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Akiva Perlman
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so akiva thank you so much and welcome
to the show i think it's a great honor
to be here thank you for having me
so can you help us define what an
addiction is
so that people have a better
understanding of it okay thank you for
that question
i feel like any time i have the
opportunity to share
the lived experience of the people i
work with
to give them a voice in the world
because generally speaking their voice
is very silent
most addicts live a very silent
disconnected disenfranchised life
so just an opportunity to share a little
bit of their story
if it's okay i want to share a meeting i
had yesterday with a dear client of mine
who obviously is caught up in a myriad
of addictions
suffering a great deal but just to
understand his story
where he was speaking about the first
time he used a drug
um and i asked him tell me a little bit
about that experience what was it like
and and most often we expect to hear you
know i was high i was excited it was
something new
i felt euphoric but when you speak to
addicts about their lived experience
almost always what they're going to
share is what it felt to them in their
heart
not so much in their body not a
physiological or chemical reaction
and his answer was when i first used it
i felt as though the world was hugging
me
it was embracing me i felt whole i felt
loved i felt lovable
and i think if we start looking at
addiction through that particular lens
we start
really to begin to understand what these
people are going through there's a
wonderful researcher named gabor mate
who has a practice out in canada and he
says
you can't understand an addiction until
you start asking the question
what benefit does does this person
derive from having such an addiction
um so looking at it from the other point
of view
how what are they benefiting from an
addiction what are they benefiting from
such you know behavior that most of us
look at
through an appalling lens and for this
particular client what he was sharing
with me
was i am not whole i don't have love in
my life i don't have care in my life i
don't feel okay as a human being
and this experience this drug or this
behavior
for whatever it is for whatever the
reason it gave me a feeling of now i'm
whole
and now i'm okay and now i'm acceptable
and then people get stuck in that
so addiction is almost like a
replacement of what
in theory should be healthy in one's
life and they're replacing you with some
really
harmful maladaptive behavior but for the
same goal as anybody else they're trying
to feel okay
sorry then please that that's it's
tremendously old
to see it from that lens so i guess the
people that are more likely are there
people more likely to fall into these
behaviors
is there something that um we can look
at
and see individuals that are are more or
less prone to this
100 i think the more what i've never
worked with an addict or even met an
addict
who didn't suffer a tremendous amount in
their life
i've never encountered such a person you
know sometimes we read these articles
about here's a person that lived a great
life
everything was okay and they stumbled
upon a drug and then
life just got out of control um i don't
buy those stories my whole experience of
my work
discourages such stories addiction makes
sense
when you start paying attention it
really really makes sense and
it's the antidote to a problem so the
greater the pain that a person lives
with
there's a study i think you'd enjoy this
study you might be familiar with it it's
called the ace study
it's been run hundreds of times over
many years it's called the adverse
childhood experience study
and what they basically did is they
asked 10 simple questions yes or no
questions and you're left with a score
at the end
they asked did you were your parents
divorced um did you experience
anything that was uh harmful did you see
people hitting each other um were you
raised in a home where there's an
addiction or alcoholism
and at the end however many yeses you
said that's the score that you get
and what they've been able to do is that
that if people have a score of four and
above
which means they've experienced four
significant
uh painful events in their life that
those people are hundreds
times more likely than the average
individual who didn't score that high
to develop an addiction to develop
depression
to really experience some hardships in
their lives
so the to answer your question the more
pain a person
lives with in their heart and the more
loss of self that they ultimately have
the more likely they are to go out
looking for things that would provide
them with some comfort
so we could we could define pain however
we'd like but the people who tend to
find their way into this world are
people who are suffering a tremendous
amount
for a variety of reasons it could be
divorce it could be a learning
disability
it could be poor self-esteem but but
most people who use drugs and then just
move on with their lives are generally
intact individuals
people that we're speaking about are
just not it's interesting that
as you're saying it i it's dawning on me
that the greatest thing that we can give
some of these individuals is the love
from everybody and it almost feels like
they're stuck in that the the potential
shame
and the silence of it keeps them feeling
apart when
the community around them and the people
around them
may maybe part of the solution and the
embracement of those around maybe part
of the solution
a hundred percent yeah when you go if
you i don't know if you've ever had a
chance to witness like a 12-step meeting
but one of the things you'll notice
about them which i find to be of the
most healing aspects
is that they're all holding each other
at the end of the meeting they gather
around in a circle they hold hands or
embrace
and they recite together the serenity
prayer
which is a prayer of hope and and
connection
and that to me is the healing i once
asked one of these guys i said why is
there so much
like hugging why is there so much
embrace that takes place in this room
and he said we're making up for lost
time wow
we just didn't have it in our lives and
that is the solution and unfortunately
usually we go the other direction
i'm not sure if you're familiar with the
show intervention where people who are
real addicts
so they they bring in a specialist who
creates an intervention and basically
take everyone who
this addict loves in their lives or
feels loved by
and they get that together in a room and
they say well if you don't shape up
then we're cutting ties with you we're
gonna withdraw love from you
and it is the exact opposite of what an
addict needs an addict needs
that sense of we're here with you
because they don't feel lovable
inherently
i've never met an addict who feels like
i'm a lovable
person um they hate themselves more than
we could possibly be disappointed in
their behavior
what an incredible thing yeah it's an
incredible thing so
so take me through if you can when it
turns
right it feels very much that a person
could say to himself
i got this score or i had this
background or i am in this place
um and so really i'm a foregone you know
conclusion and
and but yet you know i was commenting
you know the day how
some of the greatest people i've ever
met really are people that have
recovered from something they
there's something about them that are
that's so
a not only powerful but very much
aligned with
judaism like very much the idea of
renewal the idea of there's always
hope so but what if you can share what
triggers if you will in the mind of
someone who is suffering from an
addiction that allows them the strength
now
to not only they're not they're not even
like
resisting from the addiction now they
have to overcome this now so now they
have to
really work harder if you will than when
they first fell into it so
what what's that moment what what's that
that understanding
ah it's a beautiful moment i wish i
could uh just bring you into my office
as that moment unfolds but
we lose sight of the fact that every one
of us like we're all
kissed by god we all have a soul that is
like fully connected to this divine
beauty
um and addicts completely have lost
sight of that it doesn't exist within
them
and that moment that you're speaking
about is a moment when they
encounter their humanity where they
realize that
there is something in me that hasn't
been nurtured there is something in me
that had i haven't been able to see
i never had this client this is
generally not the case but he came in
and i said like what brought you here
i happen to have seen him the other
night it was just so wonderful to
just give him a hug i haven't seen him
in a few years i said like really what
brought you in
and because usually most addicts are
coming in because they're they got
caught or they're in trouble or spouse
said enough is enough and you have no
choice but to go to therapy
and he said like i've been in a binge
for the last three years
um which means he's just been high
basically the entire time
he hasn't like landed at any particular
point
and he said just this morning i looked
in the mirror
and which i haven't done in around three
years and most addicts cannot look in a
mirror and most people who are in pain
can't look in the mirror
but he said i looked in the mirror and i
i couldn't recall
what the pain was anymore i couldn't
recall like what i was running from
i was just sort of caught up in this
cycle um and in that moment he realized
like that there is something in me that
i don't even know what it is
i don't even i've lost sight of myself
i've lost sight of my ability to connect
and i'm here to rediscover that again um
and that's the journey looks like
ultimately it's like you're bringing a
person back
to who to who they already are because
we're all beautiful
and we all have hashem in inside of us
we all have godliness inside of us
so we're just trying to remind a person
that hey by the way you've lost sight of
this but i haven't
i still believe in you i still know that
there's something beautiful inside of
you last question i thank you so much
for your time
um for the families around those that
are suffering
that feel helpless that don't have
backgrounds like yours and other
professionals
that that really are in many cases
could be completely overwhelmed by
what's in front of them
what would you recommend that they do um
when they're there's someone in their
lives that are suffering from an
addiction
right well i think our natural tendency
the good news is today with certainly
within our the jewish community at large
um and the world like we've become a lot
more comfortable with it with suffering
we've become a lot more familiar with
what it looks like
so there's a lot of help and and don't
avoid getting help
there's many beautiful organizations
amudin
does beautiful work in this area relief
does beautiful work in this area
so reach out to the people that could
give you that support but if you could
for yourselves hold on to the fact that
there's a person inside this individual
who's suffering
that you've sort of lost sight of and
they've lost sight of um if you could
hold on to the idea that there's
something
that's beautiful that i need to hold on
to an encounter
it just gives us some hope and we we're
generally drawn in the other direction
you know we're moving away from that
and we're moving more towards resentment
and disappointment
and the more we could remind that
individual that they have some
some inherent beauty the the more likely
they are to come back to that place
people addicts need a place to return to
uh and
what unfortunately happens all the time
is that because all the chaos they've
created
then all the people that in theory they
would have been able to return to have
moved away
um and then they slowly begin to get
healthy and there's no
there's no home to return to wow so we
need to
maintain a sense of home maintain a
sense of love
so that way when they do come around
with the right help with god's help
then they'll they'll have a place to
come that's loving and caring
amazing doctor thank you so much for
being with us thank you for what you do
for
for our community and for the world at
large and for shining your light on this
world thank you it's a great honor thank
you for the opportunity
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