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The 3 Weeks - Do they begin at night or with the fast? Shiur by Rabbi Nachum Scheiner from 2018
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This shabas
is yudas
which is one of the five tanim that we
have during the year.
However, since it's shabas, the fast is
a is mitk. It's pushed off and the fast
starts Sunday morning with
however besides it being shas
there's another
that are applicable to
shasabus begins the three weeks the of
the of
we're going to try to be m to clarify
If the denim
go hand in hand with the tinus which
means since the tus the fast of
on a regular year starts in the morning
of yudamas
do the denim of the three weeks also
start only in the morning or even though
the time only starts in the morning when
it comes to of the three weeks
weddings
it starts ready by night start already
by night and leas
and from there and from there we're also
going to move on to see how the speak
about this shabas if there's any
applications that are to the three weeks
this shabas
which is
First let's speak about on a regular
year. The first question that we
mentioned on a regular year
any day of the week.
When does the three weeks start? Do the
three weeks start in the morning or do
the three weeks start already the night
before?
Ramosa had this question. And somebody
asked them could they make a could they
make a wedding the night of Shivas
the dates it starts getting pretty tight
finding a hall and they want to know if
they could make a wedding for whatever
reason they wanted to make it leas
could you make a wedding
and a different shu speaks about taking
a haircut shaving could you do it le
shas at night which maybe the three
weeks only start in the morning
so Ramosa said Ramosha answered is
it's if need it's not you can't go ahead
and do it but if you need need be you'll
make a wedding you'll take a haircut
you'll shave leas the night of
which in a regular year if it falls out
on a let's say on a Sunday so shavas can
make a wedding
he bases the
Every
time every of the
we say anu only by
do you say it also the night before when
the fast starts or even technically
before the fast starts do you say anu
the ramban says you say anu
And he brings a he brings a
person is not fasting
and he
which means he says
a person's fasting
and he doesn't say
explains what does it mean that you're
not fasting and you still say
which the Raan understands means when is
that that's the night before one's not
fasting yet you only start fasting in
the morning and still a person you say
which means you say the before the fast
you haven't broken your fast yet and
still you you don't say that's what the
says
a person's fasting and even though a
person's fasting you don't say anu. So
it says dam you see that before the fast
you say anu
however draman asks
we only start fasting the time only
starts in the morning. So if the tinus
only starts in the morning why do we say
anu by night? Why do we say anu why do
we say anu by night if the time is only
starts in the morning?
So he explains and he says like this
we're going say the says you do say but
we're going with the which is the rift
that you say
is right like I mentioned before the
minig of
is not to say only by but which is the
says you say anenu even by night I how
do you say anu by night you're not
fasting yet the tus only started in the
Expl. So he explains that really just
like ina the night goes with the day.
You don't split the night and the day
it's one day even though you'll tell me
you take by day by day the mitzvah by
night. That's not because the Tory says
to take it the first day of sukus and
only by day of sukus. It's because the
Tory says do it by day, eat matzah by
night, but you don't find if there's a
den of tiness of a certain day, why
would you split the night out of the
day? Well, how would you split the night
out of the day? So, so he explains says
they're on ban that really the fast
starts already by night. But just like
you find by tishov, but they were make
and made it easier on people that you
don't have to fast by night. You only
have to start fasting in the morning.
Why? How would they make? It's one full
day. Since the der of people is to eat
12 hours a day, which at least maybe
that used to be the der the der was to
fast 12 to eat 12 hours a day. I guess
from in the morning to the evening,
those 12 hours a day since the der was
to fast those 12 hours to eat those 12
hours a day. They made of tightness only
for those 12 hours a day and not by
night.
And that's why the din is that if you go
to sleep by night, it's brought in. If
you go to sleep by night and then you
wake up 2 a.m. and you want to go and
have a snack before the tinus, you're
not supposed to eat. The time has
started already unless you make a tai
before, but you're not supposed to eat.
If the fast really only starts in the
morning, so what's the problem? If you
get up 2 am, the fast only starts in the
morning. Why can't you have a snack at 2
in the morning? So the ter is because
really technically the fast is by night
also. The fast is by night as well. They
were make to put to fast only the 12
hours but really it's by night as well.
And therefore if you go to sleep a
person a person shouldn't eat and
therefore also the is the tinus is
already by even though the garra says in
tus
that a person's supposed to tus as close
as the tinus as possible. So if the fast
only starts in the morning, why you not
by? Why not? Why by before the ter is
because technically the fast really in
essence starts by night already. But po
we don't fast. We don't start fasting
till the morning.
So that's the Ramban. To sum it up, the
Ramban says you say anu by night. And
the reason why you say anu by night is
because it's a fast day. You say anu by
night because it's a fast day.
The balamor argues and the balamor says
no the tinness only starts in the
morning. So we have that's what Balamar
says that you don't say anu by night but
because the tinness only starts in the
morning says moisha back to our question
when does the three weeks start since
the fast only starts shvas on a regular
year the fast every year the fast only
starts in the morning like the balamar
since the fast only starts in the
morning the three weeks also only start
in the morning and he says could be even
also be masim which means The Raan says
that in essence the the Tina starts by
night. But since the ais you don't
really start fasting till the morning
could be the Raan will also be Mim that
when it comes to the three weeks it only
starts in the morning. And even if you
want to argue that the Ramban says not
like that, it's a min. The three weeks
is a minig. And when it comes to minig
we're
therefore says
a person could be make to start the
three weeks only in the morning
just to bring out of that he ties it to
the fast. When it comes to the nine
days, by the nine days, the mav says
it's brought in in the Mishna that those
that are no to eat meat, wine in the
nine days, it starts already. It starts
by night. So technically, one would
think the same thing should be with the
of the three weeks should also start by
night. But says, "No, it starts with the
fast which is in the morning.
Therefore,
why only
Why can't if we saw
why can't you go ahead and make a
wedding by night?
One explanation could be the ala says
brings the schlaw that a bala should
really start fasting by night by every
time a bal nephe should start fasting
already by night. Therefore, if really a
bal nephe should start by night, which
means either because we pas like the
Ramban or even the balor agrees to the
bales since neph. So therefore only one
could be on the of
the three weeks to start only in the
morning.
So
of the nine of the nine days
if they don't I don't is that they don't
hold it at 3 weeks
what say
I don't know
so what do we have so far the by night
it's mutter
But says even though I say that haircuts
and weddings is only
there's another that's negated at three
weeks and that's the
says
a person should not should not it
doesn't say that it's but it's
better a person should refrain from
making a shakyu in the in in the in the
three weeks.
Just to zoom in in this for a moment,
the mahabra says one should not make a
shakyu all of the three weeks. The Goyan
argues and the Goyan says you could make
a Shakanu
and the Taz goes somewhere in the middle
and he says the Shabosim of the three
weeks you could make a Shakanu and not
on the weekdays which the Mish were
actually pus like that Shabas you could
not on the week days.
So back to the ofanu
the says not to make a shakanu in the
three weeks says
when it comes to the night of a regular
year the night of which I say weddings
and here
but when it comes to
you make au when it comes to
you can make you can make au
Why? Very good. asking why could you
make a shanu
since
the whole about making a three weeks the
goyan says you can make a shaku the
whole three weeks
and says even
I'm really make like the bal
so that is not so simple that you're not
allowed to make a shakyanu the says
you could always make aanu says for the
night of you can for sure make a shanu.
We're going to get into the reason why.
Yes, to make, not to make. But first,
let's just get to
you can make a night of
the
safer
says that even the night of you can't
make a shakyanu.
You cannot you cannot make
says the other by night is only
but just a minute a minute
however a year like this year that
is is is
over there it's that this shabas
tomorrow night it's user to make a
wedding It's user to take a haircut and
it's a to say
it's only a year
a middle of the week and we're
discussing the night before that's
there's a difference between a wedding
and when it comes to
but tomorrow night already is not is
already into the three weeks and you
can't not a wedding not everything's a
according to
argue
probably
very good. You want you're bringing up
that maybe
maybe making a wedding and a haircut
would also be let's see the reason let's
see the reason why we're going to
explain shortly why the says you can't
make and we're going to see if it's
applicable a wedding also excellent that
you brought up and let's talk d it up to
see if he actually argues a wedding to
be made on the night of Shamas
the only person
brothers.
Let's discuss that in a minute. What's
the reason why not to say and let's see
if if the question is a question yet
wants to know what's about other
let's see the reason for we'll get to it
in a minute. I first want to
get to the the and then we'll go into
the reasons. So we have so far that by
night a wedding a haircut only
says you can even do
now let's move on to
like this year which falls out shabas
are there any that are to the three
weeks that are shabas now obviously a
wedding is not nea a is not nea what is
yes nea
so Let's see what's the den of
this shabas
to be able to d up the den of shakanu
for this shabas. Let's first see what's
the reason. What's the reason why we
don't say
in the three weeks the pas the reason
why you don't say shakyanu in the three
weeks is because of a since it's weeks
of ais we're starting to be on the so
you don't say
however
the ya
just for a second before the reason of
we want to know what's about the shabas.
So, so far we saw already for Friday
night. Tonight we saw
the says
that you don't say even tonight and says
tonight
you could say let's try to see the
reason why you don't say in the three
weeks if the reason is because of like
we said which would come out that if ais
technically would start you don't say
means if the already ais starts
Now shabas
then you would not say all of shabas
shabas by day maybe even shabas by night
says it only starts in the morning
asks an interesting question
that's a good question about no aail
shabas we'll get to that shortly also
and we'll see about the other weeks but
technically there is a we'll see right
away asks a question asks
Why don't we say this shabas thera these
three of us of before in the three weeks
the three of tyrus before teshov so asks
the elaba a year like this year that we
have four shabasa before teshov why
don't we have four of tyrus on a regular
year we have three of tyrus why a year
like this year don't we have four of
tyrus the alaba says that the ais
of the three weeks only starts Sunday
the ais only starts start Sunday and it
continues for three weeks and our veil
of the three weeks continues through
next Shabas and the following Shabas and
the following Shabas even on Shabas. So
the following three weeks we talk say
the the of the three weeks because it's
of ais but ais only starts on on on
Sunday.
Another such a did
the min
by the yakis is by the three weeks they
sing they sing a song a neganov a sad
song for the three weeks. So the
question was what should they be knowing
about this shabas? This shabas is
already technically it's the fourth week
it's an extra week. Should you should
you sing this shabas also sing?
And the answer was in the chuva swarm
they speak about it. The answer was is
that we sing it because of a but since a
only starts Sunday. So this week it's
still a regular week a regular
not a so what do you see from here? You
see from here that only starts Sunday.
So if a only starts Sunday technically
what should come out is that this whole
shabas you should say means if the
reason not to say is because of a and a
only starts Sunday you would not say you
this shabas you would be able to say for
sure if you make early shabas then after
if you make early shabas sure it doesn't
start
saying with this with this the sad song
for sure I'm saying even if it wouldn't
be like this make early shabas.
No, you're saying if you want to know if
you make an early shabas this week if
they would sing it if they you're saying
if the minute would be to do the sad
song they probably probably shouldn't do
it if it's early shabas because sure it
doesn't start
bringing the truth is that when you make
early shabas it starts already it's
everything if next in two weeks from now
Friday is
and it's and you say when you make early
shabas it's already night you don't
If it's the nine days and you don't eat
meat and you make early shabas, you eat
meat. So it's unless you want to say
that here it's the other way around
because it's a so it's more not to do
it. If you make early shabas, it's but
it's an interesting question asking if
you make early shabas that you bring it
on early. Let's see the other side and
we'll revisit it. The other so what do
we what do we have so far? So far we
have over here that if it's alis just a
second if it's alis there's no ais
shabas the however says that the reason
why you don't say the reason why you
don't say is because it's pronus it's
pronius for now starting till after it's
mronius and as mronius you don't say
we're not happy that we made it to these
days as Pronius yet you asked before
about
I don't know about but to say
it is mom pronous says to you don't say
shakanu says mom pronius so I don't know
yeshua what you asked before when you
make an early shabas I don't know if you
start shabas early doesn't mean that
shabas is sha if mom pronus already
starts this coming shabas y Thomas I
don't know if the early shabas brings on
his Pronius earlier that's something in
yeah I hear what you're saying you
should not make early shabas if a tank
does bring on this m pronus but says the
morgan that the reason why you don't say
shakanu the reason not to say shakan is
because mom pronius
so what would come out what would come
out would come out is that if it is m
pronius you should not say shakanu not
tonight not tomorrow because as mronius
starts your z batas
and the truth of the matter is the yitz
The says that this shabas one should not
say he actually says but even
you don't say and like we mentioned
earlier
explains why should you not say shabas
he says the following just like every
when it doesn't fall out on a shabas on
a regular year when shabas falls out a
regular day by night you don't say why
don't you sayanu
Not like what we mentioned from why
don't you say the reason not to say is
because even though the fast starts in
the morning it's already as pron by
night physically we don't fast till the
morning but the pronius is already by
night that's why says the that by night
already not to say shak on any year so
he says the same would be this shabas
this shabas which is not the it's the
fast is only Sunday but just like on A
regular year you only start fasting in
the morning but don't make a shaku by
night because it's pron says the tonight
tomorrow
it's
since you don't make
that's the
and the
shabas not to make shakanu not to make
shakanu
the
moan
In that same se cotton that he says that
the reason is because of pironius
says the moan of that shabas you could
make
you could make this shabas we're talking
about only this shabas we're not talking
about other shabasim that's a discussion
for itself we want to know about this
shabas tonight and tomorrow could you
make a shakyanu again the says you don't
make a shakyanu not by night not by day
and the says you do make shakanu
And the reason why you make
is because this man pronus only starts
Sunday
only starts shabas. So maybe you do make
Shakanu
which would come Yeshua that if this M
pron starts M Shabas Sunday you
definitely don't have a problem making
early Shabas because there's no M pron
this Shabas and therefore one could one
could make a shakyanu.
So we have a
shabas you do say
and says you don't say it's interesting
the says
he says you don't say shabas ever
in other words this shabas is even worse
even if you'll tell me the next shabosum
you could make au this shabas
this shabas you for sure can't say say
shakanu
Why is it for sure that you can't say
explains the
in he brings from
a reason why this week is worse and he
says since this week is the beginning of
this mount Pronius is where it starts
it's more
of the peronius but since it starts now
even if you're going to tell me next
shabas it's okay but it starts Now you
can't make a shaky.
So that's the if you could make or you
can't make. We saw a third the
for this shabas by night you could make
by day you can't. So again we have three
shittas. We have the shittita
that you can make tonight and tomorrow.
We have the shittita of the yit of the
that you cannot you cannot make not
tonight and not tomorrow. And then we
have the sheet of that says that tonight
you could make au
and tomorrow you can't make au
just
it says a why to split tonight and
tomorrow and he says because he's a
one suffic
that by night any year by night he's a
sad that you can make au like like this
like what Raosha says he doesn't bring
like what Rao says that you could make a
sheanu by night
and another is
there's actually a few
and then there's another that
this shabas you can make a shak like we
saw so it's a to be m by night
so tonight you can make a shakanu so
just to be mak what we have over here
shabas. Some hold that you cannot make
it at all over shabas. Some say you can
make it over the whole shabas. And then
there's a third cheetah that splits
tonight and tomorrow. And then we also
spoke about in general do the three
weeks start by night or by day says
you could start in the morning and
that's only a wedding and a haircut. But
when it comes to that you can make
already you could by night you can make
that these days
have a good chabas. Ready?