The 3 Weeks - Do they begin at night or with the fast? Shiur by Rabbi Nachum Scheiner from 2018

This shabas is yudas which is one of the five tanim that we have during the year. However, since it's shabas, the fast is a is mitk. It's pushed off and the fast starts Sunday morning with however besides it being shas there's another that are applicable to shasabus begins the three weeks the of the of we're going to try to be m to clarify If the denim go hand in hand with the tinus which means since the tus the fast of on a regular year starts in the morning of yudamas do the denim of the three weeks also start only in the morning or even though the time only starts in the morning when it comes to of the three weeks weddings it starts ready by night start already by night and leas and from there and from there we're also going to move on to see how the speak about this shabas if there's any applications that are to the three weeks this shabas which is First let's speak about on a regular year. The first question that we mentioned on a regular year any day of the week. When does the three weeks start? Do the three weeks start in the morning or do the three weeks start already the night before? Ramosa had this question. And somebody asked them could they make a could they make a wedding the night of Shivas the dates it starts getting pretty tight finding a hall and they want to know if they could make a wedding for whatever reason they wanted to make it leas could you make a wedding and a different shu speaks about taking a haircut shaving could you do it le shas at night which maybe the three weeks only start in the morning so Ramosa said Ramosha answered is it's if need it's not you can't go ahead and do it but if you need need be you'll make a wedding you'll take a haircut you'll shave leas the night of which in a regular year if it falls out on a let's say on a Sunday so shavas can make a wedding he bases the Every time every of the we say anu only by do you say it also the night before when the fast starts or even technically before the fast starts do you say anu the ramban says you say anu And he brings a he brings a person is not fasting and he which means he says a person's fasting and he doesn't say explains what does it mean that you're not fasting and you still say which the Raan understands means when is that that's the night before one's not fasting yet you only start fasting in the morning and still a person you say which means you say the before the fast you haven't broken your fast yet and still you you don't say that's what the says a person's fasting and even though a person's fasting you don't say anu. So it says dam you see that before the fast you say anu however draman asks we only start fasting the time only starts in the morning. So if the tinus only starts in the morning why do we say anu by night? Why do we say anu why do we say anu by night if the time is only starts in the morning? So he explains and he says like this we're going say the says you do say but we're going with the which is the rift that you say is right like I mentioned before the minig of is not to say only by but which is the says you say anenu even by night I how do you say anu by night you're not fasting yet the tus only started in the Expl. So he explains that really just like ina the night goes with the day. You don't split the night and the day it's one day even though you'll tell me you take by day by day the mitzvah by night. That's not because the Tory says to take it the first day of sukus and only by day of sukus. It's because the Tory says do it by day, eat matzah by night, but you don't find if there's a den of tiness of a certain day, why would you split the night out of the day? Well, how would you split the night out of the day? So, so he explains says they're on ban that really the fast starts already by night. But just like you find by tishov, but they were make and made it easier on people that you don't have to fast by night. You only have to start fasting in the morning. Why? How would they make? It's one full day. Since the der of people is to eat 12 hours a day, which at least maybe that used to be the der the der was to fast 12 to eat 12 hours a day. I guess from in the morning to the evening, those 12 hours a day since the der was to fast those 12 hours to eat those 12 hours a day. They made of tightness only for those 12 hours a day and not by night. And that's why the din is that if you go to sleep by night, it's brought in. If you go to sleep by night and then you wake up 2 a.m. and you want to go and have a snack before the tinus, you're not supposed to eat. The time has started already unless you make a tai before, but you're not supposed to eat. If the fast really only starts in the morning, so what's the problem? If you get up 2 am, the fast only starts in the morning. Why can't you have a snack at 2 in the morning? So the ter is because really technically the fast is by night also. The fast is by night as well. They were make to put to fast only the 12 hours but really it's by night as well. And therefore if you go to sleep a person a person shouldn't eat and therefore also the is the tinus is already by even though the garra says in tus that a person's supposed to tus as close as the tinus as possible. So if the fast only starts in the morning, why you not by? Why not? Why by before the ter is because technically the fast really in essence starts by night already. But po we don't fast. We don't start fasting till the morning. So that's the Ramban. To sum it up, the Ramban says you say anu by night. And the reason why you say anu by night is because it's a fast day. You say anu by night because it's a fast day. The balamor argues and the balamor says no the tinness only starts in the morning. So we have that's what Balamar says that you don't say anu by night but because the tinness only starts in the morning says moisha back to our question when does the three weeks start since the fast only starts shvas on a regular year the fast every year the fast only starts in the morning like the balamar since the fast only starts in the morning the three weeks also only start in the morning and he says could be even also be masim which means The Raan says that in essence the the Tina starts by night. But since the ais you don't really start fasting till the morning could be the Raan will also be Mim that when it comes to the three weeks it only starts in the morning. And even if you want to argue that the Ramban says not like that, it's a min. The three weeks is a minig. And when it comes to minig we're therefore says a person could be make to start the three weeks only in the morning just to bring out of that he ties it to the fast. When it comes to the nine days, by the nine days, the mav says it's brought in in the Mishna that those that are no to eat meat, wine in the nine days, it starts already. It starts by night. So technically, one would think the same thing should be with the of the three weeks should also start by night. But says, "No, it starts with the fast which is in the morning. Therefore, why only Why can't if we saw why can't you go ahead and make a wedding by night? One explanation could be the ala says brings the schlaw that a bala should really start fasting by night by every time a bal nephe should start fasting already by night. Therefore, if really a bal nephe should start by night, which means either because we pas like the Ramban or even the balor agrees to the bales since neph. So therefore only one could be on the of the three weeks to start only in the morning. So of the nine of the nine days if they don't I don't is that they don't hold it at 3 weeks what say I don't know so what do we have so far the by night it's mutter But says even though I say that haircuts and weddings is only there's another that's negated at three weeks and that's the says a person should not should not it doesn't say that it's but it's better a person should refrain from making a shakyu in the in in the in the three weeks. Just to zoom in in this for a moment, the mahabra says one should not make a shakyu all of the three weeks. The Goyan argues and the Goyan says you could make a Shakanu and the Taz goes somewhere in the middle and he says the Shabosim of the three weeks you could make a Shakanu and not on the weekdays which the Mish were actually pus like that Shabas you could not on the week days. So back to the ofanu the says not to make a shakanu in the three weeks says when it comes to the night of a regular year the night of which I say weddings and here but when it comes to you make au when it comes to you can make you can make au Why? Very good. asking why could you make a shanu since the whole about making a three weeks the goyan says you can make a shaku the whole three weeks and says even I'm really make like the bal so that is not so simple that you're not allowed to make a shakyanu the says you could always make aanu says for the night of you can for sure make a shanu. We're going to get into the reason why. Yes, to make, not to make. But first, let's just get to you can make a night of the safer says that even the night of you can't make a shakyanu. You cannot you cannot make says the other by night is only but just a minute a minute however a year like this year that is is is over there it's that this shabas tomorrow night it's user to make a wedding It's user to take a haircut and it's a to say it's only a year a middle of the week and we're discussing the night before that's there's a difference between a wedding and when it comes to but tomorrow night already is not is already into the three weeks and you can't not a wedding not everything's a according to argue probably very good. You want you're bringing up that maybe maybe making a wedding and a haircut would also be let's see the reason let's see the reason why we're going to explain shortly why the says you can't make and we're going to see if it's applicable a wedding also excellent that you brought up and let's talk d it up to see if he actually argues a wedding to be made on the night of Shamas the only person brothers. Let's discuss that in a minute. What's the reason why not to say and let's see if if the question is a question yet wants to know what's about other let's see the reason for we'll get to it in a minute. I first want to get to the the and then we'll go into the reasons. So we have so far that by night a wedding a haircut only says you can even do now let's move on to like this year which falls out shabas are there any that are to the three weeks that are shabas now obviously a wedding is not nea a is not nea what is yes nea so Let's see what's the den of this shabas to be able to d up the den of shakanu for this shabas. Let's first see what's the reason. What's the reason why we don't say in the three weeks the pas the reason why you don't say shakyanu in the three weeks is because of a since it's weeks of ais we're starting to be on the so you don't say however the ya just for a second before the reason of we want to know what's about the shabas. So, so far we saw already for Friday night. Tonight we saw the says that you don't say even tonight and says tonight you could say let's try to see the reason why you don't say in the three weeks if the reason is because of like we said which would come out that if ais technically would start you don't say means if the already ais starts Now shabas then you would not say all of shabas shabas by day maybe even shabas by night says it only starts in the morning asks an interesting question that's a good question about no aail shabas we'll get to that shortly also and we'll see about the other weeks but technically there is a we'll see right away asks a question asks Why don't we say this shabas thera these three of us of before in the three weeks the three of tyrus before teshov so asks the elaba a year like this year that we have four shabasa before teshov why don't we have four of tyrus on a regular year we have three of tyrus why a year like this year don't we have four of tyrus the alaba says that the ais of the three weeks only starts Sunday the ais only starts start Sunday and it continues for three weeks and our veil of the three weeks continues through next Shabas and the following Shabas and the following Shabas even on Shabas. So the following three weeks we talk say the the of the three weeks because it's of ais but ais only starts on on on Sunday. Another such a did the min by the yakis is by the three weeks they sing they sing a song a neganov a sad song for the three weeks. So the question was what should they be knowing about this shabas? This shabas is already technically it's the fourth week it's an extra week. Should you should you sing this shabas also sing? And the answer was in the chuva swarm they speak about it. The answer was is that we sing it because of a but since a only starts Sunday. So this week it's still a regular week a regular not a so what do you see from here? You see from here that only starts Sunday. So if a only starts Sunday technically what should come out is that this whole shabas you should say means if the reason not to say is because of a and a only starts Sunday you would not say you this shabas you would be able to say for sure if you make early shabas then after if you make early shabas sure it doesn't start saying with this with this the sad song for sure I'm saying even if it wouldn't be like this make early shabas. No, you're saying if you want to know if you make an early shabas this week if they would sing it if they you're saying if the minute would be to do the sad song they probably probably shouldn't do it if it's early shabas because sure it doesn't start bringing the truth is that when you make early shabas it starts already it's everything if next in two weeks from now Friday is and it's and you say when you make early shabas it's already night you don't If it's the nine days and you don't eat meat and you make early shabas, you eat meat. So it's unless you want to say that here it's the other way around because it's a so it's more not to do it. If you make early shabas, it's but it's an interesting question asking if you make early shabas that you bring it on early. Let's see the other side and we'll revisit it. The other so what do we what do we have so far? So far we have over here that if it's alis just a second if it's alis there's no ais shabas the however says that the reason why you don't say the reason why you don't say is because it's pronus it's pronius for now starting till after it's mronius and as mronius you don't say we're not happy that we made it to these days as Pronius yet you asked before about I don't know about but to say it is mom pronous says to you don't say shakanu says mom pronius so I don't know yeshua what you asked before when you make an early shabas I don't know if you start shabas early doesn't mean that shabas is sha if mom pronus already starts this coming shabas y Thomas I don't know if the early shabas brings on his Pronius earlier that's something in yeah I hear what you're saying you should not make early shabas if a tank does bring on this m pronus but says the morgan that the reason why you don't say shakanu the reason not to say shakan is because mom pronius so what would come out what would come out would come out is that if it is m pronius you should not say shakanu not tonight not tomorrow because as mronius starts your z batas and the truth of the matter is the yitz The says that this shabas one should not say he actually says but even you don't say and like we mentioned earlier explains why should you not say shabas he says the following just like every when it doesn't fall out on a shabas on a regular year when shabas falls out a regular day by night you don't say why don't you sayanu Not like what we mentioned from why don't you say the reason not to say is because even though the fast starts in the morning it's already as pron by night physically we don't fast till the morning but the pronius is already by night that's why says the that by night already not to say shak on any year so he says the same would be this shabas this shabas which is not the it's the fast is only Sunday but just like on A regular year you only start fasting in the morning but don't make a shaku by night because it's pron says the tonight tomorrow it's since you don't make that's the and the shabas not to make shakanu not to make shakanu the moan In that same se cotton that he says that the reason is because of pironius says the moan of that shabas you could make you could make this shabas we're talking about only this shabas we're not talking about other shabasim that's a discussion for itself we want to know about this shabas tonight and tomorrow could you make a shakyanu again the says you don't make a shakyanu not by night not by day and the says you do make shakanu And the reason why you make is because this man pronus only starts Sunday only starts shabas. So maybe you do make Shakanu which would come Yeshua that if this M pron starts M Shabas Sunday you definitely don't have a problem making early Shabas because there's no M pron this Shabas and therefore one could one could make a shakyanu. So we have a shabas you do say and says you don't say it's interesting the says he says you don't say shabas ever in other words this shabas is even worse even if you'll tell me the next shabosum you could make au this shabas this shabas you for sure can't say say shakanu Why is it for sure that you can't say explains the in he brings from a reason why this week is worse and he says since this week is the beginning of this mount Pronius is where it starts it's more of the peronius but since it starts now even if you're going to tell me next shabas it's okay but it starts Now you can't make a shaky. So that's the if you could make or you can't make. We saw a third the for this shabas by night you could make by day you can't. So again we have three shittas. We have the shittita that you can make tonight and tomorrow. We have the shittita of the yit of the that you cannot you cannot make not tonight and not tomorrow. And then we have the sheet of that says that tonight you could make au and tomorrow you can't make au just it says a why to split tonight and tomorrow and he says because he's a one suffic that by night any year by night he's a sad that you can make au like like this like what Raosha says he doesn't bring like what Rao says that you could make a sheanu by night and another is there's actually a few and then there's another that this shabas you can make a shak like we saw so it's a to be m by night so tonight you can make a shakanu so just to be mak what we have over here shabas. Some hold that you cannot make it at all over shabas. Some say you can make it over the whole shabas. And then there's a third cheetah that splits tonight and tomorrow. And then we also spoke about in general do the three weeks start by night or by day says you could start in the morning and that's only a wedding and a haircut. But when it comes to that you can make already you could by night you can make that these days have a good chabas. Ready?