CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 74 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansk

[music] >> Good morning rabbis. We're doing the mercy of this morning. We're holding on the iron gimmick on the base. A little bit lower than the halfway part. 25 lines from the bottom approximately. Kim and as the heart of none over the shimon. Now, these two sheets of that a guy could bring only an island. Guy could bring all different types of carbon. So how do we reconcile this? It says shiver the bottom is king best in the Messiah come home. There were seven things that the guy discussed earlier. Two of them, one more thing. Seven things that the best in instituted. That what? I think I have them in lots of deals I am. If a non-Jew sends a carbon. From out of the country. The shiloh even as a hell. This carbon comes together with wine and other stuff and he sends a pouch of cash. He sends an animal plus cash. Crave a Michelle so then you use the cash to buy the wine. Why can't they just send wine? The boys are working and just send wine. Because then become you're not so kind of send wine. So he sends cash. Crave a Michelle the middle crave a Michelle the board. And if you're not going to use if you didn't send money, then we the base I make those were responsible. For his wine. Says the guy let me say clearly the choir it only goes according to say clearly who says what? That a guy could bring any type of carbon including wine. The lawyer because he gives us only an island not wine. I feel like they give this to go according to I love the whole when I say I love I mean everything that goes together with an island. And wine goes you can't bring an island without wine. It goes together with with the with the island. Okay, next one. Man tunnel of the time of Ezra. It says by the second. What's the second? The second is when you pour the wine you give wine. As I may be in the second but I don't have to go and say it seems like only a citizen could bring wine. They know they can have a maybe the second and I don't worship or cannot bring wine. You have lost the tone of the second. So I would say oh if if a guy can't bring wine so then when he brings an island he shouldn't bring wine with it. But the island always goes with wine. Says the guy Mara. Time to learn Kaka. No, he brings wine. Money. Who does this go according to? The lawyer clearly the lawyer Kiva. You can't go according to either of them. Why? Because I can't believe I know a guy could bring wine by himself. Forget about with the island. He could bring a bottle of wine and give it to the base I make those. Here are the Kiva and the light. We already had to answer this one a second ago. But according to you don't bring wine. The guy only brings island. What's the guy answering? I would say clearly the lawyer Kiva. You go according to both. He would say clearly okay. Take away from the list the word wine and everything works. You buy some of the Kiva you're right. You can't say a guy could only bring an island. He didn't mean an island with nothing. Whatever goes together with the island. Usually you bring an island with the second. So the island goes with the second. Okay, the boys are we have a brand new Sugya. So all those who are spacing out. Who wake up now? Rib shimon min has the second Hannah. Rib shimon in the mission says rib shimon by Kive. He says that when a Kive brings a mincha. When he's a sinner. So when a person does certain of errors he's supposed to bring carbon island of a yard. Carbon island of a yard means that there's a scale to the to the carbon. If a person is wealthy he does this error let's say he swears falsely. Or he swears he swears that he doesn't know testimony let's say. So he if he's very wealthy he brings an animal. An animal could cost $1,000, $500. I had to buy a sheep few years ago. I have to buy another one now. We're going to do a real Kiva of a sheep in our sheer middle of the sheer. So it cost at least 500 500. A cow is like $2,000. So if you're wealthy you have to bring a nice hefty a good sheep. Let's say you don't have money. So you're allowed to bring birds. Birds are cheap. In fact if you come to my house I'll let you take all the pigeons from the roof over there. Garbage. But if you're very poor very very poor you can't even afford a bird. You can bring flour. Bring a little bit of flour. So that's the island of a yard. Island high up if you're wealthy you're ready if you're okay great. So says the guy Mara. If the Kive has to bring he sinned and has to bring a carbon he brings a mincha. He's so poor. That he brings flour. So he goes like this. He takes his hand. I'll show you a video because you guys haven't seen any of this. This is all in house eight to Z even the the the base I make those in the background had to be designed from scratch. Our guys designed it. He takes his hand and he takes three fingers worth. That's called a Kive. And he puts it into another bowl. When he puts it in the second bowl that bowl gives the Dusha. What do you do with the rest? You you started off with a giant bowl and he only took three fingers worth. So there's a Kive in the mission. Everybody holds that. The Kive has to get rid of it. He has to put it on the but the question is is it something separate or it goes to get according to he doesn't do this part. He doesn't take three fingers worth. According to he takes the whole bowl. And puts it on the dumps it turns it over on the back. According to by Kive no there's a procedure. First he takes three fingers worth and he puts that on the back. And then he takes the bowl and puts the rest on the left Kive that the bowl you could put at night. The the Kive is the main part is like the carbon that only goes during the day. Okay, it's a small Kive but that's the Kive. I don't know what the guy says we're holding like 78 lines from the bottom and I don't even know what he means. Where did shimon get this idea that first you do Kive then you put the rest on the back. The guy bottom. So we're going really into the first but the guy bottom. The highest Kive mincha. Whatever the Kive puts on the back has to be like a mincha. What does it mean like a mincha? Should they have a share boy? That a Kive he has the right. Listen to this. You know we have the concept of me a serum. If you're. If you're incarcerated you can't let yourself free. You need you need a warden. You need somebody else to let you out. A doctor usually doesn't do surgery on himself. He doesn't do procedures on himself. He goes to his friend. Hey could you could you help me out? Can a Kive do his own? He didn't have a he brings this mincha to the base I make those. Could he bring his own carbon? Could he do the whole procedure in the base I make those? Or he has to ask his friend to do it. So we need a positive to tell you that he could do it himself. >> [clears throat] >> I told him here. Excuse me. Why is the Kive mincha have a share boy? He himself is kosher to do it. I told him he doesn't have a share boy. He had the mincha of the second Hannah. Maybe means. The positive is coming to tell us that the Kive could eat it. Money coming has going call to you home. This positive is very important right over here. This positive tells us that. Anytime a Kive brings a carbon to the base I make those it must be burnt. Can never eat from it. So the guy now wants to say well maybe there's an exception to the rule. Maybe. Mincha the boss I this is talking about when he brings a carbon willingly. I have a but if he didn't have a and he must bring a carbon the guy has maybe should be able to eat it. I don't know for that there's a positive why is the guy mincha? He doesn't eat it. It should be like a mincha that he doesn't eat. The share between his carbon that's a and his carbon that's in the middle of the house of in the house. Great. I don't know if you know about the guy here comes the man. We're asking how does he know his because he comes in the yard goes over here. Does the does the positive say the highest of the guy mincha say that his mincha should be like his own mincha like the should be like a I should be like the other? I don't know I mean not his mincha but a general mincha. Hello you're right says the guy Mara. Hello mincha the boys I this this and we had a like this yesterday. This is more like. A limo daf. A bunch of Sugya. It's not a hard Sugya. But it's not the most fascinating Sugya. Because we have a lot of Sugya a lot of you learn it from here you learn from there. Once in a while there's a. A super interesting thing here. So says the guy Mara the second guy is the second guy. You're right we're going to learn the guy from the second not the guy from the guy himself but the guy from the second. The second guy is the second guy. I don't know what the second guy is the second guy. Oh. Um. Fight. The what? Says the shimon I argue that in fact there is a second. You go like this with the three fingers. Why? Because we learn it from a regular mincha of Israel. Says the guy mincha of Israel you're in the column. But you're allowed to eat the leftover from the Israel's mincha. I don't know what the second guy is the second guy. Perhaps you should be able to eat it. I don't know what the second guy is the second guy. The About the the part that goes in the fire is not like the mincha. Okay, so so what do we do? That's where God is the idea and that's the end of the Sugya that what? The Sugya says it's two parts. First he goes like this with his fingers he takes three fingers worth that's the so that's the matter that's the what gives the carbon the the kapara etc. And the rest is the the goes onto the as well at a later time. Great. Now, we mentioned before that a coin can do his own when he himself sinned and he brings the carbon he can do it. The positive we had before maybe it's from this positive that what? So this is very interesting. A coin could cut all lines. What is it? They are a sham. Messiah's coming any day, right? What's going to happen? Everybody's going to be running through the mikdash. Everybody. Imagine all the women who gave birth are going to come and bring her bonus. A woman who gives birth has to bring a carbon. You have five children how many cars is this? Minimum. Especially if you have money so you can have to bring 10 carbons for five children. Everybody who by mistake did a little on Shabbos boom. This is 20 per person minimum. So everybody's running to the mikdash. Comes the coin he says wait wait wait. I go to the front of the line. Front of the line. So a coin can break the line. How do I know? Cuz it says it's a positive. A coin comes whenever he feels like it. The he does the avodah. So you see from this positive also that a coin he can do his own carbon. If I learn from that positive maybe he can do his own on a carbon that doesn't come for a sin. I would have but something that does come for a sin he doesn't have the right to do his own carbon. I'll just read it normally. It says twice it says twice. It's a double third source that a coin could take care of his own carbon. I would say that's only when he did it by accident but he did it on purpose deliberately. So let me ask you a question this is a tough one. How in the world is a person bring a carbon when he does something deliberately? If it was let's say Shabbos and he deliberately Shabbos he doesn't bring a carbon. For that he gets like where would he bring a carbon? So the more answers the question. It's nothing sure. If somebody tells his friend listen I know you witnessed the car accident. I need you to come to the court and testify for me that I wasn't at fault and you say you have no idea what you're talking what he's talking about. I didn't see anything I don't know. He lied so and he lied deliberately for that he has to bring a carbon. Okay. So the same thing we're just going to bring another source that what? Says that when a coin sins and he brings a mincha he brings a bunch of flour. He takes the three fingers the by itself puts it on the and then he takes the rest and puts it on the there. He sat in the cave with him for 13 years. He argues with his own father. What does he say? Oh. So in the mikdash in the time there was three places that are called the place. I'm going to show you at least two of them. One of them was right next to the ramp of the place. There was a place on the floor that you put all sorts of things there. And they miraculously miraculously got sucked into the floor. They disappeared into the floor. There's another one outside on the place. That's where they put all the the carbons that need to be burned all sorts of things and then there's one outside of the place. Outside of the place. So says you take the rest of the flour and you sprinkle it on the place. That's what he says. Okay. So the more debates this. I have a problem with this. Which place are you talking about? Either or. So here's another one. Let me see if I can find it. Oh, right here. Check this out. If you see in the center in the center it's called the place. The place is where you put all the ashes. So if you're looking at the screen on the right side is a large flame large fire that's where most of the carbons go. There's also a fire that constantly burns that's in the back. But the the center that's where you take all the ashes of all the animals and you dump it in the middle and once in a while the would remove it. Every morning they would take coals. Anyway so that middle thing had coals on it hot coals. So what did he mean that you take the flour and you spread it on the place? Did he mean that? The ashes over there? Then he's saying the exact same thing as his own father which says you take the flour first you take the put it on the then you take the flour you put it on the there. So he says put it on the there and he says put it on the center of the but it's the same thing. It's on the there. Says the more either or. Maybe you're talking about this. Right there take from the place and move it outside of the place. There's also a place they would burn if a carbon is possible whatever. So maybe you meant to put it over there. So so he says okay. This is part of the the carbon the process of being a carbon. You're not a carbon outside of the place. To be on the there. How do you this this is like a garbage dump. This is not a place that you put a carbon. Well maybe what he meant is you have to actually destroy the flour not to be the flour. So you have to destroy the flour maybe it's outside of the place. Says the more you all make fun of him they started laughing. Haha. You heard what he said? What do you mean what do you mean you should destroy it? It has to be his father said call call call The positive I showed you before that anything that has to do with the coin they can't eat. It never gets eaten. I I made I made a this that you cannot eat it you can't eat it but not for other not for other things. In other words not for the burning part. The burning part no you do in the place. What's again? You take the flour and sprinkle it. It's a different thing. What does he mean? Why would he say that you take the flour and you sprinkle it on the place wherever that is we just said it's outside. It says in the positive we just read call you have to burn it not sprinkle it. Now if you were learning this with your friend I'm not so sure you would exactly what's going on here. It says in the positive coin call says the the way we read the positive is the red goes together with the red and the blue is by itself. In other words we read it but mincha coin Every mincha of a coin don't eat. It's talking about a different thing completely. You hear this? Call mincha call call It's talking about it's talking about a mincha that he must bring because he did a sin. And what do you do with it? You put it in the place. It means you you see the difference call means burn means don't eat. So saying yeah the positive saying two different things. But look how he reads it. It's very strange. This is what doesn't understand. How can you jump from the top of the positive to the bottom of the positive and pretend that there's nothing in between. He reads it. So let me show you hold on one minute Mark before you jump. Let's go back. Says Oh. You take this call to you chop it out. What do you do with it? Hold on. Oh. It's off the screen, but you get the idea. The whole minchas oil is what it says on that side of the screen, which is referring to the minchas the minchas of somebody that sinned. The middle part, the blue part is something else. That's a minchas nedava. That goes You see what he did over here, Abaya? Says Rava, I don't understand what you're doing. You just took a This is basically what Rava is asking. You took a sharp knife and you cut out the center of the pasuk and you made it something else and you took the top and the bottom of the pasuk and you you put them together. I mean, that's not fair. It's not how you read a pasuk. How you going to do this? Rava, so Rava agrees with Abaya. He He says you're right. The The pasuk is talking about two different things. Just let's read it straight. The first two parts of the pasuk are one thing and the last part of the pasuk is talking about the second thing. Isn't that the middle of the pasuk talking about another thing? Yeah, matters. Makes more sense now. The whole minchas oil is referring to minchas nedava that goes on the mizbeach. And the last part of the pasuk is talking about minchas oil. Great, which goes on the base addition. Hello, my name is oil. I mean the oil. That's the mizbeach. Take a look at the screen for a second. Maybe we could reverse it. In other words, Ah, you see that? Maybe the beginning of the pasuk is talking about a minchas oil and the minchas should go on the mizbeach. Oh, he fell asleep already. Never. Look at this. Look at this. I want to show you this. The technology. Check Check this out. You see that? Maybe we flip it. Schmak. You saw the flip? So, maybe the beginning of the pasuk is talking about uh oil and the end of the pasuk is talking about the nedava. So, it makes more sense that the the one that he has to bring as a nedava is similar to the she came to it's just we're going to treat it like minchas cuz it comes all the time. Like it doesn't come for sin. But some smells really good because you put the fragrances the in it. Some oil. Maybe we should completely destroy it. It's only one you saw him but a nedava. If you bring a nedava, does it know how many you saw him? Even if you saw him, can you bring maximum for a nedava? The answer is the famous color oil. If you're able to mix it, then you can bring as much as you want. What's the maximum that you can mix it and stir it in a bowl? 60 saw. So, you can bring a 60 saw. So, it's 60 times the amount of what we're talking about. So, there's two things that are similar. So, the position that we had three things that are similar to oil. So, three is more than two. And that's why three wins. What do you do with the pasuk that Shimon just learned that the oil when he brings his oil, he takes a and then he puts the rest on the mizbeach. So, here, just to show you what happened is let me see if I can get it. Just to make it easier. Pasuk is the upper. When you're looking at a What comes What comes first? Pasuk and pasuk. So, So, if you're holding a upwards like a So, pasuk is above pasuk. So, it's called the upper. Upper in the top pasuk. So, if you take a look over here at this this pasuk, it says that a This is referring to the minchas and it says at the end there's a there's a issue called You must burn it. Next pasuk, pasuk nine. That's called It says more other minchas it says not oil. So, the question is can I mix and match the two oil? The top one called and the bottom one The answer is yes because if you notice they have one word that that they share. Color. And over here it says So, that's called They share the same word and they'll share the same issue. You hear that? Did I skip anything? How do you know that this one has a color and this one has oil? They both share the same word color. Never can color color. Just like this pasuk has the issue called oil. So, both have the same issue. They both have um oil Boy, you're having a boy. Okay, brand new Everybody say. You're learning so much. If you didn't learn Look at this. I'll show you something you didn't see before. Every carbon that you put on the mizbeach, you have to take some of the parts, the innards, which include the kidneys and the skirt steak. We eat it. But it's called the It's the It's the piece the the piece of meat that separates the the liver and the the rest. So, plus what? No, no, no, no. Not the oil. Plus fats. Here, if I zoom in over here, actually you can see he's holding it. You see the fats? Now, obviously the fats, the white stuff, you cannot eat. That would be oil. But the question is what happens if this guy Take a look. This is what we do. Sorry. Every carbon he takes it and puts it on the on the on the over there. Question is what happens if instead of putting it on the flame, he decides to eat it. Schmak skirt steak. He made he wants some barbecue. He ate it. What What happens now? So, says the oil love the oil. By the way, really. It says in the pasuk oil oil. A Israel cannot eat anything that's oil. But the can't eat it either. If it belongs on the mizbeach and the eats it, he's just like Israel eating something he shouldn't be eating. So, says the that for sure if he eats part of the eats the skirt steak, he's over on this pasuk. Because oil. Uh my question is is he over also on that pasuk that we're discussing the whole oil that you have to burn it and he didn't burn it. Both of them have to do with Both of them have to do with the oil. So, the answers yes. If a goes ahead and eats a skirt steak, he's on oil plus on oil. What's the oil? The oil. Says the mission. oil What's the oil? The oil. Every oil that a brings, a before [clears throat] he performs that he has to bring a oil in the and that is called a oil. oil. Or any oil that a brings. If a oil Now, a oil Check this out. If you haven't seen this, it's oil. A oil has to bring two of these a day. Five in the morning and five in the afternoon. Boom. That's called the oil. The oil of a oil. oil And when you bring the oil, it all all these three things go 100% oil. Nobody gets to eat a single bite. Zero. This is something has more power than a oil. Great. The oil gets it. The oil don't get it. The two breads that we bring on together with the two sheep. And and the 12 breads that are on the and the every single shabbos, 100% goes to the They and zero to the oil. It's the exact opposite of what we said before. What was the oil? Explain why did the mission have to say and this is something that the oil are stronger than the oil. What? You don't You can't find other that go 100% oil. The famous oil. The oil is 100% oil. Zero goes to the oil. What's the answer? It's not zero. There's a certain percentage of the animal that goes to the which is what? The hides. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. The oil that even though the entire oil goes on the but the hides the coin get. The bird there's there's a bird that's completely oil and it goes on the bear. So why are you telling me that only these things go on the there's here there's another thing that goes on the bear. Says I come those of you who remember one of the hardest things in the base of to do Oh, let me just show you this before I show you that. This whole shower artist did from scratch. This is a pigeon's inners. So it says crap over there. The crap doesn't go on the bear. So it's not 100% it's 95% because the crap and the reason why the crap doesn't go on the Rashi says in is because the bird is a gunner. He goes to other people's fields and he he steals weed and different stuff and it goes into the crap. I shouldn't say I don't want that. That the part of neighbor you can keep for yourself. But what's one of the hardest things in the base of gosh that is to throw the the the feather and the crap from where the coin is standing on that side of the it doesn't weigh a lot although in this video it seems like it it does. It's just feathers and it lands right over there by the base of shin and take a look what happens when after right after it lands. It disappears into the into the floor of the base of gosh. So says the matter that's why it's not counted in the mission cuz it's only 95% not 100%. There's also the wines that are basins that you put on the on the bear. It goes 100% of the bear. So the matter no it doesn't go on the bear. Take a look. Um So if you look over here this is like also beautiful job they did here. There are two cups that are attached to the bear and that's where you pour the wine. Now it goes into the cup and on the bottom it has a little hose and the wine spills out of that hose goes into the drain and I'm going to show you the x-ray of um whatever you call it to see how the drains go down the bear. Here. But first take a look at this. Pour it over here. It comes out on the bottom of the sheet and that's called the sheet. And falls into the bear. Now the way it looks just just a demonstration sheet. Here this is like the x-ray vision of the sheet. In the bear there's there's pipes and you can see it over here by the red pipes. Those red obviously you don't see them but they're they're built into the bear itself. Says the matter So therefore it's not considered that goes on the bear. It goes into the drain. When you bring wine you do something like this. You pour the wine directly onto the fire. No, he's wrong. You don't do it like that. You put it on top of the bear. Let me say um If you donate oil you should do Now how in the world do you do that? You don't do it like this. This is not the way to do on oil. Because take a look if you do it like this what's going to happen? How can you grab anything with three fingers? So they say that the say that if it's 100% olive oil and you put olive oil in a refrigerator it will become hard. It hardens. And it has to be that state. It has to be congealed. And when it's congealed then you can grab it with three fingers. The leg So says the mission these are the two things that the get to eat 100%. What about the bird that the get to eat? So the matter they get to eat only 95%. 5% let's call it equal what about the blood that you on the they don't get to eat that. There's that extra I'm not going to show you the video cuz we're late. Okay, I will show you as I'm talking the he brings three and he brings that jug of oil and with that jug of oil the leftover goes to the says the matter yeah but look at all the stuff he does with the oil. He has to put in the he has to put on his toe. So it's not 100% it's only 95%. And just two more lines. Why does the mission say that this is so special that the get to eat it and not the bear. When the two breads and sweets don't have a carbon with it. It comes by itself. You couldn't find the carbon. We straight fasting you must burn them and not eat them. The coin always gets to eat the breads even if there's no carbon. I have a wonderful day. Merit the host of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today at sponsor.com or sponsor at .com.