Afikoman: The Incredible "T'nai" of the Avnei Nezer & the Objection of Rav Moshe Feinstein {Pesach}

this Torah class is brought to you by Torah anytime.com okay good morning rabai welcome everyone today we have a special she in preparation for the we're going to talk about and uh we have a lot of material so be with us we're going to try to do it snappy and hopefully we'll get clarity regarding the inion of regarding the eating of the when be eaten okay between and well actually the starts when it comes to the carbon P holds carbon P has to be eaten by says you have the whole night to eat the P now mat is compared to the P so whenever you eat the you'd have to eat the mat so according to youd have to eat the mat according to you have the whole night to eat the mat furthermore is compared to and so according to you would only have until according to you would have the whole night that's why the famous question on the isar yeah tarine the question is I understand what was doing speaking about the whole night because his is goes the whole night because is the whole night but he holds that so what's he doing speaking about the whole night he's wasting his time it's like a guy wearing on on chabas what what talking about Mak you're talking about umu saying is not right maybe the some but they were they're telling the story so his narrative if I tell a story about is that not so he should leave and go to sleep and but why is he speaking ask this question so the stier would say that that's why it says it was in benra benra is the city re and follows him but now we're going to talking talk about and let's see the when you're done with the meal you eat the mat that's being preserved under the the the sheet everyone to commemorate the which was eaten on you have to e you need to make sure to eat before why because you have to be concerned for the opinion that there is Noah after who pass that way only the don't worry if it would be a Min hug people would take it very seriously if it would be some you know but it's only a it's only something you have to do so you know people don't get so caught up in it but yes you have to be now the doesn't say you're to eat it he says you should be to eat it meaning at the very least it's something that should be done okay so the question is many people their sadar they last uh we well into the night and now the first thing you need to know is that if somebody wants to say a gamat no Gus have to do with no Gus what about very save it for the meal nothing to do with it's not a time for p it's not a time for gas it's not a time for coloring books it's not a time for the Mitzvah is to tell the story everything else is a distraction everything else and not only distraction you're going to end up being very important namely you have to finish not only that the say also so the question is what do you do what do you do if you're at a you're stuck at a sar and uh they're they're telling you the G every single word of the they haven't uh they don't do but so what do you think we're doing today oh great that's amazing yeah you didn't see the the message said by popular demand we're revisiting okay so that's that's um that's the question so okay we're going to try to go through it quickly comes from left field by the way his starting point is completely left field what do we make on mat says the same way we say we don't say we say why because if I say you know I don't I'm not I'm busy today I have to go be the Mitzvah today of uh we'll pick something else I have to do me a favor I want you to put on for me can you put on for me can't put on for me it's that's why we say so any we say not so why do we say I can't appoint you to e for me you do say you know that butar says so the says since is everyone in the right you know that only one person says everyone says but only one person says Al therefore Al is um only one person makes the the therefore Al is more um the only thing is it's not true that's not our Minh our Min is this doesn't work out according to AR that everyone makes the themselves so says well we don't want to change the of the T cuz the Torah says so says what it says what does that have to do with why because it says the word Al in in the P but Al is not talking about eating it okay [Applause] we have another question why do we say I'll be we should say because means to destroy by the way when do we make the the night before yeah well before we're burning the by the way little trivia question what are all the bras you only make once a year those are those are three and those are fouras you make once a year anyone who comes up with another one gets a extra Bagel is once every 28 years okay so why do we say we should say you ready when are you since the happens when P arrives the mitzah is not to burn the there's no mitzah to burn a piece of pizza the mitzah is is that when P comes it should have been burned if when comes the has been burned therefore it's more appropriate to say because the Mitzvah is not to burn it the Mitzvah is that when comes it should have already been burned Al also has a past implication is only for the future and it's not true the Mitzvah is not to burn thez the Mitzvah is that when PES comes the should have been burnt so now that we said that when we we say Al when we're saying a onv that when the time comes you want it to have already been done let's come back to to mat we know ACC to it says ready for the of the think about the just like was exactly at so too has to be before is that just like God slew the first born precisely at the moment of so too you need to eat the the matah by that's not similar it should it should be just like God slew the firstborn exactly at the moment of you need to eat the matah exactly at the moment of so basically you should you should go you should get a gun license and instead of matah you should make you should get matah pellets and have somebody exactly on a timer exactly at the moment of bam straight down your mouth down the esophagus into the stomach this way you could be so you say but it's but that when it's that's but why is how can you make a just like is exactly is must be since it's impossible to eat it exactly because exactly doesn't take any time and to eat it takes takes some time is not by some something has to happen exactly at what is it you ready for this it has to be that it has been eaten when the moment of it has to have been eaten that it says by now that we learned that the Mitzvah there's no Mitzvah to eat mat there's no Mitzvah eat P it's when the comes you had to have already eaten it so therefore we say Al not Le why what when comes you have to make sure you have already eaten it and then the Mitzvah is not to eat the mat the Mitzvah is that by the time comes it's a I wouldn't say that the MIT to eat the mat but since the source of the time is which means not just you have to eat it by but when comes you have you have to make sure it has been eaten be if let's say somebody says then he dies and then the next day before before somebody says somebody makes he dies so if he's only later yeah which is the is when it hits even if he's not there it's still going to hit time still alive no but he you're saying it's that's what said next step okay how do we learn from just like okay just like the source of this of when you eat is learned that is exactly so now we're learning you have to make sure when exactly comes you have already eaten it but still the question is it's not exactly parallel CU here it's it happened exactly and by we're not requiring you to eat it exactly says now this explains a very interesting phenomenon there's no that after you shake you need to be feeling vibrations in your hand until until the next day in other words there's no such Mitzvah that when it comes to shaking the sensation of shaking your hand has to continue for a full day so what's this inion that by a you have to make sure that the taste of the a remains in your mouth for a while why do you need to be tasting a you don't have to let's say when you eat in the Suka you don't have to preserve the taste of the Whenever there when there's a m of Kim we don't say don't use line after you eat the Kim you have to keep the taste of the K in your mouth what's this inion you have to have the taste of in your mouth says since the source of this is it says it says so technically speaking you should have to eat the P exactly at but you can't do that so at the very least it when Comes The Taste needs to still be in your mouth is the first one to explain the reason why you don't drink apple juice after I remember from when I was a kid the Seder was over it was 12:30 and I asked my grandmother I need to have apple juice so you can't drink apple juice after so I said what am I supposed to drink says water said what what's water water no we don't I don't drink water she didn't let me have apple juice so I remember that's my memory of it anyway what you should not be allowed to drink water you should be only allowed to eat matah after you should be allowed to eat matah no water nothing because water also will flush water doesn't take out the taste it actually does I mean according to the vine uh World stuff you mean because the the the water today the pH of the water is very acidic so you should have only smart water they were L plug life plug yeah but the question is why you all to have the third and fourth cup why you of wine wine doesn't take away the Mata anybody who knows the taste of mat knows the two that somehow we have both tastes at the same time yeah okay so therefore comes you need to have the taste of the P then in your mouth so that the taste of the has not dissipated now that we're learning that the source of the is and techn speaking you should have to eat it exactly at but since that's impossible at the very least need to have eaten it by now we understand the reason why the taste of the PES has to be in your mouth because if you can't eat it exactly then at the very least it should still be in your mouth here's the Whopper according to the opinion namely and the that you must eat the and the and you're allowed to eat food after says according to who holds you have to eat the and and you have to have the taste of the until when comes you're allowed to eat roast be and you could have and you can eat whatever you want why because there's no D you need to go to sleep with the taste of mat in your mouth the din is when comes you need to be you know Fe tasting the matah and at 1201 you don't have to taste the mat anymore that by the way that's a that that line alone is who says that's the reason why you have to have the taste of mats in your mouth I grew up thinking the reason is because you did Mitzvah you want it to be beloved to you you want to you want to wake up at 2:00 a.m. tasting matah or 4:00 a.m. or 9:00 a.m. you want basically by 11:45 when you're ready to wash you want to still be tasting the mat from the night before now says where' you get that you made that up the reason is it's that's why you have to have the taste of mat in your mouth that exactly at the moment of you need to take to be tasting the mat when is over then you don't have you're allow to eat ah even without it would seem this even without my that you need to be tasting the because something has to be going on exactly it's it's not that you have to be tasting mat well I have a question also you should be tasting the mat in your mouth when when exactly do you need to be stop tasting the mat when does it when does it when they bench tow when they sell the thir alah when exactly do you need to stop being tasting the mat it only makes sense you have to taste the mat in the man of the therefore let's say in the beginning of the me or in the middle of the I would say by if your kid came to the table with like a toome you know this size of and you know this s is going to 3:00 a.m. there's not a chance in the world you're making so if you see that it's you know what you do now he's talking about a case where you already ate the the uh you already ate the Kaz before the first Kaz before there is no het to delay the after it's a I don't care what they taught them in school take the book tell them tomorrow by the meal they could read the whole book not at the say that there is no opinion view that you're allowed to eat the k after the whole the whole there's only one mitvah of the whole year and you better make sure to do it before we're talking only about nobody's lenient by the so if you see a middle of the meal the meal is going late and I'm going to blow eating the before do as follows now this I don't love the cuz I don't I don't have room for the and in to now I'm going to have to eat three Kaz I'm going to eat the mat I'm going to eat the before the meal so this is what you do you say like this then this I'm eting is then going to eat it look at your clock and as soon as 1201 hits when I say 121 I mean whatever say now I'm free to eat the meal I am now to eat after I am according to because the Mitzvah is already over with the first and now after then verbalizing this do I you have to verbalize do you have to verbalize it first of all T you want to know if I do this I I usually don't have to do it I usually don't have to I usually try to make I usually try to you want the kids to be up for you want them to so you know we we what do we do we say the we translate I try to translate most of the stuff as I'm saying I I read a line I translate read a line translate you know people chime in you have you're on a shot clock and by the meal you could uh you want the kids to stay up for for mat you have to verbalize or it could be tonight let's see look in the bris look at number three you don't have to make a there's no you don't have to eat what's is a the last Kaz that you eat that's what's you don't e d so before you don't have to make a you don't have to be is and then after I'm allowed to eat and then I eat another one the bris says you know are necessary is the last Kaz that you eat so eat a k before meaning besides mat before the meal and then you'll eat another one after now by the way I just want to share with you two things um briefly hopefully we can do it very briefly rste did not hold the time of the um Raa says that tonight doesn't help Raa says um ofstein he brings that did not hold he says it doesn't help it is was not and was have before would say that under these conditions your your wife worked very hard and she slaved away making a beautiful meal and what are you going to tell her no I don't hold so what I'm going to do is I'm going to eat K I'm K I'm going to eat the we're going to skip your meal the way you've been you've been cooking for a month we're going to skip the meal and we're going to go straight to and we're going to call it a night you can't do that to her can't do it to her it's not right rely on ra said it's very nice you want to be a nice guy you have plenty of times to be a nice guy before P tell her before don't cook don't cook for the S not that all of a sudden now you want to be a nice guy the rest of the year you're a grouch and a grump all of a sudden you're became at the expense of you want to be a no you could be if you're nice the whole year you'll be able to get away with following the that's says you can't rely on suggested that to r on but if you're going to a program somewhere your wife isn't cooking and actually she wants to go to sleep so the the whole het to is you know you're showing courtesy to her she's like I don't need to eat I mean it's for you you don't want to eat let's you know the T room what the t- room yeah what do you mean the T want to participate in the T oh you want to now what exactly was Rosa's issue with AB let's try to see very quickly okay you ready let's try to do this very quickly by the way there are a lot of questions by the way when we're learning how could you make a there's a CL anything you can appoint the to do you can stipulate in now I can't appoint the to be comment for me Hali I could imagine you know you you sit at the table there like nine guys at the table who are they no the there there's there's an app you could hire people so I hired one guy to eat a one guy to eat the mat one guy to eat the M there's a there's a m eater I mean now they have they were advertising a throne rental Abel come on uh yeah Throne rental but you could rent a throne yesterday know they delivered Flor I'm sure but here here's my here's my ready first going add full page like silver then seven pages of different beas seven pages of beas silver beckes silver silver silver and then finally and this topped it off full page ad for debt relief okay so that's all you need to know um okay so let's see Ra's problem with let's let's read it quickly inside right what's the M you're allowed to eat after the of tasting after is only after says it is not in other words not going to help what are you going to do you're going to eat the first then you ate after it no you only I eat after before who told you that eat the whole night that even for him it's first he only said it as a that according to is exactly at first he said since it's not to eat something exactly therefore first he says is that it should have already been eaten and then he says that's the reason it's user to eat after the P so that at the moment of The Taste should be in your mouth okay so the first step of the is that since it's impossible to eat exactly at at least when comes you want the taste to be in your mouth then he says it's logical it's only logical that the taste has to be in your mouth in the time of the Mitzvah which is which is masma that only once he mades the terets of Al and not Li therefore he said at the time of the P should be eaten and that's why we say and now he was according to his answer that the is only and then he says in other words let's think carefully the's question is why do we say and not and the answer is first he says because when comes you need to have eaten it already and then he says that's the reason why we have we we make sure that the taste is in our mouth exactly at and then he says that's the reason why you're not to eat afterwards but that only applies what until not after so ask a very simple question according to Raba are you allowed to eat after the are you allowed to eat after after um a no no why why but if the whole reason why you're not to eat after a is so that the taste should be in your mouth exactly at since it's not possible to eat it exactly at at least the taste will be in your mouth exactly at that's only works in the world of that doesn't make any sense in Raba according TOA there should be no reason why you can't eat after the reason is that the Torah wants you to show love for the Mitzvah not to eat afterwards so then in also you should not be able to eat the whole night he says this that the of eating is only until never did like that in and all the people never did that for many generations you can't just rely on some against all the generations even if it's a clear especially this says and then rosha says further even his answer that is because have a question this the answer of Al only works in why does say you say Al the MIT is the whole night there's no that has to be eaten by the whole is Tam M says you can't rely on it so bottom line is like this if you have your own say there and you could do everything like in a test tube in most ideal possible way there's no question you should try to make sure to e and say before now that's not possible for many people either they're sitting at someone else to say that or they factors that are not completely within their control they have a a big family the ha takes time until they get home so then under those circumstances try to rely on but in other word but just to go indiscriminately and say well you know I'll eat after it's not it's for sure the you need to try to eat the so therefore if you're in a situation where you're not going and the meal is heading you start your meal with an additional uh k mat wait till and then you could have your meal and eat another one okay that's the in have a great day everyone you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by Torah anytime.com