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3. Lo Adu Rosh, The Other Dechiyos & The International Dateline
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Rosh Hashanah Illuminated All Daf Exclusive Rabbi Dovid Heber, a native of St. Louis learned in Telshe Yeshiva Chicago and Yeshivas Ner Yisroel where he received semicha. Rabbi Heber was a Rabbinical Coordinator in the Kashrus Division of the OU in the early ’90s. He is the Rav of KAYTT in Baltimore and a Kashrus Administrator at Star-K. He recently authored The Intriguing World of Jewish Time: Fascinating Zmanim and Calendar Calculations published by Israel Bookshop Publications.
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[Music]
in the last session we discussed
that the primary mylad
is the mylat of tishrei
and the day of the mylad is going to
determine rosh hashanah
and then we know roshana of the
following year
and then the entire year falls into
place
the gemara rosh hashanah
discusses
because the might that occurs on a
certain day does not necessarily mean
that rosh hashanah is going to occur on
that day
the gemara says
the gemara says that there are certain
times where we push off rosh hashanah
not on the day of the milan
allah says we do this
which means
as follows
if rosh hashanah
were to fall out
on a wednesday
then that means yom kippur would fall
out on a friday
if rosh hashanah fell out on a friday
then that means yom kippur would fall
out on a sunday
the the gemara here is saying
that we're going to run into into
serious problems
just we're giving just a basic
understanding here of where's where this
gemara is the gala misa and that is yum
kippur
we can't have two days of shabbos
shabbat shabbat in a row we have shabbos
every week if yom kippur were to fall
out on a friday or a sunday we would run
into into problems number one
problems of yarkia
yarqui are vegetables you can't cook for
two days so if a vegetable was picked on
a regular yantov you could cook you
could cook when they have to have shilan
on friday and so on but here you're
going to run to this problem you can't
cook the vegetable it's going to go bad
massa is if someone died
let's say your kipper was on a friday if
someone passed away thursday as yom
kippur began he can't be buried for two
full days and therefore
we want to go ahead as the gomorrah says
we want to go ahead and we want to push
off elo in a way to ensure
that
yom kippur doesn't fall on a friday or
sunday this
means we push off
is is known as
we've often learned this rule but the
gemara rosh hashanah brings to light the
reason for this rule le adu raj means
that rosh hashanah cannot fall out on a
sunday
wednesday or a friday why would rosh
hashanah fall out on a what sunday
wednesday or friday the answer is the
mylad if the milad fell out on sunday
technically rosh hashanah should be on
sunday if the milot fell on wednesday of
tishrei then technically rosh hashanah
should be on wednesday
no
we're not going to let that happen
because if rashad falls on a wednesday
yum kippur is on friday and we cannot
have two days of
shabbos in a row as we've said
just to give another example
it's not the gemara's example but
imagine if kevin was on friday when
would women bench look for friday it
would be impossible you couldn't bench
look because it's your kipper you can't
bench look how would you cook for
shabbos you can't because you've kept it
out to cook
at all so you would run into serious
problems again the gemara gave up gave
these two examples so we cannot allow
rosh hashanah to fall out
on wednesday or friday
or on sunday and the reason on sunday
is because then hashana rabbah
would fall out on shabbos and if i shot
a rabbit would be on shabbos we would
not be able
to take the hashanas
and we perhaps would forget texas and
sukada began giving him a base explain
asakasha we let rosh hashanah fall out
on shabbos and we don't call shaiphur
and yet the meaning the vietnam of
hashanah's that we push off a calendar
think about it the mueller of tishrei
occurs on sunday
and we go ahead and we push off rosh
hashanah to monday because of hashanah's
remember not only is roshana getting
pushed off but all the um type of sukkah
is pushed off the previous purim is
pushed off pesach has pushed offshores
everything gets pushed off
because of this
so we do that just for hashanah so thais
gives two answers one is that
is that rosh hashanah shaiphur no no
one's ever gonna forget shaiphur because
it's in the passage
whereas hashana is a minig if you stop
doing it one year people next year will
say oh it's not our meaning we don't
take a shot so to avoid that
we always make sure not to allow ishana
rabba to occur on on a shabbos the other
reason
is that we have a secondary rosh
hashanah so chauffeur schaefer wouldn't
be forgotten because the second day rosh
hashanah that we will take we will blow
shaiper whereas hashanas it would fall
on shabbos that year it would be skipped
and therefore hazal were afraid that it
might be forgotten about so for just
this example in tafsi magdalen 2003 the
mainland of
of tishrei fell out on
on friday it was friday uh early friday
morning
but rosh hashanah was shabbos tough
because
we don't let this happen
and therefore we push off rosh hashanah
now
in the last session we spoke about
roshana the year being a certain amount
of days so the way you calculate is you
calculate the mileage of this year with
the trees the myelin of next year with
the trees you determine what day roshan
is supposed to be and then you fill in
how many days of the year
are required
you also have a mild zaking
milotzokin is discussed in detail
on
as well
and we're going to explain the balabal
aura's explanation of of the military
means
right it's it's a suggy here that the
signing beside
it's a complicated sugiya
here but we're going to explain the bala
more explanation
of of this sugiya and exactly what
means the mullet occurs
at 12 noon or later if the mileage
occurs at 12 noon or later
then rosh hashanah is pushed off to the
next day for example
in tough shampoo
the my life of tishrei 2025 the my life
tishrei is going to be on monday
shortly after after noon
right about a little more than 10
minutes afternoon so it's too late for
rosh hashanah to be on monday rosh
hashanah has to be on
tuesday or charlotte will be on tuesday
because it's a militant it's an old
milan the simple explanation is
that we're trying to
we're trying to replicate the sanhedrin
you can't see the new moon for a certain
period of time so if the mile is
occurring after 12 noon
it's not going to be visible that day so
we can't make rosh hashanah that day and
therefore our shun is pushed off to the
next day sometimes it's pushed off
another day for example in tough shania
and zion
the my life 2016 the money that occurred
on shabbos afternoon
after after 4 p.m
excuse me after 2 p.m on shabbos
afternoon
so we had a doubled here because
charlotte's afternoon my ozaki it has to
be the next day next day it was sunday i
do rush
so it has to go until
the next day and therefore rosh hashanah
was pushed off until monday the
baltimore explains this gemara
that it takes 24 hours to see the new
moon
takes 24 hours and somebody in the world
has to see the new moon on that day
the world the western tip of the world
is 270 degrees west of yusulim 18 hours
west which is the same line as six hours
to the east 90 degrees east of shalom
it's a line that runs through
china
and australia and if you're standing on
the eastern side of that line you're on
the western tip of the world
at that point
it's going to take 24 hours anywhere
it's going to say 25 hours to see the
milad
if it's still monday at that point then
you can make rich so if the money occurs
11 59 a.m
the time on the western tip of the world
is 18 hours back let's say it's monday
it's the my life occurs 11 59 a.m on
monday
okay the time in
that line is 5 59 p.m on sunday it's 18
hours back
it'll be seen 24 hours later which is 5
59 p.m on monday so rosh hashanah is on
monday
however if the milo is at noon
that means even on the western tip of
the world the myelin will not
be seen by anybody the new moon cannot
be seen by anybody until it's already
monday night 6 pm the average skier time
that's it roshana cannot be monday
roshan has to be pushed off until
tuesday until the next day
interestingly enough is this paloma or
is the source
of
the international dateline the opinion
of the hazarish of where the
international dayline is and that is
this line 90 degrees east of ushalayam
is the line because in the discussion
obama already saying the western tip of
the world the latest or the earliest
time so to speak the last possible place
on earth
he's saying is 18 hours west of you
shalom which is six hours east of you
shalom that would be the international
date line if the hazard says you cannot
have
a line going through land and therefore
he goes ahead based on the site islam
atomic rush and therefore the line goes
around the coast of asia and the coast
of australia those are on the israeli
those are strong side that side and then
everything to the east is on the
american side including japan and new
zealand so this is where the whole issue
of the shiloh of the of the date line
comes up of course 80 years ago this
bastion kippur this was the shia land
kobe japan with the talmidam of the mir
that this came up exactly where is the
international daylight but the basis
there are two other drives
one of the
is known as
as get red before the two other trees
the mild sake is only a rule by rosh
hashanah you could although rarely you
could have a monolith zocaine
on other months for example
in
the milot of shvat
is going to be at 3 21 p.m on rosh
haidish
in 1902
it happened as well the mighty shot was
at 4 45 p.m in seven khalakam on rish
heidesh
well after 12 noon so this rule only
applies to
tishrei
the last two degrees
are known and one is called get raid
get raid means that the mileage occurs
that at the ninth after the ninth hour
two hundred four khalakim gimel is
tuesday test is nine hours the day
begins at 6 p.m
so this is roughly 3 a.m and 204 kalakam
into the day
which means if the mightlet occurs on
tuesday
after
the ninth hour which is after
um
3 am and 204 khalakkum
then
rosh hashanah is pushed off
to thursday in other words this is
before noon
the might that occurs at 3 a.m and 204
khalakum or later
roshan is going to be pushed off can't
be wednesday so it has to go to thursday
the reason for this here
is without it
it would come out if you did the
calculations you would need 356 days in
the year which we don't have we only
have 355 at the most therefore to avoid
this problem rosh hashanah has pushed up
making the year shorter
and therefore we're able to facilitate
that year it actually becomes a 350
instead of 356 we move it up two days
the year becomes 354 days
and we give away a couple days
to the previous year the last year which
will not happen again
between now and 6 000 is known as the
tutakat akara
get raid is only in the shanab shooter
it's only in a regular year the two tak
part
is if the mileage occurs at
monday fifteenth hour five hundred
rosh hashanah will be pushed off 15th
hour is um
sometime after nine am and five hundred
eighty nine khalakim then rosh hashanah
is pushed up to the next day to tuesday
and the reason for this here is after an
ibra yard without this tria the previous
year would have to be 382 days which we
can't facilitate we need at least 383 so
we make rosh hashanah
um a day later
and by doing that
we ensure that the previous year works
and has 383 days and therefore it all
works out so those are the four degrees
that we have
a side topic of this is international
dateline we have to rush roshana cannot
be on sunday wednesday or friday if the
milo occurs then it's pushed off
milo zucchini if tomorrow is at 12 noon
or later
then rosh hashanah is the next day or
the day after that if you have if you
have a leather rush and of course get
raid and
get
we also have as well
to ensure that rosh hashanah will work
out in a proper manner