48: Tisha b'Av: Day of Contrasts

this is Deborah Lasky and this is our special tisha of podcast this podcast will be coming out on tisha Bob and it will i hope give people some understanding and insight into tisha Bob tisha Bob is a very hard thing we spoke about this in the last podcast it's very hard for us to relate to it's 2000 years that we've been in Gullah s-- it's the new normal we expected that way and for us to understand that it's very very difficult I hit this course for a number of years of going out to my chef Matt the CEO and the rebel F would have a penis in the morning and he would speak before a number of the Kenaston go through all the kidneys he'd speak to set up the Kin up to give you insight into it this event continues to this day and I haven't been there in years but I know they used to have to put speakers outside because there was such an overflow crowd the reason people went and the person who brought me was a very clever I've Ray brought me the first time is because it's very difficult for us to get meaning from the keenest understanding them I don't know if I mentioned this last time or not but when I was growing up they had these paper Kenneth offset printed very cheap hard to hard to read and the reason is because the minute is to take them and leave them in show at the end of TiVo won't need next year and people would sit on the floor and say Kenneth try to say Kinison yeah as the feet were falling asleep and and they were falling asleep and it's very hard to relate to it especially if you don't prepare it beforehand read them through and you know be shots MYSA to try to first start learning up the kinases really is really too much of a deal and a the amount of time that you have to say all the Guinness and and so I saw his program where we left we made a similar program here in hard enough it's still continuing where my goal in runs it now and it's called the meaningful Tish above I'm sure you can find it if you're interested they have a live feed various speakers speaking about the different kidneys there were a few years I used to do this in memory centers yeshiva in the morning where I would my own level try to be Mozilla keenness and and the reason these programs exist is because for the average person it's very hard to go through echidna genera Mayock and the words are hard and there are many many references to it that a person has to has to be able to understand in order to to get shot McKenna there's an effort an effort involved and so therefore they had these different programs I have taken in the last few years to try to recover just sitting on the floor in st. canice I prepared beforehand I read through the kindess I tried to understand as much as I can before I hand out look at my version so when it going to the can I let the cannon move me and we really could speak about a lot of the keenest when don't really have the time in this forum to do it but I will have up on my website some of the keenest that I've said in the past explanations that will be available remember lossky calm and if you want to listen to some of those i'm tish above as well so as I was preparing to speak on this dish love and I'm gonna pick out one kena to try to talk about so there's one kena I don't know why because there is some bit there are a number of it that you can feel the pain in the horror and McKenna there is some that are just so powerful this one for some reason almost always moves me to tears in my particular kid is it skin of lemon olive aged two Cod the big Kirby now I I don't know where every place I've been in a number of places where they sing it this is the that I know Robert left used to sing when he used to do it perhaps it goes back to tells I don't know but this is the way they used to sing it age to cod Baqir B now how I see Ali be but a see me mature years Keeney my ear Allah - Kira the Tacy miru shall ahem as your shear my sham she loved you the chef but a see me may try I am because they near me oven oven a yeah but a see me around yerushalayim I'll just did one more it goes on they see here is go none fish are fine how none but a see me may try I am there Hamas no oh my god ah but a see me Russia Allah who you and you can see from the kena it's a contrast and and I guess I guess it's the contrast that makes such a deep impression on me because when you talk about all the unbelievable things when we left my time and by contrast all the terrible things we left you shall I am we say in hollow becaming may offer dull mash Vasya rim of yarn la hi Shiva in the diva you pulled me out of the garbage heaps to put me up with the great princess as a contract the contrast there's a a gomorian Thainess that says that they used to fast for the MA they had my mother's that they used to fast when they were bringing the car Bernice they didn't fast on Sunday - interesting - tisha purpose on Sunday then in first on Sunday why because they felt that going from all of the eating in the celebrating on Shabbos the fasting would be too hard for people the contrast would be too difficult it's it's often the contrast that drives home where we horn we had recently the parshas ma saying all the different stops that we made and we review that we came to one stop called a l'm an island there were 12 fountains there were 70 tomorrow and the seventies of Canaan sat around the trees sat under the trees and each savoured set by a Mayan and it was just wonderful because we felt like we finally had some kind of manova we had some kind of a rest here's spiritual and a physical experience and then moshe says back out into the desert back out into the desert and it's the contrast people who've never had Lahav deal yeah I I spoken Australia and from a trail to get to Australia is over 20 hours so they flew me business class very hard to go back to coach after you've flown business class if you've never flown business class you don't know you better you know yeah you used to sit in that way but when you've been you know on a high level and suddenly it's taken away but a see me me try again hmm we left miss Ryman we had Moshe and we had iron and we had to Kohanim how are they Ananya kavod and where'd the Mun and we hit the bad air we had at IRA and everything was was bright and brilliant we left yerushalayim dragged away into captivity yerushalayim which was the most beautiful city in the world and the cultural center religious center and intellectual center it was an ear from russian of low rare to wake you up you came to who shall I am you a different person and were dragged out dragged out by people humiliating us humiliating I could borrow humiliating everything we stand for famous story of the tales of Russia Shiva they take him out of his house to kill him the Nazis and they hit him in the head with the rifle button and he falls to the ground bleeding and he says where is your God now he says he's not my God he's your God too and one day you'll recognize that you lose everything you lose everything they burned down our schools they drag us away they take away everything we have the contrast from us being so great and in the Holocaust by martin gilbert and he writes that the jews from western europe there were many more suicides than when the Jews from Eastern Europe because the Jews from Western Europe felt that we were part of the secular world through a part of the non-jewish world we were accepted and to be treated this way was just so devastating a shame came the Jews in Eastern Europe who used to be mistreated and the contrast wasn't as terrible but when we're the people of our College Baraka who he took out of miss Ryan Bini Savannah flows but a see me miss ya and then we leave you shall I am and it's been a very long time I'm not talking about the physical location it's an unbelievable thing that we have access to shall I am that we can go and we can dive in by the caisson we can you know but how can we miss the fact that we go there and I went with somebody whence was that night and the golden dome the top of the koshish good ocean was all lit up the person says to me well isn't that beautiful there's a there's a dome of another religion over our base and McNish over our coach at Ocean we go there at night we look at it and we think to ourselves Baraka Shem we have access to the outside retaining wall of the Hara bias that's something for nineteen years we didn't even have that they've been periods in history when when it was made into Aelia Capitolina by the Romans we weren't allowed to be in the city there were times who weren't allowed in I came to you in darkness and I almost passed you by come by and you since thousands of years of history thousands of years but it's a shadow it's a shadow of a shadow we're shadow people living in the shadows we don't we don't understand there's going to come a time where instead of that dome there's going to be a base of mikdash on that mountain second base the big ditch was about twice the height of that dome it's there now and when the best of me this is the way it's supposed to be as a cloud hovering over it when they bring the carbono sapphire comes down from shamayim and burns them up there's a there's a pallet we'll go into the base of McNish and we'll bring our Corbin ice core buddies from Russian look I rave to come close to Kadosh Morocco and now we have remembrance we can say the Kaaba nice we can learn the Campanas we can we can get some kind of limited experience to it shove Tamiya missus owed me money I eschew I say the hazael yeah yurina a nervy got his neva from the base I'm Mick - it came down and I was able to be drawn up and felt by the Jewish people now we were shadow that never we have a remembrance of that imagine you imagine you Kohen Gadol goes into the kosher cat ocean onion Kippur the red string turns white because Baraka shows us all of our sins have been forgiven it's hard for us to even imagine the greatness that clio so has because it's been so long the major says that after the Corbin well the flowers in who shall I am turned into rocks can you imagine Madhu line look like you go around now and you look at the Roxanna and it was it was covered with flowers it was so fertile so beautiful so rich but a sea meme it's fine the gancho my head Vittorio's ovum I am but a seemed a mitzvah I am the bread fell from the sky and we drank the water from the rock you know there was a miracle the mud tasted like whatever you wanted it to the same miracle by the bay air it tasted like whatever you want it every possibility was open to you every opportunity was open to you everyone knows the Gemara well he left you shall I am your smile was waiting for us gave us salted food and then gave us bags filled with air so that when we drank them we died thinking we were gonna get water we got nothing but a contrast what a contrast kaga nobody says Cemal above him am i safe him take a look your meat doesn't taste right your clothes don't feel right the wine doesn't have its usual effect nothing's right in the world coz there's no base of mikdash why isn't this a challenge to you don't you remember what we left mitzrayim i've a mitzvah every single year to sit down at the seder and to try to remember but AC name is raha [Music] until we finally I can retire so we were there for 850 years till the Corbett ain't Huck minute 50 years that's up 800 keep even imagine such a thing 2019 so go back to to 1111 80 but we're dealing with spans of time difficult first even imagine and yet it's almost 2000 years since we've had that and we live la nam rim oh my am i my rim but AC Mira shala high in the bitter waters that we drink all the most like isn't all the difficulties and all the shortcomings all the places where we could have been greatness greatness and this cannot to me contrast those and I'll tell you another reason that this cannot has particular meaning to me for the most part well the kidneys are the same pain and suffering and the pain and suffering goes honor that continues sure Locarno manouvre the Holly Luke Tyra but they seem a mitzvah I am we left Egypt we had the Mishkan and all the Calum of the Mishkan a little verso eve of SLE might save but a semi-rural aha believers are and all the abominations all the things that we have to live with we've reached the point that even hearing aired cell comes the December holidays and they start putting up you know decorations used to be you didn't even know you have to go to Bethlehem if you wanted to to celebrate it now you can find it anywhere well we spent two thousand years under the control of other people's religions other people's values other people's cultures Jewish kids unless they're really sheltered I feel like they're missing out they're missing out on that and the main culture well the AVA and the sullen might save us all the things it's worshipped by the nations of the world Josephus writes we Jews are not given to the writing of many books the Torah has always been our entertainment lien Eustace had learned that was it that was enough fuss I need so many other distractions as so many other things but after goes through the whole thing you reached the last Keter tyro to the clay hamda the Tacey me me try I am so signed visum Harvin OC again via NASA fish UV Lehrer shala hyeme hands on a positive note I remember they made this into a song years ago so sign with simcha and us yoga in Vienna ha this UV UV lira shallow you happiness and rejoicing and no more sadness and groaning when we'll go back to you shall I it's it ends on a positive note it's the laughter of rebbi akiva when he sees the Hara bias in the kosher code ocean a place of wild animals because he sees the gorillas it's an amazing thing if you think about it fish above night we sit on the ground sit on a stool and comes cuts ice we get up and we start sitting on chairs they haven't even set fire to the base at mcfish yet they set fire to the basement is towards the end of the ninth to the point that there were those who wanted to make the fast and the tenth and then it burnt through the night of the tent and until huntys and it's not even there yet we're already getting up the shoe viele Arusha la ha yeah call miss Avila are you shall I'm those who mourn the loss of your lion will be safer to see it rebuilt tisha bhav is the result but it's also the cure it wasn't bad luck it wasn't the result of historical forces because I'll give him a fascinating martial about a fellow who's on a mountain and he's painting a picture painting the landscape of the mountains the view and he and he makes a masterpiece and he's so taken with it that he keeps backing up so that he can get it on a better perspective to the point where he's almost ready to fall off the cliff and someone sees him and can't stop him so he destroys the picture person said you destroyed my masterpiece and he says and I saved you because berroco pours out his wrath out a timber of onion and stone and wood when we sit on the floor auntie shura of and remember but AC mera Shailaja yen and we contrast that with the greatness that we had but say see me Russia Allah and we understand that if we know where we came from and we can see where we are then we have the possibility to pull ourselves up and out to be able to reach the end of the Kiner so I sign this in ha but no Co kindly I not huh Basu viele Russia Allah yeah it's unlikely I'm not a prophet I'm repeating when I hear from big people it's unlikely that we won't be so at the CMAs year I made was so at the end of time so many seem on him so many things are going on three years ago somebody is from time Kenny asked if my ship is coming he said he's not coming he's outside knocking on the door so scientists say him father thus Yaga in Viana the shoe v this UV Arusha without observing tears about this year not on Tisha bo tent above there was no tissue of this year and maybe they won't be anymore maybe this is the last time we'll have to sit on the floor I'll align the bokya and this I cry but a see me Russia Allah as I reflect on where we were and where we are if you know where you came from and you know where you are then you should be able to have the vision to see where we can go the left of a Rebbe Akiva who can say if there are wild animals coming out of the covered ocean then we've hit the bottom we can we can only go up from here we just wait for the gula and so in the middle of tissue but we get up off the ground we sit on a chair and we switch we switch from the push lock on there's every fossa is there but say Samira shala again we switch from all the terrible things we've lost on tissue both to starting to reflect and all the things that there will be when the gula comes in one of the concentration camps so the story I heard this story from somebody who claims he heard from someone who was there it was to say with all the starvation all the breaking well the psychological torture you get the will to go on so when they would come home at the end broken from the starvation and the word the rebel would gather together overs cuz see them and he says for boy site what's gonna be we're gonna go dive in and shore and then we're gonna have to go home to our wives they're gonna make us a challenge we're gonna sit down and have a suit that let me see how you're gonna walk home and he'd get them all together and they would walk around there the the bunk and he says we're walking back from shore we're going home we're going to our wives to our families to see outside of the to see outside of the Taysom you shall I am to the Shu V Lee we shall I - go back - you shall I am it's gonna come a day chauffeur's gonna blow Michelle's gonna come basin League dish is gonna be rebuilt we're going to feel her courage berroco the Yeadon are going to once again be the people that we're supposed to be the world is once again going to be the world that it's supposed to be ah ha ha ha ha Shem lamellas I'll call her arts but Yama who yeah Hashem a HUD smell a hood make abraca now shame be comforted there's a nahama there's a good ruler to come there's a future and if we can see past the darkness and we can see into the future that we can go from the Taysom usual I am to the juvie the usual I am mr. Sherman this should be the last year that we ever have to celebrate tissue both so I hope this is the only addition of podcast we have a make and you want to make any comments or find out more about the show you clever a real ask a calm and MIT's Hashem we should all have a true nama