7 For 7: The Saga of Rabban Gamliel & Rebbi Eliezer Ben Azaria Reenacted At The Seder

this Tower class is brought to you by torahanytime.com for our final speaker tonight can we discuss for us to have for the first time for our basement we're now draw from Cedarhurst historian and Macabre swarm Mohamed and also the author of a brand new high school I got a camera this year already best seller I was supposed to introduce Germany Gladstone national service okay thank you very much for the opportunity um I would go with the best seller but uh somebody's sitting next to me on the screen is uh has has a it's an honor to be even in within the in the running you know when you're the when you're the closing pitcher so it depends when you're in a tight game so the closing pitcher is a critical to the to the game but when you have an All-Star lineup and the game's already out of hand so you put in uh you just uh finish off the job so you know when when you're the last speaker in order to make sure that uh you're not speaking about a topic that other people already spoke about so you always have to pick something original this way you know there's usually good reason why nobody ever suggested this idea but uh be it as a man I'd like to share with you what I think is a revolutionary perspective of the structure of hagada shop and let's focus in on the story of Ravi Lazar and rabi shua rebelsary it's interesting in the entire there are only two stories of Haggadah you have the story in the in hagada you have the story of rabileza and Robbie sure of Elizabeth and then you have a toy SEPTA so here's my question you have these five ton of these are probably five of the most eminent tanoyem of that era but the God al-hadar is conspicuously absent from that story I mean who is the Nasi at the time who's the Nasi in the time of revelation of course where in the world is that say there I mean these five tanam are not all from the same city they obviously gather together to be together so where's the Nasi why wasn't Ram Gamaliel there and amazingly the other record of a cedar Knight is in a toy SEPTA in in where the tricepter tells us that Ram gamlia was gathered with the Lord and he did something very different than I had to say there then rebelazar and rabies what did he do gemara says he was talking about the whole night so we already have two different approaches to what to do the night of utsav Smith Triumph telling the story you know you didn't say a word about this story he's not he's not talking about the Miracles he's learning so first of all why is Ram Gamaliel not at that historic say that with the other five tanoi and secondly why do we have these two streams these two approaches to what one should be doing than either to say there now the next passage in the by the way is amazing thing says he counted the chapters of Magid and he came out with exactly 50 chapters of Magid and that's because in many places that it says in the Tanakh it says 50 times because had we remained there a moment longer we would have fallen to the point of no return to the sharnun and when Hashem extricated us he took us out of all 50 levels so that's why it says let's try him 50 times that's why there are 50 passages in but the next Passage isana if you look in the gersa of the rambam the rambam after he brings what he considers the authentic text of hagada shop the rambam changes one word of our texts instead of um which means like this according to the rambam at that historic seder with Yeshua Revelation at that historic seder Revel Elizabeth turns to them and he says you know my entire life I can never convince that you have to talk about time in the night time until Ben zoima came along and finally I was I was able to impose my shita so it's amazing we all know that if rebelsman Azaria is saying Shivam Shana that means this was when he was 18 years old and he was promoted and appointed to be the Nazi of Khali Israel that means that story of Rabbi Lazar and rabies happened on the day that Revelation and Azaria became the Nazi so we're all familiar with the back story the back story is the question came into the basement is maareva rashus whereas gets up he says comes in they asked him says does anybody argue on me no nobody argues on RAM gam Leo nobody would dare ever argue on gremliel's approach was that he ruled with an iron fist this was in the aftermath of Corbin held in order to establish Authority in Claudia Israel and ensure the stability of the people in the aftermath of the horben he ruled with a very with great Authority he didn't let anybody disagree with him already on previous occasions whenever Yeshua tried to disagree with gamlier put rabieshua down in fact this is the third occasion that rabieshua was so to speak put down in the president Gamaliel the people got angry at Ram gamlia rather people said enough already with ram gum wheel imposing his authority and they actually demoted Ram Gamaliel and they excommunicated him and on that day they didn't know who should be the next not see they couldn't be sure he's the Bahama is which means the historic say there recorded was the day Revelation was appointed as the Nasi and that's indicated by the way by the position of rebels it's been Azalea ranked third in the middle there's a cloud whenever you have a list of tanoim the middle Tana is God of the flanking him on the right and left is and then further Revelation is ranked number third he's the Nasi and now we understand why Ram gamlil was not at that State of course he's not at the say there he's in Hiram he's already member ready they already demoted him so that explains why Ron gum Leo is not at that say there and Republic said finally I could breathe for the last 20 years I come to the base matters I can't get a word in rum gum Leo always uh imposes his Viewpoint it's the first time I could impose my viewpoint and say there's a Kiev to speak about you'd see a Smith I don't have Ram gumly all over writing me now this is I believe that it is critical to begin has been demoted as the Nazi and Revelation is at the helm why because we know Ram Gamaliel had the following policy he would wait at the door he would take a look at you he would parent to your soul and he would say you know what you're not that genuine you're not that real please stay out Ram gum Leo would see into your soul if your toy whether you're inside matched you're outside and if it didn't he wouldn't let you in rangan wheel said called talmud Ali Khan is now I ask you a question it's it's Lil Sader you're bringing your kids to the table you have all kinds of kids there's a Russia there's a tum there's a shame you think they're all coming into the house with gamliel at the helm you think Ram gum Wheels letting everybody into the base matters we all know the day of Elizabeth Azaria became the Nazi so they added either 400 700 benches all the Bunnymen entered the base mattress when Revelation as I was appointed so it's critical that the hagada begins there's a new man at the helm his name is rebelsman Azalea and under his authority everyone into the house because under the the authority of rebels cannot be at the helm in other words when you're presiding over your say there if you want to know which mahalak to use you have to use them and not that of ramen gamliel but it's amazing that the end of the story is REM gamliel comes to asks to ask mahila from rabihoshua who it seems that he insulted says no said you know please in the honor of my father and Robinson says who's the honor of the father that rangamleel was invoking says so think about it does RAM gamliel ever come back into the say there of course he does at the end of Margaret when gamble is back in at the helm game now think about it remember the story after Gamaliel asked for Yeshua for forgiveness so now the question is so who should be the Nasi you can't remove completely because so they came up with the following approach is going to rule three shabasim Rebels and lo and behold by the end of the say there look who's back in action it's exactly parallel to the famous historian brachus on the beginning of the say there and that is and at the end of the say they're like in the gemara brachis because I'm going to wheels back in action now how did Rome gum wheel get back in he said base Avi who was his father that he's referring to his Ada Hillel so of course the other Tana brought in the hagada is seems to be structured based on the famous episode in Saga and the Marbach between Rabbi Elizabeth and Azaria and RAM gamliel we're at the beginning of the night we gotta open the door it's an open door policy all children are allowed in all children are given a seed all children are given a front row seed the only way to get the Tam the shenya de alishal and the Russia to the table is demoted for a short period of time and I think a very powerful remiss to this there's a ravosha wise brings us in his hagada but it comes from he says when the tamidim came to the five tanam and they said in other words now that we've demoted Ram gamliel we could inculcate the amuna of Krishna in all of our children and this seems to be the opening of so the episode sort of is reenacted in the structure of the Haggadah and this is a critical attitude to the beginning with that so to speak whatever our standards are the rest of the year we have a different approach to the night of the Seder it's an open door policy we bring everybody into the house we bring everybody to the table everybody is equally valued everybody is equally cherished by the end of the night once we're ready for Gula we bring Ram Gamaliel back at it he comes back to the helm he gets the three shabasim and by the way this is very interesting this this accounts for the two approaches the five tanam they're Missy narrative story Ram gamliel no look in the tricester learned that was the approach by the way one little tidbit you can look in the entirevis there's only one tana that's not mentioned why because Ram gam Leo doesn't tell stories and he's not teaching agarita Ram gamliel is a man of halacha he is brought in at the end of the Haggadah so to speak the the highest madrega is when we could bring in all the Bonham elevator them to the status of and learn but but by the beginning of the night it's so I I thank everybody for uh the great opportunity to share a few Thoughts with you and speakers I wish everybody uh and a wonderful and we should be that all of our Bonham should be elevated elevated to the status of thank you very much thank you for joining you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com