Can You SLEEP on Rosh Hashanah?

we have been experiencing some technical difficulties with the audio and the camera we hope that this comes out as clear as other episodes but please bear with us if it's not exactly the same as our other recorded episodes with Rabbi Dr elazar [Music] BR welcome back Rabbi Dr BR we are a week before rashash 5785 we have a special episode about the minig of not sleeping on rashash this episode has been graciously dedicated by RAB Isel Gordon in honor of Rabbi Dr elazab brat for the work he's done collecting and Publishing The Works of RA RH Z we thank Rabbi Gordon for this dedication if anybody else would like to dedicate an episode or has a suggestion please reach out to myself sched.org or elzar BR atgmailcom I would like to add if you are not yet in R br's list where he sends out um primarily before y articles and news Forum you could email him as well to join that list so we thank the Gordons for the dedication just one last message it is before rash if you'd like to send a sh message to any of our including go on to our website all torah.org sha we have a form there you could send a message directly to any mag you would like they appreciate these messages even though most of them don't know or see the people listening to the shm every one of these messages means a lot to them even if it's just a thank you and your name so please go to .org sha and send a type of message without further Ado Rabbi Dr BR now giving over and preparing this year has been one of the hardest of any the she I've recorded to date and the reason is simple I've pretty much spent many years working researching this topic I fell into this rabbit hole and I've never gotten out of it I feel that time allowed to speak about it it cannot do a proper justice but that's life so I'm going to try to mention broadly some of the sources for this topic when I was young at some point I heard about for my grandmother she would say as your Mas is going to sleep at the time I assumed it was one of these old wives tales that some said just like you know not to whistle and all these other types of things when you get a little older you learn you start learning whatever and you see it's open in then there's this parentheses that says so even though it says thisi the um does not necessarily mean that the ra wrote it it seemed most likely the parentheses is not from the Rama okay so basically we see that there was a Min not to sleep it says specifically in the day of rash and adds in three words so first of all he never uses such language he doesn't go out of his way even though the Rama is famous we've discussed this in other episodes he goes very into minhag but he doesn't spell out that it's a fine is there something unique to this Min question is this just is there an is because if you look in certain P it sounds like it's more like it's maybe even some type of V when is it is it during the day or the night Umama says clearly it's during the day what's the reason behind it I just said it saysi but it's notomi or maybe it isi and like always for the for centuries we had certain sources and then different sources come to light as time goes on and today hopefully we'll discuss some of the newer some newas in this topic when is this is does it when does that start does it start from the way from the morning when the day begins what about after what about the second day and last what about AAR CH and there's any many other questions that come up and we're going to briefly touch on some of these today fine so what everyone knows when you're learning what's the first place you look you look in the dark says the this is his work um on the tour he says so here he's giving it that it's and where is it in R so here it's interesting it sounds like you not to sleep on R it doesn't say no longer does it say those words which changed and add furthermore it's now giving us some context where it's coming from supposedly in rashash and the third thing is what's the what's behind it is like this because when you don't sleep when you B the beginning of the year because if you do your masle is going to sleep not that I claim to understand what those words mean but that's what it says fine so this is the Rama and this is the and he says it'si Fine an earlier Source than the was a I've quoted in the past which was a work of on publish in right before the Rama the M dies in 1559 it's a good chance the Rama saw this work but the relationship between the Rama and this particular work needs to be investigated I midst of investigating it in general but in 1559 and in 1560 this is basically 13 years before the Rama is published he publishes the following he says so he does not say it's in R says on someone who's sleeping when they are doing is so now he says he doesn't talk about that sleeping you not to sleep when there is a then he says based on this so he's going back to the day which again is what the Rama originally said fine so you see something's going on is now the question is and we're not going to deal with all the technical aspects is it the same Source not the same Source I am pretty convinced this is not the source of the r even though the Rama could have seen it and they have different sources what the source of the mag we will see okay bottom line is according to both them it's and if you look further on the main let's say the says the beer who's famous for putting the earliest sources that he knows on topic he says over here it'si again so it sounds like pretty simple let's open Yi the problem is and we'll get to this later on is we checked Yi high and low and hundreds of people have checked and there is no such Yi in our standard Yi finea going a little further the Lush who is famous for bringing his re Rama many m a lot of material from him and adding to it and he's very very intimate he doesn't even talk about this which is very strange we don't find this so common is there a reason for it we move a little further sorry he says so he's already giving a time frame for it and then he says and he brings down the like it says in the maged which he did happen to own we know this from other places that you don't sleep while there's a din going on then he says this is a famous line that we have in many other sources quot it also other episodes Dy and the of thei okay so now at this point we're not seeing any iser we're we're we're pointing out to some clarity in uh what's the source and what's the reasoning for so now it sounds like and we're not going to get into the nitty-gritty of this but basically like this some people hold it's problematic to sleep why very simple if you sleep on rashash your masle is also going to sleep and what that what that means is a you have there's a it's not your mle bad luck it's more like you have a Mal that's M for you when there is a din going on and that will be sleeping if you're sleeping and that's what it has to do with and therefore that's only when the din is mish happening so let's say we we will establish what time the din happens on rash that's where it will be and possibly after some people will suggest that the din is no long the din is not happening after so then you'll be able to sleep in the afternoon that would be the possibility and that's how they understand this and you could see where it's coming from in the because says it's okay others um suggest it's nothing it's not about your Mas is going to sleep or your is going to be it's basically like this there's a y happening if someone sleep R he's showing that he doesn't have a fear of the and of the and according to this it would sound like it doesn't make a difference not the afternoon the whole day you shouldn't be able to sleep according to that after according to that some say maybe even at night okay so this is the beer bones of the reasoning behind the Min okay so so first I keep on saying what about the night if you look at the again if you look at the way the Rama brings down the where says already in the beautiful published in 1881 he says not sleep and then he says there were people he was aware of people that did not sleep so the question is are there others so we have to say this RAB the kenberg it's brought down he was sounds like he took to he did not sleep on even at night others brings down we have other sources um from other that some people in al they did stay up and they were learning and them the whole night of most people did not now there's two NAS for this number one is when does the den start what does that mean does it then start at night so we have a strong indication a famous gumar that's brought for this conversation and basically his wife found out about it and she threw him out of the house and he goes and when he's there and they tell them what they he overhears them saying what was already now when was this he sleeping the Bak rash according to the pasas so he's and he's overhearing what was said already so it sounds like there was some type of dinner ready rashash and we're going to get back to this Kamar a little bit there's a lot to say about this if this is really even happening rash but for now we're for today's Focus it's rash or some other choices now the point is so we see that there's a which would be which would fit with the theen or what the May is bringing down but as says is it's talking about cuz the the night is created for sleeping it's a standard time when people sleep and we have many slept we have this through in talks about a dream that he had and he wasn't sure if he has to fast and he went ask we have others we have the mag the where we have dreams of the so it sounds like he also slept and the past say people sleep on r but as I said this is if you're taking thei literal of okay but we've speak spoken about this minut we've we' discussed thisi and we mentioned this we don't have thisi what is is there any good sources early sources for this meting besides so the B first published in 1640 he brings down that there's a safer known as the IB and the IB says this is what he brings down from and then he says F so we see from here a few pieces of very important information number one one we now have what's possibly the earliest source for this minute and that is rishu IB who is rishu he's a tal of the Raja we don't know much about him but we know he was a tremendous tremendous person Professor Cary Hartz devoted a whole fulls siiz book on him very interesting book and basically we have his Dres that he gave it seems he gave them um every week we don't know exactly all the details and it's been published a few times they're simply incredible as we're going to talk a little bit more about them soon now even though by today many many people know oh what's the earliest sour very few people went ahead and opened up to rishu and saw the context of what rishu was talking about for the most people knew knew about it either through secondary or third sources or through this B which is fine but it wasn't such a common safer it wasn't it was published only in the 1500s published twice and then that was it so the question is is rishu the for the now it sounds like possibly yes but the of if you look at it very carefully and the of the and the r tell tells you to R it doesn't sound like it's really it's the same thing furthermore if the ra had that that this that the sources from he probably would have said so and I would have think he would bring from him more he Punk got to say for one time there's so much more very important information testimonies about re the Raj that he brings down different okay so now the point is the Rama um if the r if the r is from how does he know about it l was published in the 1520s was the first time was published maybe Rama had it maybe not was published in C right after F who we said is one is the earlier Source than the ra for this many it's clear he did have the Rish we have this from other possible places and from this L also it sounds like his marar is the question is this is a and we don't have any doesn't bring this down interestingly enough seemed to have seen he brings it down for something else why not this is a different question we don't know why okay but bottom line is this B once we have this B this is what this was a game changer because we have now bringing from Yi now many people do not bother to go look F further once we now have the because it was common enough that we didn't bring things from Yi and we don't have it but even furthermore many people were not bucking Yi so so you could say it'si and people didn't know Yi was not so well learned even in the after the printing press the B brings down at the end over here in this piece that weot now he bring down that the and what the for thisi and what's going on behind it which we'll discuss but he says that theam Rutenberg what did he do he slept on rashash like all and it's interesting because this B is quoted as a strong cooler by many the he brings down the he brings he says like this to sleep me say he thinks it's it's really should it's really better not to sleep we haveen slept fine also because of this we mentioned already early on that the strangely enough does not bring this down saysa CU he holds like this B Bame the marami Rutenberg that he slept and therefore he didn't have to bother to bring it down but the question is do we have othert so the answer is we have which we we've already discussed numerous times in different in different episodes was only published in from manuscript a little more than 100 something years ago this is that the the also slept similar toiber F but we have no idea if the Mami Rutenberg slept or that the Truman slept is because they knew thisi and they held still you could sleep or they didn't even know about thisi that's a possibility anyway many people bring down says he went to sleep so this many people bring down we have not only do we have thei renberg not only do we have us today the but we now have the slept says you want to bring a from sleep he's being so don't bring me R from the and in general many times we find that this is a huge discussion let's say now we know thatal did something what does it have to do with us thatal he could sleep whatever reasons not to sleep he could sleep and it's possible to explain this based on something very welln there numerous sources for this that basically when when darel used to sleep he was is learning the whole time will listen and they would hear him talking and learning and we have a lot of different M to such a things similarly you can include this probably that morami Rutenberg and the trades and also when they went to sleep they were learning the the rights that why what in he talks about sleeping he says this amazing what one could learn the learns and it goes up as opposed if he's awake down here so like this so I would say that it's not necessarily for all of us regular at least for myself I'm not necessarily I don't believe I'm learning in my sleep I'm sleeping in my sleep so therefore the point is the when they slept this we understand what's going on but just because they sleeping it does not necessarily mean we can sleep so just because we find that did okay um we find certain said the he says you should not sleep should and that's what the is writes about himself and he was well aware of what was he writes in his and he writes we have different of his he did not sleep on at all we find also the the Nazir shimin writes according to the not to sleep okay which is the that every that many people rely on for he says when he's talking um even though let's say you going eat to sud and then there's time to sleep a little until now then he says key words but he says still you should learn and this is what the MIM says one should do he talks about saying the whole which is a whole saying on earlier we find the say says the same thing not to sleep on rashash Shana during the day F but so many people are m so the truth is just to point this out a lot of times today when you ask this question a person doesn't even understand the he's daving he he comes he's right before he's barely even able to make KES many people that di in un certain yes also they finish Mish right before so they don't even understand this whole de of this conversation sort of like a not a conversation anyway over here says he brings down he says so this changes everything the the is saying that the said one could sleep me say maybe you can't bring me from and maybe even you're going to tell me that was learning in his sleep but here that saying that the point is at least the way the that he had of this AR was passing it m to sleep now there's a few points that one needs to be made number one he and then he brings down the brings down that from the slept but then he says but and some people just sat and did nothing clut around that's also worthless now the question is we is theal the way the mag brings it down and that's a mystery although we know most of the that the mag quotes where they're from this one so far I'm unable to finda who another point over here is in general is who said that Aral is and is dealing with that results the same time as the r ra is not out yet he saw there's no indication that he could have seen that he did see the so who said he even knew about and when one looks carefully into the various M that talk about in the from about and sleeping on there's no mention it's it talks about whatever happens on in these cabalistic terms way above my pay grade then says and all the different and all the different things that one could that or even as as far as says it that one can sleep after fine um when one looks in the various you could see everyone has many people bring down like this that one could sleep and had understand that just to point one over here the the when he talks about it he says like this he says it's based Oni and then he says that's what happens that's what it means and when one's sleeping that doesn't happen because we're not obviously to point that we're not who learning learning in our sleep if when you're awake and you're battling so then the Mal is also not activating is not acting so that it might be to if you're not if you're M if you're just going to waste time might be to go to sleep anyway fine after everything is said and done it sounds like there's something much more greater going on over here and that's what I believe is happening and that's why the r is M over here where something that he does not say anywhere else and that he says is a not to sleep and and that is as follows when one starts learning you see that the date is full of contradictions on one hand we find you people are have a lot of sudas and it's brought down [Music] says still there's something known as there's a according to to be like not only that everyone points to that says so it's talking about eating and what are you eating okay do we say H or not so famous famous why do we say is because has to do with some type of when the and everything is happening you're going to be saying Shir I understand we just got finished saying make up your mind the some type of the another eating meat so we just read the one of the the time of the year that one supposed to have and eat them meat p is one of them is rash yet we know the Mal told them not to eat meat and this is a whole what the story behind it is so what's going on is it do you or don't you have do these things another thing we have the had not to eat fish on rash why not there's a another we find in already brought down and about this that they did not normally we they D which means is they slouch down some people the whole some people even the whole d a whole whole about this in and onwards why so the M Brewer already explains okay so there some type of thing of another fasting up till now I said there and some people eat even meat but there's other M from that that that some people are one should fast so going on back and forth is another thing some people wear K or big and in big past has to do with to remind us big day so is it a what's the day of rash so this is part of this is a great mystery of rashash when one learns Rashana back and forth you you could find makus each way and different anagas and not only that even the different anagas could be interpreted different ways and each one is its own B the truth is that already from El we're focused on Thea um salous for saying that used to be that people as soon as they heard the call of when they said whether was during ping or whatever the that you had or the famous stories of people fainting already from the beginning of L people's minds were focusing on the great thing that's about to happen and rash wasit wrote a where he collects from all different of many different throughout eler and we see the focus for many was they were thinking about the the whole time Ando they were very some people hador and numerous numerous long lists of anas but the point is okay but what is i i as I'm pointing out there seems to be some type of conflict he also points to this that AER even a on one hand it's supposed to scare you but let's say in the bdash when they when they when they did it when they blew theer was not to scare you furthermore he points to we mention also basically is it a day of or is a day of the answer is that it's there's a and it's supposed to be somehow at this um a mixed hanh mean say supposed to be and realize and integral that it's a at the same time and is ding on on life and on parosa and all different things at the same time there's also supposed to be a level of and this is a very very hard because on one hand because of this concept that there is supposed to be a fe you're supposed to be fearing you have a fear that it is the a of the so they were different on hugus that had they took upon themselves different on hugus he didn't need fish because that was he didn't want to be he like he enjoyed fish we have marus about that so he didn't want to forget and different people that's what they did that's what the same thing with the K that's and that's what's going on over here with SH rashash a lot of times when you look at let's say rashash so what's rashash rashash is is the Sher and daving and then there's all these different types ofh theh start with whether it's with all these different things for many people the even though theh are secondary a lot of them have much later sources it's not it's not about the which or for the a lot of times the that's what helps the so to speak get into the and to feel so it's not that is when one looks at all the M over here most most the makis don't say the words AER they say just to quote just the main early source that we quoted is the does not use the words and even when he brings down the what does he say not and which the point is but sleep very simple if I tell you that you can't eat meat big deal say e chicken or some people don't care as much tell you let's say fish some people I don't like fish big deal sleeping is very important for most people so I tell you you can't sleep and you can't take your your your nap on chabas afternoon for some people that's already that's already way how they feel the the day so to speak so that's pus it's a possibility it's not about the action it's about what's supposed to be the what comes from it what comes from it is I'm now being marish I'm not sleeping now what are you supposed to do oh that's a great question you're not supposed to just time waste time that's what whole emphasis if you B it's worthless you're supposed to be learning or saying to and there's a ton of m a wholeo about a different episode about saying to finishing to already some people have the minut from um already the beginning of some people say over the a whole sa for over R it was there's a lot about that another thing is learning T so again I said it's funny is that if you look inelt yes daving of ends very late ends very late M close to there's no time to even learn but if you look the there's a famous of the ran ran gave his on rash and it's I it for sure took hours to say even if you want to even if you want to make up a possibly that it was done over maybe more than one year but it's clear there was plenty of time it wasn't done in the break for 10 minutes similarly this rishu hisha that's Mar for sleeping it's a whole that he gave on rashash it's clear from the whole thing and it's Pages it's fascinating it took it took a long time to say over there's no question that they would say that they were learning that rash in in those days that was there was something about it and and part of it is it created great now go to to go into this even a drop a drop more so and that's part of what to bring this point out I'm G to do it through rishu rishu has this Russia over here about rashash Shana so what does he do many times he begins with a pkim over here he deals with peric P Al which we know many people link it already the gamar already links it to um Russia shanu so now he's starts out with a Kasha that Kasha is a bomb Kasha which many people ask and that is why does the when it talks about rash which is the and MIT it doesn't talk about it only why isn't and this is something that this this is the theme that he wants to deal with throughout his drush over here now he has many different and he canly through this drasa even though he goes off to talk about many other things about the rash he keeps on coming back to this question and and therefore he deals wither he deals with and he deals with what once he deals with the that we start we mentioned the and he says interestingly enough he brings down some people said it was during a dream he says no it was when he was awake and it was AES and he over and he and he heard what was being said and this is a whole anyway and he talks about the conflicting things that are going on in this day is it a day of or is it a day of and and it's that's the whole point that he says he brings down before his time he's um that they heard there was unbelievable things that were happening scary things and which is I don't even know how to explain that L he brings down from the RBA his RAB shal that it's not in our comprehension to understand all the different aspects and that's why the Ty didn't write about it and he deals with this also with f now in the course of this whole conversation so he also and he he has it's incredible and as I said this is definitely not a drasa that he said in 10 minutes it's a Dr that took hours he builds it up he goes into all different topics you see yed in all different things we mentioned the topic of of of Kaa during daving so he brings down the of the r he says others do it just by then he says this is all of his again V to feel the day this that's part of what's going on here so now in the course of all this at one point he brings down towards the beginning he so interesting at one point he's talking about the din of rashash and and he goes by also another conversation is the din on the is it a on the the nees on the Goof and he brings different M about it again the he brings up again theas and then he brings down and then he says how do I know that it's a so we see from this clearly that it's a on every so here we have his usage of now he already usesi in the beginning of his and what does he say in the beginning ofi in the beginning of the he goes like this as I said the the question that's bothering him throughout this D is why is it not open why is the T not open about rash so then he brings down a famous rambam that every mus begins or says somewhere in okay this is a kit of the rambam and therefore you blow shaer to wake one up then he says so here he uses a of you're there's a d going on upstairs about you and you're sleeping this is a this is showing so it's not so here in the course of the DHA and the course of the context of the whole whole story what's happening is and he's building it off going further from the rambam he's he's dealing with this to answer his question what is bothering him and that is why the Tyra does not say openly about rashash and the point is that we see over here there's a Auda of atas that you um now going further the schah interestingly enough says a he brings we know this from other places then he says if you st just doing nothing it's considered sleeping if you're awake and you're not doing anything that's considered sleeping that's what does so we see over here that it's not so much it's not even though even though as opposed to ra uses a of it's the point is it's a and that's what I'm trying to claim it's part of the feeling of the Day a different question which relates to all this and once we're throwing this out there once we're talking about the is what about other days of Y is there anything about sleeping just like sleeping what about other which we know so he to already the work of his father published in 1597 also that possibly this Yi would be related to then also okay anyway at this point we're just going to be talk about briefly a few um four or five harus and that's how we're going to be Mah up till now and as I said the basically is the theme of rashash and based on this is what to feel to feel thisa that there's a din going on and that's what why say because this is a great way how one should be concerned is feeling what is rashash about to be awake and be conscious that there's a din going on now so number one and this goes back to thisi that this with this is like this I asked the question which [Music] is are there any other sources for this topic so the question really is how do we know that there's no Yi about this so of course today we know we have the what's known as the Baran program and and everything so you can make searches but over the years how did know so okay so the answer is that they knew that there's no such so I'm gonna mention very briefly a few then I'm just going to get to one or two and that's is f number one the there are many many yis that are brought down it's quotes brought down in the names of yis in and that we don't know where they are where they got lost some people suggest oh maybei and K if there was Ori as opposed to the B is did not get to us B possibly okay um this is there Auda talks about something about he says we know that that is notos and even the even even the parts we have so there's always been a quest amongst people to find lost theal in in his work he talks about it and he and he says many times when it says it's materials that had it was in M does not mean it's a way of referring to Other M we know many M were lost also has a similar suggestion and and they these who were experts in and old they said they ready said way before the Baran such that it didn't exist the saz he's looking he's working on the be say he looked he spent time looking for it may all different people they look there's a suggestion there was a safer called saeri and this dealt with in of Y we and even and and maybe it was there because it it had to deal with rash this is suggestion that some people have and the point isim is many times yis were lost and we don't have them and it was a fascinating conversation amongst and these type of they would deal with um trying to locate them and sometimes they were lucky sometimes they weren't one suggestion and that um is that it was loc it was suggested by someone a vior apitz he noticed that c that certain bring so he said you know what maybe there's a like not only there not just the standardi maybe there's a that was like additions added from a different point in time and that's what these had and was called because it was additions on the say it was a later onto the he made such a suggestion because he saw that he brings a lot of and we don't have it it was like there's too many times that it's happening already so he thought maybe there's such a thing L said they did discover such a work but over the at least parts of this work was discovered and we don't have the M fori on rash either anyway the point is um without getting into all the very boring details of this many people have been hunting for it writing about it seeking it out and they were not able to find okay now let's just move on to the um I keep on saying this to the last point of this conversation the t t is famous for having interesting so he wanted to suggest like this that thei is only is referring to it sounds strange that is an iser to sleep or it's not proper to sleep okay he says the means someone dies and the parish was and the is if someone dies rashash it means is that his masle his he had bad masle and has nothing to do with sleeping um obviously this is a that some people don't really like because the fact is that the the means in numerous numerous places to sleep it doesn't mean to die okay he has a about it he says really to say such a thing he's a fan of the he wrote a but the loved thisat of his and he said it in numerous places in his writings and he felt there has nothing to do with sleeping has to do with someone who dies in that's the whole story what it's talking about interestingly he has a small cute piece about it he brings down this and he also we know he knew me we don't have thought he says what does it mean he says it means sleeping um and then he says like this it says it doesn't say and it means like this if you're someone goes to sleep but if if someone was went to B me to learn and then he falls asleep over his [Music] safer then it's not a problem and and that and which is a great Kola you go to Yeshiva you go to learn and uh you you hope you're not going to fall asleep but you know you got up early so you fall asleep then maybe it's a problem but the point is that that's how R kki um deals with this aspect okay hold on um so I mentioned that part of the questions are what about the okay so I I apologize wait one second yeah this I want to be M with four brief nasuda number one is if theud is the so really you should as soon as the day begins forget about the night we already dealt with the night as soon as the day begins that's when one should get up so ready the M brings a few times he says like he says Tak from maybe that's when because that's when the din starts he says like this sleeping is what's Sleeping [Music] you that's only if you you go to sleep while possibly during the day when the Den's going on if you want to sleep at night and you don't get up you're dapping m in the day because you went to sleep when it was m to go to sleep because obviously his is that at night is not a problem and we have a famous thing of sh he held that if let's say um um and other we have other places where he's make B but the point is he has a there's a famous of his over here let's say there was Su and there wasn't enough place for people to sleep so what do you do so he said once someone falls asleep there's no more mitzvah for him to sleep in the Su you take him out so the point is there's a certain way of looking at sleeping so when you went to sleep you were allowed to sleep there wasn't a problem with the D so now that you're sleeping and it's already Al you don't have to wake up that was on the there's others that say you should get up okay what about during the second day so here we have numerous sources but they refers back to the says when was this that's when didn't stop and this goes into this is all the M that there is by if you say to your friend on the second night of rash the is it the first night or is it also the second night numerous sources that say the second night the question is how's the din what's the day of what's the second day of rashash where bottom line is also held that for sure after of the second day it's much more cool to sleep to to be able to sleep the point I'm bringing out is with of the second day is that it it shifts and it's totally in the CTIC a question of when the is three other points one is which relates to the EA the and all these things that were doing for puts this into the of the the TR I got a lot of flack from many people about the episode of understanding I didn't quote to the reason is I hope one day to deal much greater length with just the safer so for now I have to be and he has a where he's and he specifically talks about not a problem okay one other fascinating reason behind is found in the mud which we just quoted earlier he says like this normally it's brought down you're not supposed to take a nap during the day why not you're not supposed to sleep more than sh which is so normally the whole year we're everyone knows in that what and you're supposed to take on extra so we take on the extra of sim of not sleeping during the day and you should not sleep during the day of rash a very reason obviously I I went down a terrible rabbit hole with that and now to be Messiah new evidence so always um centuries could go by and we don't have any new evidence about this topic but here we do and a few years ago published in the journal that came out from lak Volume 11 irz makes a discovery a it seems to be a um a massive collection hundreds of pages of old different UN hugas about all year around over there he makes the following Discovery it says like this it's talking about the the din of rash again with that night also which is whole which we just mentioned touched on and he says like this um and then he then the also brings down so we see already over here some form early work this is from 1386 talking about not sleeping R so this is after the rishu but this is now asazi source and this possibly could be where the got it from why because later on in this he brings down not all the things he talks about is gonna be who's gonna be m um M for and then he says so we see this brought down Med in a work from 1386 and and the point is like this up till now we only had a SMY source and we said oh might not have known it now we could see possibly that the Rama might have had you know work that comes out of the B the maril and we know the Rama the mar he was very fond of the mar anyway to be M like this this is to be M the whole like this it comes out sh is a tremendous day of there's a there's a lot happening in the day and we need to do things that help us feel the day and that's why there's different all different contradictory and they're all about to try to bring this contradictory feeling on one hand there's a there's a going on but we're also supposed to be is gonna be come and find us and let us live and havea and all the different things that we ask for but the way to feel this is through the different for us not for the the great was through the different Minh and one of them one such meing was not to sleep on again not necessarily at night not necessarily to get up early in the morning not just the second day these are all much more coola so to speak it's not a is as I'm pointing out it's a way to feel the the the the and to conclude what should one do one should be saying to H there plenty early or learning learning is always the best as I said the ran gave that jha trust me they learned plenty on rashash in those days I caner today okay excellent um we appreciate this beautiful wonderful episode we thank the sponsors once again RAB Isel Gordon who dedicated this episode in honor of Rabbi Dr elzar BR for his collecting and writing the works of RA R and Rabbi br will surely he has mentioned him in the past and we'll surely get to him again in the future true