CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 20 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning rabboisai. We learn in the mishnah with the help of Mordechai. The boisai we're holding here by the mishnah. You test on base by the mishnah. If somebody shechts from the side of the neck instead of let's say directly over here, you shecht from over here Rashi points out unlike all the other mishnaios hashocheches means only after the fact over here it means l'chatchila. You could shecht on the side of the neck l'chatchila. Melika, what's melika? You take your thumbnail, you have a nice long thumbnail that's sharp and you go to the back of the neck right over here, you push through. I'll show you a video. There's different types. This is a little gory rabboisai, I'm warning you though. It has blood in it. If you don't like blood, do not look. We're going to get some emails about this one. >> [music] >> No, you really looked away. This is two-handed. He grabs with one hand, punctures with the second hand. It's to lessen the whole effect. This is with the same hand. The same hand does it. >> [music] >> Garnish. Or or this could be right over here. This is how Yossi did it. It breaks the spine and the spinal cord and goes through the veshet and hits the corner cuz we're going from the other the other side. If you shecht the bird he just decided to do something baruch Hashem on the obviously melika is from the back of the neck. What is it called in English? The nape? Okay. Obviously when you do shechita from the front of the neck that's a normal shechita but if you do melika pasula it's no good. And the mishna finishes off kosher melika. The entire nape that's what you called it. The nape is kosher for melika but call it the front part of the neck the whole neck is kosher for shechita. And then the mishna says everything that's kosher by shechita is pasul melika it's on the opposite side kosher melika pasul shechita. My oref what does oref mean? Oref mamesh oref means on the other side of the face this is the face so oref is on the other side but it's on the head. You cannot do melika on the head. Why can't you do melika on the head? pasuk that says not on the arpai not on the head but me mul arpai. Yeah it's a little confusing what's me mul arpai? The part that sees the arpai. What sees the arpai? Here let me show you on this instead of the real bird. This This arpai this part over here sees the our pie. This is our pie. Our pie, our pie. Okay. So we have to say that means underneath the head on the nape. And I'll prove it to you because it says call the entire the entire is good for now. What is call look how small the head is. How how are you going to do what's the all? But this entire area that's that means that I can understand why it says call. From here all the way to here is good is a good area for me. The way there. I don't know what you mean. >> [clears throat] >> How do we know that it's that it's not our pie? It's not about what sees the head, which is the nape that sees the head. I don't know what you mean. tells me the whole choir is sitting across from me. I see them. I'm able to see them. So that's so you see the idea of uh is is that it could see. You could see the the nape could see the head. So now I have another puzzle that tells me that it's not the face, but it's behind the face. It's the face. What's the second puzzle for? I don't know what you mean. I don't I don't know what the face is. I don't know what I don't even know what the face is. How am I going to know what sees the face? So I know that is the opposite of the face. The face is on one side. The face is on the other side. In other words, the back of the head. So now I know that the is the opposite of the face. And is down a little lower than that. It's the nape. I'm really going to do it. The two sons of the twins the famous twins Yehudah and the choir. >> [clears throat] >> They come along and they they drop a big bomb here. Mitzvas melikah mazir simanim l'achorei ha'oref u'mo'el lik. You thought the melikah is one way? I'm going to tell you something completely different. Melikah is like this. More dick. You got to pull the kon and the veshet and bring them all the way around to the to the nape, to the back of the neck. And then you could do a kvetz with your nail. What do you gain by that? You gain that you're not coming in directly into the spine. The way you do it now is you're going into the spine through the spinal cord. The animal is pretty much dead by that point. And then you you continue going weiter into the kon and the veshet. It's kind of late, no? Huh? If you do it this way, it won't become treif. If you do it this way, it won't become treif. Now, mitzvas melikah mitzvas melikah mazir simanim l'achorei ha'oref. You take the two simanim, the kon and the veshet, and you pull it back behind the neck u'mo'el lik and they do melikah. Eikah d'amrei and some say af mazir. You could also, if you feel like it, you could bring it back. If you if you don't want to, you don't have to bring it back. You could go regular. And there's another shitah that says only regular. What? That's not what No, no, no, no, no. The first shitah of Chizkiah's sons is no, l'chatchilah you go and you do the simanim first and then the spinal cord. Mitzvas melikah mazir simanim l'achorei ha'oref u'mo'el lik. Yeah, the deikah amrei is Now, now what's What's the var in deikah amrei? No, so then it's not a oiref. Is that a oiref? When you twist the head? You're supposed to put your finger in No. You didn't get anything. Twisting the head, it's I don't think it then either motor either you're not going through the oiref or you did the simonem. You're not going to you have to physically pull the simonem. Rashi says over there boys in the second line. Look at the second line. It's part of the malika. Vava kishara shoychet Rashi says look, we know that if there's a tiny little hole in the veshet, in the esophagus, then it's animal treif. So when you take your knife and you go in slow motion, you know, those cameras that are able to capture, you know, a million shots per second. So you go like this and you hit the veshet with your knife, it became treif. A millisecond later, you went through the veshet and you did shchita. But there was a moment where you made this animal treif. That's not a concern. What if it took you four times to go back and forth to cut the veshet? It's okay? So you could say that when you when you do a malika, when you do malika, that is how That's how you do malika. You you break the chuta shidra and then you go to the to the kon and the veshet, the veshet and the kon. But that's how you do it. That's how it's done. It's not at all you made it treif. That's how it's done. Every every animal you make it a treif or somehow in between. You can arm me half mazor. Some say you could also do it like that. You must bring the simonem to the back so you don't hit the mafregus, you don't hit the spinal cord first. Well, Mr. Adam half mazor it makes a lot of sense like the madonna says you can do both ways. How am I going to make a classic share? The Gomorrah has a beautiful cashier. If by Malika you have to pull the simonem to the back of the neck, my shouldn't that work also by Shita? Why doesn't that work by Shita? If you pull the simonem to the back of a cow's neck and shaft from the back of the cow's neck it should work. You just shafted the two simonem. I don't care where where where the simonem were in the front of the neck or the back of the neck. It should work. So why and we must listen below the reason why it doesn't work by Shita is because we're not talking about such a case. It could work by Shita. You in the mission it says that it's no good. No good. Why not good? It is good. Oh, because we're not talking about a case that you slept the simonem to the back of the neck. And if you don't slip the simonem to the back of the neck, it only works by Malika when you come from the back and you can but by an animal it wouldn't work if you shaft from the back of the neck. Again, by an animal if you an animal you don't touch you don't mess with the simonem and you take a knife and you go from the back of the neck, the Shita is puzzle. By a bird, if you don't mess with the simonem you go from the back of the neck the Malika is kosher. That's what the mission says. The mission says it doesn't work by Shita but it works by Malika. But the question is but I do have a way where it works by Shita. If I do mess with the simonem I pull the simonem to the back of the neck and I do Shita. That's where you're right. In that case it would work but that's not what we're talking about in the mission. I'm going to be honest. You got to write me a question on these youngsters this these you would have to ask you I have a great answer to them. Says the last words of the mission are comes out or whatever is kosher by Shita is possible by Malika. Kosher by Malika possible by Shita. Whatever is good by Malika is by me. Whatever is good by me is no good by me. What are you what are you adding to everything that we already said in the mission? The highest coming to say this is that you're not supposed to mess around with this pull it to the back of the neck. You should not use a tooth or nail for it. I don't need our mission to tell us that we already we already learned that. We already had a whole mission about the whole thing all the things that you can use. That with your nail you shouldn't go like this. You shouldn't use your nail as a how do you do thank you as What do you do? How do you do it? It's actually what's this? A pressure forward pressure. It's not a slicing movement of the nail. It's a forward pressure. So there is no obviously you go like this. And a back and forth movement is no good and that's what the mission comes to exclude. That's great if you hold that saucer but if you hold that's okay. What do we do? Cuz they you didn't that is no good and that's why Um We have the the deal in the mission that it's possible. Over of time. How [snorts] do you do what's the what's the best way to do it and how you you you cut the meat and you go down you do a dresser with two things. You cut the skin go down in one swift motion or whatever you do it. The zoom it's that's it. You can't do sorry what do you mean by life over here you can be that you go back and forth is no good. That happens in maybe maybe back and forth is great. What my zoom it's what it say only this is the way to do it. It's also another way to do it. Whatever is kosher by so by the opposite on the other side of the the head is good by Malika. Which is I'm a fortune mission. If it's not good for it's possible for Malika what is it come to exclude equal simon. So now we're going to get into a a sugia of equal simon. Thank you. Thank you Benny. You remember to put it in. This is the simon yeah this is the corner. Equal simon just means that this popped out of its place. I don't know exactly how this okay let's say the veshet you can understand it better in a veshet maybe. If it pops out of its place it's not in there. So in a bird you only have to check the one out of the two simon. But what if one of the two simons popped out of its place? What would that make the bird before you do any anything? Pop it out. It'll be a treifa. So he says call equal simon that that the simon is out of its place with any equal simon by it's not an issue by a bird. You're right. It's coming to exclude they can't do Malika on its head. We already established this that the Malika is not in the head. The Malika is below the head. The Malika is not. Says the word my roisha, shippu roisha. Roisha means the the the bottom part of the head, the end, the tail end of the head. Right over here, let's call it. He went in the back of the shippu roisha. He went in over here, but went downwards and also the bottom of the toy here. Right like this. Take a look over the head of this. You go in in a bad spot, become down lower. The entry to the the melika was in the head. You're not supposed to go in the head. But he eventually got to the simonim lower below. Does that make any sense? Lower below? Not really. [clears throat] Further down. He was magrim. He was as a grama to the good. A grama for the good. >> [clears throat] >> And he went until he got below. P'sula. So this is the case that we had by an animal where a person starts terribly. Like where was it? This one. The red arrow. He's going in the red. It's It's in the clavicle somewhere. No good. No good. But then he takes a right turn and goes into the tabasac doila. That's great. Tabasac doila is okay. And he did two shlish in the tabasac doila, which is a good shlita. Nevertheless, we say it's pasul. Why? Because the animal dies after using the first third of in no good and the second third in good. So didn't have a good shlita. Yes, you're right. You continued another third and you went all the way down, but it's too late. The animal's dead by then. This that you said, there's no such thing as ripping out the simon by a bird. Oh, so now our boys say does a bird need to be shocked at? We shock birds all day long. Make it taste uh so here's the three sheets. One sheet is most of the people got it from the British layman on Mount Sinai. The other sheet is is more than that. It's in the Torah itself. You make a heckish between a bird and an animal just like an animal needs to eat this so to a bird. But there's one sheet that says is there a banana. Interesting only the banana. In other words, the bird is like a fish. You take a fish, you whack it on the head, you give it a good zest, kill it. Take a bird. Bang it in the head and that's it. This only goes according to my knowledge says there's no sheet uh to a bird from the Torah. But if you hold that there is sheet to a bird in the Torah, yeah, she could. There's no reason to say that a bird is different than an animal. And therefore just like an animal has equal if you if if one of its semen had popped out, it's a treif. So to buy a bird because I hear the more it doesn't go into it really. The more it's going to say here take a take a look at what we say now. Okay. If you hold that there that sheet is in the Torah so you could say oh that's my mushroom the only argument they make or I learned that there's no weaker. But if you want to make it behave more than equal and have it behave more make it taste that should be like everything like a behave more. Behave more has equal this doesn't have. If you hold it's going to be like a homer now. You hold that that sheet is only with the banana. If you say it's a complete there a bottom then you have to learn everything from an animal and equal if the one of the simon and popped out is going to be a big problem or maybe finish over here all the time this one is no by a bird is no is no pop out of place a little bit I will be doing equal We'll stop right over here a boy side have a wonderful >> [music] >> Merit is close to spreading Torah throughout the world sponsor a share today and do I sponsor dot com or sponsor at mdwy.com