Chulin Throughout The Ages

Welcome back to another episode with Rabbi Dr. Elazar Brat. We're back to our originals. Mak's Hulen is starting tomorrow. We're recording this on a Friday. It's close to Shabas where Rabbi Br is in. This will get out after hul begins but towards the beginning of hulen running through the history of how was learned throughout the generations and the phenomenal volume of information that's out there about so without further ado is going to get started because it's almost shabist but I want to mention the person dedicating this episode and Aviva Mustavski who are dedicating this episode Ben Mustavski is Nama and Aliyah from all the learning and understanding in school and that will come out that will come out from this episode without further ado Dr. Alzar take it away. >> Okay. So I'm also dedicating it my grandfather Spitz who was a expert in and for many years. This was a that one of the mak that was very close to his heart. So now there's just um as I'm going to show it's I think it is the most written about ma especially if you focus on the hakic literature and we'll outline some of it today. First the obvious question is why is it all we've been talking about everyone has learned knows deep into and we're going to go back to all of a sudden there's a break what's going on here the ra already in his addresses this question sort of once you're talking about we get to this and also starts handling it and then he starts analyzing it very carefully if that's the case why does the not go in order okay anyway so that is the first um nuda related to the mak. Now there's an interesting nuda with this maken which is relates to something. Yeah. It basically relates like this every certain makas. We we spoke about that there was something going there was someh that went on before learning the maka and and there was nervousness to learn these makas. We spoke about makasan even sometimes. So interesting is there was also there's an old messiah messiah in the great say for who was the best of the so he brings down that people before there was a tiny now one of the he says a reason like this because people when you learn you get very active and you start one shows how is on themselves And this might cause some type of kit in the um and that's why they they did it. So that was what he brings down such a mess. Now what's interesting is that um recently there was on the it's published this is from Frankfurt. So there's a so he writes that also such a thing that brought bringing down from um to make sure that Shamayim and there shouldn't be mikatri and stuff like that he brings he extends it with yamus and baba basra okay anyway so this was a hugger that was done by some and interestingly enough it seems at least some point in time when he would learn they were like this there's testimony in the incredible work of his autobiographic ical account called the safer zikurin which interestingly enough it seems some there's been discussion if it if it was supposed to be printed should have been printed how it was printed but bottom line over there it records such a thing about fasting before now okay but the question is what I believe is is a more pure to reason why why one would fast beh one before one begins makas and that and that's going to be as follows the important the importance of this maka and the relevance of this mak is remarkable as I said earlier it's the most written about especially if you focus on literature there's there's no end to the amount of works just on which is the first bunch of blood in this ma and even today where many people when they get so it's it's easier than the olden days olden days you have to master a crazy amount of tra all these things so today we're many people get do not but they do have to master and there's in every year there's multiple works that come out on all types to help one study that for the test and of the shak etc. Now a large part of is relating to this ma. Now the part of the nuda of this ma is our food the kashas everything depending what what we eat which is an integral part of our day. So that's the part of what lies behind in the importance of this ma. You have to in order to eat you have to eat kosher you have to eat meat or whatever you have the old aspects of. But furthermore as the maka goes on it it goes into other aspects that also relate to it. There's part of relating to and um and after you get to the aspects of there's then there's no there's all these type of aspects then there's of the animals which is what already is there's um then gets and many other areas come out there's also and other that come out this so are a very large part of our day-to-day life and you say let's say someone makes argument is beyond relevant etc etc but that's one day a week this is every day okay interestingly enough one of the works on so he talks about he he says one of the reasons why he went out of his way he gave shir he was a rabb mostly mostly a magir there he spent a crazy amount of time because of its relevance it has all almost all of this he says what I just listed out etc etc. So he went and he spent crazy amounts of time to learn it because this is what every and that's why he decided to put out his work on the material but he didn't just do he started with he goes he handles he says he didn't miss a tus in that he doesn't that he didn't write about with and he gave sh for years also okay anyway the point is this is the importance behind this the relevance is mamish incredible now in order to become a rv one needed to master many parts. It's not simple at all. L Marshall um in the book which I'm very fond of quoting written about the Minsk God who dies in the late 18 in the 189 late 1890s. So it was written by a person to be very close with him. So he writes that when he became Rava Minsk which was a huge city. So he came in and and he realized he had to revamp all the aspects of the kash and to deal with all different things in the to make sure every and he was he felt like he's sort of again not wasting his the words not wasting his time. He was a Yid that didn't want to waste a second from learning. So it was very hard for him but was ne necessary. But the point is it was beyond hard. In those days when you read the history of of of becoming a RV it's sort of like scary the amount you forget about chabas forget about all other um of day on a day-to-day basis you asked questions on on all aspects of tra that came up lines out the door. Not only that, it also not only does the lines out the door, it was it was right because of the poverty. So they they you have to know it on mish any r had to know know it. So you have to know backwards and forwards and it's not a small makas. We're going to learn it's 141 blot. Um today we rely on tashist organizations. Okay. Now so just to throw out there two others and then we'll move on. First of all, this in olden days especially olden days even before World War II and even after World War II and even today he of m comes very much na because and plays into general how questions of sacans now in the small towns and all over Europe all the all the centuries and that's why it was relevant there was great poverty so different aspects had to become you couldn't always write you couldn't like email send off a picture to Rav and ask him in a different city to who's bigger than you to help out because it was spoiled by then they didn't have refrigerators and everything Now the memoirs that we have are full of or butchers getting upset at the RV and the RV and they don't like the heter of the they don't like the RV he was too mahm this that and it caused lots of lots of different things now over the years there's been numer there were numerous scandals but but not only numerous scandals sometimes they were based on certain shittas that different people had there was unbelievable amount of pulmus and they're all tied back to this new but in our day new technology changes it and new and we need answers for all these questions we need to have an understanding of the matas. So cautious organizations are very you need specialists. This is something I'm very fond of quoting and I found later on in a of that you need specialists in there's a concept of we finding the times of there were certain people that they were experts in certain areas and that's where everyone relied on and when you learn and you see this very much there's certain that in that area the the inkita that's the same you know the guy didn't write anything about yamas he didn't write anything about anything else we don't even know if he ever learned yamas but he became he was an expert in that area of Nikor Traphus and some of these people we know nothing about them and a lot of times that was their expertise now but today what a RV but it relates to us today arv it's not possible for RV to be holding in every single aspect of traus and everything they rely on other people that are experts and that's why when people think oh it's all about politics and all these types of things it's not at all about politics it's about a great necessity and obviously the question how it came in evolved exactly and all the different aspects is a is a conversation that needs to be dealt with and researched properly to see how it was but it was it's a very big necessity. I just will mention um two more and then we'll move on is as follows. One is that I have a article that my RV zezvalitz wrote based on speeches that he gave before I was in the shul about why one needs a r and what's the point of a of of a of cautious organizations and and this type of thing. It was a six p six-part piece where he writes very beautifully explaining the importance about it and all the different things. It's especially her a lot of times it happens that people think a lot of it's about politics and he wrote up a very a very beautiful way and I'm more than happy to share anyone who wishes to have a PDF of this article to read it how he puts it down in English uh very eloquently. Now that's one maraka another thing is just to throw out there is is as I said it caused it was a very hot topic. So one such work that feels with mameish every aspect of the um and controversies in the different different controversies in was from Yehuda Greenwald from Columbus Ohio who's famous for writing the work on he wrote a book called and he begins he says it's how much literature is written on the topic he's not going to attempt to do it over here and all different things happen but the point is you see the amount of literature and the chuvous and everything so he he gives you a lot of the stories and the context of what went on. And when you see when you're learning the even if you're learning in even if you're learning this in a this is how the looks and even if you're learning the um still you get to see a little bit about the issues you should be aware of the issues of what's going on now. So with all that it goes back to answering my question. My question is why the to fast answer is because you're because in those days what we're you're it's so you're taking on yourself something that you want to make sure you have the proper shaya that you're learning all about the kash aspects. So that was part possibly why one wanted to fast. >> You're not going to pass it on for someone who is going to listen to this after start. But if you would know about this beforehand, if we should fast on Shabasi when he's starting to on Shabas, >> I'm not passing that you have to fast. I'm saying that why one might fast. Some people some cynics might say, "Oh, when you learn, it's not true." Whatever. Okay. But anyway, I I don't um that that's not for me to talk about. Anyway, the point is there's so much happening and interestingly enough again back to this book on the of the Minsk he it's he says um that the the most literature of truous literature relates to food topics. Now obviously some Muser person today would say oh because we're still rang and the gashmas but it's not true. It's a very important part of the day life of people. So it makes sense that and and as I said it was a lot to do with money also. So it makes sense that there was so much literature written about this over the years. now. Okay. So, so this is just the first um introduction relating to what we're uh we're embarking upon ourselves as we begin to learn this mass. Now, one thing that comes up in this ma and it changed over time and now changed again back to is as follows. When you learn this ma it cannot be it cannot be emphasized enough how much one needs to know the simple mitsus of what's going on now there are numerous sources about this over the years I mentioned um different times some marmakus about it I'm not going to give all the marakimus about it but I'm just here to talk about and the tools out there and and before I begin is like this back to the say for the min so this book about the min he he he was a yid elabim sitting and learning and then he gets. So what does he do before he now he he knew and everything but he wasn't focused on so before he begins he goes into the um expert in the expert dian and he says I want to sit by you for a few weeks to watch everything. So the D's like embarrassed. What do you mean you're a you're what is what are you gonna I'm very scary to sit by me? He goes no you're expert hands on I need to see I didn't see I never saw animals I'm a person sitting and learning and basically he got from this person and it's very important that you there's there's the when it's an intellectual debate and then when it becomes a real reality. So he realized now he's becoming a rough. He's gonna have to pass me. He needs to know what's going on. What's what? So he went and he sat and he did and from this he got expertise in basically what we would call in simple English I mean okay but the point is it's a very ne necessary thing in general. Now for this maka solash there's this very very interesting autobiography from ID Friedman he learned in in various yeshivas and um he writes at one point in time he he um he he uh he pulled off he wrote he put together he was expert and he took he wrote on a piece of paper the whole he wrote a picture he made he drew up a picture of the animals with all with a secum of every single part of the animal and all the shilas and what the suckum are of the piskim in all different in all different things like a massive illustrated so you could see the picture and then on the on the picture all of all the days and he showed it to the and they both loved it and they gave because of it and they said he should print it was never printed but the point is there's something about seeing something it helps greatly and one other source for now is this that was written actually onita But the safer itself was never published from a referred um he published his chuva safer in 1903 in America and he got a gama from that darus and it seems that in his his safera he didn't have enough money but he got as it seems over there he made pictures that writes it's very important what you did because you helped young talid be able to see the the pictures of the animal for and tra every a prat and it's very helpful And it helps what you did and I believe very much into this into this that you did and we we're not to the safer but at least we have that of seeing that is also aware of the great importance of such a thing for learning the mak. So now when we go to our so there's a belt of literature in recent in more I'm not going to give the exact dates of everything but one yid was a yid who's still alive he's in his 90s mayor and he's published numerous he's expert in um in all aspects of animal sciences relating to animals and he wrote say for one of them is called andas he wrote um volumes about how food is made and the cases of food. He wrote a magic on Traphus Anikur is expert in all these areas and some of the works are still available. Other works of his are available on the internet Hebrew English and very very valuable usage um for to help one understand the it goes through the a lot of times with the and again this has illustrations. It sounds like he writes at least in one of his people are upset about the the pictures. Okay, fine. Another Yid that he gets incredible um from many many of the throughout the years is of so he put out what's considered like the go-to safer the edition that just came out is the 16th edition of this safer and again here he describes basically that he began learning the maka and he started learning it very carefully the garis and the rishim and he realized he need to understand so he went very carefully to see the matas of every aspect and he wrote up about it and he drew pictures and included pictures in this and till today I believe there's an addition that's available on Hebrew books till today it's available and thousands and thousands of lendim um um um swear by this book so to speak and are very into it it's very valuable there's also videos of his even on the internet I believe he speaks English and he helped many of the works that came out He's helped them very much art scroll the Hebrew and the English he helped them a lot and others now he has very about it says whatever he said over there in particular is okay but he he's one of you know in different we see someone that becomes like the expert he's one of them in understanding the mitsas but the safer it's not only just pictures it deals with in depth a lot of times in understanding showing a tremendous havana in the sugos another yid a great in America um who helped f helped bring to the the understanding of maka to the masses was raiski he's a very busy person involved with all different things and also rashiva pisk but many years ago he um he used to give mash mulin and everything and he made a video and he taught many many different live hands-on all different aspects of the and he also in general was an expert in all different areas and the sciences to show that understanding the mits he was a very big believer that you need to know the matsas and that helps greatly in understanding the maka and the and all the issues he had a tal of l who put out a book kulen illuminated which is available in English and now just came out in Hebrew who also learned by him a lot he also spent with gorgeous color pictures some gory for for some people. But the point is these works became the this and these are the like the classic goto you're learning and you need to understand anything what's going on. Um he sat by Rebelski. Reelski went through the safer very carefully. The safer the casulin um the author also helped him a lot and and then now what happens is that these two people as I said they work with art scroll. So art scroll shas is one of the most used shas it's very besides for the actual translation whether you're in Hebrew you need it you use it in English. The point is that it plays a tremendous um tremendous role in helping and they and they are based off of the materials of these rebelski and the um now there's also to mention professor Zar who's worked on a lot of these type of topics and written lots of books and his work on and all different types of things also very important but gets to the point I'm trying to bring out is visual aid and these type of things is very important for the ms Okay. Now, there are videos out there all hopes to release all different types of things to help the lum out there as they learn because as I said again the understanding the mitsus is beyond important. One cannot illustrate it enough. Okay. Now just to mention one more safer that just mish had off the press. I don't know when it's arriving to America. It just came off the from the printer from Ramight who he also some of he's also someone who's very involved with the mus um on old there was many interviews I believe and some with so he has a book it's called the the anda companion and this is an excellent work because he's taking away he's making it simple for the regular person you want to be able to you're not interested in a six million footnotes and to know every single thing but he basically he takes you in to from the knife, every aspect, all the all the different questions, the the mitz, the co the kosher animals, the knives, the snow, how you make it to how do you prepare the knife, everything with beautiful pictures. He goes to all aspects of the thing with including all aspects of with again with pictures. He also is a Yid who spent a lot of time speaking to all the different people um and oft valuable information in in this safer with a glossery. You know a lot of times you learn the you want to have just quickly what does the word even mean and quickly you just open up these books picture and you you can understand it um very easily. So this is also a brand new book that should be available in America soon. Okay. Now especially one per over here in this ma which is considered extremely extremely hard. I can't speak about it from experience is ilotus. This is again a peric that limits is beyond important already way back as a hush of a work from Katan very interesting person. Um he wrote his autobiographical accounts also you know he learned in yeshivas and whatever but people use it as a matter of fact I even saw that quotes it in his book in his in his footnotes. Okay. Now, art scroll in this par in this per again they give thanks to all these different people that helped them and also they even give thanks to um Renaissance Lifkin who helped them um at the time with because in this parrot there's a lot of different aspects of animals that you need to understand and for his expertise and his help. Okay. Now this leads us to one last aspect is the sim of of the the simum of the behemoth and which also plays out in this ma there's a few suggest about it. This is a beyond hot topic until today and the the amount of knowledge in science. It's a very hot topic in general which is relates to the general knowledge of and how we and science what know about science how much is written about it again he has a few pages about it but it's not the main point of at all he talks about was a tremendous before the war kelar he wrote a whole safer showing dealing with the sciences of this is a topic on its own forget about is its own right now but even you talk about this plays out unbelievable amount of times lashel just in recent years the past 10 years the the barl chickens a lever cythe how much literature is written about it this is already when the internet began was already well into its thing so there was this forums there's pages and pages and booklets and this r and that ra and every saying and whole are written on this topic already and again because of this a lot of the other chickens and birds and everything questions and this plays out roles and other answers tons of literature written on it some of them very very valuable and it plays out in other areas of alu now the turkey and the dagril and and endless just this week came out this was a pulmus in the timeette so in this new chu this new version of chuer again tons of material about this pulmus lash how to figure out the animals the messiah on the animals just nowaday came out from which is also plays out a role in how he's mafarish the different animals what's kosher and not what's going on in this maka how relevant it is. Okay. So now just we're going to just spend a few minutes to go through the how was this maka learned which is something was it learned in yeshivas. So the answer is it clearly was because it was very relevant. It was very relevant. That's first of all before anything it's clear they learned it. The only thing is it sounds like at a certain point in time stopped learning today it's not part of yeshiva cycle and probably has to do with because the the fear of it's too and so they they veered away from it but I'm not sure more obviously needs to be discussed about it but the we know we have the beyond important we have um we have um anyone needed to be a rav anyone who need to be even even if you want to be a ravi meaning it's always relevant in those days even a little the generations later they write what there's tons of on the whole even going on later on in 1873 we have the work on all of it says it was written 1873 we know that they learned the cyer the son of the great he wrote he published a cafer right before world war ii um long after he was nifas It comes out ribbon in his beautiful write up about to safer says that they basically learned for five years in the yeshiva. Obviously this gets into how they used to learn in those in in Hungary they didn't just learn um every blot they it was called they also learned sugius so anything that was relevant they end up learning half a karakula through it okay anyway now but the point is that even we have in 1920s intells that people would learn pisk what was called late at night okay whatever we're not here to map out every single aspect of this maka was learned but it's clear it was learned okay now and what the shift was about why it got removed so to speak now like We we've discussed in the past the of the so we always mention the so here finally comes to an end he was working on it um um I even have a letter that I'm about to publish in a work of mine very soon where he's talking about that he's holding towards the end he wasn't able to publish it and the great published it for him um publishing it and this was the last volume published based on the works of Rabich okay Now moving on to the so we have alive today put out a massive work on of material on the we have from Broaddy published such a small work we have other materials that relate to early works we have work relating from all these different things we have a lot of early works relating to now that's actual we have the which was published many different times s and the complete manuscript was published by and we at the time we quoted one time I spoke about this um this incredible thing that there's a a from different of the cafer having the on and it's a big cafer and also writes that he was too um in he published it beforehand and not complete but he had all different about certain things in and he says he thinks this should be and turns out he was right after the man the fuller manuscript was published. He saw that he was right. He mentions this in the of the safer for the edition. Now we it's interesting is that the who I'm always fond of quoting his list of the different he quotes that there's a he doesn't even mention that there's a ram and that we know is the source of it all. Okay? because there's a rajan there's the there's a tiss and then learning through which is on the messiah we see that there was a work from which which is famous in nazir and other so there's it seems and does it exist answer is yes in an article publishes a few pieces and supposedly he's been working on it for many years it's supposed to come out we hope it will come out this is a work from mandre and then in recent years aans volume from now besides for we we're talking about over here all types of pulm of kash here becomes a pulmus about actual it's published by and which is rabbi shash and also by shalom this is ara and this relates to of who has rightser beyond the scope of this now okay so these are plenty of that we have and also we have the mi fine so one wants to learn and just with the you have your work cut out for you. But the problem is to make it more is this they go at it. You have materials of the okay now then we have other works. I'm just going to mention their names. I'm not going to mention all the significance and all the stories behind it is the who wrote but this becomes the the one of the go-to. So to the shared dura it's also the go-to say for dozens of gadam s learn and gave shir over the generations on it. There's multiple multiple works on it. Um where write the most notably the ram there's the mar there's the revile endless amount in recent years some put out 37 perian written throughout the generations of the reviles and there's probably much much more. Okay. Now the point is that since this m was so re relevant was learned and this is only in the early years. You move on, you have the which we know the greatest was one of the greatest of all time and he writes outd the importance of this this is so relevant and why it's so relevant and he basically learns it checks up everything for moving on we have the we have we have a called the domestic this was a very rare work many people did not have it most people that had it used it because the who was legendary for having a library had Fal Margolus later on says that he was somehow to get a copy for we have the which we spoke about in other mas we have a few pro from him on this ma we have the first par okay now moving on we have the rash the pagodam so not only do we have ina we have thiser from the primag we also have a safer on his that requires a lot to discuss about him. Now there's a called the le which knew him personally writes about him beautifully in his about him. So that's another early about it. And then we mentioned already there's earlier which we spoke about. There's a lot to talk about him also. Fine. Moving later on getting closer to World War II there's a dar and everyone loves to talk about the darl and his famousd he says all different types of interesting things. Okay, but the point is this is some of the way that are on this now just as I said this and I spoke with Mosul there's a lot of going ons in in the world of just as time is short we're just going to me a few more three four more minutes and that's it for now and that's as follows one is there's an interesting work called published in the early 1700s now this is on but it's also a muser through He starts we say every simmon he starts talking about and then somehow he gets into all all different aspects of muser and an interesting addition of this came out with gross a few years ago but it's only half the but very valuable footnotes he gave shir on it okay obviously makes sense why he would want to publish such a safer now moving on there's endless literature of on different aspects of the just we have the we have the sparked lots of literature on that. We have the from his the brother the moral where they go at it already in the where he vehemently argues on a lot of the method of the of the and the which is ends up being the for how the raid. So this is we have at at head of the great um the rebi of the ra and the and they're in this safer talking about it. It was so sharp that in certain in the earlier editions of the they took it out because they felt it's too sharp but the rest is there but today it's available the which is also available and there's numerous different onas just to just mention five or six and then and then we'll conclude and there's this files there's the preades and the prey go at it is the crazy place this this is we have the a beyond important work f this was the go-to safer for many people where people just don't learn quickly. We have the earlier work. We have a refrain Zman's masterpiece in Trafus who going also dealing with the two each one of these farms sparked their own and all different types. We have many years later when it came out made in the world of and there are endless different throughout the years that were published on these as these were very important. every RV had to be a master in these topics and so not only is there literature but on all the different ina and there's many many multiple different stories that um need to be told and hopefully will be told over time and it's possible I'm I'm going to be attempting over the next few months as learns to have a few different many different short clips about the stories of all these many different and the literature about them and some of the pulmus in them not necessarily long episodes a bunch of short episodes um what the story behind them are who these people were because it's a fascinating ma there's just so much out there and I feel that in just this introduction episode we will not be able to get to it so in in short focus on all the different different things about this heavily loaded maka and I wish everyone to be able to understand and learn this maka uh and implement it in their day-to-day lives. Also, >> thank you. Incredible. Looking forward to everything else that you're going to share about the maka.