Rabbi Yitzchok Adlerstein Esav Who?

[Music] thank you all for coming it's a great thrill to be here - hurry Union I want them to sing a number of more than familiar faces back from the old days and some with some new friends you're helping me transition from being a spiritual consumer this wonderful wonderful country of ours to perhaps beginning to be a spiritual producer as well so thank you for the opportunity many of you don't know who I am although some of you probably see a faint length of recognition I was opposed to boy for America's Most Wanted for a couple of decades and has something to do with my running here actually it's it's not Interpol who's after me but some other people we're not going to go into that right now I have worked with the Simon Wiesenthal Center and associate institutions for four decades I came to Los Angeles straight out of coal oil so we'll give a sheared in an academic institution Rigler so I first tell me then there eventually I got shifted to the Simon Wiesenthal side Simon Wiesenthal Center is the largest huge membership group in North America with over 400,000 paying families a stressed paying that accounts a lot in the Jewish world and we worked for four decades as as influence peddlers originally we were into Holocaust more realization and protecting survivors but that that shifted that shifted decades leading human rights organization with standing in the European Parliament and the South American Parliament and capitals around the world in state government local government international government NGOs United Nations I say it's not to brag so much as to show the complexity of life today if you're trying to do things for the Jewish people used to be in the old days you know you live in New York so yeah if you own three congressmen and a half a senator and you're okay and then you have his name in the state assembly you got to get these wrapped up and if you could throw in one one Cardinal you a friendly with that's it you and all of my boy you've got it it's that's no longer the case today to be of influence in the in a very rapidly changing the world you have to have standing in all kinds of different places which is really part of what we're going to talk about if you come and start getting nervous well who does all these things and where do we what do we find the people to help us well then you're ahead of the game because you're figuring out but some of this is going to lead to my particular role at the Wiesenthal Center is really twofold I do a good deal of writing together with my my colleague really my boss by Abraham Cooper the associate dean of the of the center and the charge of interfaith affairs we try to call it really multi-faith affairs and make the differentiation we're not into the old ecumenical stuff of well you believe in one god we believe in three guys why don't we split the difference and we'll all sing song you know kumbaya together that's that's not the kind of stuff that we do we try to build on the power of faith to get things done when they should be done for the Jewish people and if you return if you can figure out that it doesn't work unless you're ready to reciprocate and we stand ready to reciprocate in some pretty strange places I will admit that it's a great job for somebody who's passive-aggressive because half of my job is to find friends for the Jewish people and half of my job is to find the bad guys and make life miserable for them and we do a pretty good job at that too it more for that in the future so did you hear the one about the anti-semite back in Eastern Europe stupid question we need everybody well then this is one guy in this little town who was just known to be over the top the worst anti-semite around and one day he kind of surprised his family he came back home from the doctor's visit and he announced that the doctor said that he had a better year to live and he's going to mend his ways he wants to convert to Judaism all the rabbi so they try to get the rabbi to come down that's a good thought there's no fool ever walk out of a guy's house again but they prevail upon him they insist okay guys turning over in the blink is a man how do you say no the rabbi comes he listens to the guy he seems to be sincere he works with him for about 11 months comes a couple of times a week learns with him till he's finally ready to take the plunge Hank's him to the mikveh comes back and in a few days later he falls too into his deathbed he's a dying man surrounded by his family he looks up at the heavens with a look of utter serenity on his face smiling and his last words as his soul departs his body thank God one less Jew in the world [Laughter] so that wretchedly that kind of sums up what we thought of them thought of us for lots of people and trash Banaszak jews from hundreds of years it's it's a bit of mix of an extreme but not that much our experience with the non-jewish world was miserable in the Sparta quelled it was almost miserable people make too much of how much better it was an aspartic world it was better but it depends on the time it depends on the country and I remember paying a typical a couple of years ago to a colleague in in Los Angeles who was the son of the chief rabbi of Tehran he remembers as a child visiting his grandfather who had a carpet factory he used to learn in a lot he sat there learning the whole time he used to come down regularly and see what the workers were doing but he said every community around were was beset by people who were Muslims of Jewish ancestry forced conference over this of the video over the last century it's it's not it's not a pretty picture question is have things changed so the two sides that are going at each other there are people who argue well you know some things have changed after World War two every American Church really every Western Church announced the new attitude towards Jews the Catholics put teeth into it catholics change very very very slowly but when they change because they're hierarchical because there's a power structure that change meaning something not every Catholic anti-semite suddenly changed his stripes the Catholic schools stop teaching anti-semitism they started teaching about the Holocaust they started a teaching positive things about Israel there are circles around in which liberal circles where if you Catholic you just haven't made it unless you do a Pesach Seder there's an ongoing controversy Jews and Catholics whether it's appropriate for Catholics who can't find the Jewish Seder to go to to do a Catholic Jewish Seder just to have the experience so some people think that that things have changed and then this is the personal experiences that we have the joke that I told sounds funny but it doesn't resonate with the experience that many of us have with trusted friends and colleagues for decades sometimes multi-generational is something going on that's different or we just you know speaking to the wrong people so some people think that well they're a sizable number of people who have changed and maybe we have to change as well and then there's the other side how many Orthodox Jews does it take to change a light bulb change you know hell no we won't go had a good thing to say I'm not going to I'm not going to either we could we could go back into history a long time ago and read about John Chrysostom fourth century one of the early church fathers oh the guy had a wedding he was called the golden tongue because he really did have a way with words you know sometimes we we are a little a little irritated by some of our friends but we would never come up with language like the most miserable of all men lustful rapacious greedy perfidious bandits inveterate murderers destroyers men possessed by the devil debauchery and coronis have given them the manners of the pig and the lusty goat pests of the universe they have surpassed the ferocity of wild beasts for they murder their offspring I guess they went through the same now this morning after show but now this is a strong stuff that people devoured this suffer for centuries this is a tip of the iceberg and then we have you know in Milan times yeah we just we just passed yo my show how many stories that we have to tell but one that's probably the most meaningful to me is that in the club if I smuggle as you know jump the train to Auschwitz clawed his way out of the box car got out basically survived the one dry and died of a broken heart of the memories of the Jewish people that wouldn't listen to him but at one point he succeeded in getting a meeting with a a Vatican representative in Romania that way he was trying to arrange for protection just for some children justice some children and he was turned down and this is what the fellow said the papal representative in Romania being Sunday neither I nor Father - so concern ourselves with profane Affairs so we're gonna Colbert Vice month old challenged and profane affairs were taught them at the lives of 10,000 children innocent children is the death of innocent children profane the response was there is no innocent blood of Jewish children in the world all Jewish blood is guilty you must die this is the punishment that has been awaiting you for that sit now where are people that have made memory a mitzvah it's hard to shake this stuff loose no matter what you see so there is room for an ongoing debate I have my bias which not necessarily because it's what I do for a living you know you can do something for a living and that's just what you have to do it happens to be that I actually believe it but you know you you know I was biased before you got here but I can certainly understand the other side now why is it important that we talked about this I've got it down to two practical issues and one theoretical issue the two practical issues one of them I called friends allies and enemies sneaky I can call it three issues okay that way you think that we're coming to an end whenever that's okay friends friends we're coming up on on yo mas what I hope some of you are taking advantage of a marvelous service that's offered I think the name of the organization is told up Easter L in the five days before y'all mats what they're sending one video out a day it's a good way to get into the spirit of things to understand what a wonderful wonderful thing I could have Sparky did for us and giving us back our country so I just watched the first segment today one of the things that was mentioned was it was about the the vote that you would vote in in fall of 1947 and the people who worked on it so they mentioned that Haiti was one of the swing votes and they were undecided and they were trying very hard who did they send to the President of Haiti and it worked it was a pastor Protestant pastor you know that a couple of weeks ago couple months ago by now president trauma announced that he's moving the consulate the embassy here to alighting from what I hear from very very highly placed source is actually evangelical circles of people closest to the president at the moment that thing is still on that may change with the contrary to what people are saying that they'd is still calendared the the folks that that convinced Harry Truman the science and his partner who were the ones who were making all the phone calls for the White House Harry Truman didn't even win the Jewish vote in New York after the recognize the State of Israel but evangelical Christians and what at that time wasn't just evangelicals it was lots and lots of Christians and APEC does great work they should continue to do great work but it pales in comparison just numerically with the support we've gotten for seven decades from Christian communities this is so important to us I would think and we need a couple of hours to describe to you what's going on and how crucial it is all I can tell you is circles that you would not believe I'm talking about like right-wing crazy surveys that I for Channel I have access to them and they grew up in that oh yeah people have told me yes but go ahead full steam ahead in with you this is Cana for the Jewish people we cannot afford to lose their friendship the people are closest to Trump right now are are you had Jellico's no good a couple of them personally and work with them and when after the president announced that he's moving the embassy to a call that there was one Central American country that said Nieto we did also see ok money from the United States and that's the guitar this is a country that in the last decade like several other countries was taken over by evangelical leadership they had nothing to do excuse but they wanted to do this purely on religious grounds we need all the friends that we can get even people are not friends we need allies now it's not the same thing as a friend they're people who don't agree with each other about anything don't even like each other too much but agree that they can work on a comment on the comment on the comment agenda we've been doing that in the United States especially in the in in New York for decades issues like aid to schools busing and the flyff issues didn't mean that though necessarily the players like each other yeah you find common cause right wrong it doesn't work anyone I'll tell you why doesn't working well the model of course works but one thing has changed imperceptibly to most people but it's real unfortunately it is really real it used to be in the in the era of the this mythical melting pot of America like everybody everybody saying that knitting is cool and great you might do business unlike my business everybody respects everybody else and Jews could fly under the radar it didn't matter what they were doing as long as it was legal my and it didn't matter what their attitudes were or towards their neighbors all that has changed all that has changed forever because today everybody has access to the biggest time of them ever walked the face of the earth since most remain over a banal Google a new Google will tell you the answer to anything it used to be 50 years ago you wanted to find out what they were thinking Louisburg adam send a spy into the mikveh today you don't need any spy in a Bigfoot they know what we're doing they know what we're thinking literally they know our attitudes because everything gets out and it's magnified I I wish I had more hair so I get to know more banal every time you find you find some kind of an intemperate remark on the on a Jew in a Jewish web site especially the front web sites there are thousands not dozens not hundreds thousands of websites just devoted to taking down Jews to promoting anti-semitism there trolls out there they are looking for the material they tape the quotes and in the space of hours it's all over the Arab world and all over the world of anti-semites so the cured of that the cure to that is attitude if our attitude is dismissive and contemptuous of other people they're gonna know that they're gonna know that so what our attitudes are towards other people is increasingly important and we can't fake it and then there are enemies then there are enemies enemies who I just as I just said pick up and everything that we do is a particular version of it plays out here in in Israel can't give away too much but had spies and people in place the various conferences anti-israel conferences here and one of the favorite things that they do when they bring over people from Europe and America to try to make the case the Palestinian case is that they'll take them to particular places that I want to mention where it's probably not fair and they know that when they get off the bus the people will be greeted by believe it in that nice polite little Palestinian children who are trained Wow if they wait just a few minutes they will find some Jewish looking kids who'll be throwing rocks at the Arabs and they don't have to say in and they don't have to say anything now if I lived in some of these places it could be I'd also be tempted I'm so sure I'd be tempted to throw the rocks but it is so self-defeating when you enough to know when and where we hate these people Bob Finnell raha said if you teach a child what it is to be itself a little kid to be made in God's image yeah any idea what it means to be in God's image and you should know the hierarchy that not only are you created in God's image but I thought of her who gave you something more you tarried you into it you turned you into it you owe then you're giving the child but this is what coming I spent 9/11 it's one of the only people at UCLA campus there's a meeting arranged by a reporter that two of us knew with the times a professor of Islamic law had written an article about about Reebok that the usury and the bad new techniques of getting past it and he thought it'd be good idea the two of us met I was teaching Jewish law at Loyola Law School at the time so we had sort of a professional connection and we decided not to not to cancel the meaning just because of 9/11 we met and he told me his story he was a genuine moderate he said that he grew up not as a moderate move in Egypt in Kuwait tree and is an imam train to a Jews trying to think that Jews are the lowest of the low and I had no reason to suspect otherwise but he came to the West he found them so sort of alone and I think was at Yale he said he didn't know anybody and remarkably most of the people who befriended him were Jewish and that led to a crisis of faith why he said if they lied to me about who the Jews were what else did they like in the event we have children we have told me no this we have children who go off the Dera because they were taught certain things and then when they get out there in the world they find that it's really not true how could they lie so much if they lied about who non-jews are what else do they lie about so this is not is not easy stuff so that's one issue what's the other issue that's the other issue something that's is more pretty often nothin by this crowd it's called a mess even for their know would there be no practical issues around we still would have to know what should our attitudes be should we be changing our attitude should we have so what I want to do in the time remaining is to go through some of the sources I'm going to talk pretty quickly and I'm gonna concentrate on the ones that it's more likely that most people here have not heard with the new material everything that I'm doing here is just a way of wetting your palate and your appetite there's a lot lot lot more to be said but hopefully this will get you thinking about some issues okay the one that is bandied about the most is acid-free rashi sites in flemish a sub and Yakko finally meet and write a stuff and Yaakov embrace and their little thoughts on the embrace hey and this is a dispute among 10 a.m. about what it means one opinion is that he he embraced him well that's the one we're looking at for Sherman by crisis haha bo dua ha ha how many mad Russian do you know that started with halakhah I love them it's the law it's a fixed reality beyond Dawa it's nothing ace of so many Aiko hey Santiago but at that time if mu Rock'em of his his compassion was moved and he embraced him beautiful hi and so a lot of people skip the second half and look at the first look of a chapter so the hence the title of what we're talking about hey so who was the gay so who is ASA there are many people who assume that a sub is either Christianity or the West for all non-jews you'll find important names linked to those to those who use there's one possibility that I didn't mention you want to help me what else could a sent me to be nice' in fact I did several times a bar-ilan search of the of this marriage and its use in all the shilassen Shuba slip shoulder with Russian will of the drudges that they had in the collection of the time there was not a single instance that I could find prior to the 19th century of this minor Tezaab being used in a universal sense now that does not mean that it's not true could be just be a people assumed it didn't have to be state you can't prove the knob from non null hypothesis but there is what to to talk about here as a brilliant fellow in London where name of high in Rappaport brilliant scholar wrote an article in 2015 collecting all of those who believe that a subsonic as Yaakov means all non-jews it wasn't a particularly big list but some important things shots and she was high rate was something that Hassan so fare promotion fine sting and the last rep about Europe now truth be told what I think all of his citations were all that compelling but let's even assume that it's true does that mean that that's the last word actually it turns out not necessarily that must be a cue for something remarkable year in New York uncredible sad they can one of the Godot lamothe the same generation as her question of Hankin with y'all hanky they're naked in two places rights what a vote completely meat side Oh somehow my teeth in a terrible terrible crime is committed by those people who give drush us all the time on the topic ha la vache so so nearly a Cove and that that hatred is eternal Zee naked hi ms the- huzzah bamaca this runs counter to the truth counted the kazan encountered to to scripture in another article he said that the minor really applies to was a sub here it means a sub they surveyed his whole life but this time he he changed he changed his ways and he says why because i'll speak in those terms if they mean anything more than a sub rock out door my really bay how big does Nishan is ax only talking about the ace of the non-jews of their day the romans of their day and and they mean to say that even a stuff to change his spots and can change his bay but there's more for reasons that I don't understand maybe because it's just a dumb mistake I'm making but there's an important of other genre we had not too long ago I know there at least a few people here in this room who learned a few on me a little interaction between review the hussy and his good old friend Marcus Antonius Aurelius and you know interesting guy bankrolled the Mishnah literally bankrolled he was the one providing them the monetary support for the project but they were friends they were friends Antoninus one day he was disturbed by a puck that he read about that 8:7 what's gonna happen pay so in the end this is a fellas are good on the base and he said so is there any hope for me what it would be like other stuff don't worry I'll work I'll get you out again or give fifty bucks the composite here tell them that What did he say he said ASA means those people who act like ASA what does that tell me that means that not everybody who's sort of genealogically or certain that he's not Jewish has to be a sub I I don't understand why this floor is not cited more often and then for those of you in the academic circles in academic circles that you point that that Professor Menachem Kahana he found the earliest edition of the supreme guess what the phrase is not there what is in this Afridi is not Halawa be a dua but how low you do what how low you doing and he speculates that the course of century is in copy whatever hello became abbreviated as hey Mahmoud and some printed a Goliath decided that hail ahmud must stand for Halawa and it made his way into every text now he it doesn't that was the original text and maybe doesn't even matter the sources and the texts that we have are also part of divine providence it's also part of us it also means something I'm not staking my my case done this alone but it is something to think of that but maybe more importantly more important than the comments of minutes if then it's saved if you only look at one source after this to keep it in your arsenal to show somebody else who's being kind of obstreperous in the other direction whoa Kevin it's it on the puss on the what is it it's it's a he says that the cane ladoris just as a sub was moved at that moment in brotherly love the king of the daughters similarly throughout the future nashola Zehra a sub miss owner in borough of tomorrow when the descendants of a sub will be moved with a spirit of purity logic Irizarry Israel in my love song to recognize the Jews and their elevated station as gone on that newness owner in logic here as a sub we all saw our move to recognize a sub key off he knew who he is our brother and if you don't believe that it's SIV close relative of his how comes powerful in the Varian also talks about a hang new Asaph we tend to gloss over that but but that is what he's cool okay so that's non-jews in general what about Christians in particular we have our own set of complaints and axes to grind with them so I'm gonna give you some stuff that will give you what to think about is Christianity of Eleazar ax the Jews category yes I don't know if anyone who this view said so if a Jew is forced to either accept Christianity or die it's a no-brainer as to accept that his Christianity of uh bazzara for non-jews so I'm sure half the people the room say yeah there's the the famous the famous Tulsa's and the Rama and when dosa says that she took a kind of a shear divinity is not problematic for non-jews and everybody yells at the Roma not everybody but a lot of our own them no that's not what this means it just means in the transgression of bringing a non Jew - oh there's no problem if they talk about God lost something else there are people around will tell you the Hulk is very very clear it's evolved azar it's idolatry for non-jews it's a violation or that's ever miss has been enough I'm not so not so certain that it's so clear I thought that it's sort of balanced and that you have about as many on one side as the other but I'm not playing post date tonight but what is overlooked is the following question we live in very strange times very strange times let me ask you appointed binary question what do we want what this is the problem what is it colorful what let's say Christianity would be about ozone is it better to be an open above Azara or an atheist and prove it time's up the answer you're supposed to give is of course given Ezra in the run-up to a services near us haricot the longest one hot thumb up I record here at some point but what he says is there's no question that the Avera of rejecting and community altogether is far worse than ideology and intuitively it should be the case an idol worshiper recognizes that there's something greater than the me than the human being and there's always room to correct the the misimpression some of them are forced him on the Haggadah that say why is Tara called one of our elbows my gosh I start without rum so they say that Tara they teach us something he told us the idea of submission to a higher being that's significant we live in a time when for the first time in who knows how long millennia atheism is becoming a serious option for many people and one that's growing by leaps and bounds United States military now has atheist chapters figured out one atheist jamuns and all you know the Pew reports show how atheism is growing do we have a vested interest in making sure that people retain some kind of a connection with the idea of God my guess would be yes my guess is that we're going to be far better off as a as a Jewish community living in a world where people believe in some higher authority but you don't know if I'm gonna sting you no no we're a duck in Moluccan days it's the famous incident with the that would be conference finish I'm sending the Lions out and they get scared they convert so in the aftermath of that there's one mysterious bus it which talks about Kohanim our God who was sent out to some of these different peoples to speak to them each according to his own God huh so the red ox says that what he did but he squatted did was they pulled them away from pure idolatry to a perform a false belief in which there was a chief god who's responsible for everything yeah his underlings to us that Samoas Oh Dustin some others are but you should know there's a puss akin Devoran Parekh darlin which maybe hasn't hit you over the head but the puss it talks about how a Shem took the stars and all the heavenly bodies I shared all MUC Hashem Mohammed I shouldn't divided them apportion them to the nation's I know that's only one translation but there's one of you that I could have sparked what does that mean there's a slew of Rishon in the knife Ronin that said that say that for them they are governed by intermediaries there are things between them and how cutter sparkled and a real winner is the I K disease okay so often overlooked because he writes so much today if you can't get something down to a three minute video you have no chance of getting hurt I mean Cyclorama would not make it today but in the shar-pei fest he says you don't find that a coach Burke who ever got angry at those people who worshiped heavenly beings you know he doesn't like like pop or and I see this file in that file but those who worship the Sun and the moon who knows what Alpha Centauri star was stopped out of them veering off in the wrong direction you gotta find that particle that to angry at them why not so he says a remarkable thing he says quoting this possum in the barn dolly I shall Akasha LaCava or some fella I'm him that she took that believing in a kind of share in divinity is just not so wrong for non-jews they cannot be held accountable to believe in the purity of the oneness of God that we were they weren't si night they did not have the same relationship with a coach Merkel so for what they're doing if they do in a one God and the truth is that you know there are like hundreds of millions of Hindus who claim that their mana thiis with a collection of 100 gods they still claim to their mana this what do they mean they mean that the ultimate reality behind everything else I'm talking for everything even on top of the the famous Hindu Trinity is one God so is that avodah Zarah frost 100 percent is it about a bizarre for them mixed we have two different views put it all together put it all together and there's one other fact and then next that's it and then we'll what do you out of your misery and that is remarkable rambha into two or three troopers the Rambam was asked is it true that non-jews a Navajo learned Torah mentality chantara so the Rambam as you know did not like Christianity very much it had some really strong words about Christianity he I don't know if he ever met a Christian in his life Muslims he suffered from and it has great things to say about Islamic monotheism as honest so he writes that that of course it's also look more says in saucer and you should not study with a Muslim Christians are different questions today why because Christians believe in our Scripture and if you learn scripture with them properly this is up I don't know you can say this but he did he says I don't believe that they're going to distort the meaning of the text I guess they say that we may change but it's still for the robot to Satan this time that because of scripture there is something there that if you teach them properly maybe they'll even come back and the three they age Yaakov Weinberg and a couple of troopers heliacal Weinberg says that coming back doesn't mean that they're gonna convert the others right it means that they'll see the truth they'll understand what their role is in the world I'll understand what the Jewish people's role is in the world they'll give honor to the Torah and to Jews and if you don't recognize that going on in the world today and seeing your optometrist for a new prescription we live in a time where there is so much pressure against belief and they are so unprepared for what's going on that they are clamoring for some kind of visa from us sometimes sometimes literally clamoring sometimes just subconsciously they the ones who've accepted the idea it's not just Catholics following the Pope's speech at the Kotel but going into the idea that the quote their their their text that they are their limbs grafted onto the tree the trunk and the trunk is Jewish who see that in different times today you see and there is something eternal about Jews and they use have insight into things because of the Torah they're not gonna convert but they think that we received God's Word before they did and they're looking desperately for us I could tell these stories I'm not gonna do it on camera of like the only one doing it that's for sure but some people very much connected to the of the administration one remarkable fellow after spending time with higher Hooper myself told us one day says when he has a small problem was his Protestant colleagues when he has a major problem he goes thoughts attacks rabbis he's not the first of the second person but I've heard that from that's how it should be now for two thousand years we had no opportunity to me if anybody came to us with such a proposal to respond to it because the next day he changed his mind or his son would would assume power and be off with our heads and maybe that will happen a year from that but at the moment maybe we live in a little bit of a bubble why would a fetish bar who do such a thing you know and I think it really really dense the real deep people here who know the rom-com well and though that's to nose so essential thesis is that the ultimate way of making that sham one in the world is when you conquer and you overcome the most serious objections to his wellness and what is that ultimately what's the most serious challenge to the oneness of God evil so it's when cloudy sorrow survives and is able to look evil straight in the face which we can do plenty of there and and say how good is working you can't push us away and we don't understand it because we're bust over done with flesh and blood but we can we can handle it we can we can do it it's not somehow a spirit of who you are we refuse to believe that it is that shows the the ultimate triumph oh my gosh I'm busy robbing a smaller level think of the beauty of the irony I'm a compartment taking people over 2,000 years we're the cudgel and he was the against us pastor Shawn when he wanted to have to punish us and to take them turn and turn them into friends allies and even and even friends I have no I have no quibble with those who won't hear any of this or on the verge of barfing but listen to it we have industry and we have too many naive people who are willing at any the drop of a hat to say yeah things have changed at different yeah it's not always the case we have to learn the lessons of history here in Israel the problem is intensified by the problem like you mentioned before or proselytizing that there are Christian groups that proselytize openly there are Christian groups that are more nefarious they'll tell you they're not proselytizing and they really are but there are groups that don't proselytize there are groups that understand that they want the relationship what they do people and they understand how contemptible it is that that proselytizing goes on and they'll agree to behave you find some groups Catholics are are struggling with this for those are really interested I can point you to a remarkable document published about two years ago year and a half ago I had over the document this by the difficult Commission not a relationship with the Jews in which they they said we don't understand why it's not a contradiction to our theology but we know it is true Jews somehow have their way of being recognized by God they don't need to be saved by this Catholics don't proselytize if they weren't big proselytize or less than Jews there are other groups that that they they're not always the most astute theologians but they'll say we would love for you to recognize our save here but that's your business maybe one day you will come you will accept them in the meantime we understand you live and the holiness of the way you way to conduct your lives and the greatness of the Torah they need that power as a friend of mine a [Music] Anglican theologian put it he said what evidence any evidence that God will keep his promise over a long period of time even for people who are onward where there's only one place so we need them if that if there's nothing to that then we have no assurance as Christians so because I'll say that a superfluous and no lot I believe you free to be free to accept it or not that there is a no lot I can't tell you how long it'll last but that there were remarkable opportunities and I'm an opportunist I think that there's an opportunity to be taken carpe diem grab it we should take the opportunity all of you want to consign up with me after it's there are always oops I mean it seriously groups of visiting Christians coming through if we don't get them the Palestinians do and there is nothing more powerful to sell Christians on the connection with the Jewish people I'm a trip to Israel I've heard this from them then a Friday then a little shots of the in a genuinely Orthodox one with multiple generations with good food with different order people will spend ten days here going to all the places up north that the average Christian hasn't heard of and they'll say the most memorable experience is Friday night and another nice one and I'll be looking for those okay any questions we have some redness and regular [Music] so my opinion doesn't matter so much I'll tell you that the have one one colleague who works particularly with European Jews brilliant guy here in our know Christians Haim Eisen in our note and he works particularly with European Christians and they're in a battle minority that's part of why I think many of them are doing true but I think anybody can do to uh I think we have to not be not my even look for the signs of it there they're the reasons why people do to vote and it happens to me with European Christians that they were called communities of people who were most uh nefesh in the Holocaust and throughout throughout bloody European history and then as Franco Mike's pointing out that when Jews have to take refuge someplace when they had a run the place that they ran through usually with some Church figure sometimes they got turned in or but often they were they were protected you have especially people in the Calvinist tradition in France those remarkable communities and France and couple died in the process and they did it on religious grounds so it's not and probably what the world is it's never black and white they're always shades of gray I think there are some there they're people worthwhile talking about their communities in in Europe today and every time is some new outrage and CBS does this would be biessed of that so European church is saying well if they're boycotting this company we're gonna start a campaign to buy from that country it's actually a tool that we use we try to point out to some of the vini as people that every time they have a new boycott of some product it actually means that more the product is sold to good questions I'm not as much of the next person or cook as I should be although I do believe that of cook of cooks approach it's one of the most crucial things to convey to young people today much of what ails the Jewish community coming out of the liberal wing is a false kind of universalism people are just don't are not comfortable with the idea that you're meeting any specialists in the Jewish means anything that's really what's behind Europe nationalism is a crime because your I had all these world wars here because of nationalism privilege it's all being one happy country like the EU and let's see happen how that lasted but Ruth Cooke is one of the most explicit about the difference between the Jewish neshama the non-jewish Neshoba thoroughly tested in academic circles they blame it on reviewed a lengthy in the ballot Anya and sometimes they don't realize that we've cooked it as well wouldn't stop them really but it's truth cook does very very explicit that or if cook is also far away beyond anyone that I know in hundreds of years a universalist and the two anon contradictory it seems the cookies though they're not they're just so much they're of cook about the universal message about how the embrace has to start off with himself with his spouse with his children with this community with his people until it embraces the entire earth that's kind of a common places somehow it's not contradictory I can explain why it's not but I don't have the time right now but it's not a net and that's important I don't know which Christians he was talking about and whether he would say the same thing and he met Christians or manifestly different there's no emotion even if they act sweet though they're really after something but I've met people who don't seem to be after I could be wrong I could be naive okay but I put him in the company of a lot of other people okay what was the second class the second question was someone stood up in deliberative art door and I use the phrase the issue amongst remote and he cited his raise a lot in the literature to support that oh okay starting from the Gemara which may or may not be talking about about him the descriptions it's very hard to believe that the issue in the gara really was the the one-third of the the Christian Trinity because he's put at a period of time about a hundred fifty years before but some have two roots before that they were made so my focus fishermen they were Rachelle who believed that he was the Machado who believed that he wasn't in one of the great church debates in Europe one of the volley ptosis were up and down that the Asian the Gemara is not Jesus the we suffered so much there was so much of a distortion of truth the essence of Hashem through Christianity I don't want us to be naive about the negatives that macau police was solid a Sakai whoever it was who started this whole mess maybe should be seen with the most utter contempt okay that's it's a view it's a view there are other things there are other views and then there's a third even if you don't buy the other views to say such things today puts the Jewish people in danger to save when other people can hear and they always hear everything puts the Jewish people in danger to train students to think that way would not every student is so discerning I give you a very very very small example some of you were probably shocked that I said the word Jesus if people in my family are shocked now we don't people have a situation I said and I was so careful about doing it that even when I did radio shows i'ma find some circumlocution I talked about I found the way not to mention his name I thought I was being from - because radio show wants to know a Drivetime radio and went very nicely half hour show and afterwards okay in the interview somebody was listening said you know what the host said after you got a lot soon as they got love he announces the two hundred thousand people he said did you notice that the rabbi couldn't bring himself to say the word Jesus after that I wasn't gonna be so from a nice motel hahaha I wouldn't do anything that's awesome so I hope I don't do anything one two and that by three or and that I think is gonna have to be a great we're running we ran out of time one time ago we think that's a yes yeah I wish I could tell you had a practical strategy for it I know that there if you if you read Akira you will notice in the last couple of issues like a little bit of a subliminal campaign in that direction Akira is called the Flatbush Journal of intellectual thought that's the original byline which people thought was a bad joke but it turns out it wasn't a joke is it actually an excellent journal when there was saying Flatbush Rob what never was in Flatbush did not contribute to the kind of balloon is on the on the and the editorial board it's very diverse it's so they're people who are pushing the idea even within Flatbush and even in Williamsburg that it's a complex world and in America maybe the thing has to be a scare tactic Jews are gonna lose in the next couple of decades a lot of the advantage that they've been accustomed to I grew up that the ever pace up you could count on the city to have an extra garbage pickup to have business the days before or to do a bigger comets we've got a lot of groups now competing for political influence and Jewish influence has waned and will continue to wane as Jewish population wanes as Jews don't vote as a bloc which politicians are now understanding so a lot of things that we took for granted us Anglos the United States is going to change when some of those things start happening they're going to be people around are going to say review you gotta understand they're on to us they know who we are if we treat them we even think about them Julie they're going to combine quantum above me we treated the same way so I'm hoping that that necessity is going to be the mother of invention it can't happen without patina without getting to some of the people I can't tell you that old leaders are ready for this some are you go to Philadelphia and particularly close with right now three generations of common s keys - will lead up as an American flag outside this house I saw myself - will spamming I was on the street talking through school and I made a conversation out of the corner of his eye he saw two little black kids from the neighborhood he ended the company interrupted the conversation turn to the kids start a talk to them and asking out their parents were several gets that's the fact it is about most circle Burtka so you need you need the you need the right kind of people on the other hand they went to one another another person also close with and talk about the Russian epidemic and he basically said among my followers they're not gonna hear it they're just not going to hear it today this was 20 years ago today I suppose some of them are ready to hear it's gonna be slow who was number two Lauren maybe yeah i'm contrarian because they makino hoods and ashiness there are lots of people who did nice things for the Jewish people and really hated Jews the Pharisees wrote books about the city of isola me includes Johannes rifle Brooklyn did a lot to safely gamar from being burnt you know was it the 16th century he hated Jews learned with the spar no even these languages the people who do things because they do there was a survey that a survey is studying number of years ago of non-jews in Germany who helped Jews and what were their what was the reason so there were multiple reasons but there was what there was one group a large group the largest group that just didn't like the idea of being bossed around by this terrible authority figure on the other side if what he wanted was the Jews dead they knew who's gonna work in the opposite direction so I don't know but I think that you can point to lots and lots of other people I mean think the gaber's of children of top of top Nazi figures listen legitimate gamers and their living I mean from lives something moves their so let it begin I don't care but but but but but they did turn around they did turn around and and I've been in contact over the years with with groups the group of Lutheran nuns whose sole mission is friendship with the Jews and then I process I see in Germany in Arizona they have to live in two places okay yes sir I wish I could tell you had a magic bullet that the magic pill they didn't care at all I don't that I have something I think is of a little substance and just like old politics is local or relationships are local a lot of people are treated it through the through the press the media social media lots of images of countries but we have the ability of cream of creating different images in relationships with people one by one less of an opportunity here in Israel if there are few angles here who still commute certainly those who live in other countries have that opportunity with every interaction every time they're standing in line of a supermarket at the time that they they greet the Milman in the morning how many stories that we have to hear about about non-jews and the and though in the world will put themselves out because they have a good relationship with was just before and it saved lives the the only way to deal with misinformation is to provide proper information so what I said there a lot of their opinion out there who can make proper impression but it has to become a priority for the community it has to become part of an action plan explain I will explain is there are people who are into vivid depictions of their form of the endgame it's pretty interesting reads like a novelist matter-of-fact how whatever his name is actually translated into the Left Behind series and it was very powerful stuff people feel these are the people who believe that in their literalists about the about the Bible and their Bible in particular and think that the final the final showdown is going to happen only when all the Jews are brought to Israel and the second company can't take place until you have this huge war and the rapture and so they want the Jews ear so that that you know the game can continue the way they they they wanted by the way is not the first time in history that we were in that position the most famous time that I know it was Menasha venue straw and that's Benny straw one of the leaders of Amsterdam jewelry and some bread who convinced Cromwell that he was blocking the second coming of Jesus and why was this rabbi answer then telling me that he said look you believe that the biblical prophecy don't you he said of course they says well the Bible that says that the Jews are gonna be scattered to the four corners of the earth and I'm looking at the globe and there's one place that doesn't let you is in this right here in England unless you let the Jews back in so we've you know we've been in that position so to answer the second part of it I would for practical reasons as an Orthodox Jew I couldn't care less what what they believe if they're proselytize think that's something else but I'm not what I like telling some of my Christian friends that the Jews who object most specifically for conservative Christians praying for them are Jews who don't pray JUSA pray your life's a pawnshop is pretty smart they can figure out whose pray is to listen to it was not there I'm a listen everybody's for my ears and make them all happy that's more that's what that's what it comes work was for so I'm not offended by strong beliefs of people that I disagree with and I find that usually evangelical Christians are not offended by my strong beliefs they're actually reassured by things that might have happened every time that one of these one of them would you know I come real close and say something about about Jesus I would just kiss close and give him a because Allah after realize he's not gonna convert me so let's just go but it happens to me there are those people out there in 15 years of working with that community I have still to meet one person like that I know they're there I've met lots and lots and lots of people who don't believe that who who take the same attitude towards evangelizing well I'm still that we did about being in their legaia who passively will don't my example we hope that people get the message we hope that people will see that we leave good pious lives and that they learn that way I have no problem with that okay thank you for being an attentive audience [Music]