6-26-26_Chullin_57.mp3

All right, Daf Nun Zion. This is Friday's Daf. Yesterday, we were talking about putting back the intestines of a chicken incorrectly. Like if you put it in upside down, it ain't going to work. The animal will not survive. And on that theme of intestines coming out of somebody's stomach tells us a story two lines from the bottom of armo there was an armo and some have the gear of roy but whatever it was was a guy who saw a person somebody fell off a roof and hit the ground and as a result of the impact his stomach burst open and his intestines came out. Lovely. So this Armo who saw this and obstensively wanted to help the situation. What did he do? Aia Ler Kame in order to help he took the son of the guy who fell off this building and now has guts out of his stomach and she did him in front of his father. Now this is a good case of where you can't just stop reading. You have to go to the next oven to finish the story because to go to the top of ausim which means it was a trick. He wasn't reallying his son but he made it look like he was sheing his son. Now why would he want to do that? because he wanted to freak out the father and as a result of that freak out in the fatherish and ulon and his intestines got sucked back into his stomach the kite l and at that point the armoa was able to give him the sutures and sew him up and he survived father son and intestines all lived happily ever after so it's kind of an amazing story the point of this is that the intestines have to stay inside the stomach in order for him to survive and this armoa figured out this clever way to shock him to do that of emden when he explains that famous gar migilland Zion on the Purim Suda cannot fathom the idea that one Ammyra actually got so drunk that he killed another Amayra and had to bring him back to life but rather the way Revy understands the Gumar is that there was too much frivolity or whatever he deemed at the Purim Suda. So in order to get everybody straightened out he shed Rosa but he didn't really sher it. It was the same kind of shing like happened in Argamar. In other words, he did this to convince everybody there that he had killed. Definitely not the posaku as a source for that kind of activity. Okay. The mission then said if the legs were broken it'll still be motor. It was this basket full of birds that had broken legs that were brought to Rava for bada. So Rava didn't just look at the legs but Raba looked at where it was at where all the different senus and connection points to see if that was still connected the based on the fact that they were taken he said was all kosher how's that going to work if the front leg of an animal dislocated its kasher and rash is the parenthesis so we'll read it that's the the thigh bones of the legs in the back if that's dislocated the animal becomes a tramas is tramut is Not only is that same thigh bone of a bird going to make it into a traa, but also if the wing is dislocated, it'll make the bird into a trafa. Why? Because we're afraid that if the wing is dislocated, it's going to puncture the lung of the bird and make it into a regular trafa. Nobody. If the wing is dislocated, you just have to be as long as the lungs look okay, the bird's cauter. Just check it out, which simple translation is there are no lungs by a bird. There is and he describes it. The lung is like a rose petal between the bird's wings. Very dainty soft thing. Now, what in the world does mean? What do you mean there's no lungs for a bird? If he means it literally that birds don't have lungs that ain't true. I know. I can see that there are miter when there's a hole in the lung. But that can't be because the price says as we had said yesterday that every single tra exists also by in the same way and one of those of course is the lungs and al and just has more in the sense that nijra had some alpha nik if the skull is broken even if the brain membrane wasn't nikv but lisa what do you see that if you have a hole in a lung by a bird it's going to be a traa just like it would be by an animal what must have meant when he said he meant leaf fail. There's no problem of nefoula of a bird that falls or le or if it gets scorched in a fire, you don't have to check out the lungs. my time. What's the difference between the lungs that need to be checked out normally but not by the bird since most of the birds ribs will actually be shimemer the lungs were okay who we can assume understood what meant what he said to there is one that the bird's lung is like this rose petal so clearly is responding that you're saying there is no long I'll tell you what the lung looks like so it sounds like we can understand based on's response what actually meant from the words of which is a reference to because just means the great one and in this case it means he must not be a bucky with chickens and Rashi says his not to be literal but they were saying the was wrong if the is dislocated in a bird it's still going to be kosher even though Rav said beforehand that the yar that's dislocated by a tra would be a tra when it comes animals, but it's less of an issue by a bird. What Rav says. So, my son, which is an expression that means every river has its own different, its own different direction, its own current because every location is going to have its own way of and therefore you don't have to get so worked up about it. He was looking at that which is that location where all the senus are connecting the different joint parts but he was checking to make sure it was that way by the why do you need to worry so much so what's the difference even if not intact it'll still be I know the upcoming mission coming up at which is we're going to see based on what Rav says that the will be a traa because it says behu If the animal's back legs were cut below that joint of the ankle, it'll be because it's not a tra. However, also if that is removed, the animal is going to be a tra. So, here you have Rav saying that this is going to be a problem for bird if okay. So, first of the obvious because Rav now seems to be ser himself about this. So, was quiet. I'll give you the answer myself because because we put these two things together the dislocation and the where it's cut maybe there's a and the idea could be because where it's dislocated when it's shimmut it's considered like it's just missing and that will make the animal kusher because it can survive without it but when it's severed when it's cut that can actually be fatal for the animal and therefore it'll be a tramia back to wasn't you who explained how to learn ravish that the is going to be but will be puzzle. Don't worry about the fact that if the animal has this injury on the upper part of the leg, it's going to be less of a problem than the lower part of the leg. We've had this already a couple times. Even it's going to be a tra when you cut it lower down. But when you cut it higher up, it's less of a tra which is counterintuitive but in that case it will heal. Whenab went up there says back to since the time that demar came to and I stayed back here in Bville turning over to bay raun. had this opportunity talked to Raun about this and we asked him what he he and now continues to regail the story over here. I saw sitting and he was checking out the to see if they were still intact and I asked him that and therefore you don't have to worry about it but I know the mission that says that it will be a problem and I said to her was quiet and I asked him Well, and the punch line of all this is that also is saying that Rav said that the is still going to be kosher for the what else do you have to say about this? which finally says been there when all of his was he wouldn't have even made any indication that he argued. It's interesting by he wouldn't have even hinted to the fact that he had a problem. And case in point, he actually had one of these kind of chickens himself. He brought it to salted it would use this salted thing that would now keep as a teaching aid and say this was to me this is going to be the based on the following story. How big is the hole in the have to be to make an animal into a tra? We already know this. It has to be that size of the coin. We had actually a this female sheep was in our neighborhood that had a hole in its presumably the size of that and they made a patch for it out of this reed and it was able to heal. So vice shouldn't make you into a tra even though it has that size hole based on that you're going to have a it's already you're not going to start up with that even though even though there was a story of this that had the dislocated thula and they actually made a splint and they were able to heal the animal. How do you deal with that? It was within the 12 months of having the injury but the end of that 12 months died. It was only temporary that kind of healing the story about the you were able to patch up the ka that was only within the 12 months of having the injury but inami would not be able to survive a full year. He was an asan and when we talk about an asan we're usually talking about people who are doing community as this kind of asan is someone who likes to experiment. He likes to investigate. See, he wanted to do a certain kind of test to actually disprove. If you take off the feathers, the the small little down feathers, the bird will become a trait. Then those kinds of feathers were tuck removed. He put into an oven and he put it inside of a copper smith's mat, which is a strip of leather, which is some kind of leather wrapping. And it grew more feathers that were thicker than the original. Meaning that the fact that the nita was removed is not going to make it to a traa. It can heal. Maybe according to Yehuda in general can heal and can become better if it doesn't die from its original wounds. But if that was the case, the very thing that makes it into a would that actually make it better than the original? Doesn't make sense. Even if you're going to tell me that it can temporarily improve, the thing that makes to a traa is not going to be the thing that makes it more healthy afterwards. That doesn't make any sense. So, we must have got the story wrong. It couldn't have been the fact that it was missing its nights of those down feathers is not the reason why it was considered a tra. Now, my ben we called an asan someone who likes to test things. What's that based on? This was the story. So the mish says to go to the ant and look to what the ant does and be wise based on that. It has no boss. It has no chief. It has no melik. It has nobody who's in charge of it. She meaning the prepares her bread in the summertime and doesn't have to steal from the other ants. Even though there's nobody in charge to keep the peace and to tell the ants what to do. So Omar said, "I'm going to go check out myself to see. Is it really true that ants don't have any mel? They don't have any king. Nobody leads the ants. So also Kufas he went during the summer time and parcel a shum shimon they spread some kind of a piece of material over an antill. So he put it in the shade because the ants like the shade they don't like the direct sunlight. So one of the ants came out of the antill and made a little mark on it so this way he would be able to see later on which was the one that came out. The ant went back into the antill and told the others that hey gang guess what it's cloudy or shady or whatever we can now go out. So enough all the other ants came out. So dalia gle took away the gle took away the piece of clothing and the sun beat down on the ants. So the other ants were perturbed at the first ant told him to come out and they killed him. So must be that there is no mel in charge of these ants. the ESL harmonious from their mel in order to be able to do this thing to the ant that led them astray. kind of a interesting story, but you see that he was an Oscar and then you checked stuff out. Maybe there was a king and he's the one who told him to kill that antiami harmon or maybe they already had permission from the king to kill the ant that gave them this bad intel. Maybe it was between kings. Maybe one king had retired and they hadn't got the next king yet. And there was that kind of a time period can exist. You know what? Just trust me when he writes my if tells you that ants don't have kings then as Rashi explains can be trusted because he did it ales. Tyus points out that really the whole story is kind of funny cuz by testing out what the pusk says it sounds like he's being malaggle on kazal like the gammor inabas says tyus is kasha. So you have to learn that maybe he was just doing it because he wanted to see how Schllema knew this and that would explain why Rashi tells us that he knew it because that was like the masc goes with that kind of an approach of how to learn the gar. The other could be that simply the mish says go and see in other words that the p is saying to go and do this test. So he's not being on something from kazal. All right, but we're going to call it here and pick it up with a similar fish named for Shabas's