Sefer Daniel: Perek 11 – The Roman Empire...We Brought it Upon Ourselves

this Tower class is brought to you by torahanytime.com I must admit that of all the novem that I've learned this is not from amongst the easier uh the easier topics very difficult but we're gonna make we're gonna try to plow through this and uh According to some of the mafoshim the upcoming the upcoming took him speak about the alliance that was made between um classical and Rome until now we've been discussing the various politics of the Greek the end of the Greek Empire Antiochus and antiochus's sister who was who Cleopatra and how after Cleopatra dies or during her lifetime Antiochus uses it as an excuse to try to uh get into um to Egypt but now we're gonna sort of According to some oppression we're continuing with the end of the Greek Empire and according to others we're moving into the uh Roman Empire now we're going to read a few books and then I want to show you the gemara in the South about this alliance between Rome and Israel okay take a look in possible in Tranquility Medina and in the bath in the Luscious part of the country yava he will come sorry chapter 11 chapter 11 that's right verse 24. oh wait a minute and tranquility and in the Lush of the land he will come be awesome that which his fathers have not done and his father's fathers in other words some of her should learn that this is a reference to antiochas and Antiochus will be able to accomplish that which his foreign [Applause] which one one of them exactly which one is is debatable we took to say which one different my first should learn different ones um presumably this is referring to your house IV okay no not the fifth Antiochus the fourth and until that's the fourth will be able to do what his forefathers had not been able to do and that is to penetrate the fortifications at the border between Egypt and Asia Egypt and Asia okay I guess from the Middle East that means bisa he will spread um he will spread among them booty and spoils and wealth ifsar he will spread and against fortresses he will concentrate his thoughts until the end of time until the time in other words he will give spoils he will spread the booty and the spoils among everyone to those who cooperate with him and against the fortresses he will concentrate his thoughts which means that Antioch has had plans he was scheming to conquer Egypt's fortresses but he didn't think it was the opportune time to attack and he waited for the most opportune time went crazy no no the yayo Kai okay he will arouse his strength and his heart against the king of the sound that's referring to Egypt now Rashi already from possible was learning that this was this is talking about the alliance that Clause Israel made with uh Rome and this is telling that Rome's expansion to the land surrounding Arts Israeli edoim and mayav and Amine and Rashi quotes to say for yosefon but according to other mafarsham this still refers to um Antiochus and we'll see in the gemara about that that um alliance between the Jewish people and Rome he will arouse his strength Negev against the King of the South the khayogada was a great Army um and the King of the South yaskara La muhammama will be provoked toward with the powerful Army very strong but he will now withstand Allah because they will devise plans against him now what is this talking about well some of us have learned that antiochas returns to Egypt after the death of Cleopatra was a sister but Cleopatra ended up marrying one of the Tomas so he at first we used that uh marriage as a pretext to try to have an in the country the people of Alexandria resisted Antiochus they did not want him to attack they did not want to give him entrance so he comes against the King of the South the King of the South at that time Southern Egypt as opposed to Northern Egypt no Egypt as opposed to Asia but yet Cleopatra was the queen dorton why would yeah but Cleopatra was the Queen of Egypt so uh her Alliance was to Egypt and not to her brother really now who was the king of Egypt at the time either Thomas the sixth who was tamai filometer or Tommy the seventh your Gators right and in that case um Antiochus is approaching until he's approaching Egypt now according to Rashi this refers to the Roman campaign against Egypt in the times of the name we're just going to read some sukim and then I'll give you some more background those who eat his food will break him he will sweep away his army and many corpses will fall fall what is this talking about the Egyptian Army will be so overwhelmed that they'll be swept away by antiochas like a flood okay now according to Rashi this refers to the Romans sweeping away the Egyptians and for the two kings their hearts will be to do harm and at one table they will speak forward but it will not succeeded because there is an end for the aladda time now what does this mean so it's brought down over here now Tioga has had a good fortune to capture taomi the sixth alive he was the heir to the throne and under the guise of being a protect now Thomas the sixth his nephew because he's Cleopatra's son so under the guise of a protective Uncle he came into the country as if he wanted to install this kid as the next king alexandrians what was he gonna do kill the kid's father okay no the kid's father I don't know if he was around but the alexandrians didn't like what um Antiochus was getting involved in in acting under under this guise of trying to protect his nephew so alexandrians crowned the younger brother Tommy the seventh maintaining the NFL examines would recognize the older tamai he would back off now what Antioch has had in mind was to cause some kind of civil war between the two tamais and then he would take over the country but he would not succeed because the two Thomas joined forces against their uncle what does it mean at the end was coming to the time aladded for antiochus's kingship okay now according to rashi rashi learns this completely different Rashi learns that we're not talking about Antiochus over here according to Rashi the two kings here are not tamai VI and tamai the seventh but instead this refers to Two Brothers and their names were porkiness and aristov and aristobulus was the hashvanoi king and aristobius was his brother and in order to succeed in struggle struggling with aristobulus perkiness commissioned the help of the Romans the Roman general's name was vampires and even though he at this time was not the king but for all practical purposes as general he represented the forces of Rome so let's read Rashi inside Rashi and possible says Roman general of the Romans and the prince of the cabinet that was said above fuforkiness was hurricane he tried to align for his helpless wish line our established was ruling over Jerusalem and quirkiness wanted the Roman help to fend off his brother aristobos overtaken yeah right correct correct to overtake him and the the Romans were only too happy to go into Israel and attack Jerusalem that's what the person says their heart was evil on the people of Yehuda and even though they sat at one table who's they the Romans and hurricane us but nevertheless um they spoke falsehood and it will not be successful in other words the Jewish Alliance was not successful with Rome because ultimately the Romans after we took them in they took over the country says there was still time in other words she says will be given over to destruction in those days there was still a 62 years of seven year periods that the uh the Corbin would come in other words 60 to 70 year Cycles yeah how long is that 24 34. what 434 yeah so the 434 had not been over yet no it doesn't mean it's 4 34 to go it means at the end of the 434 correct and when did that happen that will happen in the days of agrifas Ben agrifas from the children of jordis okay so I want to give out a sheet now just to to get an idea about the history of when the Roman Empire ascended and when when it's um overtook you shalayan at what point was the Covenant how long did the Romans keep the cabinet with the Jewish people okay yeah in other words the road the Jewish people commissioned the Romans to help them I don't know how long that Covenant lasted for all right ready yeah which I don't think you would really want to have a look at it look at the way the sheet looks okay let's see let's see tumor suck him here two more sheets yeah you don't have enough oh yeah sure okay let's just see two more seconds but y'all show you the outside he will return to his land with great wealth now if you're saying if you learn this is talking about Antiochus it means during the siege of Alexandria Antiochus return to Syria and the Posse continues Dash his heart is said to get set against the Holy Covenant but also he will achieve the shuttle outside he will return to his land what does this mean the Jew what does it mean his heart is against the Covenant of sanctity the Jewish nation which is identified with its Covenant with God so the heart of Antiochus was against the Jewish people it's brought down over here that before antiochus's campaign against Egypt there was turmoil in Jerusalem regarding the office of the in Josephus now if you want to look it up it's in Josephus a-n-t Dot you know what that stands for interior Antiquities I believe Antiquities 12 5 1. so if you're gonna go look it up in Josephus Antiquities 12-5-1 it says like this who later changed his name to onias we went to nigamara Magilla about the base conure which is the house of the Zara so the kangaro died his son was too young to succeed him his brother Yeshua then changed his name to Jason was appointed to the Post the King was very angry at Jason so he appointed the younger brother strangely also named honio and Antonio changed his name to manelos now when asiochus was an Egypt Waging War a rumor spread that the king had died so Jason who had been removed by Antiochus sees the opportunity to return and take take the reign in Jerusalem and teochas came back to shalayim and squelched Jason that's how some learn but Rashi learns differently Rashi learns this is talking about the Roman Siege against Jerusalem against excuse me um the Roman King will return from Egypt and now that Rome overtook Egypt Rome is having the makshava you know what let's break the Covenant with Eric's Israel and let's attack aretz Israel China and it will not be like in the beginning and the end what does this mean so some learn then Antioch has heard about his nephew Tomei the sixth okay the Thomases had betrayed him and joined forces with the younger brother Tommy VII returns to Egypt with a tremendous Army and then the plastic says it won't be like the first and like the last even though initially Antioch has succeeded in subjugating and subjugating Egypt but it won't be like he always did in other words the album explains he will not come like he did the first time he'll only be able to take part of the time at which point the malvin learns if you now listen at the Greek Empire the tamais in Egypt then solicited the help of the Romans against the Greeks it says in them album so the ma'am says they committed they sought out the help of the Romans and they sent a messenger to return quickly to their land and the Romans joined forces with the Greeks now but according to Rashi this is still this refers to later on in the Roman occupation let's just see Rashi lamoyed this has been the story with the about to show that he defeats well this is this is talking about after the cointarashi this is talking about after the story of Hanukkah this is talking about now the plastic says that it won't be like the first and like the last this coming of the Romans will not be successful like the first time that the northern King was successful over the southern vehicle this second time the second time also will not be like this time because the second time they came with great wealth okay this is uh hold on to the place remember up to possible Ahmed okay I want you to take a look at the ramban and uh turn over your shoes first and number two [Applause] yaakov lives in matram 17 years already mentioned earlier Imes yaakov's descent in the Triumph was a pre-enactment was the massive was a symbolism was a paradigm of our fourth Exile in the fourth monster who's the fourth monster wrong now what the rambanon goes on to explain is six parallels between yaakov going down to mitzrayim and our descent into the Roman Godless today what are they romija number one during the four colors today yeah yes why number one kibinayako of him atsum if you were to ask how did yaakov and assembly end up going to miss trying did the mitzvum come in and capture us or did we bring it upon ourselves because we sold our brother to Egypt we brought it upon ourselves we took our brother our Flesh and Blood we sold them down to that country we then had to go find him so if you want to know how did it happen we brought it on ourselves right kibana Yakov caused cause death that we should go down because of the sale of yourself I have a question about that we know the story that the brother sold but the reason that they went down to the time in the first place because who which brought the brothers okay we're getting good we're wait now the fact that Yosef was there and he was the second in command yeah that doesn't mean that the brothers had to live there if they would have discovered them they could have returned we had food and it could return territor's Israel so it was they who in my mind shows of their own to decide in other words it's not the Egyptians didn't come conquer and we were subjugated we were searching for yourself okay A B once we found him we had to stay there because we needed the food think of the food only took the food on the first that was the arrangement that was Joseph's the king that was the arrangement right so number one we brought on ourselves number two the yak of Yara sham is went down there because of the famine number three yako figured oh we have an inn in the palace we have a our brothers in the palace we have a connection that could protect us he thought to be saved through his son in the house of the one who loves the sun Yosef was like his son number four values they figured they would leave matrim when the famine is over like the plastic says we only came to sojourn in the land was quite aware of the 400 years that we were we had to spend in this life but but for the member the 400 years and the uh stopwatch hasn't stopped so he figured her government's fine maybe the ghoula hadn't come but we would you know be wandering Israel for maybe another 200 years but they figured they wouldn't be in Canaan for so long they never left we were there and we were there and we were there did we did yaakov ever leave matrium no he died in this time what left Mets Ryan his bones left let's find umeshan Viola the bones of Yahoo and the sons who ended up bringing out yasov's bones zikane paroi vasara hello greatly so number one we went down there on our own accord number two because the famine number three we weren't planning on staying number four we thought we had an end because of Yosef number five we never left number six our Dry Bones were left the time and seven when we left the nation mourned bitterly says around ban all these things will happen in this cause what are they unbelievable likewise Us in Romy vedham how did we end up under Roman subjugation you think the Romans we invited them you think the Romans didn't come and Conquer Arts Israel we made a treaty with them we're going to see a great fascinated treaty or according to rashiorkiness made the treaty but we made a treaty with them the midterm invited the Jews here is the Jews who invited the Romans okay but but simply put a country on ban the way we invited them is we went there okay we'll see let's see he says our brothers cause our coming into their hands we signed a treaty with the Romans we're gonna learn that this treaty was signed presumably at the beginning of the hashmanoi dynasty very possibly what allowed the name to Vanquish the Greeks or would allow the Romans to Vanquish the Greeks was that alliance between client Israel and Rome aguifas the king the last king of the second temple lazara he ran to them I agree fast ran to them now this presumably is a different Alliance that I'm mentioning before there was an alliance in the beginning of the hashmanai dynasty but it seems like there was another Alliance in the times of agrifas a griefest was the last king of the second base of mcdush and what ultimately brought down yerushalayim in the times of secondness of English we learned in kitten in the sugey of kamsa by kansa but what was the physical cause there was famine in the city right and we really had enough supplies within the baryone and burnt it down um and we figured okay we'll go to Rome we'll be in gullus eventually we'll come out but it just got longer and longer and longer we don't know when it's gonna end kissing Morris and Henry yeah it brings down was the beginning of the when he invited some curve okay so that was well that was uh first base stand right and he even gave samsara the gift of the doors of the that's where it started so that's that's always uh not a good idea to join forces with these this aligns with Rome was I brought our downfall now so you'll say we're in the Galas are we gonna come out we ain't coming out alive what does that mean what if Michelle come no right now we're dead right now the state of the Jewish people right now in the year five seven seven three it's like we're dead we are like dead oh you remember when we say yes our bones have dried nexx we're doomed what does this mean there's only going rights in here in the um introduction to the to excuse me the only gun rights in his commentary to the Safra that's neusa which is a kabbalistic work he writes that when the base time was destroyed it's like we died spiritually it's like we died but at least we still had the great academies we had the great Yeshiva sura pumpedusa that was like he said at least then the body was still intact at least then the body was done once we lost the academies in Bothell it's like the flesh began to rot but at least we had bones he said but then when we go in him and so forth and the later passed away even the bones began to disintegrate and now what are we says the graph now we are like we're corpse dust we have so much for breakfast around the world imagine what you've never had before compared he said compare it to what we had compared to the Rook news that we once had were like ever like corpse dust and the grass says he had all these problems with that vote Azura and it's in its genomes yeah today we don't we have a bunch of feinsteins we have a baron cutlers we have the darling of that stature you know we have the only Gardens we have night to be who does we have nothing comparative relatively speaking we're like corpse dust and the villain gun says like this when we say in tabala Shabbos so we always translate it to mean shake me off from the dust where I am I've fallen into the dust shake me off from the dust the gruff says it doesn't mean shake me off from the dust where I am shake me off from the dust that I am I am dust so that's what ramban is saying depressing I mean uh this ain't no glue this ain't no you know Rosie uh look Rosie look and it says the ramban the same way we left matsurai in Bones mashiach is going to come to a bunch of Bones but the same way when yaakov was removed from matryam they mourned when Michelle comes and the guy MC are covered and our stature and how great we are right 70 people right 70 um will grab a hold right 10 people from each of the um will grab a hold of one one corner that sits us and they're going to say teach me the truth tonight right you hear this prophecy it says 10 people from each Nation will grab a hold of the canal of your began and say teach me teach me the truth so how many nations are there seventy seven hundred to just one Corner that means every Jew will be 800. an ambassador to 2 800 gallium so when the guy MC are covered lost the love I can't be in a master to one Jew to the other we're going to be an ambassador to 2800. Gaya listen to it and what are the guy I'm gonna do what are the guy I'm gonna do when they see our covered they're gonna be mourning they're going to be morning our greatness so this is what we're looking that the ramban learns that the uh the goal is that we're in today we brought upon ourselves through through our alliance with Rome now let's learn a little bit about this Alliance this is gamara so we won't be able to see the whole thing today but if someone could mark off we're up to pasiglomet and then we'll start this Kamara and uh we'll continue it next time okay um take this is going on to test them and Olive it says that one of the eight AM of a guy in one of the guidish holidays is what we call katisum my cartoon um that the Romans grabbed sovereignty I the gamara S that's the holiday the day that the Romans took maluka but obviously khartism is different than that because we learned in Abra I said that these are two separate independent days but Tanya cartesians we learned one day is the day of karthisim and one is the day they took malcolas Rome grabbed two Rome grabbed two two days where they grab power different parts of the world two times correct be made up on him excuse me Cleopatra Marcus of the office one they took from the Greeks and one they took from Cleopatra I believe they took from the Greeks first and later on they took from Egypt they expanded to Egypt in the times of Cleopatra Amar one of dimi came he said ivani the Romans waged 32 Wars with the Greeks they cannot Prevail they cannot overcome those Greeks until they joined up until they joined up Claudia straw with them in other words the Romans were unsuccessful until they joined forces with the Jews is actually fourth with the Roman soldiers against the Greek I don't know if it means they actually you know they fought on the same battle lines but they politically they made an alliance with the Jews how did that enable a Roman to quickly overcome the groups before they'll come to that what what power does this so the gemara says they use the philosophical argument but let's take a look the gemara says what was the alliance if we'll be the Kings you'll be the governors if we'll be the Kings if you'll be the Kings we'll be the governors in other words we're going to have this Alliance one of us will be first in power the other one will be second and the Romans then sent to the Greeks until now our approach was through War Medina now we will take over your country legally they said like this margolas if you have a diamond and a precious stone which one should be the setting for his friend should the dining business be the setting or the precious don't be descending the Greek sent back Margolis avantama the diamond should be the setting for the precious stone they then sent back Evan is let's say you have a precious stone but then you have a carbuncle which is a very very precious stone which one should be a setting for its friend is the precious stone should be the setting for the carbuncle foreign the carbuncle should be the setting for the tire so the Roman said we have the safer Tyro we have the Jews so you need to be the setting you need to be subject to us in Kane they send him and we have the Torah the Israel the Jews are with us excuse me so Greek Greece then became subject to Rome now it's hard to believe that a world power would be persuaded by a gamara logic that oh yeah I think you should just you know tie your hands behind your back and come down down to us because we have the Jews the Greeks were subjugating the Jews so this had to be had to have a deeper meaning But ultimately however however it happens they had this philosophical discussion somehow at the end of Greeks to be the government yeah yeah says the gemara Sven vicious for 26 years the Romans kept their end of the bargain with the Jews and they allowed this Alliance to remain they were trustworthy to each other from that point then on is the power in Aries during these 26 years the Jews yeah you're autonomous [Music] had a certain degree of autonomy for 26 years okay so they added the self-government you know like Palestinians but it's not a real government you know that anything that you had to do the learning series consequence they would have to check with the uh people in uh in Rome well I don't know I don't I don't think the hashanoi dynasty was subject to the Romans it was a it was an equal Alliance Romans were just getting their feet wet the Greek was the world Tower of the time and uh Mr Sam next week we'll see further about this Alliance how long it lasted and what ultimately happened to this uh you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com