A Taste of Lomdus: Mitzva Habah B'aveira - The Chiddush of the Minchas Chinuch

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so you know it's it's not just a school or not to steal how a value it should just be a school if it was a school or not to steal then maybe people take it seriously but stealing is a is Sir and Sinister it's a Mitzvah and how could you be going to say the Mitzvah of sukis so why do I need the possible the plastic is extra it's extraneous it's Superfluous it is not needed we know a stolen asteroid on the second day of yamtif is Paso foreign of course you can be guided with the stolen s-rank but right because it says you have to own it but what about on the second day the gamara says on the second day you're not yet because so the question then is why do I need a possible because I get the question sensors it's only Midge only absolutely and therefore I need Apostle to say it's even puzzle midi Raisa that is the answer of tysus by the way the ritva just to point out so you should be aware it gives a different turrets the RIT for brings uh in the name of the US xiaomi that mitzvah hababira does not apply by the midst of sukkah why not says the ritva and the written it's not our tices but it's ayat Isis says the ritva that only applies by amitsa that you're coming to appease Hashem in other words there are different types of Mitzvahs some isos it's just a dry act like put on fill in put on um a Talus learn Tyra or you're just performing the Mitzvah and then you get credit for it so then Mitzvah baber is not a problem when is a problem when the Mitzvah has a specific goal what's the goal of the Mitzvah to try to appease Hashem to try to persuade Hashem and get on hashem's good side what midsource are you trying to appease Hashem and get on hashem's good side for example carbon oil why would a person bring a carbon oil let's say a person missed a Mitzvah the Eraser person was Nevada so you do chuva so you get off the hook for the Mitzvah but it's still Hashem is not happy with you so how are you muratsa Hashem how do you get back on hashem's good side you bring a carbonyla ah if that Eula is a stolen then the oiler cannot accomplish its intended goal that's Amit sahababera but if it's not something like a carbon oil or another example says the ritva in the name of tysus right Lula vanessberg why do we shake a little Vanessa right not just to perform the midst of dire Isa but the gemara says that what's unique about a rule of an asteroid is that alula of an asteroid and Hadas they grow on rainwater they cannot subsist on subside on on irrigated water they need they need rain water so what you do is you're serving Hashem with items that need the rain as a way of trying to appease Hashem to make it rain so that means the purpose of the midst of the daladminum is not just to perform the Mitzvah but you're trying to elicit a certain response from Hashem so whenever amitsa is coming to the maratha then UK you'll never be murats Hashem you will not be able to appease Hashem if it's a stolen a stolen item but if you're just performing a Mitzvah like Suka liked fill in then there's no soul and therefore you need the possible this is the answer that the ritwa gives in the name of tysus La maiso the ritva rejects it based on the you xiaomi that the usami says that you're not mikhayam the Mitzvah of matzah with stolen matzah matzah is not coming to be muratsa Hashem so you see from the usami that mitsahaba bavira applies to all Mitzvahs in fact the usami learns it out from a pasok of Ayla hamidstv that you better do a Mitzvah the correct way and if you don't it's not a Mitzvah be it as you see applies to all mitzvah let's come back to the ranch let's just make things clear let's Chaser Over Texas this is kasha says Kasha is why do I need a possible that a stolen sukha is not good of course the stolen Suka is not good Mitzvah babera what answer does toy Swiss give Miss and I need the Posse La Mesa if you look entices says Nacho Tyson says we're up the creek without a paddle why because if Mr hababira Isa why do I need a possible no the gemara says it comes to teach me that is puzzle so you can't you can't argue on the gemara so why do I need a pasta that is now interestingly if you look in Texas on daf lamid why because toister says if you have a lulav of anashiro tree or of an iranidas what's the national tree you have a alulab that uh of a tree that people worshiped Zara or if you have a Lula of that has both of these love him need to be destroyed could you be I'd say the Mitzvah with these who love him so gamara says no why the sheer has been diminished meaning since you need to destroy it and burn it and obliterate it it's as if you've already done that and it doesn't have the correct share fractis why do I need a possock why do I of course you can't use these and I share a tree it's mitzvah babira now yeah what's the Avira yeah yeah so now we're back to Texas ptosis's question is why do I need a password to tell me that is possible because don't say that is namely namely tysus and sukha and daflamid and this is the Marsha points out Jose a rather revolutionary answer a famous answer and it's a good thing that you came today to hear the answer okay everyone with me you're gonna stay over the answer and he says over a very interesting thing there are two types Mitzvah number one is here you have a guy it's Friday morning November 10th November 10th 2017 and the guy wakes up in the morning he says I'm so tired my uh I couldn't sleep the whole night I was smelling the troll and it was keeping me up I was so excited to I was so excited to early Friday night I couldn't sleep the whole night and the guy doesn't sleep though and he says you know what he wakes up in the morning I'm so tired I'm not wearing filling today so let's say a guy doesn't put on fill in one day what is he he certainly did not fulfill the rod sign of Hashem but did he do an Avera the answer is obviously he did an outright of era why because it's not the discretionary to put on fill in you're obligated to do you're obligated to um where it's filling you were movatel the will of Hashem God's will as you put on fill in and you win against it you went against this and now beard albeit you went against Hashem passively you didn't act against Hashem but your passive Behavior was a flagrant violation of the will of Hashem you are Movado yeah but that has nothing to do with the Avera the Avira is not doing it that Vera is not doing it so you are movatel the rot sign of Hashem you went against Hashem and therefore you will be punished fine that is or let's say um I'm not gonna I I choose not to take a look at what are you in a Varian you went against you did it passively but you won against but what for example is a guy says you know what I'm not in the mood to wear a four cornered garment today what is he he's nothing he chose not to be mikaima Mitzvah you're not obligated to put on a four corner garment you're only obligated that if you're wearing a four corner garment you better put strings on it but if you choose not to wear a four corner garment you're not going against the will of Hashem now that's not really true that since the Min hug in Claudia Israel is to go out of one's way to we are a four corner garment that's a Minogue Israel it's like a Nether and you have to do it but let's say going back a thousand years ago if somebody would not put on a four corner garment one morning what would they be they'd be what you call an average Joe sorry you know an average Uncle an average uh Fievel you know we'll have to pick a name that nobody's name an average an average uh Peter no you're an average guy because look certainly it would be very nice for you to put yourself in a situation to be makayem a Mitzvah and that is certainly the Tara but if you don't you're not a bad guy so what do we see from here there are two kinds of Mitzvahs and their miso is everyone's obligated is somewhat discretionary continues what about if a person says you know what I don't want to sit in the sukkah now like this if you're gonna eat out of the sukha you're a flagrant Violator if you're gonna eat out of the sukha you're a flagrant Violator what if a guy says you know what but I'm not going to eat I don't want to eat I'm gonna or I'm gonna eat jelly beans for the whole circus and therefore I'm not obligated to go into the sukkah red jelly beans yellow jelly beans purple I always wanted to be right like Ronald Reagan and I'm gonna eat jelly beans for eight days straight what is he what is it yeah what is he they're about the first 90 different huh you tell me well on the after the first night there's no obligation to inasaka you could just not eat if you eat you better do it in the sukkah but I could choose not to eat so if I eat jelly beans for the last seven days of sukis so then I am not in avarian I'm just choosing not to go out of my way to be my Mitzvah of Yeshiva basuka but what about on the first night on the first night it's not discretionary it's not up to you well whether you're hungry or not even if you're not hungry we learn how to test Clemente is the same way you have to eat matzo the first night of to eat bread and eat in the Sook on the first night of circus Thursday no you're not first day is nothing first day is nothing no no so I'm not Makai in the midst of the suda but I'm not blowing the Mitzvah of sukkah so what do we see from here there are two elements of the midst of sukkah there's a mits which is the first night and there's a mitza after the first night let's deal with the following issue what if this guy oh so it's it's this is kiyumis I don't have to wear scissors I could choose not to wear a bag of dollar convice however I have to wear it fill in but what if I put on Donald convois and I don't put strings on it what's that because I put myself in the situation and now I'm not being Makai in the mitzvah thank you sometimes you could do a mitzvah and be Makai in the rasan Hashem sometimes I cannot be Makai limits and I'm not violating the Western Hashem and sometimes I am here's an amazing thing let's say this guy who stole Asuka you stole someone stuck up and it's the second day of yamta the third day of yamtif the fourth day of yamdef the fifth day of yamtif and he's sitting in a stolen sukkah is he an avarian he's eating in a stolen sukkah he's eating in a stolen sukkah is so timeout there and then he's eating in a circle that he can't be taking the time the Mitzvah you should be in a varia if it's the first night of circus and he eats in a stolen sukkah what is he he's for sure nadarian why because on the first night of circus it's not only that if you're in a if you're eating you better do it in Asuka you must go out of your way to eat in the sukkah so the first night of circus if you're eating in a stolen sukkah not only do you not get the Mitzvah of sitting in the sukkah you're on your navarion why why are you navarion because I have to eat in Asuka and I'm not getting credit for the midst of eating in the sukkah because I stole the sukkah but after the first night listen carefully after the first night on the second night the third night the fourth night the fifth night the sixth night the seventh night if I'm eating in a stolen sukkah what am I so the answer is that if it would just be miss sahababs you know says that I am not going to get credited for the Mitzvah of sitting in the sukkah if it's a stolen sucker fine so I won't get credit for it so what am I now I'm an average Joe why I'm an average dog no he's not me it's a stolen soccer and you're not kind of just with gazelle and yes you need to know okay but if a guy sits in a stolen suck on day two three four five six seven and eight what is he he's none of Aryan I but what do you mean he's eating okay you're at a meeting but you're not Makai in the midst of Suka so I don't have to even kind of Miss on sukkah you aren't you eating an amokum that's awesome to you one second what do you mean you're right I'm not eat there I'm not allowed to eat there but I'm not a Varian so it's also to you why aren't you an environment no because what do you want me to do what am I doing wrong foreign that I don't get credit for the Mitzvah fine so don't get careful I don't have to get credit for the midst on day two three four five six seven and eight all I have to do is that I'm not allowed to eat out of Asuka I'm not eating out of Asuka I'm eating in Asuka LMI I have to be makayam the Mitzvah I don't have to be Makai in the midst on day two through eight it's just I don't get credit for it therefore says I need the pasok because Apostle comes along and says that that khaga Suka it's not a sukkah oh if it's not a sukkah now I'm eating and it's not in Asuka had it just been I would be eating in Asuka I but I have to get credit for it I don't have to get because there's no obligation to get credit for the mitza after day one on day one I don't need a possum because then they want to have to get credit for the Mitzvah and Miss says I'm not my Mitzvah I'm an avarian on day one saitaka Donita for day one but on day two through eight then all I need to do is so just because it's stolen doesn't mean it's not a sukkah stolen just makes it I don't get credit I'm not obligated to get credit after day one no it's still a hefts of the sukkah it's just the gavros namakaya in the midsole so guys I don't have to Gover it doesn't have to be makayama Mitzvah after they too but somebody else comes in there and doesn't know that it's stolen about the mechanism that's what I'm saying um according to what we're saying yeah yeah the other guy could go in it because it's it's a kosher sukkah it's just the guy who stole it can't get credit for the mitza because he stole it also according in other words we're basically clearing a Shakira doesn't make it that it's not a sukkah or does it just make it that you can't get credit for the mitzvah the the the family could eat there so where them is just that since Hashem is not happy with what you did you can't get credit for the mitza but still a kosher Suka to the point where on day two I'm not navarion but I'm eating out of Asuka no you're eating in a kosher sukkah I'm eating Ina kosher I'm eating in a kosher so I just can't get credit for it so on day one I'm obligated to get credit for the Mitzvah after day one I'm not obligated to get credit for the mitzvah no no no it is a kosher no that that's the rule says if your performance of a Mitzvah came through the act of a sin Hashem cannot accrue um you can't get credit for the Mitzvah but it doesn't say it's not a kosher Suka what's possible about the sukkah the circus potion the guy's not right the guy's not kosher what about it first night you don't get credit now still you could ask how could he say that the other days of circus question let's say I eat out of Asuka on sukkas let's say I eat a salami sandwich on day two out of the sukkah am I violating bukumba assay or am I violating in other words a guy who doesn't wear its villain is violating beshev al-tasa is a guy who eats out of Asuka does he have a um to actively go into the sukkah or is it just that you're now to eat out of the sukkah foreign because I'm not doing that now if I ever to go into the sukkah I'm not fulfilling that here I'm obligated to go into Asuka and I'm not doing that because this stuff is not going to work for me it's just Usher to eat out of the sukkah okay but I don't want to get into that now let's let's I want to isolate what uh um the just the straightforward explanation is coming to answer Texas is why do I need a puzzle that that um the answer the Memphis is very clear that for day one I don't need a pasok why because merely the fact that I don't get cleared for the Mitzvah would render me in avarian because I have to get credit for them it's on the first night but subsequent to the first night where I'm not obligated to get credit then had it just been from it's era then I wouldn't be navarion I would just not be being mikaima Misa comes puzzle I'm not eating in the Suka I'm eating out of Asuka had it just been I'd be eating in Asuka I just can't get credit for it says puzzle okay fine scarp in the Sharia does not like them in first of all he feels that you have a positive to go into the sukkah but besides that says of shiman is not just that the guy does not get credit for the mitzvah is the item is possum it's a disqualified item and therefore you're an avarian even after the first day why if someone's God brings the following Raya the gemara and sukhand aflam it says that why is apostle it's possible because it's says in Malachi by carbon oil and don't bring a carbon Island that's stolen or sick says stolen is like a just like a there's no takana can't bring an animal that's a so too stolen there's no takana why because so listen carefully the gamara learns out why is a stolen asterisk no good stealing is like just like is not good stolen is not good when you bring a carbon oil which is crippled is it just you don't get credit for it no it's an inherent disqualification with the animal the animal is inherently disqualified as a carbonyl law so too if it's stolen it's not just you don't get credit for it it's inherently flawed from here it says no and then it would be for everyone yeah now if it's possible bad some questions no no because you the guy can't answer something you can't answer my thing on me we could answer on someone else yeah the circle is a crippled sucker it's a sister yeah it's not a sukkah it's not a sukkah and therefore the um in his opinion is not correct because wants to say the reason why I need a passage for sukugzula is because otherwise on day two I would not be an avarian because it only disqualifies the the Fulfillment but it's still Ahsoka no I have arrived from the commander flame is yeah and therefore the uh um that we're still up the creek without a paddle why do I need a password typically that it's a there's a theoretical question let's say there were two circus in town one was stolen and one was puzzled what do you do option number three don't sit in a circle which would be the last that you do well according to minhaskar you're better okay except for the person who owns facilities right okay so now let me share with you is still kosher we already pointed out that enough Camino would be what about somebody else sitting in the sukkah somebody else would be able to sit in the sukkah I'm going to tell you no even if he knows it's not inherently disqualified um let me just tell you another nafka Mina this is the end this is enough coming up is a very interesting afghamina how much pasta first how much stolen how much do you need foreign then you lose that wall no because now it's above now it's more than the sheer uh of deifin Akuma if it's more than for amoxicism okay what if you have two amoists of hustles of metal and two Amos of stolen okay and two hours of what would you say [Music] with it so I have two elements of pastels and to Amos of kosher I just can't be my kind of missile with it so I don't need to be convinced with it I have 50 on myself kosher but now that the Torah says that's stolen now the hosuka is pasta that's that's enough Kamina that kind would say why I need the possible because had it just been from the circle would be kosher because I only have two Amish Apostle stop comes and it says the stolen is what Paso I we're gonna try to answer the Kasha on okay well we'll do two more minutes I'm gonna try to answer the question again with shiman's Kasha is wait a second to say that is is an inherent disqualification just like piseach let's go back to that choices that the Ritzville Court had do you remember the Ritz recorded at Isis that now doesn't apply by sukkah because the sukkah is not coming loratz ice we only say Miss by Ola which is balorazzo but not by sukkah that was the answer the ritual quoted from Texas and The Roots were rejected it why because you xiaomi says replies even by matzah and we learned it out from ailah replies so therefore that must be the Ritz versus tices is wrong applies Maybe we'll we'll flesh us down more next time one second yes you have Araya the Misa replies for example matzah but maybe the mitsahaba baver that applies by only by all mitzvahs is where the person just doesn't fulfill the mitzvah I the gemara says that if you steal a Lula of it's inherently the Heifetz is only puzzle when it's balorazzois but if it's not balorazzo is there's still but only on the gabra mamela when you're dealing with the midst of sukha which is sukha is like matzo Avada there's because we learn afromat so there's but what type of is by is there by all midwives there's only a miserable that says the guy doesn't fulfill the Mitzvah iberra is but it was not balorazzo is kosher it's just the guy oh so I need the password I'll spell this out clearer next time okay but we would say you have naraya we have no Raya okay we'll we'll flush this out more 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