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A Night of Opposites - Haggadah Insights - Rabbi Yehonasan Gefen (32:04)
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take both of these take one
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okay so
uh yeah there's two
sh we're going to try and uh we not
going to go through every like verse and
passle going to try and go through some
of the ideas yod's principles to do with
the ha what we're trying to do
introduction and some of the themes that
we see going to come through the ha and
then we'll try and
uh go through some of the some of the
some of the details so the first few a
few introductory
points so firstly there's a lot of like
interesting bits in the ha like this man
he became like he got his hair became
White like 70 lots of little nice
details and it's important however all
the Bal mus the teachers of what you're
supposed to get out of these things
point out that the main thing don't get
distracted the main thing of hag is an
idea of amuna a
a building up our our belief our faith
in God and what
happened The Exodus and how it's so
relevant for us and different aspects of
our relationship with God that's really
what it is we talk about
gratitude so everything you're doing in
the in the story and all the nice things
that should always be the focus okay
number one second now this might vary
depending on who's at your s or not as
we know the
Mitzvah well let's go back M Small know
this how many mits are there on
S remember how many mits R
and okay but really just is B how many
M like
real
remember remember
I'm not answering nothing you remember
five five five so two are from the Torah
three we did this few days two are from
the Torah three from the
rabbis what's from the Torah what's from
the
rabbis three from the rabbis no Danny to
64 so get
three
anyone so mat is from the Torah howed he
went to the D Mar do a
bon four cups of wine very good Roy good
one for Roy four cups of wine and H
people forget is the ran and the other
one which is what we're here today for
is from the Torah
yeah telling the story of the leaving of
Egypt and as we know it says in the
Torah he got say to your son so we learn
that the mitvah the main Mitzvah is to
tell your
son can be pastor's daughter as well
your children so depending on how old
your children are and where you are fa
but where there are children around even
grandchildren CL IID a bit young uh even
grandchild of fries his I his son his
son is um to focus on the kids so even
though it's always good to have guests
and we even say and we talk about
everyone should come in nonetheless I've
heard many Big Rob even if they have
guests they focus on the kids and that
is the focus the focus is on bringing
out the main thing is not not only just
teaching the kids but bringing out the
Curiosity and the questions of the Kil
so that they you can then tell them the
story and they can uh build on that just
on a practical sense again everyone has
their way in different ways so to get
you especially younger kids involved
it's good to have some kind of
prizes so one year we tried giving them
like candies or G didn't work because
they kept they're busy eating it during
the S and we really realized what what
do they do you know the mles custom was
to give nuts so what's a 21st Century
Kid going to do with nuts right course
right so what we do is we give them a
you get nuts and then after they can uh
exchange it for sweets or candies or
probably money after the or whatever
candies normally um if they ask a
question they get two if they answer
they get one asking is better than
answer
okay
fine another important point is
remember a lot lot of the things we do
are to inculcate Mobility incate the
idea of malus we are like special people
that's why we lean even though we don't
feel that so special but used to be
leaning and the Beautiful table and all
you know M freedom and all these
things so we'll probably know s there's
also a big eight to Horrors around you
know you got wine you got kids you got
spillages you know I looking my old ha
there got ha Mar right it's a very big
test of mid of of being calm so always
says that the nobility most important
thing the nobility is being calm and you
know this can be hard was kids around
over tired or whatever but keeping you
know doing it in that kind of way he's
not getting frustrated and angry that's
not that's not you know it's not a high
way of noble way of
acting okay so just one thing
I
idea was just it helps to structure the
hag we know there is the structure of
kades you know the whole thing but I
think in the actual ha if you read it it
can be a bit like a bit like random why
is that thing after that thing and I'm
not answering all those questions but I
wrot like eight parts to the I'll just
say them out quickly and then we'll
we'll get
into I did number one is K and that's
really
introduction number two is man is the
question what's going on like could be P
introduction as well what's going on
number three is we sort of start but we
don't fully start weu and then we talk
about a lot of things about you know
when he's supposed to say the mitv and
the night and the day and
that's one way putting that together
just that's the details of the mitz
almost the H details there's nice
stories within that that's number three
is you start the mitah but get the
details of when you do the mitzah how
you do the mitzah number four that's the
real triple that's when you
m all the way really to hollow but I
broke it up until we get to the 10
plagues up to the 10 plagues is the
whole story of the slavery and the
leaving then you have the 10 plues Al
part of the leaving but you have the 10
ples
and Di and all these things and Hal all
those things it's a temple PL
chronologically but it's also a big more
emphasis I think on focusing on thanking
God appreciating God by we talk about is
many many details of what God did and
H and then the sud the mitzah and the
sud and then Hal even the highest level
of of
Praise one other thing with you YF
says is you know at the beginning you
start the say there's a lot going on
right you do kidish you do the washing
you do the car pass all these things and
then it goes a bit like you know the
Long Haul of the actual reading so he
says that for the younger kids who
aren't going to last longer that's the
beginning all the action and man and all
that and then they're dropping off then
you know hopefully the older kids that
can concentrate a bit more that goes to
that it's another like sort of you know
each each one depending on their kid but
like a foury old 5year old kid isn't
going to read the whole you know but you
know Le the beginning just get him
something and then the older ones
hopefully can I saw reading about how
gon did their sers that none of them
generally did very very long long long
long s because people can't concentrate
people it's hard most of the talking
about insights into the high things that
should be the meal but as you go along
little things little or you know you
know little breaks for the kids you know
who has a question or something like
that as you go along you know is is good
but you know not just for everyone's
sake not not very very over long
okay used to ask every year the same
question and that is what's the
Mitzvah there's a Mitzvah every day
connected to this what's that Mitzvah
dny it's a Mitzvah it's a mitzvah every
day to remember leaving of Egypt if you
don't know this you should know this
because you should have you should have
intent to do mitzah and you have the
intent to do this mitah when do you do
this MIT you say the sh and the third
paragraph
say you should have in mind in the
morning and the evening to do that
MIT you do MIT we should have in mind
anyway though ask what's what's the
what's different about the mids from
C what what's different about what's
more right I like interaction any
ideas it's different how how the way you
fulfill the mits for daily was supposed
to how they made the way you fulfill the
mits for for
first
firstly why do
we if I asked you before this why do
you why because it was U we left Egypt
in haste and we didn't have time bre
rise so that became a tradition which
became Mitzvah mitvah
so they explain that means that when the
cuws were slaves they used to give them
to eat because mat fills you up and it's
an easy keep thing to do but what's
going on I thought we have mat because
it's it was in the haste and it
symbolizes
Freedom yeah I thought M symbolizes
freedom but here it symbolizes poverty
yeah you hear the question what is it
what's so that's the the big the big
question here so we'll talk about that
bit we get to the other things a bit
more
min there an idea I heard
fromi why does m represent Freedom we're
in a hurry okay why does m represent
Freedom what is freedom so freedom in a
western sense is you're not in prison
you can do what you want plenty of
people that are free do what they want
are not free meaning free is in free in
yourself s not addicted to something not
you know not addicted to who work work
money food drugs alcohol who know lots
and lots of things right true Jewish
Torah said to Freedom is being
internally internally free and we say
that real freedom is connected to my
soul it connected to my Essence a body
and a soul and a lot of a lot of lack of
freedom is when I'm M I'm attached to my
body I need to eat I need to do this and
we should look after our body but fre is
going back to my pure Essence which is
really my
soul
okay what's mat
versus between and nothing really just a
bit of time
and gets bigger it fills up so in this
way the the the you say m represents
person Sal as Essence as at its base
without any
additions whereas is yeast it's risen
it's extra stuff and that's also why
you're not allowed on S and most never
but some you can but you can never have
on S you can't be to the Mitzvah with
mat Rich matzah which has juice or honey
or things like that right why on this
idea because it's additions right it's
adding something it's it's not the pure
self right the P the the freedom of
m is just the pure
Essence so on site what we're really
doing is getting back to our beginning
satanite PES is the birth of the nation
so in a sense what we're trying to do as
we know holidays is not just remembering
something it's reliving it is getting
back to our Pure essence of our Pure
Souls right that's the freedom of
M now that really isn't a contradiction
to the poverty of mar so we ask the cues
it says here that's the poor man's bread
what do you mean I thought it's the
bread of freedom is both the poor man's
bread not that you have to be poor but
the poor man's bread when a person
doesn't have anything else he only has
himself and he has his soul and the Jews
in Egypt had so nothing that they they
got they they got to base zero like
without anything and then they could
have Hashem could fill them up with the
and so on right just to flesh out this
idea of lansi said in Germany before the
when the Nazis were already there before
they knew it be a
holocaust people realized it was bad and
people left the people that found it
hardest to live with the wealthiest
people why because they had their house
they had their things that held them
back they became slave to their things a
person who looks at his car or his house
as part of him how or his money how much
what are you worth right what what are
you worth £500,000
that then then he's it's not just him
he's become a sh you become attached if
someone's car gets damaged and he feels
like he lost the limb he's attached to
it you can use it it's a good thing they
all nothing wrong with it but not to be
attached to it and nowadays very
obviously with technology and iPhones
and people you know they can't I read in
England my dad sent me a thing in
England there was a woman who got made
her iPhone waterproof so she could take
it to the shower and she actually got a
disease from her back being
bent you we laugh but look
around
H off for shabas try to make a shabas
app um yeah so p is freedom again you
know they have to be poor but the idea
of poverty is it enables you to like you
don't have anything enables you to get
back to your essence I have a very big
question on this
though because I mean firstly a point
that fits with this almost all the time
they bought
bread um or and things in the basic some
English it was it was mat you know that
it had to be unleavened had to be mat Le
had to be mat and I think that's the
same idea because in the
bikas it's that normally that same idea
of like just pure salt however one time
you you bought you bought when was the
one
time
right brought the two breads and they
were com so it's very strange I'm saying
this whole idea bread represents
addition additions bread represents
foreign additions to you that you're
attached to and PES
is as you know starts and it leads to
the whole growth process so how can it
be you from
to then you have that's the worst thing
always bother me we talk about how bad
is this that the other we have it all
year round it can't be that bad right so
the answer is it's not bad bad it's not
it's not bad to have additional things
to use as cim as vessels utensils to get
closer to God is what as we know we Jews
don't believe in you have to be poor you
have to have not eat and all these
things when it
says says eat bread and salt and live a
simple sleep on the floor and all that
most commonly say doesn't mean you have
to do that but you have to be able to do
that right so idea of of p is that's who
I
by the hope is you you get to the point
where you can represent you can use all
those additional things and you can to
elevate you can use it you can use it
for the good you're not M to you're not
attached to it anymore
understand again just why are we saying
Poor Man's bread and yet poor I said M's
Poor Man's bread and M's Freedom it's
the two together yeah if only if you
truly a level of not of poor in a
certain way you can be
free the other thing are very strange
about is like first why inviting people
in
now door's closed you started
the right we're talking about now we're
here next you will be in the land of
Israel now we're slav next year be free
men like what's going
on
so
yeah there a couple of answers I saw m
Solomon he says that really it's like
show it's not really most people say
it's not really inviting anyone in no
one's going to come now but says idea
being a noble nobleman now we're like
we're we're not slaves we're able to
invite people
in right we're you
know people of Bernstein Emanuel
Bernstein says opposite thing in in the
time of the
B you had to have a PES P you had to
have a group you had to man you had to
like appoint people in the group before
p and that was it you couldn't invite
anyone
else now we don't have to do that you
can invite someone now because you don't
have a corbon Pacer so he says that this
is talking about next will be in Israel
this is talking about we don't have the
temple and even though we we're free to
a degree from from we don't have a
temple and we're saying in a sad way
whoever can come can come because we
don't have the of
P where we're not allowed to invite
someone now you're not allowed to invite
p on P you have to do it before you have
to arrange it before so we're s and
that's why we're saying this year in
Israel next year this year slaves so
even though we're free from from from
right we're not we haven't got the full
girlly yet and we're hoping for that as
well so when we say next year um in
Israel we are hoping and praying that
we'll have the temple right so that's
other question we we're in Israel what's
the problem
is all right you know when they first
came back to some people wanted to take
out the prayers for in like Tish and
what are you talking about this isn't
how sh supposed to be this isn't Isel
supposed to be diaspora the temple right
exactly yeah look at look at the say
Isel this not how it's supposed to
be
yeah okay M turn
off you want to sing mother
no okay money turn
off
S
on who's the who's the youngest who's
the young oldest who's the
youngest
okay
um yeah okay so we know the questions so
first just okay but what's going on
what's the point and like you know why
why do we this night we
M and we have vegetables and we have Mar
and leaning and all that you ever
wondered like what's the answer to these
questions do we answer these questions
we wondered
that on other people now how do we
answer the
question why do I do all these funny
things cuz we were slaves in
Egypt no you don't know this you don't
know the whole point of the
David has answer the
questions maybe it
is
planet
thas and the Mora so really you know we
are and we we you already said about the
Leaning um we are obviously as more of
sovereignty on this time how we
answering it with
saying we were
slaves
how well when slaves we obviously
couldn't distinguish between the various
things that are in
man that's why the night oh okay oh you
say okay so I understood the simple
simple is the theme in the questions is
we're doing contradictory things on this
not in the simple we're doing different
with things but they ask you know they
ask there other things you could have
asked like the four cups of what some
things we do we m m represents freedom
right and so does leaning on the other
hand Mar represents slavery bitterness
right so one I forget who says this is
we're asking this night is a weird night
some things you we talking about being
you know freedom and with Noble now
we're talking about slavery what's going
on this a weird night it's different
from everything else one or the other
maybe but why both right contradict do
weight yeah the answer is I tell you we
do the
mar we do the mar because we were
slaves took us out this is like the
short version answer right took us out
that's why we have the other part we
have the two parts together you hear you
hear what I'm saying question
is why are we doing why are we doing sad
things and happy things and the answer
is because we were slaves that's the sad
thing and because we came out that's the
happy thing why do we need both well we
already we said one one reason because
you appreciate the good when you uh when
you talk about the bad first one aspect
of it
okay yeah right yeah
exactly you could be looking at it more
now that in in itself and that paragraph
answer the question then like I said the
the hag gets to a few details of of
things and the and the the Suns and then
it gets into the real triple of
the so actually really after we've said
say that's it we've explain it let's eat
let's go let's
see my sister does comic the comic based
on Me When We Were Young actually the
four questions in school the boy there
say what are we going to eat and the
next picture is we're not eating yet and
the third one is we ever
that's I was
like
okay the kids should eat
before yeah okay
um yeah there another nice idea
here we
say now who's good at Hebrew grammar
here Lila is a feminine word right I
wonder the grammar what should it be L
is feminine so it should be
L is masculine and is
feminine ous question why does it
say the of God is a whole like deep
answer here which I want to share with
you a bit
the Lila we not too feminist the laa the
night is normally a time of quiet what
lack of action the day is the time of
action in the t view the man is like
that the man is out he's the active one
and the woman is a more passive or
feminine is more passive
right I ask you another question
question tell me all the mitas in the
Torah that you can only fulfill in the
night Dy you hear that all the M you can
only fulfill in the
night any
ideas yeah but there's really two parts
to
it people
say but even that you can fill in the
day it's the first times it is in the
night give you
it's two
MIT do in the
night do in the night and only time you
ever do in the night is and again right
so
the says why is this night different
this night is a is masculine this night
is full of Mitzvah nights are quiet
they're feminine they're quiet they're
you know passive this night it's full of
MIT
yeah says the answer is because we got
taken out in the night lat we say it
happened in the night happened at
midnight and this is why did it happen
like this why this is one aspect of the
thing we'll talk about more maybe next
time is that the whole idea
of is turning everything on its head
like turning nature upside down breaking
the laws of nature and I was extremely
significant because that's the beginning
of the nation
the
says a seed right if you have a seed and
a tree it becomes a tree when it's a
tree if you poke it you know cut it you
don't do much the seed if you cut it you
you destroy the whole thing you do a lot
of damage the beginning the way
something develops that has a massive
effect on the rest right so the
beginning of the creation of the Jewish
people was be a defining aspect of it
and and a and a key aspect of it is that
it was what we say above the laws of
nature because that was the foundation
that the whole Jewish existence will be
above the laws of
nature right so I think one aspect of
that is had to be in the
night turning everything upside down no
manag to why is this night different why
is this night masc full of mitzvas
what's the answer CU they did it in the
night because and and with all the
Miracles it turning everything upside
down
okay
fine why do we
ask we okay to go bit further to 9:30 we
started late you okay why do we
ask about the mar before the
moral what came first the moral the
slavery the freedom of the M came second
and really the same question later with
three things you should say what does he
say what's
the so again the m is
last it should be first
yeah so
thei says you need to talk about the bad
to get to the good but it's too
depressing to start with the bad that's
one one another slightly deeper idea is
I think said this hereas is that you
appreciate the good you appreciate the
bad once you've seen the good when when
something bad's happening you know you
know great after the fact you know a lot
of difficulties we have in Life or
challenges we have in life after
everything is good then we can see oh
that's why that happened now and then
you can even appreciate the bad why it
says when something bad happens in this
world we say both diem right something
good happens we say TR says in the next
World we'll say trative on the bad
things then we'll see why they were good
so too that we're talkinging about the
slavery is when we start with the mat we
see the freedom we see that the slavery
enabled the
freedom and slavery helps us appreciate
the freedom right and one of the ways
the slavery helped us enable the freedom
is a little bit like what I was saying
before is the freedom again is not just
we got free the freedoms became hasem
the people of Hashem and we became a
nation completely above the laws of
nature why because did
everything right says we say
right he didn't make us like the what
does that mean that the nation was made
in a different way from the other
nations how's a nation made I was
reading in about the American Revolution
right you have a war you you know F
English you have a war you you know and
you take over in your place we became a
nation not in our country not in Israel
in Egypt we were slaves we didn't do
anything we became a nation right and
that was a foundation that our whole
existence is is from God as above the
laws of nature that could only happen if
we've been slaved because it could only
happen if we didn't have anything have
any power any level anything because if
we did then we could say oh you know
it's a bit from us but we can't because
we had
nothing
right yeah so that's why again deeper V
why we say the m and the mar the the the
the the the M first because then that we
appreciate them we appreciate the they
call kab it was the like a furnace
furnace that cleaned us up and it
enabled us to then go out go out of this
one okay so
that's thanu we stop there people are
tired great so we'll car we're not going
to fin we'll carry on
Sunday