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What does that mean? A love martyr. I'm
going to love you. I'm going to fix you.
I'm going to make you the way I know you
have to be or I'm going to die trying.
And there's a clinical term for that, by
the way. You know what it's called? A
Jewish mother.
By the way, the clinical term, by the
way, is a codependent. I learned on one
at one moment I haven't had an epiphany.
And I realized that I could double my
comedic repertoire in one moment when I
realized that all of the codependent
jokes they tell in recovery are
identical with the Jewish mother jokes
that the Jews tell. So you can just swap
them. And then I doubled my comedic
repertoire. Like yeah, codependent
jokes, Jewish mother jokes, the same the
same jokes. Like how many Jewish mothers
does it take to uh screw in a light
bulb? Don't worry about me. I'll sit in
the dark.
Or um codependent one. What's the last
thing a codependent sees before he dies?
Somebody else's life flashes before his
eyes. Okay, so basically you're talking
about somebody who says,
"Honey, I'm here for you. I'm going to
fix you. My life is about you. I have no
life. No, I don't deserve a life. My
life's on hold because I'm I'm taking
care of you and uh and I'm going to die
trying to fix you." And uh it's
painfully painfully painfully true. I
mean, when I say I'm going to die trying
to fix you, I don't I don't mean it as
hyperbole. And I don't know what the,
you know, medical examiners write down
as cause of death when people go to
their grave having put their entire life
on hold trying to save somebody else
from their own dysfunction. But it's a
serious, it's not a joke. The misery,
the living hell on earth.
I get a lot of calls still. I get a lot
of calls from people who are dealing
with addiction in the family. I never
asked for this.
I never put out I never put up a
shingle. I'm not an expert by any
stretch. I wrote a book on addiction and
recovery. But it's all this and I make
it very clear that that's what it is.
But nevertheless, I get a lot of calls.
People call me with
questions about addiction and I try to
send them to the appropriate help.
80% of the calls I get are not from
addicts. They're from friends and family
or mostly family of addicts.
And it's very difficult to answer a
question to the person who's trying to
fix somebody else's problem.
But let me just tell you classically
what happens. They'll call me up.
They'll say, "We have a problem. It's my
mother, my father, my wife, my husband,
my son, my daughter, my brother, my
sister, whoever it is. They're out of
control.
We tried this, we tried that. We went to
experts, we spent all this money, we
don't know what to do. What What can we
do? I've had this call so many times of,
you know, I'm used to it.
What I've realized is probably the most
efficient way to streamline the
conversation is I ask I ask a question
because I know I can't give solutions to
somebody about somebody else. So what am
I supposed to tell the person who's
calling? They're calling about somebody
else. I'm supposed to what I can only
offer the person who I'm talking to
something that they can do for themsel.
I can't offer you something to do for
somebody else. You know there's free
choice, right? Free choice. Free choice
is the freedom to choose your own
behavior, not to choose other people's
behavior. No matter how right you think
you are, no, no matter how right you
know you are. And even if a voice from
heaven will come forth and and confirm
that you're right, your free choice
still only extends to your own behavior.
You can't you can't choose how somebody
else is going to behave. Even if you're
watching them spiral into destruction.
So I asked the question. I asked them,
"Let me ask you something. I'm sure that
you're not calling me right now on a
good day, right? You're picking up the
phone. You're calling out for help.
You're probably at a low point right
now. Maybe even the lowest so far.
Probably a lot of insanity, a lot of
drama
going on right now. A lot of fear,
panic, dread.
And I say all of these things because
I'm just for a couple of reasons. One is
I'm trying to let them know that I'm not
minimizing the situation. I know how
crazy it is.
But secondly, I I'm I'm I'm telling them
to save time because every story is the
same story. I mean, the the details
might be different, but the same story.
the roller coaster, the the the the
raised hopes and then the crash and then
the the the disappointment and the
betrayal. It's the same story every
time. So I say, I know you're going
through insanity, through drama.
Sometimes I call it the roller coaster.
I know you're on a roller coaster. So my
question for you is this. If there were
a way that you could get your serenity
back, get your life back,
even if your loved one doesn't change,
would you be interested in that? Now,
I'm going to ask you something. Let's
say that I've had that phone call 100
times. I would guess it's a lot more
than 100, but for easy math, let's say
that I've had that conversation a 100
times. How many times out of a hundred
do you think the answer is? Yes. I'm
interested. Let me hear about that.
>> 100%.
>> I'd say I'd say five.
>> So, this is a realistic crowd over here.
I heard zero and I heard five. I'd guess
it's somewhere between zero and five.
Yeah.
>> 100. Present the word of
>> No, it's between zero and five.
>> Yeah. It's not zero. No, it's a few.
Maybe three or four out of 100.
But 95 96 97% easily easily will say to
me, "No, no, I'm not interested. No,
that's not what I want."
And even if you reiterate it to them,
you know, just to make sure they
understood the options behind door
number one, I mean, I don't mind I I
don't mean to to trivialize it. I'm not
trying to be funny, but Okay, option
number one is you continue on the roller
coaster. the insanity of trying to fix
this person.
And option number two is you get your
life back. You get your serenity back.
You get yourself back and they say, "No,
no, I don't want that." Okay,
so that's a love martyr and it's no
joke. People die from this. Like I said,
I don't know what the medical examiner
writes as the cause of death, but people
die from this. They go to early graves
from this. They drive themselves and
their entire family and sometimes entire
community insane. And it's not from a
lack of love. It's from an abundance of
love. The love that says, "I know what's
good for you and I must make sure that
that's what you get." I mean, it sounds
so simple. Live and let live. Live and
let live. Sounds simple, but there's it
becomes an obsession. I call it being
addicted to the addict. You know, just
like the addict is obsessed with getting
that next fix that makes you feel like
life is okay. Life is okay, right? For a
second, for however long the high lasts.
So, being addicted to the addict means
there's that one moment where you feel
in control, right? Where you, you know,
you check their cell phone messages or
where you
called someone and who says, "I saw
where they are." or you go through their
you go through their their wallets while
they're asleep and whatever it is the
detective work that you have to play to
to feel like you have that control like
you're keeping tabs on them like you
know KGB stuff you know what's h oh oh
that moment that illusion of oh they're
safe oh they're okay oh and it's and
it's it's being addicted to the addict
is addicted to that feeling that
momentary fleeting false feeling that
everything's okay everything's under
control when the truth is no it's not
under control I mean not under your
control. It's under God's control. And
the recovery from this obsession, this
addiction to the addict is to detach and
release that person to the love and care
of God who is in control. You know, they
say detach is an acronym. D E T A C H.
Detach. Don't even try and change him or
her. Let go. And let go is not
abandonment.
Let go is let go of expectations. A lot
of people I hear, they get so burnt out
they become hardened. Their hearts
become hard and then they say, "Well,
you know what? I was a people pleaser
and now my my recovery from being a
people pleaser is I have to be a jerk."
They don't say I have to be a jerk, but
sometimes they do actually, but they you
know, no, I have to say no. It's toxic
for me to say yes. And and that's
unfortunate
because what was doing harm was not the
kindness. It wasn't that you were being
kind to someone. It was that you were
being kind in exchange for the illusion
of control. The kindness wasn't really
gratuitous kindness. It wasn't for fun
and for free. The love was a
manipulative way of feeling like I can
assure myself that this person is going
to behave the way I know that they need
to behave.
>> Always.
>> Yeah. Every single time. 100%. By the
way, never believe a categorical
statement. No. But enough of the time.
It's all everything's on a spectrum.
Everything's on a continuum. The
question is how far how far along the
continuum are you? And that of course is
for each person to examine in
consultation with someone who's
objective, a spiritual guide, someone
who knows your life. And sometimes we
really do reach a place where our
motives are clean and we can give
lovingly with no strings attached. Rabbi
Akiva was able to do that. His students
weren't.
We can aspire to it. But to the extent
that we're lacking and that we're still
controlling instead of truly loving or
using love manipulatively to control,
then we should be aware of it. We should
be aware of it and we should consciously
try to cut it out. Stop it. Let go.