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Bechoros Learnt Throughout The Ages
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Welcome back Rabbi Dr. Alzar Br. It is
erash
is starting during the he made tshuva
and rabbi dr did not want to forgo an
episode one of our original episodes
what or how was mskaris learned
throughout the generations and in
discussing this episode I asked him
which safer will he be discussing will
you be discussing marit algazi he said
oh of course so this brought me back to
my days learning yeshiva's brisk where
makaris is one of the makas that are
part of the brisker kachim cycle and
even more interesting is that there's a
street named after the marital gazi inim
somewhere in the neighborhood of zisha
and the vitka square um I needed to find
that out by asking a to point me in the
right direction and then they prompted
me and asked me if I would like to know
more about the malazi and I said no
because I'm doing a podcast now with
Rabbi Dr. Alazar Brat and he's going to
fill me in and AI said podcasting with
Rabbi Brat is an incredible opportunity.
He's widely recognized as one of the
preeminent experts in Jewish
bibliography, the history of the deep
historical context of works. Rabbi Brat,
are you up to the task? Take it away.
>> Okay, so now
is very interesting. I just uh this week
I was asking someone that learned in
Brisk did they learn it? So he said yeah
and why why what was my question? My
question is because is different than
the most of the of where it's it is has
most of the is
so the question
so the question is what's going on why
brisk learns it. So the truth is the
verse does not learn from what I was
told the last part of the which deals
with
they don't learn that but they learned
the first half. Okay. Anyway bottom line
is this talks about
um and also be these are the now it's a
not a tiny it's about 60 blood or
something like that and is going to be
beginning to learn it very soon. Now
what's interesting is this is as I said
so it it seems it might play out more um
some aspects of it the
what that is so professor Tashma has
excellent chapter about this with the um
dealing giving some context about it in
his work
there is also a very nice article from
professor henka relating to all this
which I'm more than happy to send a PDF
if you ask and professor Scherber in his
work ammon hagim in volume six and
updated in his English book called the
Jewish life cycle says that a lot of
times in the middle ages and even
afterwards they will find in the in the
cemeteries animals will be roaming and
this is it has to do with the what this
is about having a what to do with it
because the you have to wait till get so
anyway and looking in cha literature
already in Ashknazi
brings some there there's You could see
a lot about it has a bunch of about it
mean say it's not a theoretical thing
that's only was only in the time the
bdash and it was even according to the
as opposed to the raita also about this
is also discussed again in the article
that I mentioned from henka and
everything like that so now but the
point is that this is a that has a lot
of ramifications and we'll mention very
briefly some of them at towards the end
so now the question is once it has a lot
of hakic ramifications why do we find
mainstream and learning it let's say
even the rajba the ritzvah a good
question I don't have a good answer for
it um one of the main tools on this ma
today especially but already early on
was the kesus ashkanazi who I've already
mentioned in some other episodes in
kachum where he had an intense base
medish where with vast library of
manuscripts they learned to mak this
very very beginning including kachum and
they learned to text very well also and
only in more recent years has the a
better edition of his work on the kachum
come out although one learning kach will
see it on the side from shas vna already
in 1880 and they use lashel in makis ink
they used an addition found already
published in 1810 in the safer misbehap
but for some reason although they added
stuff but they subtracted stuff that's
still found only kapara not in this not
in um they didn't transfer over to the
side. Why? That's a question of mystery.
But there is there was a caviar of the
that exists till today and that's why
there's a fancy edition came out in the
1970s and more recently was updated
again from Raban by Meister of Cook and
all this sheds a lot of light into the
incredible base medish of Salashkanazi.
a story which needs to be told and maybe
one day will be able to be told but the
point is they learn here we have in the
times of the bish is similar time in the
bif someone learning but as I said has
more ramification because it does have
aspects okay the same he puts out a
shant in the 1970s from manuscript and
he shows that the tus in the ma is based
off tyants um how he does that he deals
with in his introduction and he also
along the way they found some anus of
Arashi which also obviously always makes
it interesting um to see how much is it
different than what we have and stuff
like that. But other than this there at
this point in time so the throughout the
middle ages and and even once the
printing press was uh well into um being
active there was no rishum.
So I would guess to say that as far as I
to tell it was not really learned. It
wasn't learned in yeshivas. wasn't
learned much and not so much was written
about MS
and as I said it's it's interesting
because there were there are it does
play outly that technically
you would think it should okay obviously
the the section the end of the which
talks about so that there is um plenty
plenty of literature about it and a lot
of discussion about it and we'll mention
briefly about that shortly all of a
sudden
I would guess a pin to pinpoint some
change in this ma takes place with a
yidontazi.
So this
prolific writer born inim a young a
contemporary of the a friend of the they
their paths crossed inim they learned by
some of the same people they knew each
other it seems they had respect for each
other and he also like the was also a
person that had to go travel to raise
funds for known as the so there's a lot
about him in the classic work on the
Israel from and anyway he goes and
travels And he's also prolific. Maybe
not as prolific as the but he he is
prolific. And along the way,
interestingly enough, he discovers and
he he also sees manuscripts. Now, not to
the extent where he sees all these
manuscripts is not clear, but he has
manuscripts. And it seems that already,
you know, back at home in there were
manuscripts lying around. Anyway, at
some point in time, he discovers a savad
of the Ramban onus.
It seems although I don't know if he
writes this out clearly he falls in love
with it and he decides and from that
he's going to write a work where he's
called tag tag of this work of the
Ramban. Now but we have to backtrack
it's interesting the Ramban wrote a work
on it does not it's not there's no usage
of it. It wasn't printed until he
locates this manuscript. And it turns
out this is one of the earliest works of
the Ramban
work of the Ramban written in his young
20s. And it was basically a schlama of
the riff where he is mashim the riff for
whatever reasons. Um which is strange
because as I said it it does have
ramifications but the rift does not
have.
So the Ramban goes and he the Ramban was
a rift. He defends the riff from
different attacks in the so he goes and
and and makes a riffl like safer on
these areas.
Okay.
So they're able to date pretty much um
in let's say the most recent book on on
the Ramban from Israeli. It seems pretty
clear. It's one of his earliest works.
And interesting in the um
in the already the Ramban says
get he writes something similar to this
now again why is it that the rift did
not write about it that I don't have a
good answer but the bottom line is he
writes a okay so now comes along to so
Gazi sees this and he decides he has to
publish it this is mish similar we're
talking about the exact years of the of
the also doing type of thing publishing
manuscript of. So it's different is in
the sense that the was more like he saw
million many many many in all the
libraries that he did and he would quote
them as a um as he would see them in his
throughout his aloso whereas the but we
don't have like he took a safer on a
specific or and then wrote a beer on it
like like like the murdazzi does and boy
does the mirai when they say he writes a
work he writes a work with everything
it's the is it's legend legendary it
goes down I I can't remember right now
but I did recall seeing that once some
said one of the three that one should
make a seda to learn is even aazi
because it trains you in lundus
and you see from the kashivas that it
got from many different people that that
is um it's a proper work that one is
supposed to go through um over here now
what happens is but the problem is like
many time so it was so it gets published
in 1794
and then again it gets published one
other time eventually it's put in the
shas vna but it's very hard to read
small print rashi letters and everything
flows into another there's no paragraph
breaks and everything so it's you have
to really really be devoted to the cause
as they say to sit and crack the alghazi
um to learn it properly the give it
tremendous talking about it beautiful
when he gets it and others they give it
intent they give it m
the importance of this work and
okay we say but as I said it's still
even though it's a known work and there
are people that do crack it but as a
whole it's not cracked enough now what
happens is that just like many other
swarms someone come some people come
along and then they they just like the
Maragazi himself went along and he
publishes it and he writes about it so
someone came along two people and they
sat and learned
Al Gazi
and they put out a beautiful two volume
work on this. One Tam a few years ago
told me and I imish would kiss these
authors the these editors for the
incredible work they basically opened up
the Marazi and they made it gorgeous
broke it down the prints first they
first they started from scratch they've
got the rambandic savat. So they they
check to see if there's any differences
in the we have some other and who are
these two people? One is
and one is
I don't even know how to say his name.
I don't know how to say it so I'm not
going to break my teeth. Anyway, bottom
line is this this um these two people
they sit and learn.
Um and this is the youngest son of
Mamish's father very much and and they
open up the safer and it's it seems it
sells out right away. This is published
in the early 90s. They reissue it in um
2002 and it was very tragic. Barak
Orbach the son of Rasham or was killed
in a horrific accident while Rasham was
was alive um a bus accident I vaguely
recall it um when I was at the time I
think and bottom line is gives to the
project he says
Um,
it's not just on this because as you
could see, he goes he uses it as a as a
to go into everywhere.
My son and his they sat and learned to
be and they do this incredible
incredible job. Now
from 2002 was out of print for many
years. A year or two ago reissued it in
a smaller size. The the size that I have
is a very big and bulky size. But then
again it has many many footnotes going
to mameish. every of this and basically
so now one learns has no excuse not to
have you have already raan and you have
this incredible incredible work
and what's interesting is that he also
had many manuscripts of he throws them
in somehow in there and and he gets into
all areas of and it's not and he turns
the into a besides that I'm claiming
that it's
he turns it into much more and the notes
are remarkable the interest there's
interesting about this who's famous from
the famous algazi family tremendous of
tremendous he wrote of his father wrote
far the zadis wrote so all this is dealt
with in the beautifuld but for some
reason it's put in the back of volume
two okay anyway but the point is so all
of a sudden already from 1794 and
onwards there's a shift in the ma that
it gets somewhat on the I would say it
gets on the map okay now before I forget
we'll we'll we'll get back to the
on the in a moment this has in it um um
a famous legendary um or blot of of
it's known as the
de
now this garra like when we spoke about
the rabb there's a whole literature on
this on this and we gave a whole she
about it so this blot also has a lot the
grow already in his parish goddess deals
with it and then we have karif the
legendary literature
um put out a work calledas Yeshua where
he deals with this garra the whole caf
is devoted to this gamarra then later a
few years later there's another
tal of the nar also has a whole mahal to
explain all these gar a lot happening in
these in these gar
they all talk about it and then there
was then there was another safer right
afterwards 1907 but kiter there's and
there are some others but these are
whole works devoted to this in the
beginning of so we have that. Okay. But
now again back to the actual um um
and then to move on um to to that. Okay.
So first of all there's a Shilra.
So Shilra it's interesting is in in the
past I would say the past month or two
he became famous again because he has a
relationship with the Ram Simka and Rome
Simhka they just less than a month ago
was his yard site his 100th yard site.
It's a lot of discussion. So he's
looking they're looking for people that
have to do with him. So the claim is
that he's not sure um how we know that
he's definitely knows him. That's not
even a question. and he puts out this on
the ma and it gets impressive
from including the bleman
and others and they all praise the it's
published I think in the first time of
the 1870s and again here we have that is
going
now what's interesting about this thing
is that there is connection to toka I
don't know what But he quotes him a
bunch of times. They had either they
knew each other personally or they had
correspondences whatever it is. But the
point is there is definitely a
connection between the two of them.
Okay. Another um of the in the world of
that comes out is a safer.
This is from
Shimai Dubinski. He wrote all the and um
he got and he also gets impressive
from the from the
they gave us his other farm but they
mentioned specifically this um safer of
his also that they saw it but when it's
published and then just looking in the
beginning he has m of different mas that
he has with different you could see that
he he made his business to get his to be
in contact with various at the time
including
zundul from Aishak and many others. He
handles a piece from and other
this is another one of the autum
on the now there's the just we have to
always be you have to have have a rich
different varieties just to talk about
two others of um two other of this
period of time so one is there's a safer
racial so this is a safer from aid
vineberg it's published I believe in
1930 and this safher is someone from the
chav medish
that has to do with theal and his
sonish.
And
he also talks about um he has
interesting
a short hda but he talks about the
kashivas of it and basically in in it
gets he he is killed in the in the war
and what happens is that it gets
published in the 70s. So they get a they
get someone to write a article about him
and this person signs off. This is in
1961. He writes this article that he
was.
Who is this? This is Yeshua Erensson who
ends up being the chief rabbi inv
prolific writer Yeshua and many other
things. And he writes a four-page
article about this of this. And it's
fascinating to see because here he's
Magd what the Mahal is. Here you have a
tremendous from that base medish
explaining exactly what the Tal's base
medish was. And then he talks about
firsthand because he knew this very well
um how he sat and learned by him and he
basically ends up giving he was pretty
much cut himself off from everyone. But
eventually he starts giving and he
specifically picks this and you can
understand why and he uses this that he
has from the
plugs it in. We also he throws in
different hugs of of his of his that um
wearing
he would write until the morning on
Shabas he would be up all night learning
all these types of things. Um
he and he has a fascinating thing. Yeah.
He brings a fascinating conversation
from mayor Shapiro about him and this
was a interesting yad which I found
fascinating was that there was a
conversation how should a majir give
Shir. So it seems there's and this is a
a question always should a majir come in
with a prepared shear
or is there a mil sitting down with the
bakim and starting from scratch at the
same time with the bakim to show mish
how to think not to come in and hear
okay here's my prepared piece of tyra
and you guys write down the notes and
then you hover over it afterwards it's
also to see everything as you learn the
gammor so it's interesting is that this
yid held this ravineberg held that that
that the best way for a Talmud is to see
the Rebi live and that's what it seems
he would try to do in his shar he would
sit down with them ku they're learning
he's learning it for the first time
obviously not he knew it from before but
still it wasn't that he was coming in
with a prepared sheir and he was giving
this over to Shapiro about possibly
using this method in yeshivlin now I
don't know what what ended up happening
with it but the bottom line is it's
interesting that when they talk about so
there's a fascinating account from Elio
Mulikovski
who des who was one of the earliest
and he describes
the way began and this actually gives
one insight to understand the greatness
of everyone is always busy talking about
and his penetrating and all these types
of things but this in this account one
could even understand it even more. What
happened was like this had a few tid
that he this is way back in the early
years in um he would sit come into a
room before the for an hour or two and
they would talk and learning and he
would ask each one of the and each one
of these people were tremendous one was
Shalamski he was the Ramsky another
person was um thisky there was another
person that he was the ends up becoming
the son-in-law of Berlin and then there
was Kowski
Each one of these people giants and they
would sit down. They would say over to
all different things that they were
bothered by in this would somehow just
talk about all different things to them
and beer. He would uplug a lot of their
pieces of and everything say that it
looked like it just like there's no
connection necessarily between all the
different things. He throw out some
different ideas. They would handle it
back and forth and all of a sudden
afterwards they would listen to Shear
and they couldn't they were blown away
how he could take all the different
things that seemed to have no connection
and turn them into and where he would
penetrate all this. We say they just
were in the room with him a little a
little while ago and and where he would
go with this remarkable thing. But
anyway, there's a certain type of thing
that
they gain from so to speak this it's
like a type of on the spot type of
learning. Um sometimes it it helps um to
learn anyway. Okay. So this is one and
then so that's we now represented the
the last safer to discuss is
um it's two works. One is um one is
erdal and this is from a very
interesting
reber it's published in the 1889
and this yid he ends up coming to he's a
he's a Hungarian and he's a canoi just
to um talk about him um one line about
him that some one of the historians of
the of the
writes in a course of a different of
this he writes
Um he
was known as a tremendous and he got
involved with different things. Um, one
of the things was he had he was he was
um he was defending the he had a he had
a with
because he felt that the
um did not dismissed certain sakim of
the so as a so he went out after the and
there were all the broadsides or the you
know the patchka villain went out about
it and they exist even till today one
could see some of them and was
interesting yid um in recent years
there's a few different articles about
him and he wrote on
also to small that are available on
Hebrew books. Okay. Now just to move on
to more current and then to number one
is there's a remarkable work onl
but on we're just focusing right now is
from
Hilman was the of so it's we quoted
already in the past he wrote a bunch of
on so
he it's not like the style of some of
the other makas which vary it goes
through the whole
and z I already mentioned in the past
has a very nice book review about him.
Okay. And the there's two to say today
what's number one is his son-in-law of
Herzog has a whole contress in the back
a nice contress dealing with some of the
and some of the that his says over and
his on it. One could find that in the
back of the yash. The last thing
relating to larasher is that while
looking for something else, I came
across letters of a fascinating
he was in in leads
in England before the war
by the
also it could be he was aviv it's
unclear but bottom line is railman sent
out his farm to all different people so
he sends him this safer so at first so
he kits her he says and he and he he
writes him a whole long letter I found
the manuscript just now um where he's
praising the safer and he says I I
didn't I'm not just being kufa for you I
went through the safer mish very well
and I was beyond impressed in what's
going on in the safer and there and and
also in your contress of your son-in-law
that's included I he says he went
through
of your son-in-law and I and imish he
was beyond impressed now you have to
understand this. So was a giant of
and he writes and he has some about it
and there actually exists a bunch of
letters of him to Hilman about some
other volumes of his but this is
specifically the volume. Okay. So here
we have one other about that and just to
to wrap up with just um two two other
and then just one other one or two other
aspects about one is to look at the of
yash. Someone recently told me there's a
famous everyone is has probably come
across at one point or another there's a
famous video of verbal yashv singing um
and it turns out he was singing late
early in the morning you know 4 in the
morning when he used to learn one of his
grandsons seems must have taken a video
and it's he had a very nice voice people
used to go listen to him he was learning
and it seems to have been a very that he
was was very fond of and you have we
have which are very on the okay one
other thing that just came out I'm
always fond of is
So he's found his work on and it seems
to be available. I'm not sure if it's
the whole or just a few but it's
available. Okay. Now just to conclude
so there's so
which is one of these mitzvah that
doesn't come up so often. Why? But in
recent years I'm probably I didn't do
have time to search but if one would
search on YouTube I imagine you could
find a few videos already of
that took place. In the 1980s, Ahav
Shalom went out they made
and therefore they gathered and they put
out a book called Yalamari
I believe us a lot in his work and on
the Ram over there and that is about
there are other more recent works about
it but there there are Rebecca publishes
it um it's has all it goes through the
simar that's relating to it and also he
has some other chu of the time that came
up about about discussion about the last
thing is this is a mitzvah I'm very fond
of because I'm a I have a bias to the
mitzvah um and I was actually to do a
pen and there's a lot to talk about and
there's a lot of so there's a a
beautiful cafer which also uses a lot
and then there's a ben from overlander
of my a beautiful work there's also a
worker and then more recently a shalom
prints from manuscript a work from
a they print it's a massive work called
a work which has in it a whole and a
whole
so these are some of the works that are
out there has lots of it with just to be
um some things that we can't relate to
so much but if you could have a to do a
ben this was a that came up in in every
once in a while why because a lot of
these a lot of these people they just
they would go for a year or two whatever
it was to go learn in a in some city far
away from where they were they push him
as so sometimes it came up the shas what
what to do about opinion if you can make
if it's a is a kadifin to come home etc
etc there's a lot there are chu in
literature sources about such a thing
but that is not for now and anyway these
are some of the aspects in this
fascinating ma which as I said is about
to begin and I I'm sure everyone will
enjoy learning this ma
Thank you very much Rabbi Dr. Elazro who
kept it just under a half an hour. So
looking forward to sharing this episode
should be available when
begins. Thank you.