishnais and pharisees they didn't learn marina buchen they didn't learn malbum they didn't like hadoop they didn't learn kuzuri but he says look those kaseed them this rough camel writes what ended up happening we end up it ends up getting quoted plenty and so anyway but there were people in different times certain passages in pharisees troll got people nervous but anyway be there as a mayor or kind kanyeski does call to pharisees role crusader in their hamuna he just doesn't mention in the dhamma and especially on clients that 11 page keeper he deals with cassandra okay there's another person and this person i did not meant i forgot to mention in my earlier introduction who was he he was the russia shiva of yeshiva state's time he dies in 1887 alitwak who made aliyah at israel and for in the 18 um maybe 1860's around and he's a russian shiva of yeshiva um very close with rashmul salant i think for some reason i recall that he was in velajian akapanami wrote a bunch of khashoggi's farm most importantly he wrote two small spira man's rum and this would need to correct what i said earlier in the previous episode in the 1880s there was two small sparring written on hilf israel and this was written by this uh maybe you know perhaps he's a forefather to the kahana family that was in tarvadas and it was we'll be america now i don't know i mamas don't know um they're much more hasidish they're much more hasidish but it could be there are they are somehow connected i'm not sure um but anyway he's a very very interesting person is she doesn't inertia's role in the 1870s 1880s but it's not for now but aquaponics has two swarm at least two pharmacies are related to israel one's called eretz refits which are franklin i didn't notice quote sometimes i didn't check how many times but he has a say for hookah's island which i did not notice behind kanyeski quoting but it requires further eon because it's not so easy to check where hank can ask he quotes because a lot of times he uses russia tavis and if you use different types of russian tavis so it's not easy to check if he did quote it or not okay another person which i omitted which is a which is embarrassment for me is that deres adaris who comes to you shalom and he's the last few years of his life he becomes he was supposed to take over salant he ends up dying before but he kind of started to struggle to be the the rather you shall i am there's a whole big tumble about who is going to be the revolution there there's a lot about that but anyway that deres one of the things that he was very involved with when he came um we have a lot of accounts about it one could find in this book uh alberta there's a leo he was also involved with the different aspects of ishaver it's of mitsubishi byron's fixing it up making takanis and he actually even wrote a safer or two which maybe we'll get to maybe we won't in a different episode that relates to um mrs atlas bar it's one of the issues that that comes up one area at least okay anyway that's not theirs okay um now i mentioned i mean not not a real bad request but i mentioned that where i felt it it started zerum began being learned was from a coyote kyle karim sv from which was the founder was rebuking rosenthal and the heads of this kylo ren's red sweet pace of now this coil i mentioned they put out a clevis crusader this privates um maybe at least a violence called karim i think his name i think that's the name and i told i said it's mentioned on hebrew books who was the righteous kylo rexy pesa frank now ortiz are frank already was one of the that were great taiyanim very close to salam incredible individual which is kadai to be mired on him a lot but not now uh he was expert in drum he was the he was the plastic of you shalin not only was he in x-men's room he wrote a lot about rum a lot of the materials found already in these volumes interestingly enough this these these eight massive volumes are not quoted in their i located one time and i have it's very strange why not now i don't have an answer you mean you've gone through the whole dark moon already be ian so you know exactly where everything's quoted no no no i wish i wish but i looked around a lot of places in the in this farm i looked through many different parts in this in darkhamuna hamuna learn different sections already i did not systematically go line by line anyway um but he does but but also after a while once you find different things you could search different words and different things but anyway i noticed one time he quotes it he does quote his covets one time and it's his brother-in-law that he's quoting i reviewed the love you're not giving away all your secrets that what you're not giving away all your secrets oh how how to do it no i will definitely not magicians never give away the um the magic tricks anyway um what's significant is sweet pesa frank was wrote a lot about zero so much so that if you buy a truest heartsv one will see that two volumes are other devoted israel so to be fair they start coming out in the 80s and later on but there's no mention you will not find the mention of absolute peso frank in the derek now some people find this it could be very bothered by it because if this is the point of the safer is to take everything so why isn't it here so already the letter that i'm quoting from frank miske says i'm not trying to quote everything just because he happens to quote a crazy amount of material he's off the hook because he says i'm not trying to go everything causality is by me what i'm trying to quote if you get me on a hazelness then richard nancy would say you know then that's important but everything else yeah what he puts and he puts in but not everything is in there now interestingly enough and this is something i'm definitely not going into but i will say the following story and this will give us perhaps some context to why um frank is not quoted in the safe and that is his files when i was a baker i was once learning and i learned in the mirror and i was learning in the eight sir and somehow there was some people got into a fight about something i don't remember how it started and then somehow someone said something and then i normally i would never pipe up i said you know something what do you mean see pesa frank um says it's mutter whatever we already know the kazanish doesn't hold of him i'm like what anyway i controlled myself i said okay you understand what you're saying almond held as rebbi is is one of his main robins repeats what are you even talking about but i held myself back i i but i was curious what did this guy this yeshiva guy mean when he said this you know like to push away or two peso frank and he wasn't even in bene brock this is taking place in you shalom in the mir either i was very bothered by it so i had a a relationship with a ve with a very hush view charlemagne his name was so i next time i spoke to him i asked him i said what's the story with two peso frank i said now to understand this for beyonce it was a very um came from a canoe sheet of russia a very friend uh close to the aid of haredis but he said merciful frank unbelievable i knew him very well i i spent a lot of time talking to him and learning and allah and all different things i said what's the story with the khazanesh so he said yeah the hazards did have tightness on him in different aspects most of it had to do with within shemitah but he said i'm going to tell you a mice and you'll understand sometime from this mice the the way different good limb and then the way some things um turn out from this and you'll it will be clear from the following it seems ruby also had a very good friend that learned to laugh by a very close friend rakhine brim very famous person and rakhine brim learned a lot of and he would come from the neighborhood to you shalom to say there he lives in and he and he would tell over what he told over the stuff that was going on in lay back by the hazard so one time he came back and said that has nisha's mom is going very very bothered by a certain cash i think it was in katja and he didn't have an answer and his mom was breaking his head over this top so they asked the kasha turtle pesach without batting an eyelash let's see basic frank gives an answer so they bring back the answer to the kazonish mom but even though they had a machis the khaznish still held her two pesach not like this bachelor who was being you know besides that he's a young whippersnapper as they would call him even though the argues aren't he he you have to put in perspective and a lot of times in a lot of machines and especially today the outsiders the people that are not into the uh not into the learning they take and get carried away with macholicus and that might be stuff that's beyond us now it happens to be that in recent years there has been more material about the majority of the khasanesh and the end with relating to shemitah one such set of materials is fat can be found in the ginseng has that i've quoted a bunch of times that there's been multiple volumes that have been called um and and there we see some of the materials where material that red seaface are frank published in this case it's karen that wrote sharp um responses to that anyway this might be somewhat what's behind why on some level there's different approaches in halacha and learning aaron c pesach is not necessarily um looked at especially in the newer generation any okay now going on that note i'm looking at the safer you look at abdominal we spoke about those which the safer that's that's the question so it's not an introduction it doesn't quote it so i was wondering the whole time always does he quote it or not and i remember that he that i'm pretty sure he does okay but before we get to if he does or not in the crime of the ignorant which is the letters of the khasanesh sorry of the steipler incredible letters there's a letter about the safer madani arts of on trumas or meisters of iraq and he says like this thanks for giving me the safer he says he says besides for it's amazing who bukitzer is a hebrew nifla and should be zaika to put out many more different so it has a glowing asgama from from the stippler and kanyeski everything by his father's kurdish kardashian so you would want to know does he quote it answer is he definitely does he quotes madonna yards many many times it's hard to find through searches because it's russia tavis i don't know what he quotes it casey there i don't know how much he doesn't shivers but definitely truman see in truma's he quotes him all the time okay now another person that we mentioned in the in the previous episode was rabbi yosef um now this revisif at the time i i said regressed its visar services of tel aviv so again i told you i mentioned already then he wrote a bunch of massive works on so you would think that it would be mentioned it's not it should be quoted somewhere in the safer i would say it's not quoted and i don't know why not but the question is even stronger and that is again we refer you to the crino the igrasa of the um of the stipler and he has a letter if i could find it one second someone seemed to have asked the stippler a question allah says i don't know i used to i don't i i don't pass conchaelis but weird that i used to send people for allah list this is in 1964. i used to send interviews so after i see this letter and this letter was brought up on on the internet and a thread all about some interesting information about distribution levy i don't have an answer and they did not either have an answer why he's not quoted he wrote massive swarm i don't know any political i i i don't think that i can't think of any political things furthermore he was very lit fish oriented i i mentioned before he was he opened up he founded a grush rule in tel aviv which a lot has been written about um put out the siddha agra and recently in the past few months two editions of this two new editions came out of the city why he was very very much moist or nephesh for hillchocera to swell and he wrote numerous farms so again the answer would be is the letter from rokhan kanewski says i'm not trying to quote everything so it could be did he just push it in love his life he also um wrote four volumes and he didn't want to have to write six volumes that each one of these revisions volumes are massive 700 some of them like 700 pages okay maybe that's the answer um fine okay now i would just like to um conclude with one last person and this last person we already discussed a little bit in the previous episode and now i just would like to talk a little bit about him and and this this will be the conclusion of this episode and that is as follows i mentioned that uh we mentioned it already a bunch of times is what's the goals of the of rakhine kanewski over here the goal is to collect the khasanesh did anyone else ever think of doing this beforehand the answer is yes was did this before so now the question is who's this for coming and more so do we find your kalman kahana mentioned anywhere in dara okay so let's backtrack we'll do this very fast there's files like this born in germany okay he's born i believe it was 1910 he ends up he gets a degree in the berlin seminary and in uh he was also in university in in germany and tremendous time he marries a rav in germany a very hush of a person ends up being the founder of yeshivas called tyrion tyrone artistro and he assists and he because he assists his father-in-law in germany still um with running tequila okay and not only does he assist his father-in-law running tequila he was a tremendous he was very isis in eretz israel and also just to point out he was a tremendous top he was a big talmud of the three days of weinberg okay he and he wrote various has paid them that he published various spain that he gave and he died and articles about him anyway he was very close with the balloon besides ashwara was a hush of a rav in germany and as i said he opens up call tire for us americans that that's the shiva there is album becomes rosh hashida now this yaki yid he was so meister nefesh already before when he's in germany so that he wanted to teach hiluka's place pirates so the only safer which is the safer we discussed very few times the shari said but in germany they did not have in the early in the late 20s early 30s copies of this they had one copy and they didn't have photocopying machines like we have so it seems what he did was he copied by hand complete proctor to give out from the one copy that was in the frankfurt library and to give it out to his tamidim so he could learn and teach them hulkhouse bars and this is how um shmuel emanuel in an article that he wrote shmuel emanuel and article wrote in in a few um approximately ten years ago barrow kamikahan this is where began with kalman kahana's um obsession so to speak about learning mr claudius birds for which he was isis as him about explain for 55 years in this topic now he comes to um he puts out many different safari one of them was all that shemitah in the beginning it was called different editions and in this hadamard he has a whole are because how to teach a curriculum about ram very very interesting i believe it's on hebrew books um very interesting how to teach it and and the importance how young people need to know it and the significance over here is that this person was very concerned with everyone needs to know it you learn he'll shabbos how do you know shabbat says your parents know what to do but coming towards this role you don't know what to do so it needs to be part of the curriculum so he explains how to be part of the perfect anyway moving on is he comes starts to throw and he starts he writes various questions to rakayam and he publishes some of these letters in the book of his a beautiful book which i put already more than once and he quotes some of these letters and he's asking all different questions about aries says there's a hush of a yiddin send your questions to him this is what develops into a very close relationship extremely close now this relationship was so close that all different areas of halacha relating to his ram he was a rav in akiba's so he brought them to the hazaris and he went with the hazard okay now he and he puts and not only that he puts out for the masses a lot of the halachus of eretz of mythos toys bharats also which is very that's what's very significant okay very good now one of the things that he was like we i think i mentioned already previously he put out he would put out say frank nida that became the go-to safer with based on sakura now one of the things is he's the lo he's for the fazinician so much so that he fights against frank he even publishes in one of his swarm a whole sort of attack on onwards and frank which summoned you shallai and goes ahead and puts out a heber to the federal defense of frank and then some people say that that hebrew is too sharp even though it's but anyway like everything else turns out that even though roxy hannah published on a defense of the khasanesh recent auctions have shown they printed the documents it turns out he was really just straight up kazunish for some reason that has didn't want to render his own name he had come and kind of printed this document to seven pages you could see it on the internet it was when our auction for twenty seven pages of the cousin is set twenty thousand dollars it's actually very little they expect it should go for much more anyway this is in recent years now um i'm not going into all the different aspects of whatever is going on over here but anyway he's loyal to muhammad of the khasanesh for everyone of shmita all over israel okay and one last point of significance is he writes they publish in in the standards of so i think i said already before but they put in the back hilcos clueless bar it's 15-20 pages for the curriculum of for school kids even based on the succumb of of who does this so not only is he the person that's fighting the muhammad first the shemitah and other things and getting it out there and he puts out other swarm for hamlin and he has conversation we're not talking about uh a guy that you know he's a good writer so to speak he was a tremendous talmud was holding israel you were um so his interest so i'm i'm saying is he was very involved with of of um so you would think somewhere it can be mentioned his name so it is it turns out there's a russia davis hey vav somewhere buried in hilharshmita welcome um i don't think was even alive when this came out already but in the sephirah swarm which is the enemy it says it's referring to hana is quoted once for a few different succumb um somehow gets in there but uh but the material of kalman kahana first it's not mentioned okay what's the answer to this question and the answer is as follows and i'm not i've obviously this is above my p grade to talk about these things so i'm definitely not talking about i'm just going to mention an akuda and leave you with this inaudible and then there's politics now politics is politics it's not just politicians who was a tremendous talmud and tremendous year shamayim and he was a talmud of god and he was a tr had a tremendous close relationship with the khasanesh he was also the head of one of the heads of a party a political party known as pi and this topic is endless and pi it seems that different times have different frictions with different although they had some of their own good islam and there's even very very sharp letters that the kazonish wrote it seems it's not clear if he meant that their common kind of should see it if he had karate about it all these documents sometimes they get leaked as they say were they supposed to get leaked weren't they supposed to get leaked incredible documents where in these documents one sees about the hazard mission and and how one's supposed to listen to governor for all areas and anyway they're printed in different places and of course there's always new scoops coming up about them but it has to do with pie now just to explain what i mean it's it's more than that the safer came out a bunch of years ago on the stipler told potoldis jacob now who wrote to say for totally active the grandson of ram yashaya kanievsky who's that the son of the stiper and it's a very reliable book he knew the stipler and he and it and who gives us kama a beautiful letter from kanievsky i'm glancing through the book and all of a sudden i get about i come across about pie two pages of quotes that are taken from the criner digger sir after one reads these quotes one could understand why rokhan kanyevsky is not going to quote raquel mckanna anywhere in in his their community now what does this mean you have to understand it's not just that was this guy and he wrote sakura he single not single-handedly but he was majoring to his rum he wrote dozens of articles being holding israel not only did he write dozens of articles he printed some of the reciting from manuscript that we have on bikurim and on schwiez he put it out with fancy additions but even more than that this is where the story in artistrol always gets interesting today one of the greatest coils that are involved with ram is a was headed by revision talmud averages so you'll want to know who started this coyote so you could say remember no afrati took over and it says it on all the paperwork everywhere you look always they don't hide this the kylo was founded by rakauman his obsession with heritage trial not only in his obsession he printed tons and tons of torah articles in the journal hamayan which is also affiliated more with the pie he published and wrote and and on all types of as i'm saying be indicative of pieces and he's defending the casual and to the end so much so that the with dinkles who i quoted who was the bar was was a person that had to do with the khazalish one of the articles kamikana defends the hazardous on his side from moving that was always isaac in it so i using it not just isaac again and he opened the bakayou about it he printed we shine him achronium halacha mysis farm about it and it's now headed by rafati talmud mover governor belyachev who is the father of anyway as they say in artistrol it's it's i'm an american so i definitely do not understand this i never i don't think i i don't think i'll ever be able to understand it this is weird um where two things clash it's called halacha and politics anyway i'm not a commentator on this type of vineyard we'll leave it up to people with they're much better suited for these type of topics but just this is why you will find that um even though he did so much for her to troll of mr soy's wife but more so for the kazanish this was the person who made the khazamish to the masses in his allah is getting it out there so much so we'll conclude this last sentence the kits are shuffling to show you the world of politics so for thirty years forty years kids eschko standard one that were printed in thousands and thousands of copies that students of all types are using which is based on common kind of slasher kazonish but a brack has a different edition of the of the kitsushokanarak today shapzi franco has different halakha's sister toys but it's probably also based on khasis but doesn't say anywhere with kamikana because it could be they wrote them up in a different thing to make will now get the more into the more into the meat of the actual safer and to the methods of okay in learning itself amazing so just to conclude thank you very much there's so much fascinating information there so those who got the schwoest edition of the mishpochah magazine rep david safir in his fascinating article on rabbi dr leo young actually mentions kamakahana and he says they're very very close friends so that's that anyone who wants that article either get a hold of the sprocket magazine or we have connections we could get you a copy of that article amazing article um and i have to say one thing um of an elephant a mammalian elephant who runs the caches department of the oh you i've heard this with him quite a few times he says when you go shopping in eric's stroll down the grocery aisle you're not just like looking for your groceries it's like elections you know i vote for the badass where i vote for the goodness to throw but i vote for bells you know deciding of what you pick okay so that's for the today's comedy thank you very very much lee ezer and we'll follow up again thank you thank you