Haggadah Shel Pesach: Who Was Greater, Rebbi Akiva or Rebbi Tarfon

this Torah class is brought to you by Torah anytime.com okay good morning everyone we have an amazing topic today the Mish on in brought a case of somebody who died he left a wife he left he left Y and he also had a p or a mil in other people's possession RAR says you give to the weakest one RAB says you give it to the Yim because they all need to swear and the Yim don't need to swear however if you have then if the woman takes more than she needs or the more than she needs says the extra goes to the weakest says you give it to the so thear asks why does r say only on the extra everything belongs to the yam because the reason of RAB AKA is because the yam don't have to swear so then in that case the shouldn't only get the they should get everything so since was talking about the extra also spoke about the extra the says and what about according TOA grabbing doesn't help at all says the gar RAB would agree grabbing helps and also said the same thing the has says and according toar where exactly is it placed say even in a now thear continues the a case like r tarine at that Thea works and Rish retracted because of RAB AKA to which said you're making RAB like soar says what what exactly do argue on do they argue on if you make a mistake in a mish do you retract or not where says no the says everyone says the question is is the like R AKA only from his friend and not from his rebi that's the opinion of Reb and says even that looks like R even against his re okay so the seems to establish that raran is the rebi of Rabbi then the says well you could say everybody uh would say the like is likea against his friend and not against his rebi and the question is is revar the rebi of RAB AKA rer says he's not raban says he is or everybody says he's not he's just a friend and here the is is the like Raba or are we just inclined to say like RAB AKA it's interesting that there's a discussion here is RAR the rebi of reab AKA so uh RI asked me this morning why can't we bring orah that RAB AA was not a student of from right this this gar seems to be uh discussing the issue of whether who who was the student of who in other words is RAB AKA a student stent ofar or is he a tal of wellas wanted to know why can't we bring aah from the r now let's talk about this order for a moment Ru Maris in his ha says that the order of the tan listed are based on the idea that the greatest one sits in the middle Now who is the greatest one over here I mean you could say RAB was the greatest one he in a way was even greater thanu nevertheless rear was the Nasi how do we know he was the Nasi because according to the gears of the RA in the the next passage the r says that at that say there said yeah that means it happened when was thei so that would make sense why he's sitting in the middle and that means he's flanked on the right side by rabish shua the azden but on the left side you have RAB AA andar SOI pointed out RAB AKA is mentioned first RAB aka's mentioned first should that not indicate that RAB AKA was not a student of because if he was a student of it should say okay so I was hoping to be able to give share on this this morning first of all if you could connect to that's a win-win I mean you got to give me points for that to connect I get something for that maybe a mug I don't know but I was looking around r I told rasi to send me the comments on this meanwhile I looked in the and sure enough I look through a lot ofas the brings that deals with this issue but sort of roundabout let's look at the gar over there is talking about order of various and says 2 3 4 five 6 7even 8 the ninth line that the more important you are you're counted first by the way where else do we have this idea that the more you are you're counted first we have it by the no the there's an idea that that the the more you are you're counted first so says listen to thisa who is is more even though was was the head of all the we always say and in the end of the first par of they didn't even know RAB aaria was alive so they didn't even know who he was AA was world famous but nevertheless rebbi alzar was mentioned first why you know why rezar was mentioned first he was from a more prestigious family right was from G and was and was now according to this T it comes out if you wanted to know why was listed ahead of RAB though RAB was greater a he was more mu and B he was thei so then why does it say rabar and RAB Yeshua first in that mishna Rua was the AZ rebar we're talking about rebar rearin maybe because the mishna says in a that he outweighs all the together that's the first tus I wanted to point out but there's another tus in thank you naali is at also today because today is the I had to say that of course not you know so um in says like this look at by the way this is a very interesting mishna where Raba says I will demonstrate wherever there's a tall mountain in Isel you should know there was a there based on this Mish has a CH so why was the to make the um the if every single Mountain was a so Adler because originally it was not a it was a it was was a flat land and therefore they did not putar there it was only because of the of that that became a so says that the fact that says that's was older than RAB AA because Raba says I would come to you also in the last per of G it mentions re before rear but at the end of so the question is it's masma that in our mishna that was older than RAB AKA and yet elsewhere it's masma that brua the wife of r r is one of the last students raka called g g the fool was a of of Who is younger even though in other places he's mentioned before says you can make a big deal about in order why what's the r the r is the it says r before don't bring arah that the fact that it says one person before the other that means he's greater it even mentions RAB before is rebi how do we know he's his rebi says looking so T seems to be saying that R is younger than RAB by the way we're going to have R I believe in the also he's one of the opinions of how many makos there were let's see right let's go to the how many opinions were there of the makos you have Raba you have R and who's the third sha what you have R RAB elzar and RAB AKA so it's interesting that R would go first especially is saying he's a tal of RAB AKA I guess that's another question you could ask why is R mentioned first in uh the number number of go from it goes from less to more [Music] mhm okay be it as it may I want to share with you one more thing tus doesn't really say tsus says don't make make a big deal about the fact that it says um before Raba that somehow that means is greater we have the same kind of thing that it says for like was m and still RAB was a student ofar so the in his he's bothered okay what's in this why would it say before and then it say then says very simply he says then says even though he was older that T was the rebi cuz you got to know where you where you are this was he's the rabbi so then seems to be saying I I don't think I would disagree with the in other words the learns that the is saying I don't think so because says well says don't make a big deal about it and but doesn't say why so look in the and explains the I don't think is consistent with tus because according to the tus no longer has arah don't make a big deal about the fact of the order because it says r well according to the the reason says so then that disproves the proof from the that there's no say there in the order mean t is trying to say oh don't make a big deal about the order the proof is the where it's also it says there's a reason for that because so you don't have a proof anymore from the in any event uh it's interesting that what we're learning in the gamar is related to what we're going to say tomorrow night have an amazing uh say there actually I think we have to do D and I think we got to do it today somehow no promises but I think we got to do D today and I think tonight is during viika we might have to do it before M let's see if we could do that I'll let you know what you want to say something interesting but the bottom of the yeah I just thought it was interesting it's interesting very good very good good okay have a good day everyone you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by Torah anytime.com