A Sefer Torah That Fell R"L - What Should Be Done? - Rabbi Yakov Zev Smith

and like discuss a very timely subject unfortunately someone came to my house a few weeks ago on shabbos although he's wearing a mask but he looked very very perturbed very disturbed and he told me that he was they were in the middle of laning one of these alto magnanim and rahman al-santa say if a toyota rolled off onto the floor one side of the seven turtle rolled off onto the floor i guess that's another casualty of this virus and this is one of those sugiyas that i never wanted to talk about but over the years we did hear shylus whether it's a terror that falls or it fell in the arana kaidish or the question of a bucket that dropped his fill in the box shallows that do come up and i guess we have to go through this suggy the embassies have another incentive to talk about this once mentioned from the daily praise kim say that when a person learns a certain indian he is zaika going through the indian if you learn about you stay healthy because either you learn the suggyo if you're on the sugar there's a ketchup and you have to have the suffix to go through the sugar so i think it's possible a school of that will learn the sugiya of this question of terror that fell on the floor and hopefully that will prevent it from happening in the future it's going to be nice to my dog that we have a lot of shyless about safety that falls on the floor and each one i would really should say but it will take a lot of time so let me be moist my dog the whole today is one big so we'll won't keep on saying that but the question is if these things happen where do we proceed so i must tell you this was particularly challenging because there is no mention in the gemara we shine in or even in sugya in other words there are some sugis that you don't find the gemara but the mesha name the discusses for example moving a safety tire from place to place is not a gemara but there are more quotes we showing him there's a sugury that also negated in these this time of the of our history moving itself different place to place but this sugiya there is absolutely no mention in gemara we shine him this is referred to as the ballet because there are literally hundreds of chuvas discussing the shiala which makes it a very full suggy very geshmaka sugya the reasons that afkamina but but you might notice there's no mention of gemara or because it's basically a suggy of chuvas farm that discussed various questions one of the first historically discussed this shailah was the mishpate shmuel and symmenud bays he was at a son-in-law of the benjamin zave so that he's probably from the earliest and his question actually was regarding to fill him is there really a source in allah that if someone's filled and falls on the floor he must fast that's what he was asked so he says you should know that filing has great kadusa and you can't be messier from the tv but when it does fall down a king took the twilight and defiantly burned to twilight he has to rise two creos not one two one for the giveaway one for the isis commander for terrorist and israel so this is quoted that if you have to fast when when twilight are burned it makes sense that the same is true regarding safety and listen how he ends up saying in other words we're going to compare to fill in to say the torah right that if khalilah this day burn a the the the melak burns twill and you have to fast twice certainly if a terrorist burned then he goes from a different angle it's plush it there's no right it it's but it's push it i say the third that falls down you have to fast therefore that's the response to your question you want to know whose state is that if it fell and falls for you have to fast it's push it because since seyfather is like that who i didn't fill them so in other words the given is a safer terror that falls on the floor you have to fist now then he adds a sasuraya because the kimura says if someone sees has a dream and in the dream he dreams that a safety terror was burnt he has to fast even on shabbos so his reasoning is if you have to fast for a dream so you have to face one and say the third falls on the floor and then he says this is enough of a smack of a reference that you have to face when children falls on the floor so if you notice this is really not a conclusive riot in any way because the guitar is talking about film that were burned who said when it fell and also the raya from a person had a dream is hardly a riot because we know we dream many dreams you have to fast so if you dream about to say the thirst and this if you have to fist but where do we see conclusively that film that fall or third or false you have to fast so it seems like it's basically just a remiss but he calls it excess ray there's a second source and i think it's a little early in history the marie bruna in the chubus and he was a talmud of the tribal sadeshin who's also quoted extensively in sh he had the same question it's ironic most of the sources of today are regarding film that fell on the floor but the price can say if phil and you have to fist koshka and save the therapist if there is more kadushi than chilling but here's the question about the esther mary bruno and simon zayin if if someone's phil and fell onto the floor does he have to fast so he writes the following which is very important as we'll proceed he says i heard from i saw by my rebellion if you're feeling fell by chakras and you didn't yet eat or drink at all fast that day in other words even though it's good to be macabre tightness before but better is fes bay bayonne so the given is filling for on the floor you have to fast how do i know this so he says if you have this occurrence this is a message a wake-up call and finland falling on the floor is undoubtedly a wake-up call and he has again arria again it's not a raya brewer but he has a raya that from a cotton cafe if someone phil is putting on filling and the the ratsu is turned over so it's the outside inside inside outside and this happens the gemara says and while you cut me you have to fast you put on that filter and the sewers were inside out you have to fast okay don't get nervous we don't ask in this way this is not in mr does bring does not dominic as many poison say but the point is we see the extent of zil's old villain so the mario bruno reasons if putting on the ratsu is back inside out you have to fast because it's a wake-up call no the same is true if phil and fell on the floor now what is the industry response when he receives a message shuvam an integral part of chuval or the prelude of shuva is a tinus that we know when thesaurus we fast so this is the source of fasting when filling for on the floor so again we're going to extrapolate from that ma doc when still informally after fast who are they in safety again it's not a conclusive because we don't see specifically fasting when filling fall on the floor but i guess it's understood ritsu is saying the world didn't feel them the third source is the kappas tomorrow who was one of the greater akron i guess a little later in this video says you're not supposed to dive in when you're holding on to this film you'll add a weird chill when you're dabbing but you're not supposed to hold on to it because i might fall down reasons the the the kappa is tomorrow and if it falls down what's what's the end of the world must be if it falls down you're going to have to fast so says the kappa is tomorrow the mishpath says fall down i think it's also a gemara in sukhi mamal if ahmed bays because the gemara is inaudible because it might fall down obviously if it does fall down that's a terrible bazillion so this is the third source from the gemara and circle it's interesting you need a raya that that's a bazillion isn't it push it but the the problem with this resource is we don't see that you have to fast we see it's a bizarre methods you have to fast so as we'll see none of the rises are conclusive a lot of the sources are absolute just one is adding to the other and you put it all together you have a pretty good picture the fourth chuva a very slightest and this is specifically regarding safety the first of the four this is regarding safe attire someone was called to an aliyah and somehow he opened up to save a torah and one half rolled onto the floor does he have to fast because part of it is still on the bema so he quotes the mishpate shmuel and he quotes the copies tomorrow but he has a problem listen to the problem according to both sources from the misprotest and the kappas tomorrow we only see that if i drop the safa torah i have to fist or if i dropped phil and i have to fist where do we see the minig that if the safety terror falls everybody has to fast oh now he's extending the now he's saying that if a terror falls everybody has to fast that we don't see from any of the previous sources so he marshals a new source for this and that's the possibility of zoys there's a special curse if you don't pick up the torah so the xiaomi in sight the zhiyun dal it has a very interesting reading of this passage is there a torah that's fallen you have to pick it up so the xiaomi says yes that's the chasin that's supposed to be picking up this eiffel tower zak the ramban on that possibly in kisaway alderaan he has to shoot him to this you shall me or rashford first of all the gabay or the shamish that is supposed to put back to say the third the bhima in the aranakai dish safely securely if he puts it in the aranakoidish and doesn't make sure it's secure it doesn't close it up with a with a a chain of something it could fall down or someone that's doing hagba and doesn't do it properly and khalil it falls down so therefore we see from a ramban based interview xiaomi which is a poster can deter a frightening person i must mention or rashawayakim therefore reasons the imrae ash that if someone sees a safety toyota falling he has to fast why because lee boy nike for he is concerned maybe it was my fault i should have ran over and saved it i should have been been more careful so it's not only the shamish or the magbia he's saying that's why the minute is everybody fast you were part of that sieber maybe you should have been a little more careful so we see a source custom made regarding safety torah not only the person involved but the entire zebra as well there is one obvious problem with this source we see it's a terrible horror if this happens but where do you see if the fast so that i would imagine if there's an aura looming above your head you had better respond properly now what should i do be nervous be worried no that doesn't help fast so it's not a riot particularly regarding tightness but it's a ride that you need a major kappa there is an important shiva of the divreichay in the sanzero viadeya simon non test and that's we're beginning our fifth source he had a shiala where a the chamish was supposed to sleep in the shul to watch the suffering terror there was no safe in those days and he was it was no one else in the show he didn't want to sleep alone the shall see when he slept at home and nebuchadn vandalized the sewell and literally destroyed sephora tower they threw them onto the floor and some of them i don't think it was ruined mama's but it was monarch bit brazilian and the question was yesterday what should be the the response of the of the killer the tibor so he quotes the kappa is tomorrow and he says we don't see a dentinus so he says there must be a different source now listen to this he says the more entities the mission and tightness actually say the tiniest what has to be done what's the program when there's a tiny sible when is it sorry times to the city square center of the city why to demonstrate klitschko new orleans we have problems maybe it's not raining whatever the problem is and it's obviously our fault look we had a beautiful safer toyota and now we have to bring it out to the city square it's getting it's being humiliated it's being this vasa and we see from this gemara that the avoyna is our sins caused bizarre nato and if something like this happens if there's bizarre in a torah and he's talking about bringing the safety out to the to the city square but certainly to say if there fell on the floor that's a bona fide design so we caused it therefore he says and listen to this i'm going to tightness on all the people in the city that this story that this story happened to they have to fast three times baja bay's hay base and he says if someone can't faze he's not he's weak he has to give to dhaka the amount that he would have spent feeding himself for that day so we'll soon originally was the fast three times we'll soon see the minute today but the debris is giving us a valuable insight what he feels that the macar of the tightness is we cause the bizarre of the safety torah by fat we have to fast so kosh gang when we drop a safety torah the tziba has to fast now of course he doesn't explain but one person dropped it but evidently if it happened in the zebra all of the membership of the zebra has to make a very pronounced response by fasting again this also you could wonder where do you see tightness that that happened to be they're making the tiniest because of that sir but that's the vichayan feels is the reason a number of point to a mission in brock island if a person davens and he makes a mistake it's not a good simmon but if the shots makes the mistake during hazard it's a simira but to all the people that sent him because you out that you you are our delegate you are our and you made a mistake it's a reflection on us so the priya saw the invasion all say this is a source to first when the secretary falls because whether it's the shamish or the gabbai generally it's the shlee of sibba that caused in the field of this apha torah so that's a bad simmon a bad omen for the rest of us therefore we all have to fast now of course this really is not a perfect riot because true it's a seven round but where does he have to fast but one thing i will say bob zama sirotskin points out beautifully that based on this reason we understand the miniki stroll when a safety terror falls everybody fails when a person drops his villain only he fails what's the philip he says beautifully if a person drops his phil that's his private problem so it's like a person made a mistake during davening so it's a bad feminist fest but if the say the terror falls generally that's a cement for the sherlockhove for the zebra and all the zebra has to fast and i saw what's actually the seventh rem is and this is just the rem as the chubus tyrus he says it's historically we know historically that when maisha broke the lucha ice was shavasana thomas so apparently when it's when lucha is broken it's a time for fasting so he assumes that safety that falls also has that type of feeling that it's like to save a terror that broke and therefore we have to fist now the embassies we have to realize that all the sources are none of them are really conclusive as we mentioned we could always ask on the reasons especially the last reason yeah who said that you compare say the territory broken lucha it seems that it's just all the reasons are really true one is really adding and supplementing the other if you put together all these reasons the six or seven reasons that we had it's enough to understand the mini gesture i always feel that the real reason is uh to quote once visited by ben gurion who wanted to promote guild's bonus drafting the girls into the army and he asked tell me where does it say who state this where does it say that you're not going to do that so open his jacket and he pointed to his heart and said oh if mine hearts status of my heart status so i think with the answer really the source while we fast when i say tara falls or if needed it's like like it's like a dream that i say if there was burnt we had the vibranium like it's a wake-up call we saw the copies tomorrow the bracelet was is you shall me and the rambam is a safety in this bazaar we saw that the sixth reason uh based on the brock islamic base a bad simmons for the analogy to shivers but the end of the day of the year status and that is undoubtedly the mini golem and now let us apply this lemaiser so let's not forget since it's a school to learn the sugya we'll try to talk about as many shows as we can to get the most protection the most schools on our learning so one thing is positive if the safety terror falls even if the mantle is on the muscle during the it falls on the floor so the actual clap doesn't touch the safety torah doesn't touch the floor i'm sorry it's still ahi if the fast who says it's not me the maganavram in the beginning of simon memdalid quotes our misprotest and he makes an important distinction the mishpatrol you have to fast when children fall on the floor that's only if that's filling actually the bottom hit the ground if the children is in the box or certainly in the mantle you don't have to fast but but for torah that falls even then i take on you would have to fast so agar we see that a safety that falls even in the mantle you have to fast but you also see there is a difference between secretary that fell and filling both we fast but the difference as we said the safety tire is even in the narc even in the mantle but villain is only if the actual filament hits the ground now the emma says i there's a whole difference so we'll leave for a different share filner falls on the floor of mezuzah and mcgillice and clough him and many other shylus but today we'll focus on safety toyota even if it's in the ondamanto the next question is a challenging question let's say it was a real real honest to say if there felt it was mama's unpreventable now of course when you're holding safety you have to be very very careful i'm talking about it was a qualified oinis gummer is there still a cliff to fast by an ionizer that as we showed is not a gemara it's not a so isn't there a trouble in ireland over but here we'll say like we'll say to all the questions they'll bust a time the reason a lot of the reasons apply even if it's not your fault the wake up call the seeing the bazoon of torah it's not that you are the torah but to see us on the floor as a mighty episode is a scene of bizarre and it's horrific scene so if the avila would be the action the person did so you say is part but that's not the case it's the bazillion of the save attire it's the wake up call like the diver is to see a safety tire bazaarian and i think most convincing one of the original sources from the gemara cotton safety that was burnt bizarroya by a wicked king of course there's an iron you couldn't prevent it so the embassies the chuva is hare haribashimayum i he called some a few gomorrahs not regarding say the torah that fell on the floor but regarding brazilian safety even if you didn't cause it but i say victoria is the problem so we'll say that that's the seems to be the minigun moisture says it is clearly that even if it's oinus that doesn't change the bazoo there are some that are michael by inus but i must say the minute israel seems to be even honest it's the wake up call it's the message it's the design of this aether type next question is a little more challenging than it seems when the seventh era does fall who has the fast i'll give you three possibilities the person involved also when i was doing the dropped it the hagwa person that's involved the second level is you the people in the shul that were there that were dominating with dominion and the third is people that were not there but they're part of this kahila they have a membership they might be vacationing in florida but they are a member of this gala it's during the winter they're not there or he's doubting a different show so the ms is the original source from from tuition is only the person himself has children that falls on the floor only the person faiths and that leads the kid in shiree bracha he writes the following it makes a very aggressive statement i heard about a certain kihillah to say the terror fell and the rub was great the tiniest and the whole silver bays hay bays i don't understand the one that dropped it has the fast base a base but why is that seaborne guilty what did they do so the kida seems to have the opinion it's only the person that was involved with the nephilim again the valve whether it's or whatever it was michigan rolled off whatever the case is but the person involved and no more however why we know the answer it's syllabus whether the reason is we're witnessing a bazillion like the dividing or the wake-up call or the based on the you shall me and you see a a scene like this you know you got to be careful but then again based on the xiaomi you could say or the person maybe that's not guilty but did say the other people feel guilty they should have prevented it definitely the whole svara why what prompted him to say a new swara was to explain why the whole siba has to fast and definitely the reason of broke islamic beings that it's a seminarial the shoghov that applies even for all people and again that's the minute maybe your state of my heart's like that but the meaning is the entirety but has to fast but i must mention let's not forget the starting point is there is no to fast the whole ki of quote unquote is a minik so that's why the brim himself says even though he was going he's italians on the entire sibor but if a person is not it's not well he's not healthy he could give to duck instead because the starting point is is interesting there's no wheel here but it's a very strong minik so there has to be leeway for people that can't do it so the mini kadaish the mini condom is the that that shiba fest but if someone finds it hard there is what to be making now i once had a shield there was there are a few there's a minion there's a shoe that has a few concurrent men hugging we have in this room and that one upstairs and it fell in one one seaboard in one minion to the other two myanmar festival also so you could be a little creative you know when people spot a streimel of hassan during chevy brock i see even in one minion the whole place doesn't say or when there's a bris in their the building in one minion they skipped a roman i'm not saying that's but if regarding taftan you're quick to say it's one show it might make sense because it is one show so even though you dabbing in a different menu you weren't there bishas maisa but you're in the same base at kinesis and it's probable that the entire oil knows in that building that base magic has to fast even though you're not part of that minion you don't actually see it but it's not like a member who's in a different location you're in the same location if someone wants to be makel i could understand that also because maybe it's only those that saw it next question is it true every member has to fast so this is really time if it's a message so it's a message for the tequila he says the pharisees akihila and taka saw the shraga may okay legible semen aleph at the end it's eliezer and has a beautiful chewbacca lique seminal perrick hay brings many sheathes that anybody in that that belongs to that kihilo in other words the membership has to accept the same things so it's really four levels people involved the people that saw it that minion in a different minion concurrent minion and now we have membership they're all included but as you could realize there are some that are makel because the whole kiev is not a say if you're not you're not there in the shul you don't have to fast but lipatible efsa your suffered this terrible tragedy and i did indeed i saw that the pooper of simmons he writes that he once was together with the satmarov when i said there fell on the floor and they decided to break the kill into three different parts the person that was involved with the nafila has to fast three ten years the thieve of that was there bishop smarties has to face once and the membership those that were that are part of the killer but not there but have to give pidgin give to dhaka instead of fasting sternberg and the troopers hate and zain also said there's on the membership to at least give to dhaka to be paid the tigers whose potter from this tightness who was there bishops myself is anybody exempt from the fast so logic dictates that or an or ish in that posit will find it very draining to fast could rely on giving to dhaka don't forget and others hold only the person that dropped the safety we are the entire siba that was there but reminds us myself someone said and perhaps on a regular tina siba he doesn't fast so hakuna makai is this more than a regular tiny sibo but again even this person who's not required to fast but the possibility he should partake in the young tefila if they make him tila if they have russia or he should definitely give tzedakah but we won't say interesting question i found surprising do women have to fast let's say it happened sharp this morning there's this nation was full of women today after fast so i saw a much more tragic shyla and this is in the directive and the ashmotes in the new print it's the beginning of haile gimmel the following really tragic shiloh the they were the shoe was left with candles burning and the shabbos who was supposed to watch it didn't stay in shul and it caught fire and forced the victoria burned and they wrote is what should be their response so he says a very vigorous chuva but he adds everybody has the fast but not the women he doesn't even say why maybe because women are more schwa i see them attacking women don't fast or by by regular teneos maybe that's the judgment but i also saw the invalian yosef also said that women don't fast so we could say neman elena that even if men first women are potter katanam who really don't fast even until they're bar mitzvah so if they're potted from real tanya's they're certainly potted from this but if it ever happens it's a very important kenneth to give a child that if you were part of this tragedy you have to take part of its response you're not a fest but you should do something come to the cyrus chuva learn something maybe give sadaka but it's a very up good opportunity to make a child in this most important endeavor how many times do you have to fast the person that came to my house said he heard you have to fast 40 days no i did see him occur the first 40 days actually the sim and mem and the diriyatta the cloisonne your deathbed that is a source to fast 81 times which is not dominic don't get nervous the myself as we saw the hideo that i mentioned in our shalom atop salman rushd three times bahab monday thursday and monday however it seems to me the minute is that because maybe because today we wrong fast three times one tinys is sufficient now la maison the one that was if a person was negligent there would be a good reason shift asked three times but certainly for the tivor at large that do fast one time is enough in your destiny the tissue of night broke into a shoe vandalized the shoe and the suffragette they threw it in muddy water and it was ruined so he says that of course this is much worse than saifthar shanafa and he says that the mesa he quotes some of our sources he calls the hida and then he has his own reason when something happens it's a wake-up call but after all this he says that since no one was at fault if it was an ionis yo potter so apparently the avenasa goes with the street the iron is spotted but as we said this is unacceptable because the police can say even is hive so in that case even though no one did it in other words the guy did it so if snapchat you did a buoyancy no one did it but the mere fact that the terrorist suffers such a terrible bazillion of other a appropriate response should be made myself the safety fell on the floor on shabbos during during galileo part of this after fell on the floor which will soon see even partially on the floor it requires a tightness so what's the sheila but then he adds some is adam a murder if it if they say after fell on the floor on shabbos there's no tightness the same thing i happened during the week there's tinus but shabbos is exempt why so listen to an einfall because the berkeley yosef in yeradaya simon shin mem says if a person sees a third burning on shabbos so if they're in this evan shabbos he doesn't rise kriya even though it is if you see a safe hershey and this if you have to rise kriya but on shabbos you can't rise kriya and once you have the rice kriya on shabbos you don't do it on sunday or matoy's habits so reasons the aidum of the base yitzhak since the reason to fast when i say if there falls on the floor is like the safety terrorist and israel no there's an israel we don't fast on shot we don't rise creon chavez so it stands to reason there's no response when a severe terror falls on the floor on shabbos and therefore you don't have to fast so that's another zeal buster timer since the reason severe terror falls on the floor is like say terrorist nisra shabbos is exempt now needless to say according to this is not only shabbos exempt shabbos or yamtiv whenever you can't rise kriya there's no here of fasting however for us this is very hard to accept because that's only one of seven reasons the bulk of the reasons is no different shabbos or weekday plus many of the shilohs you look you'll see we're talking about shabbos some are talking about yum kippur yum there are a a a number of chubas once if they're frozen if you can't rise korea and the ambush is the raya from kriya is not orion because kriya is totally on the sim of haleigh when you see it's a tragedy once it's it's sunday or shabbat dissipates but here we're talking about you need a capara or a wake-up call or it's a bad simmon six of the seven reasons are not dependent on severe terrorist and israel and again as i told you the arias from the poiskon that talked about shabbos or yamcha and no one thought of saying shabbos is different and even the base yitzchak is not so convinced that this sac is right so we could say emphatically that even if it happened on shabbos yam the same applies question a person fell down with a safe attire but the good news is he clutched to save a torah carefully so he's sitting on the floor but the staff there did not touch the floor at all this could happen on sem when person's dancing he lost his balance so here's the scenario he fell down with the safety toyota but he's sitting on the floor and at no time this if terror touched the floor even partially does he have to fast so the lambda will say well the secretary fell but then again it didn't hit the ground so here i saw the heart 3 and simmon mem has this shia regarding simcha's torah and he says that the severe turret didn't fall the person fell so he says there's no tightness okay a person who gives a dog he says but if the seventh day did not hit the ground actually there's no key of times what's a little of a more of a challenging question when lamasa if to say the torah hit the ground even partially with the ate him so that now he fell and the second third hit the ground not it didn't fall flat on the ground but part of it touched the ground so you'll say well the clock didn't touch the ground so what's the problem but that's wrong because we began with the magnavrom the secretary that falls even when atika even its mantle you have to fast and will soon see that even even falling partially is so that's like a problem if the person clutched sifter and it didn't touch the ground at all he's potter if it hit the ground partially then the tiba has to fast a interesting question it's very good to talk about it when you have a chance by the shabbos table let's say the worst happened a person tripped he fell and now you see a most horrific scene a yid's laying on the floor and next to him i say the tire is laying on the floor who do you pick up first the person or the safe attire don't forget the famous position in paris they say when uh when a a person is being hung because in the midst of clia you have to take it now right away because kill us are they kim totally even russia is a stick holy course it's alimony kin the maori system is if someone is standing but chastity is ashamed of he has to rise kriya because they have a terrorist in israel so yida is a lebanese this question and he really points out that this is totally in the sphere of listen to this kadusa nama gimmel says you have to stand up for a safa torah for for for atom certainly if it's in the first safety so if there is more but then the gemara says the machis of bays how foolish the people are they stand up for the safety torah and not for the learners so it seems that more so it's a big sugar i'll leave that to you to decide but the beauty is every part of our torah has a reason to it the question is a person before ace patora is totally how we identify the person how much of a secretary really is i should say most place mold and safety is picked up first because a person laying on the floor is a semi bazillion but if they have on the floor is a horrible bazillion and that has to be stopped first i say the terrorist question it didn't fall on the floor mamas it was during simcha's torah i saw one child during purim but whatever the case is there was a very like live dancing lively dancing the whole iron curtain toppled onto the floor so the save a terror in the iron hit the ground but didn't touch the ground the other did not to save the tire so this is worse in a certain sense than the previous case when a person fell down here they aren't quite the tattasmi shekadusa also hit the ground but the paise can say that they say the terror did not touch the ground it's protected by the orange and there would be no key of tinus of course a response should be made but more than that you don't need question the safety toyota fell down entirely but it fell in the arena coyotes now today the iron aquarius are a little thinner but these they have wider arnica dish so if they're fell flat laying flat on the floor of the iron kite dish do you have to fast so this is tricky it didn't hit the ground but unlike the previous case it fell down flat so we could say that it didn't hit the ground but then again it fell so really the question is is that perceived as a bazillion if it's on the floor in a question we might like to say the arna kurdish floor is part of the shemishekadusa so here i saw the avne yoshvekhe the dallas and therefore it's not a bazillion and you don't have to fast if there fell on the floor correct but not the floor of that's worked on it's the arm kindness flow and there's nothing of times some compare this to a different sheila which when it fell on on this on the steps you have to fast but that's the steps but not in the floor of the arnakay dish what happens too often a person opens there on a kurdish and they say victoria comes tumbling out and hits the ground so that positive either tree of titus even though it's an ironist we said earlier the kenyan terrorists say even though it wasn't the person's fault first of all he might have should have been more careful but beside that there's no kilik he has to fast as a big kiddish he says it's a mice and a fielder but no one was mapping it no one caused it to fall there's no tightness and that's what he says but we can't because the mice from the gemara we saw regarding his actually that a safety that was burnt you have to fast because someone did it if no one did it you don't have to fast that's his rally but the ray will clarify is like because the more speaks about when the basia no an definitely seemed to say i saw the kenyan terror has a nice tube as i mentioned so even if no person dropped it but even we saw earlier the myself that it's the message is the wake up call and therefore a tightness should be made question it fell on the steps or the platform going up to the orange now let me just be clear back and stalin there is no question like this because it's the whole school is flat but in many shows there's a platform there's a steps going up to a platform and there you go to their naked dish so it's not ground level so to speak the shoes on one level you go up a few steps there's a platform the question is if there's a terror fell on either the platform or the steps going up to the platform so the mice it's not as bad as the floor but it's still a place that people walk and the i could bring is your idea zayn you now let him put sephora koidesh koshkin and say photora onto that platform onto the madregas onto the steps or the platform leading up to the arena kurdish so if you can't put swarm down even even nada safety even cepheid koidesh so obviously exited the floor and therefore the priya soda in heilig bays i am based speak about it it fell on the steps going up and it's that's the abstract on that truth i mentioned earlier yes even i fell on the steps but people walked here now the platform is a little easier of a shot a little easier to hear maybe it's potter because a platform no one walks generally chapter of when he goes to speak but the end of the day it's it's the ground it's not like a bench for example someone's sitting on the bench and he drops if they're onto the bench so that there's no key of tires and hit the ground but the platform is not as bad as the ground but it's not a bench i'll give you another muscle someone that once saw this someone did haka and he posted lost his balance if there fell onto the beamer there's nothing of tinus then hit the ground so hitting the beam or hitting the bench is part but if they hit the platform that people walk there even though it's now walk down so commonly but it's still ground so that's why it seems platform and certainly the steps would not be a tour different question is la maison a only part of the safe authority fell on the ground i'll give you a very common example during hogwarts someone lost balance on one hand the weekend obviously and one after the safe attire one of that's kind hit the ground the other one is still her clutching on very carefully does he have to fast or not so you start thinking about we know the gemara speaks about you're holding on to a safe and part of the world out of the rashus so it's considered haitsa do we compare it to that pastas you'd have to come on to rayas isn't it a bazillion seeing a safe attire even partially on the floor now the fact that you're holding on to one half doesn't take away from the brazilian and i would add more so the price can say if someone khalilah dropped the filler onto the floor but he's still holding on to the ratsu is it doesn't help he has to fist because the the bottom are touching the ground so what do i care if part of safe terror is off the ground part is on the ground and you want to be technical you could even add that even part of the safer torah has so much terror part of the safety has more terror than tillen that only has the parasitois still you have to fast like filling so again i don't think it's a perfect raya but i saw a long list of poison vmware as we mentioned in my shock basically one af hit the ground one has to fast now i did mention all those piskin because i did see the haze hazard base cove but filler you test llama tessa horror 117 that seems told if part of the sector is still being held you don't have to fast but it's a big hadith and as we said most places can feel even part of the safety is enough of a bazillion that requires tightness i've explained the club in the other shin shin he has a lambda approach that so maybe in this context it's it's mako but it does says the end you should fast you can't criticize him so i think we could say most fights will give him a moisture recommends it that's the right course of action whether it's during hagba galileo or as i mentioned the show that i began with the safety rolled off the bema part of it's on the floor part of it's on the bema they should be guys the tightness and all those that were there if someone wants to be a little more mako on people no we have a swara to be mako the others and in this case some are mako when it's on part of its own being held but most where a person was sitting holding the safety after and he lost his grip safety fell backwards so he's still holding it but the top of the ceiling is now touching the ground and he proves quoting his father also that that's considered touching the ground he convinces so the mice in that case one has to fast what is a question that comes up a person did hagba and the atikayam cracked so he lost the grip on one half as if terror which promptly fell on the floor the other side he was still holding on to it so this is namashiah even though pot is he's being held but parts are on the ground plus this is a very scary message this is mamashiramban that itara fell on the floor bashas hagba and that siba saw it and boy do they make a gasp when they see such a thing and it's important that here belgium should fast even the only part fell on the ground i must mention a gaba i should be careful to only give hogba to someone who's qualified first he has to have the manpower also you have to learn hilhais you're not supposed to open this a future more than two or three columns people like to open and wide that's looking for trouble it's not right says not to open it too much get a grip also you don't just lift the safety tire up that shows you're very strong but that's not right because it might crack you're supposed to get leverage bend it over and then you could pick it up and it doesn't risk cracking it if you pick it up suddenly you're it's you're giving it the weight that might crack the attica so i don't think there's a licensed hagba person said the gaba should only give those that know how to do it properly during our conference it happens as if terror falls and as we said the fact that it's on yamthev is not up to the fact he's trying to do a mitzvah is not a tour because we said even during hagba if it falls one has to fast so especially sometimes unfortunately during our coffers is up shia people are not careful and i don't have to mention even if someone drinks khadily should hold the safe with her in his hand whether it's night or day that's certainly reckless but say patara onsen has to be held very carefully and any question don't hold the safe attire it's a very scary message when seftara falls during simchastra we're trying to show covered and look what happened and indeed the marie steif and simon the mayor that i mentioned and the truva all said during our coffees even though you're doing a mitzvah fasting should be required i did see this on the top of there about a coffee saver fell he didn't want to answer the i don't know what a suffolk was but the pie skin don't seem to make any silic akaphas or any time of the year an interesting question if it's a veterinary apostle apostle save a tear fell on the ground typically on some hysteria that used even possible sephora toyota is that any killer regarding the fear of tightness so the embassy is it's not as bad as the kasra say for torah but it's bad enough don't forget it has shameless hashem in order to raise shameless hashem from apostles save the savitaria and even if it's mammish beyond repair this whole allah has had to bury it you can't just put in the sheamus and the fact is that most of this if there is caution and i saw a host of paiskim the mirage engel and still they did not consider any swara to be makel in other words it's not as bad as a custard but it's bad enough fascinating question someone was carrying a safety in the street he was transporting it and he dropped it in the street who has the vest on park or flatbush the entire uh uh entire avenue j how does it work streets districts borough so i think it's totally in the reasons none of the zilbasa timer if the reason is it's a wake-up call to the community you know i don't know is there a community on the street if the way if it's a wake-up call to the one that sent him so if he carries if they're for the school it's a wake-up call for the show if it's islam the bizarre torah then that was that sort so it makes sense that those that saw it definitely have to fast but it's hard to make a machine on the entire district the entire borough park or flatbush those that saw it would have to fast then i found that that takes this simple approach it depends what the reason is to apply atlantis the abnet zedek that was the zeitgeist had an interesting shiloh there was sort of a break off minion people left a certain shoe made their own minion the first day they dabbed in their own shoe children went to the old show that they abandoned took out the safety torah and started playing with it and it one part of the center hit the ground so he says oy do you hear the met wake up call the message in this story the first time you dive in and you left the abandoned natural because of the politics look what happened so he says this is a clear cut of tightness and the first thing he says is du chuva but for everything you have to have what you did because that caused this tragedy you have to have a guddle to see that that it's not just happen there are the wake up call there's a reason silverstein in a different place had a shiloh where someone stole the safety terror and he was driving driving with his bike and someone screamed yelled i guess hops him and the guy got so scared that he dropped it so the question is not have to go yesterday but to you that screen was he have to face so he says no he did it to save us so he's make them i must mention i did see the quotes this there was once a fire and some in a shul and someone ran in and he was not careful at all he was like a little reckless he grabbed the safety tire that were not an imminent danger and dropped it so the titanfall says he has to fast now what's the village calling his fashion here the person dropped to save the terror although he meant he meant well but he got to save the tire but in the previous case the guy dropped to save the so it's obviously two different cases a very painful shiloh that comes could happen when a person does hogman properly when the the cloth tore again if you don't do save a hug but properly you do it too suddenly or too wide the cloth tears that's a much more serious shia la says the marsham invasion base raised so that's much worse because tearing safety is like burning a safe attire and we should never know it but when a tifter is burned it's a shrek of hamasa many of them will make a leviatha for it and they'll mamash have a tinus with an anu like mamas like like like a terrible tragedy which it really is a what to do in your base some people make a very big levi especially if there was vandalism foul play but basically tearing saif a terror is like burning we were talking about a falling safe attire an interesting question when they said there fell in a yeshiva and if there would be gaza islands in the whole yeshiva it would cause a mass brittle tower because if there's a tiniest so there's no second saturn and once those seconds say there so knight satan is in jeopardy so pasha will say listen eat not soldiers you tell me to learn i learned tell me the fast i fast no one says i'm positive in fantasy because i want to learn so why should that be a tour in the tinus but the obvious hillary is on a tiny uv there's no excuse but the whole thing is only a call to shuver so a tightness that will cause bitter torah is hardly a call to children so lemai says some say the bakram could instead make a tiny deeper the whole day i think bachmann would rather fast than mkhitaryan is deeper but then i saw something amazing besides of ayashiv in the ashrae ishira daya sim and samar see if katana that says if it's middletown you don't have to fast i saw in the ability base ahmed fell onto the floor of mamish and there were hundreds of an attire there and there are hundreds more learning so they wrote yesterday to all of the fest what's allah with women and what's going to be if it's bitter for the entire yeshiva they're all fasting so his response was that really this what to be making only the one that caused the nephilim but he said sincere moisture is the mora the astra of america the place of america and he writes in it's true that we mentioned earlier the entirety has to fast so entire team has to fast the second question women do not have to fast which is very similar to the vehicle but the third question he says if there's bitter torah then they shouldn't fast and the sword i guess is obvious it's all to improve our ways not to cause a massive bitter type and last but not least just to talk a little bit about the program when it does happen and there is a key of tinus so we said earlier that la maisa the team has the fast winterfest is a good question the marie brunner said a big big riddish if it fell this morning and you didn't have a coffee before breakfast or fasting fast that very day i there's no cabola's tightness but boy beyond is more important than kabbalah's tightness so you see ideally he's supposed to fast that day although there's a ha go a note on the burner that says that no don't fast today because you're a mechatinus radical sinus a tiniest jacket is garnished so he says wait till tomorrow be my cable by minecraft today but i saw a list of ice cream it's more important to fast boy beyond and i guess the swara is a tragedy happen don't delay your response to tomorrow so if you could do it today do it today if the person had already ate or drank that day so you can't fast today so then the procedures are fast tomorrow but before you fast tomorrow says the min then you should be macabre tightness if you could be makable it's better than the cobble i saw a fascinating shahila which you think is is not as you don't realize how serious it is someone dropped to say phiter on shavasana thomas could he be to the tiniest with that so what's very similar to this is a person had a bad dream on on shabbos time and he faced time you're not supposed to but he did so you have to make up a tinus on sunday sunday this orbit is a tightness uh shavasana patamus so this is in the earlier the masters in yemen and other people quotes this that it's possible that you could be your to the fast on sunday both of fasting because you fasted on shabbos but others argue as you know sunday is shavasana thomas harry because you have to say because you fasted on shabbos i saw a beautiful chuva in madana young like out of sim and gimbal he says but the mice in our case you could be mako why because our case is there's a three of way beyond so if today's affairs maybe today is better and also our case is not a fear within our gemara to fast the case of shivas of fasting after shabbos tightness make it up on sunday that's a dinner and certainly last but not least the actual objective of all of this is to get the message receive the message to do chuva and that's why there there are many different pie skins that suggests suggest various forms of responses some shows they had a tiniest sebum with min with aneenu with avino volcano you look in the earlier pie skin some made a tightness they didn't land by min but they did say the ik is to receive the message base quotes a story that the once asked the the mirage angle a certain child if you have to fast in this case said no and then something else happened so they went back and says you know maybe your first talk was wrong because look something else happened maybe you were wrong we should have fasted so he says no i wasn't wrong you were wrong my sack was right your response was wrong you didn't do anything about it i told you enough to fail you have to do something and you didn't do anything about it in other words the icker is like the rambam says regarding a tightness even a tiny seba which the world brings in the beginning of the castiness the ick of a tightness is not the tiniest it's the response of chuva if you just fast without doing chuva you're doing the toefl and leaving the ikea and let us be messiah it's a well-known one of the kihili's portland oregon for many many years it was a religious community without a rav one yam kippah one of the three people holding the safety terror collapse and safety fell on the floor and people were shocked and one you'd said listen if the terror falls on the floor it's because we're not supporting tyre enough we must get a rub and the rest like they say is history they got a rav that built tequila and brought out the best of the killer that's the right approach and we're gonna have to wait khalil to somehow this happens we won't have these problems let's just cause we learned the kitsa the sugar is a fascinating sugi as you saw it's not in gemara but it's very well documented we had six or seven reasons it's true the main reason i can give this a heart state is we can't let this go by without a important response zeal busts the timer even safety falls with the monthly after fast even an inus who fasts those that were involved certainly and ideally all those that were there members you could be making but those that were there certainly should fast even concurrent management should partake members should do something if they don't have to face but something at least a zop and a hail of women and katana potter even if it falls on shabbos yum zil basa taima a person fell with the safe attire but still did not touch the ground no fast if even part of their fell on the ground or touched the ground one has to fast a person and as if they're laying on the floor who do you pick up first probably to save the torah sifter fell in the quraidesh no he have tinus the arnicardis was opened and it fell onto the ground of others or a kurdish fell down with this evitar in it is nothing of tinus steps or platform there is a tiniest bench or table or bhima it fell onto that there's no key of tinus part of it fell on the ground rolled on the ground you have to fast that's the high-end cracked or turned backwards you have to fast give hog on to those that are qualified and do the hog but properly let's say if a terror apostle there is a tree of tightness in the street those that saw it certainly should fast if it was torn or burned that's a much more serious response is needed if there's massive brittle terror you could be making only those that were involved should fast not those that were present that ideally it should be done by beyond even without a kabbalah if it's not shy be macabre it for the next day grab this some say you could wait till monday or thursday you could push it off a day or two but basically the icca is not the tiniest the icca is the response dick is to see the importance of torah and get the message i couldn't talk to you all