Blood Brothers LIVE: Ventriloquists, McCarthyism, Aliens, Paganism, and Springtime

so [Music] it's a long bumper [Music] um okay all right all right how'd you like the bumper music where's that from who made that scratch bastard i don't know what that means he's a uh a dj he won the like international dj tournament you know you'll probably know him um as the dj who scratched the imperial march to win i don't know that never heard that well i've heard the the that's the star wars scratched the imperial march he won the international contest and international scratching contest yeah yeah and he was one of the best in the world and uh i sent him some niche records and he sent me that back really yeah that it's amazing i love it because i'm i was listening to it like though that's definitely like the dudes in the background there and then you have the that the samples and the beat and the rhythm and stuff it's really really cool it was playing in the background there yeah see he does a little yeah yeah that's just nice i want to listen to all in the face like this but he only took one foul and he did it over and over again because there this is okay which is actually i think from the kayak one which you see i have two copies from the clay f1 over there there there were two releases of nuclear volume one the red and the yellow so i have both of them there kind cone collects vinyl he gave me those he donated those to the soulworth studio amazing anyways yeah did the this person this artist who did this did he were you aware of any connection he had to jewish music or anything know no you just reached out and you i just sent them something you didn't said what can you do with this and he sent me this back that's amazing that's really cool yeah yeah it is pretty cool yeah we'll keep this up here just to be able to play it if we we need an intermission musical interlude or anything like that yeah yeah so welcome back for part two of blood brothers live we had yesterday we had blood blood brothers live part one we didn't know it was part one we thought it was just blood brothers live yeah but now i'm here again so everyone should know why you're in uh new york right now i am in new york for the the kadun se foreign mitzvahs that my daughter uh did learn for many many months safe remixes and in depth and love with um along with thousands of other children across the world yes and um and she got placed high enough and did well enough that she was able to participate participate participate in the this uh trip and program and gathering of all these kids who this is like the payoff for so we want to wish much hats to shayna bracha taub in her uh learning of sephirah mitzvahs and her competing with squashing the competition very proud of her yes okay so uh beloved david oh that's nice well that's what your name means it does david means beloved so i've known for a long time also that that that you could call me dude and that would be an appropriate pronunciation of my name i realized recently um this i'm gonna reveal my ignorance but for those of you who who are familiar with it how do in israel how do they refer to dvds is it dvd in english do they use how do they refer to dvds thank god that technology is becoming phased out because i'm sure it caused a lot of confusion in israel but it would so it would it'd probably be dollar i don't know would it be donald vase darling yeah well probably bet or vet right yeah they say it like that thank you and now i feel foolish yeah like doodoo fisher he's a dovid yeah yeah right yeah because i said donald donald and and and and it means beloved it means uncle you know what dude also means what a pot okay in in what language uh in the basement there was it was literally cut the nuzzer's hair they throw it under the dude oh yeah yeah the dude it's a pot okay i didn't know that i should have known that yeah and it's spelled dollars above donald yeah that is something i should have known about my name yeah i love it yeah beloved i was like like died like annular day divided lee how do you know it doesn't say anila davidi well i think it does that's the decree in the xiv yeah the cree is annie la davide see that's much nicer you call me beloved i sometimes call you spacey chasey it's not nice but it's not nice it's not it's not nice it's mean i shouldn't actually call it's probably actually like oscar i'll be shocked to call you that because you don't like it i don't like it well i don't hate it it's not and it's not it's not it's not that doesn't have anything to do with your actual name with the the right it doesn't it's not connected to the meaning of shape connected to the entomology of your name it's not i said entomology on purpose right the call back from yesterday right and it's not something that you could say is so random that you're just saying it because it rhymes it actually is a characteristic of mine that i've been uh you're a very deep thinker yeah well thank you i appreciate it i i am sometimes a deep thinker and uh sometimes i'm in my own world and i do get accused sometimes it makes me feel very bad actually people think i'm um being socially unavailable or rude or they're like oh i saw that guy he was so dismissive no i wasn't dismissive i didn't see you didn't you notice that after i walked past you i bumped into the candy machine like did you notice that part like you also didn't see that my shoelaces were untied i mean yeah i've had that a lot people come to me and be like you know i had to work so many game kippers i'm forgiving you for snubbing them and you didn't even realize it happened we were thinking about it's an old joke guy says the other day my wife says to me are you even listening to me which i thought was a very strange way to start a conversation uh-huh i i like jokes about about uh no i i was gonna make a joke about about like oh it's so funny jokes about about unhappy marriages and women being unheard but then it's like no it's not even didn't even want to make a joke about it you don't want to make a joke about it yeah okay too soon so too soon like if you would wait a while too soon yeah like there's no one event that it would be too soon that's what i was told that when things are inappropriate because it's because it's too soon yeah right it's not the only way no maybe technically if something is happening every single day can i ask you a question after meshiach comes right how long do we have to wait for the prophet says on that day i will thank you hashem for having acted angrily toward me enough to be so how many days into the ghoul islama will it take before everything is comic fair no how many days i'm asking rabbi the anger the anger will go away and we will no longer it be it will no longer cause us pain keep talking yeah so all right going to come as you just stated from some verse or saying that i'm unfamiliar with i don't know uh that that we will are we will forgive god and will no longer be angry so it should then be okay to joke about like you're saying everything the most awful things all the pain the craziest worst things that have happened and gullis will there come a point where you'll be able to joke about it and at what point how long will that take okay i'll let you think about that so beloved david as i was saying and you are beloved by many thank you we got a lot of feedback yesterday from your fans oh yeah and i think they love you was that puppeteering yeah i know that beloved dovid is a professional puppeteer i am david are you comfortable on live youtube sharing a little bit about the viper's nest that is the world you're laughing already but i'm quite serious the world of professional puppeteering because you've been begrudgingly invited into that world because you are an established uh professional puppeteer for decades actually you make your own puppets and perform not everybody does both you're a you're a you're a double trouble and uh do you want to talk about the puppeteering world well i will i will say that i am i have had trouble uh yes it is a weird niche community yeah that like many others that i am part of uh that just because of of strange interests that i have and sometimes those those worlds overlap and sometimes they don't and it's it's hard for me to navigate any type of social situation so the point is i'm not very good at it i'm not very good at participating in that community and and they have like picnics and they get together i don't know uh i'm i'm really not involved i will say just at the time the amount that i've tried to like dabble my foot into being active in in that community has not been successful you have not been successful in winning their hearts no so you're not beloved in the puppeteering community i am not beloved okay could you share with everyone you were telling me the other day about your um is it too harsh a word to say you're uh disdain for ventriloquist for ventriloquists and ventriloquism all right i i want to first start by saying that i know certainly just because every every um every rule has an exception so there must be some every trillion out there who is a good guy yes and the sweetheart of a man i recently maybe you should start by telling me that you felt that senior wences was something what's this i really really like and i'll explain why eventually once i explain what i don't like about ventriloquism acts then i can explain why severe weinersis was a spanish yes actually spanish not spanish like he was from spain right i believe so yes not spanish like in new york therefore well anybody who speaks spanish right like they're called dominican spanish right you don't go to the spanish guy i mean the dominican guy right everyone's everyone speaks spanish it's called spanish would be like calling uh an american of any ethnicity english you're about that accurate um yeah so i'll i'll so he was really spanish now and now now that i said it three times i really pray senior wences was spanish and not some something let's find out rook i think he was from spain i think i do think he was i think he was from spain senor wences great spanish puppeteer where'd he get his big break on ed sullivan i'm i'm not gonna go through this from that era he was from that era i don't know that was his big break but he was definitely very popular on that solid he was popular in the ed sullivan um [Music] yeah spanish ventriloquist yes spanish not just spanish language from the actual country of someone's english language ventriloquist i mean i i've never seen it have you ever heard sinoensis in spanish no i haven't either i wonder even if it would have the same effect because a big part of it was the accent maybe when he performed spanish he did an american accent maybe all right so i so part of my preface here before i bash introduction how do you spell wences w-e-n-c-s the w i don't think that i don't that's not even a spanish way of spelling it exists doesn't it uh-huh okay all right yeah yeah that's what it says on wikipedia um but somebody actually reached out to me recently because because some people sometimes email me or message me about with puppetry questions or uh puppeteering questions and how to build puppets and whatnot and somebody was asking me about about a ventriloquism act that they were uh developing and i i told them how i don't like ventriloquism but like but said you know that you could definitely go go be the ventriloquist that that that's not like that you know like you could do that great you know all right so here's what i don't like about ventriloquism you got a bone to pick i got a bone to pick if it's really quick which is ironic because that's what i'm criticizing them for is being being confrontational and hostile hostile now you're being confrontational but that's the thing is ventriloquists if you notice are always that most ventriloquism acts are the ventriloque they're the the the ventriloquist and the dummy fighting and dummy is not a insult but that's one of the tropes of almost every ventriloquist act i'm not the dummy you're the dumb right i think that's an actual albert brooks routine i'm not the dummy you're the dummy albert brooks doesn't have any shelter quest albert brooks did a ventriloquism parody where he screams at his dummy and says i'm not the dummy you're the dummy okay yeah um i'm just trying to figure where the line is between parody and satire could you say somebody is satirizing ventriloquism or it's a parody of introversion probably is satirizing yeah i don't know the difference i think satire has to have some type of political message parody is where you're okay if i remember correctly parody is where you're imitating the style of something satire is you're not having fun imitating the style of something you are making fun of an actual object of derision usually of political or social importance so if somebody uses the style of something in coordinating and assessing satire you could be inheriting one thing while satirizing another thing or or satirizing and parodying the same thing right like you can do a parody like let's say you imitate a certain genre of music so you're going to make a fake polka and it's a parody of polka you're not making fun of polka but the lyrics of the polka song could be making fun of uh lec valencia right cut and you're using a polka song to do so uh actually one of the requirements i believe the the copyright law on parodies is really gray and it's like there's no no surefire way to make a parody that is legally safe somebody could always come after you but generally the law as far as i know the laws are that um i believe you have to be commenting on the original work in some way right okay okay um and i think that that's always interesting like that's the legal requirement and for me i i went because i i sometimes will do stylistic parodies of things and that's i think a good creative requirement as well the reason why it's a legal requirement is like are you just using this artist's song to put your own lyrics to because you don't because it's a catchy song you like it right so you can't call that a parody that's not apparent it's a rip-off you're just stealing the song and putting different lyrics to it right but you have to have original thought and commentary and be be interacting and con in conversation with the original work which i think is interesting um and that's so i think that's a good creative bar to set as well um why were we talking about this all right we're going back to ventriloquist so ventriloquist they fight with their with their puppets a lot power struggle power struggle and the reason why i think that is is because another feature of ventriloquist is that most puppeteers hide under a table or hide under the frame of the the the camera right or they wear all black or they wear all black japanese forms i don't know how to pronounce it properly and i don't say it poorly it's spelled b-u-n-r-a-k wha b-u-n-r-a-k-u and you don't want to say i don't i i don't want to mispronounce it's a word a japanese word because like i just don't want to butcher a word i don't know how to say okay i would but that's where they were where black yes and they hide okay and yeah they're on a black backdrop and then you can move like a lot of all the limbs of the character and it's really interesting but the hiding is a big part of puppetry it's not kabuki theater i don't know what that is it's another form of japanese theater um but yeah but uh i would say like most puppeteers one of the defining themselves features of art of puppet is that you hide and your artwork takes center stage right yes whereas a ventriloquist gets up there on stage with his puppet and interacts with it in front of everybody yes so i feel like ventriloquist is a puppeteer who is humble enough unable insecure to hide you can't hide it can't give up the spotlight to the puppet and therefore when they both do get up on stage they end up fighting with each other because that's why every ventriloquist act is a power struggle with because essentially that's what it is it's the puppeteer wanting the stage but knowing that but also wanting to to do puppetry and therefore give the puppet the stage but not wanting to give up the stage and then it's a fight i will say this by the way that in that in the uh in the 2000s that it became i won't i don't i don't know if it was never done before but it became popular there was a there was a popular musical that used puppetry and the puppeteers were all completely visible on stage the sets were elevated just like for if you don't know when you do uh like tv and film puppetry like like live paw patrol you have like a little puppet theater but for tv film usually what you do is you have elevated sets sets on stilts so the puppeteers are standing up and then they have the puppets up there instead of having to be squatting or kneeling right so you're standing completely up so instead your arm gets tired you have an elevated set so this musical had had all of that and the puppeteers were standing up and walking around and puppeteering but they weren't concealed in any way right and it didn't but it didn't take away they now they weren't part of the show they wouldn't have to learn how to look fasting but it wasn't distracting i've actually felt like that was kind of uh like right is that that usually traditionally if you see the the puppeteer that's bringing the puppet to life it breaks the illusion you're no longer able to perceive it it's what it says at the end that if you would see the dvarashem that is you would see hashem speech which is speaking everything into being you wouldn't see that thing anymore right you'd only be able to see you'd only see the source instead of the the the the illusion of the independent creation and you're saying this like that you're able to see that there's a puppeteer and and yet you can see the puppet at the same time right creator and creation ten years right in the 90s the only way a performer and a puppet aren't being on the same stage together is the triloquist they fight with calling each other dummies right right but now we're getting closer to meshia and you can show the puppeteer and the puppeteer allows the puppet and they also by the way they're not the those puppeteers were not ventriloquists you could see their mouths moving you could see everything that they were doing to vivify this puppet that's tremendous and yet the illusion still worked people were still captivated by the by the characters why do you give senior wences a pass senior wences i feel was very generous and i first of all he was loving and caring with his puppets like i think if you watch his act he's he's there are there there are moments where he's arguing with with puppets right a lot but he's very gentle and paternal but he's very gentle and paternal and also part of the shtick is he's got characters that like he's got a face in a box right and he's got another character he puts down sometimes because they got the characters made out of his hand and then he puts it down sometimes right and there's a lot of puppets in play and some of them are talking even when they're not on stage they're they're the box is closed and or the puppets put down on the table and the puppets are still he has them chime in from off stage i feel like that's generous it's like giving them stage time even when like he wants to share the stage so i feel like to me that's not uh it doesn't feel the same as other ventriloquist it feels loving and generous anything more you want me to say about ventriloquism we've done it all i don't know what what do you think about willie tyler willie tyler and lester or do you feel you don't really are not you're not allowed to comment well you know i don't want to to uh first of all i have no idea who that is second of all you really don't if i'm already in in trouble in hot water with the puppetry community i'm not gonna start commenting publicly and really tyler was a ventriloquist he may still be at ventriloquist he was very popular in the 70s and the 80s and perhaps still very popular today and i don't want to take that away from him okay if he is lester was the name of his dummy yeah he's still around willie tyler's still around he's 81 years old and he's still around yeah i will also say by the way that even the ventriloquists that i don't like and who i say are are are fighting with their puppets and everything people also ask how old is willie tylenoster and the second question is okay yeah like um right people's you um google searches are really crass um so yeah so i was just saying that even the ventriloquists that i don't like they're still talented artists who have given much joy to many many people and and uh i appreciate that what all the ventriloquist what do i think particularly about edgar bergen i haven't seen enough of charlie mccarthy mortimer snerd frankly charlie mccarthy and mortimer nerves i'll tell you i'm i'm not a fan of charlie mccarthy's politics you ruined a lot of lines ruined a lot of lives and i think it was a it was a very uh it was a black mark on american history charlie mccarthyism yeah charlie mccarthyism there's a major issue so you know that's that's another bad mark in the ventriloquism book yeah that they the charlie house committee on un-american affairs which was led by a ventriloquist dummy yeah it's crazy that ventriloquist dummy would rise to such prominence does anyone think that's funny nobody thinks it's funny i don't know who charlie mccarthy is the very niche interests that are overlapping there yeah okay surely somebody must think charlie mccarthyism is a funny thing to say yeah there's probably someone out there who thinks that's a funny thing to say charlie mccarthyism you know what state mccarthy was from iowa wisconsin good guys close close you know it was one of those states next to illinois right yeah yeah wisconsin yep um no you ever heard of the horror film called magic no it's about a ventriloquist whose dummy tries to kill him okay that seems like uh like a common trope is a scary puppet it is interesting to me by the way in general how puppets bring a lot of people a lot of joy and also you know what is the first thing you think of when you think of puppet says oh creepy puppets uh all right is that the scary puppet from the horror movie no that's anthony hopkins with his scary puppet which one is anthony hopkins um okay what do you want to say about this film well i think it's playing upon this idea of the puppet being uh a threat is that why you think puppets are creepy uncanny valley yeah but also because they threaten the performer well ventriloquist dummies maybe yeah i think it's about the threat it's like you're interesting you're asserting yourself as a humanoid is a threat to my humanity so wait are you suggesting i think it's similar to like a frankenstein's monster where you have this humanoid entity which is like encroaching on what it means to be human so are you suggesting that when the when the ventriloquists argue with their puppets and and demean the puppets and fight against them they're not just doing it on their own behalf because they don't want to do it on behalf of humanity and i'll prove it to you well or i will attempt to prove it to you by drawing a parallel to another fear and i think it's scary for the same reason aliens okay okay aliens i'm talking about little grey doctors and by the way i am trying to bring in a new audience of ancient aliens ancient astronauts who spoke about those yesterday yeah talk about like aliens like roswell type aliens with no mouth and they stick i think they have no mountain to communicate telepathy actually alpha isn't scary alpha's not scary but um unless you're a cat that's a great reference um so uh i wonder if we can get max wright on this show [Music] have to check something i think he's probably available um while you're looking up max wright and i don't want to and maybe see if he has the same agent as willie tyler and will yeah 2019. oh okay i didn't want to say anything to make anybody sad and be sensationalistic but unfortunately max wright famous for playing willie tanner yes um so what people are afraid of aliens why are they afraid of aliens because aliens are also humanoid and they threaten our humanity and therefore when we fight the aliens who's the we humanity in fact one of the great if hollywood tropes are to be believed one of the great unifying factors that can bring all races together all countries this is how they should this is what they should do with putin she said tell him there's an alien it's an alien attack by the way it's not it's not just in fiction we talked about it yesterday the actual united nations trade space treaty that's right says that all of space belongs to all countries of the world equally so it unites us it unites us in sort of a chauvinistic way where we are excluding anyone so it's very interesting that in order to have unity you have to have exclusion as well which reminds me of the old yiddish joke right unity against whom i mean it does does all type all unity imply that um maybe not in theory but quite often in practice the best way to unite people is against the common enemy right and that's that's what that's what charlie mccarthy plays that's what charlie mccarthy played on he played on everyone's fear yeah so um pesach has come did you have any actual deep thoughts to share yeah i do have some deep thoughts to share to ruminate on um you want any any more uh as long as you're gonna be ostracized from the puppeteering community have any other hot takes on puppetry yeah puppetry or anything related no i'm one foot no i can't think of any other other puppet related hot takes that i have mm-hmm okay and uh what did you feel about uh i will tell you yeah one this isn't a hot take but this is when i i sometimes give like puppeteering crash courses and there's there's three parts of it i'm not gonna don't do all three but there's one one thing one rule is if you can even at home those that watching at home can do this right now if you do a puppet with your hand or you pick up a puppet you have nearby and you just have the puppet say like hello my name is mr puppet steinberg or whatever right but dude do it do it hello you just did it right do you know that you did it you said hello you closed your mouth on the opposite it should really be hello right you want to open up before you hello oh closed on the sound as opposed to hello which is complete it should be hello because if you try to do that with your face close your mouth before you make a sound you can't do it right you've got to open your mouth so interesting to talk why is that why do people do that i don't know i think i don't know it's so interesting it's the opposite it's literally the opposite maybe it has hello it's like like you're biting the word not letting it come out maybe there's it's something about the difference between like deborah and myself it's like our hands are made to grab like that's what we're use that's the action when we're if we're acting with our hands hands it's counter-intuitive to let go see your mouth let's go it opens in order to express itself but your hand grabs in order to express itself that's right and what and to let go is very counterintuitive almost like counter to our survival instinct because when when it's a life and death situation you grab on tight you open your mouth and you let out a voice and you take your head and you grab on to whatever you can grab onto so the hand wants to grab on the mouth wants to right release so i've i've trained my hand the other way to the extent that sometimes when i've made like animatronic puppets where i have to push down on the button or like do the action on the on the off beat like i can't do it i have to that would rewire my brain so i have to program it to be able to it's like the guy learned how to ride the backwards bike and then about you know about the backwards bike guy made a bike that when you turn it right it goes left you turn it left it goes right and he fell like a hundred times and then he learned how to ride it and then the funny thing is they put him on a regular bike and then he fell and he fell off i know there was a guy who had glasses that made everything upside down for a while then he got used to it that would be hell and then he took it off and everything was upside down to him yeah everything was weird i would that would just be torture wow okay so uh you want to talk about pesach yeah please the the idea here other than the fact that david's in town and so we want to uh just do some fun stuff is that we figure people are pesach cleaning that's what i'm figuring and oh you just put this on in the background okay because i felt terrible that we've just wasted an hour of people's precious time because they can't turn it off listening to puppetry fun facts you want to know who's listening to this right now nobody when is anyone going to listen to this at three in the morning there's going to be either some lady who's like boiling three work three weeks worth of of of borscht or it's gonna be some guy who's trying to find a home depot that's open till one in the morning so he can buy cardboard to put down on the on the countertop or whatever you know all the fun peso stuff that goes on and they're gonna be listening to this on one and a half speed i'm being generous to say one and a half okay i didn't want to say the truth okay double speed and uh they don't i can't listen to anything on double speed 175 is my max go on and uh they're just enjoying the fact that they're getting some clean humor they don't have to worry that we're gonna talk about anything offensive or racy or or uh off-color so they know it's safe and uh maybe they'll get a little bit of jewish content a little yiddish thrown in there and some of them actually appreciate this there's a guy out there like the charlie mccarthyism joke he liked it yeah he chuckled for you and if you if you chuckled with the charlie mccarthyism joke we would like to hear from you and we'll give you a little words yamaka oh this is yamaka it says you can't really see it it says soul words on the other side looks like it says 7-eleven but it really says call schmidt so if you uh now people are going to say they like the joke just for the yarmulker you have to explain the joke then don't just say you have to explain the joke why it was meaningful to you contact us if you were you you email rabbi soulwords.org rabbi dot rbi at soul words s-o-u-l-w-o-r-d-s dot org and explain why the charlie mccarthyism joke was funny to you and you'll get a soul words yarmulke mailed anywhere in the united states i'm not sending it outside of the united states mailed anywhere inside the united states that's the deal the mouth that speaks okay not pesach that's not a mouth that speaks that's a mouth that doesn't speak it's the opposite and pesach's about speaking it's about telling the story the haggadah is a story a god actually means telling like a magette is one who tells stories and haggadah is a booklet that guides you in telling the story did you i'm sorry do you mind if have your off did you s did you look at that letter from the semi-solid that i sent you a couple of weeks ago no i didn't is it someone said explaining to i believe i believe in a footnote it said that it was it was meant to be seen by authorities i don't know if someone said i wrote it to the authorities or wrote it to somebody else to give to the authorities to explain to them the difference between hasidim and misnon and i'm using the term snogden because that's like the term that the semester uses in the letter um but trying to explain why they need why there's different shoals and and so he explains why the different filters told him about the guy who was uh washed up on a desert island he didn't tell that joke and if kai and cohn were here we'd appreciate because you told the punchline i know you didn't tell them you didn't even tell me i told the setup of the joke without without actually telling this we all know it we all know the joke all right um but yeah so so part of it was that there's different the israel has a different nosak and you have to have a different troll because you're dying different right um and then he starts explaining that he says there's two different types of rabbis there's a rabbi who yeah is a sucked in who you a ruling or uh yeah some sort of stock in halakhah that you you ask ashila to and there's the chicken kosher and it's a chicken kosher and then there's a rabbi who is a magid who speaks to people and this is why i thought of it because you're talking about that's very interesting and he says this is what he says is that the difference is there are that not all my githum are particularly great i'm not gonna this is a as a personal subject for you of like rating how good public speakers are so but um some people have different talents and whatever not necessarily is the local guy gonna be the best market right sometimes you have to get somebody from out of town and so you there's there's a you can there's a different way to prioritize do you prioritize getting the best guys to come in from out of town and speak and go or they go around from town to town talking but you don't have constant uh it's not constant or you have a local guy who can speak to people all the time and there's another particularly a constant influence yeah and these and the temex said that's a difference between the hasidic community and the non-hasidic community is that the hasidic community prefer fewer but have them travel around less quantity more quality and the misnon preferred to have more uh more consistent right influence from from the magnet and have the local ones and he says he says specifically like both are our valid ways of doing it they're just different ways they're both valid approaches but our approaches have less speeches but better ones when you have them yeah right that's fascinating isn't that interesting i don't know if that if that's still a difference if the cultures have changed but i thought that was an interesting distinction you know when the rabbit was being interrogated that the tamar said it's grandfather the balatanya the altar so when he was in prison they were interrogating him and one of the things they were trying to uh determine was whether or not he had created a new religion it's a whole story a whole background why the russians were nervous about new religions but the kits are because you know talk with you're talking about the 1790s so there just been a revolution in france and apparently a lot of the revolutionaries in france were involved in new religions like uh you know i don't even know what the new religions were in 1780s france but uh you know be like today like scientology hi scientology um or uh you know even mormonism you know it's like very very new right it's a new new religion so uh the russians were very nervous about new religions because they didn't want there to be a revolution and they thought if someone had a new religion that it could be part of a revolutionary movement now of course we know that 110 years later there was or 120 years later there was a revolution anyway and overthrew the tsar but the altareb had to prove that he was not starting a new religion or part of a new religion and one of the ways he had to do so is they asked him where do you get the material for your sermons like that was that was a big line of question where do you get the material for your sermons and he said i get them from kabbalah and he mentioned sodom that didn't really surprise me like i was i saw and i was like yeah it makes sense he said you know kiss ferraris one of the things that really surprised me is he said chef tal okay chef towels not i i wouldn't think of that as like your top four or fives for him but he said the chef chef tal was the nephew of the of the shalom and uh what's interesting is the alt rabbit doesn't mention the shallow and i was always told that on the shah blood of tanya who says me peace form a piece of him that the shallow was one of the sophrim but he doesn't mention there in the it was a deposition to the to the state anyways the the a lot of the questions were about his his uh his sermons and he explained like what the function of a maggot is and how often they speak and and what they speak about and then it kind of like it occurred to me like you're reminding me now by telling me about this letter from the tsimak sadiq it occurred to me that the altar but we call them the altar because it was and others call the balatanya but or some people call them but do you know contemporaneously to the how people referred to him especially uh in the in well in the early during his early leadership but the way he was referred to was the the yajna margaret oh i think i have heard that before but that uh it's not in the top of my head i mean later he went to lyadi but uh he was referred to as liajner magette the market of yoshna like that was considered his primary you know it's like when you when you have to write like a short bio and you have to like write like a few words so you're right renowned speaker and you're always like renowned speaker like what does that even mean renowned who is there any way to quantify that there's any way to back that up speaker even the word speaker everyone speaks what does it mean he got up at his cousin's cheva brachas and he said a vort like what's what's renowned speaker it seems like a silly thing to write you mean you want to write you know that somebody is the rabbi of a particular congregation okay that's an actual position renounced speaker is not a position and yet it seems that historically that that was a position and it was like a very defined role and that's why what you're telling me is fascinating about the what the tsa wrote i was wondering if when he if with this the letter from the temple sonic when he was talking about a margin he was trying to explain i was i wonder wondering if you're trying to explain the concept of a rabbit or like or or if he was just talking about regular a regular maggot very interesting well in the times of the tamartzadek the temperature himself um had siddham i think that was like the largest growth period of chabad historically as far as numbers so he had siddham from a very large region geographically speaking so there would have been siddham of the tamartzadek who rarely saw him so i don't know if that's what he was referring to the idea that these that that he was the maggid and that they saw that they didn't hear him how often did somebody hear a mime from the time you know could be once a year could even be once in a while yeah maybe it was explaining this idea of having this one central figure for a larger community that spread out and that they don't always and they had mushrim who would go around from town to town that was more common like the story of the rabbi who the the mashpiya came to him and said when i go to khazersidis i feel very good about how well i'm delivering the the my mirror the it's causing me guy that's causing me arrogance that you should even if you become an onion which that itself is a what does that mean um but you should continue to teach but uh yeah those were mashpeem they would they would give hazara of my modem they weren't magee them it's different than a maggot right so maybe it's maybe he's referring to remember the dubna magid had uh there's a story that another margaret came to him once and said i don't understand how come you're so much more popular than me we both know that a mag at the end of the day there's you just go on whatsapp and you see what you know what vertala people are forwarding around and that's it you know how many verto are there how many stories are there how many uh how many jokes are there and basically what you do we all we all do the same thing you take the same vote and you know from one out of a thousand verto look and for one out of a thousand jokes and you just move it around and you put it together and how come you're so much more popular than me we do the same thing so um the the maggot told the guy he's like well let me i'll tell you muscle for that which was his thing i was i'm a marshal for that so he says the one they were once two gang of him there were two thieves and these thieves specialized in in shoes they would steal shoes but one of them would steal shoes and sell the shoes the other one would steal shoes until he had enough shoes to start taking apart the shoes and swapping the parts so he would take the buckle from one and put it on another and he would take the the heel from one and put it on a different one until he had original styles and he became a fashion designer so so he said you're right we're both getting off them right we're both just recycling the same old stuff but if you're uh if you put it together in a new way so then then you're a fashion designer so it's about uh how you put it together uh yeah i haven't heard that before i really like that yeah all right you were talking about pesach i gotta yeah i got it right right yeah right it means the telling kagoda means the telling means tell it tell it tell the to tell a story sipor is a story also means to shine that's uh to polish yourself to shine yourself to make yourself glow yeah so uh what was i thinking about that i don't know i assumed you were going somewhere i was no you're the dummy were you thinking about it before we started talking or like during while we were talking it came up into your head so like if i go back through some of the ideas that we're talking about does that help or yeah but it's gonna take too long and then the guy who's sitting in front of the home depot that's open at 1am it's not a home depot there's no home dupe open at 1am but he's oh yeah i'm spreading false hope lead people off i am spreading false hope especially because this guy just he stormed out at 11 pm and he told his wife there are no home depots open at 1am and he got in the car and he turns on spotify and he's hearing me saying he's looking for the home depot open up whatever he's like oh my gosh i'm going to have to apologize i'm going to apologize anyway but now i'm okay so no there but there may there may be a super walmart yeah are they called super walmart's super duper walmart's there was a such thing called the super kmart but now there's no more kmart at all i think it's called what's the big walmart called big walmart so there's probably a big walmart open at 1am there's a guy going there looking for corrugated plastic right now he's walking in he's like looking for someone with what do they have the blue aprons at walmart i don't know i don't know walmart not very often though uh-huh and he's looking around and says is there any corrugated plastic that guy just left with a whole car to no well other jewish guy came yeah because he was sitting in the parking lot he was sitting in the parking lot listening yeah the charlie mccarthyism right and then and then he paused he was like oh i want to get that yarmulke rabbi at oh is it sillworts.org so where's sillworts.org swords.com hold on he went back to spotify and then he went back too far and then he went in and somebody beat him he's like corrugated plastic that guy just left with a whole card of it oh no yeah see what you did i ruined a guy's life his whole family had it ever ruined his life by making you think of trying to think of the interesting thing you were trying to say yeah by taking too long and now some guy gonna let down his whole family we were talking about puppetry rules open your mouth when you talk you're talking about pesach your mouth that speaks we're talking about how gutter a goddess you know speaking you know the mouth it's open your mouth oh yeah so there was a shul where nobody would dive in together it was terrible they just couldn't dive in together and you had one guy saying vahalay made a glam you often law and the other guy saying if anybody got that joke and chooses to be offended you don't have to get that joke interesting and i think if you do get that joke you can handle it and the kind of people who can't handle that joke don't get it kind of like tyler mccarthyism do you think there are people who if they got the charlie mccarthyism joke they'd be like oh too soon um yeah oh sure too soon oh sure i'm sure there are people that will be very offended that you're joking about mccarthyism yeah sure i mean not that long ago yeah no i look i admit charlie mccarthy ruined a lot of lives i i'm not i'm not denying that so uh there's there's there's there's there's a possibility um i think that's the possible you can google it why our calendar is the way it is so um well it's related to why a calendar is the way that it is yes very good that one of uh one of the signs well now we have a calendar that's set up in advance but one of the signs that you need a leap year is when uh spring is going to be uh too soon you need to push it off so if you don't have a leap year then pasic will end up getting sooner and sooner and sooner because of the shortfall because a lunar year 12 times 29 in a and a quarter a fraction is not in a fraction which is a solar year so you can have a shortfall every year it's just going to get sooner and sooner so you got to do is add a a elite month every so often by the way i want to say i think ramadan just started did it yeah so to the muslims watching is appropriate to say happy ramen i know i don't know i don't know they are right i believe it's ramadan right now and why am i mentioning ramadan only because it's interesting to me because i can think about through my lifetime april 1st april 1st so it's coming right up where ramadan has been in the winter ramadan has been in the summer because the islamic calendar to my understanding is purely lunar it's pure and does not attempt to reconcile with the solar year and that's why ramadan at different at different times will just go around the seasons so really if you've got the money to do so i want to just to my muslim friends i want to recommend something to you this is our little life by the way the proper the according to google the proper greeting is and i'm not going to pronounce this correctly yeah i could spell it like i did with bun raku but i'm gonna it's all it's ramadan mubarak oh mubarak yeah i mean it's like well blessed yeah blessed oh that means it's like yeah is that what it means that's what according to google i mean have a blessed ramadan anyways that's great so um what was he saying i don't know i have a life hack for my muslim friends yes i figured this out maybe you figured it out too but from a jewish cousin i want to share something with you i figured out there are different fast days um in the jewish calendar now one of them is yum kippur which is 26 hours and there's nothing you can do about that it's just it's 26 hours because before sundown till that after the next day's sundown but there are fast days that are from sunrise to sunset and what you do is not that i ever did this but i came up with this idea years ago is that like let's say you wake up at four in the morning and have a cup of coffee like people tell you to do i do that for the morning coffee i almost always do that you wake up or stay up all right it's my personal business david okay but at any rate um what you do is like this let's say it's like uh sort of a tavis that's always in the winter in the jewish calendar so that's a good time right that fast is over by like 4 30 5 p.m worst case but then let's say like shiva survitamos which is always like july so what do you do you go to australia right you go to the southern hemisphere where the seasons are reversed and it's winter over there so it's not really worth it for one day it's like you can dream about it but what i would do if i were you i want to recommend and you can send me your uh smash that subscribe button and if you disagree with our ramadan hack let us know in the comments that's right what i would do if i were you is when ramadan is like in december january or whatever so then you stay in the northern hemisphere what would you say but if ramadan is in like june or july then you go to the southern hemisphere go to argentina or go to south africa or go to australia now i just realized that i'm really only suggesting something that is good for people who have my body clock because there's some muslim guy listening to me right now and it's like oh i'm going to do that that rabbi said that that sounded good but he's he's a he's an early riser and he gets up at 5 a.m no matter what and he's like i've been hungry for 12 hours this is awful so part of the hack is you have to be somebody who wakes up i don't want to say late but you're not rushing to wake up with the crack of dawn and then when sunset comes in at 4pm it's like oh this is great the day was only like five and a half hours long right take that to the bank okay just trying to be helpful i'm just trying to help i think it is helpful okay anyways did you remember your deep thought about pesach so it's the springtime it says keep the month of the spring and make a peso make a pascal offering to the lord and uh yeah so where did i see this i think it was a myth of claudia actually where you know wrote letters a few times a year open letters pastoral letters pastoral letters that's what they're called that's technically it's called and um he says what does oh pesach is called spring festival so what is the meaning of that name like peso has many names pesach which means jumping so everything has to be instructive everything in total has to be a director has to be teaching you to do something so pesa the message of pesach that's a message which is it means jumping skipping it means uh you know don't don't uh necessarily respect convention when you need to do something good just you know fast forward get the results done um then there's some the jagamatsu matzah is the flat bread represents humility so there's an instruction there's a teaching it's telling you to do something telling me to be humble telling you to flatten your ego or uh it's also called the time of our liberation so that that's telling you to do something it means to behave like a free person and don't uh don't don't feel uh behold into these made up rules that really uh you know if if you if you would have realized that when you were 11 years old you really didn't have to listen to adults how much better your life would be right well now you're the adult why are you still listening to you just stop doing it just do what you got to do and stop being intimidated by this adult voice that's telling you rules and just all right anyways um that's that's his mouth the festival of the springtime what is that telling you oh how is it instructed because and and this is the premise of the question the seasons actually it says i think you're myo says he calls the seasons means laws but it's also related to the word kakika engravings in other words the seasons are like engraved in nature laws of nature the laws of nature right there's nothing you can do about it you can't resist it when it's springtime it's springtime there's nothing you can do um in fact after the the flood one of the things that god promises humanity through noah is that he's not going to mess with the seasons right the seasons are set they're set okay so if you tell somebody i'm going to teach you somebody says rabbi tao please teach me an inspiring life lesson and you say it's springtime right and it's like well it's going to be spring regardless of anything i do so how is where's the human what am i supposed to do with that right what i'm supposed to do with that spring is spring whether i want it to be spring or not whether i vote oh yeah i vote i i agree that it should be spring we don't need your vote we don't need your consent spring is gonna and if you say no i won't let it be spring i'm sorry buddy whether you want it to be springtime or not spring is gonna come whether you want it or not so where's the instruction or the the there's no better choice we can make that we're being taught about right right there's no choice at all to be made yeah so this is an interesting question right that's a very interesting question yeah you think about it like i just i i like that idea that like it comes down to making better choices like all of the lessons titanium lush and hydraulic everything should be like all right so this is giving me some sort of tool to make a better choice and than i previously have been making but what in what way does springtime do that for us exactly so uh here's the thing in life there are some things that we can choose and some things that we have no choice over what's the expression about death and taxes what is what i think that uh like all things are avoidable in life except for death and taxes okay right isn't that uh have taxes our taxes in taxes in the united states are the tax filing data's in the spring is that common like currently across globally or and also throughout time or is that just a unique thing about that's a very good question by the way nothing is certain but death and taxes is a proverb that means one cannot avoid the the inevitable the origin of the phrase is generally attributed to benjamin franklin everything is attributed yeah if you're ever in doubt mark twain or benjamin franklin just okay um it is a good question whether tax day is universally in the springtime um if you think about markets mahathir shackle it's in other which is always the springtime so there is a biblical basis for tax collection happening in the spring maybe related to agriculture not really sure about that but that's interesting because if taxes is related to the springtime then it's very related to the idea here that spring represents that which is inevitable and that's really the idea here there are certain inevitabilities in life there are certain laws of nature in the universe such as when the spring comes there's nothing you can do about it spring's coming okay and then in the microcosm there are laws of nature that govern the human being so you got to eat you got to sleep there's nothing you can do about that you can push it off you know it talks about in gemada and the rambam brings it if somebody takes a a vow or an oath that he's not going to sleep for three days so they give him uh lashes for violating the oath and then they put him to bed because there's no such thing there's no way he's gonna have to sleep wait they put him to bed immediately yeah they beat him up and put him to bed has he been attempting to stay up at some point or did they do it immediately you said hold on one second before it even starts hello is this avraham abba from abba i'm here with fatih david with beloved uncle david and we're live we're live on youtube yeah um you want to just you want to say hello you're on speaker to the world yeah say hi oh hello to everybody thank you abba okay um can i call you back or is this the only time you can talk you know that uh label shempt have gotten engaged today that's a tough yeah okay so when when do you want to talk for this portion of the program while we're waiting for my brother to end his phone call i'm going to make whale sounds well not too close [Music] we gotta we gotta break soon anyway because of minha and that's one of the inevitabilities okay so let me tell you about the inevitability so you gotta eat you gotta sleep you gotta go to the bathroom you know biological needs can be pushed off but never avoided in the end you have to face the facts so here is the lesson of to celebrate the spring it's very interesting by the way because celebrating the spring is a universal pagan rite like stravinsky's rite of spring which caused riots by the way you don't know that when they performed stravinsky's rite of spring did it cause riots yeah because it was musically so cutting edge it was so exciting that it just made people go no disturbing that was disturbing yeah yeah it was so disturbing it caused riots wow yeah i i know that about the song my way it apparently causes my way song has caused a rash of um murders called the my way killings but that's endemic to the philippines or maybe even more specifically manila in manila there's been what what are called the myway killings people get up at karaoke bars which are very people think i'm joking this is not a joke this is not like charlie mccarthyism people get up at karaoke bars karaoke is popular in a lot of asian cultures and they get up at karaoke bars in manila in the philippines and they sing frank sinatra's my way i believe it's specifically frank sinatra's my way not any of the covers right and remember what you said before about parodies i think elvis is my way it was a parody okay i think it was um and at the very least johnny rottens my way was a okay was it sid vicious is it vicious yeah he was jewish right i have no idea i think he was you want to google that thing said vicious or jewish anyways uh in so in manila in the philippines people will get shot in a karaoke bar for singing um my way and the explanation is that it's considered an arrogant song so you're like taunting the crowd hey you did it my way yeah who are you to do it your way and then you get up and you shoot the guy singing my way yeah that's worse than what happened to chris rock you found out sid vicious is jewish i'm not saying anything okay anyways um inevitabilities inevitabilities so you can't push off certain facts um so that's the lesson of haga okay so why are we celebrating that okay oh and i'm saying the pagans they la oh okay so listen pagans yeah okay people against goodness and normalcy so the pagans you know what oh like stravinsky's right of spring which was actually about paganism okay or i don't think it's real of azota i think it was his attempt at like what aveda's auto would look like so i think it's just his made up thing you have to have to ask someone who's in the sanhedrin whether or not stravinsky's right of spring is actually a way to zone it i think it's it's it's it is like the 16 year olds in the forest are devil worshipers like right yeah they're like making it up as they go along at any rate um what does it think so the pagans love the spring but why do the pagans love the spring because they love the inevitability of the power of nature they say because nature's so powerful you have to surrender to it and by the way hitler yamashima was a pagan and he wrote about the power of nature and that's why he said that the the weak must be destroyed he said the jewish people they taught now i'm going to get the real good youtube comments coming in but he said that quoting mineconf on your your podcast so he said that the jews convinced everybody through christianity they convinced everyone to let the weak survive but the law of nature is that the weak have to be destroyed so that the power of nature can prevail so the pagans they love the power of nature but they roll over for it and they say that's it just the power of nature let it let it have its way with me and that's what they worship they work worship nature le havdil the jewish perspective which is embodied in the notion of is it is inevitable certain things are laws of nature you have to eat you have to sleep you have to procreate you have to go to the bathroom these things are inevitable but when you have to do it do it like a mensch in other words being a mensch doesn't mean being an angel where you don't have biological needs but it doesn't mean being an animal where you surrender to your biological needs being a mensch means yeah inevitably i'm gonna have to eat at some point i have to eat but when i eat let me make sure the food that i eat is kosher let me make a blessing on it let me have intention that i'm eating it in order to have nutrition to serve hashem and to do acts of goodness and kindness so the lesson of even the festival of the springtime is that when the inevitable happens when nature takes its course you sanctify it so all of our biological needs and functions have a holy way of being performed that's the lesson i'm thinking about it yeah basically there's choices you can make even when there's no choices there are choices to make even when there are no choices and that's the real freedom the freedom is the choice you make when you've been given no choice all right you're sitting on a train you're gonna get from point a to point b sitting on the train the train's gonna go to the station well there's a million things you can do while you're while you're sitting on the train are you gonna play solitaire or are you gonna open a safer and learn something right that's right i busk on the train well if you need money you'd bust with your puppets uh no i i bust playing the saxophone but while i have a puppet which is also busking doing something completely different they can do whatever they want i once got on a subway car and i tried to do the uh gymnastics flipping around on the handrails isn't it busking oh you haven't been to new york huh i came to new york for two days and i'm sorry i didn't take you on the subway so if you go on the subway yeah these very athletic young men will jump when the doors are about to close they'll just jump aboard and they'll grab onto the handrails they start flipping around and like like the jesse white tumblers but on a banana subway train and it's very impressive so you tried to do that once yeah and it didn't end well i found this on the web for its berry check it out go away siri go away i don't like this so you can't control the robot apocalypse that's outside of your control but when it happens you can be a mensch you didn't have to yell at siri now we've come full circle to all of those who have whom i have offended including now siri yeah okay i think also anybody who who themselves if they're still alive or their ancestors were victims of charlie mccarthy and his terrible witch hunts also i apologize yeah anything else we want to say what was the point is yeah it thinks you can't even even even when things are out of your control you can make choice about how you even when things are out of your control you can make choices about how you do them so you're gonna have to eat but eat like a mensch and other facts biological facts of the human condition see i'm keeping it clean here because maybe somebody's basic cleaning and their 15 year old kid is home from yeshiva and he's listening right and they say oh you know what they then you should listen to listen to blood brothers and his brother david and i got it i got news for you whatever i'm talking about here in the dorm rooms they could find a lot worse okay so ha levi the worst thing they should hear is uh charlotte so does this connect to senior wences also even though he he was doing a ventriloquism act which by its very nature is antagonistic and mean i mean spirited he chose to be mentioned about him be loving and generous yeah but i don't i don't think that's a great example because i don't think ventriloquism is inherent of nature i don't think it's a force of nature here's the ventriloquism is coming there's nothing i can do about it we can do it we can't stop it in 24 hours this whole planet's gonna be covered with nothing but guys by the way i think that is how anybody who has ever seen a ventriloquism act on stage has has felt is this is coming and there's nothing i think audiences yeah that way yes this is a force of nature that i cannot stop but yeah i can sit and learn this well while the ventriloquist is doing this thing yeah just just like or i can be a kind and and and respectful audience to the ventriloquist make him point out the things i like right you think there's a correlation between ventriloquists and mean-spirited humor because i think there is and and i and i would make a heck-ish between ventriloquist and prop comics and i think there's a ridiculously high correlation between ventriloquist and prop comics and mean-spirited humor unfortunately i think most comics rely on mean-spirited humor and there are a lot of comedians who i hear all the time claiming like you want to take this out of comedy like this is he's a comedian he's allowed to say mean things but like i don't i think it would be cool if we all decided it wasn't stop making fun of people don't be mean stop ripping on people well yeah the entire world became like a junior high like everyone was just ripping on you that's comedy comedy is ripping on people like there's one thing self-deprecating humor you want you want to laugh at yourself or even you could say like punching up as a form of social criticism or satire like uh like a jonathan swift or george carlin by the way you know there's someone from like nyu who wrote a paper once i had like in the subtitle jonathan swift to george carlin yeah after the colon right after the colon exactly something something right right um but just ripping on people just ripping on people we got to stop it yeah i agree that is not a force of nature and i just want to clarify that this is not against chris rock he was doing his job okay well no it's a it's it's not about any single person it's just it's about the culture ripping on people why do we constantly rip on people that's that's the only comedic fodder is to mock people as somebody who makes a lot of jokes and is often paid to make jokes um first of all a lot of the places that i have been paid to make jokes there hasn't been any room for making like that's not it wasn't even an option so that often challenged me to figure out like all right there's got to be ways to be funny that isn't making fun of anybody right and it is a challenging thing to do and i think it ultimately it it uh uh encourages creativity fosters creativity you think that making fun of people is just it's easy it's too easy it's like toilet humor toilet humor to me is above above making fun of people because toilet humor at least is grappling with with the forbidden could you tell everyone your thing about the whoopee cushion that was labeled for mature audiences only i didn't talk about this on here ever maybe you did just say it again um free bird it's one of my favorite doubled riffs just that there is a uh a a app on the [Music] we gotta wrap soon right yeah there's an app on the google play store it was like the flatulence sound app and uh it was marked as for um marked for mature audiences for mature audiences yeah because like like this isn't listen it's not for little kids this is for some you have to be sophisticated to handle the flatulence noise app yeah okay well talk about inevitabilities it was inevitable that we would have scraped the bottom of the barrel if it would stay on long enough all right thank you everybody hold on i'm gonna play the bumpy music okay okay play the bumper music [Music] you