4 Approaches in the Rishonim How Kinuiyim Work By Nezirus - Daf Hashavua Iyun Sugya Nazir 2a

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So the question that all the rein deal with Tyus asks it in Nazir. Typhus asked this question in the Darham asks this question in the Darum is why did the Mishna pick these three languages? Why not Chinese, Japanese, and some and Italian? You know, why nause? So, that's the question we're going to deal with. Let's begin with the uh iner. Okay. So I didn't put I didn't make a mar out of this because you should have the nazer yourself says regarding the first says of the nations these three languages are of the 70 languages it's three of the 70 languages now has asked the obvious question. Why did according to why do we pick these three all the 70 languages? If you accept any of these which is true. So that's the all the deal with Um, before we see Toysus's answer, just I want to point out Tyus's answer in Nadarim. I'm going to really look at this. Look how nice you could blow up Tyus in Nadarim. It's over here. Tyus brings a question. Vasha, look where my icon is. Why did it pick these languages? It should say any language. So we're going to first see the answer of certainly if you use a foreign language it's a nether if you understand it of these three these three even if you don't recognize the language it's Nether it when it comes to Japanese if you speak Japanese then you could use the lush nazio Japanese but if you don't understand Japanese you can use a lion of uh Japanese these three languages even if you don't understand the language you would be a nazer if you use these these words now this is understandable because that means even if a guy doesn't speak this language. If he wants to be Mabel Nazerus and he says these words, it's effective by other languages. If he doesn't speak the language and he has no understanding what the word means, if he says that word, it will not be effective. these lashes because it's so close to the word nazir even though you don't speak this language you would be a nazer if you say these words and that's very understandable because the guy's to be a nazir he just doesn't recognize this language but okay he doesn't understand this language but these three words are so identifiable by Japanese if you don't speak Japanese you have no understanding of Japanese even if you say nazir in Japanese and you're having to be a nuzzer. You're not a ner because you didn't articulate it. What do you mean I said it? Yeah, but you don't speak that language. That's not called articulation. But these words are so close to the real thing. Even if you don't understand the word, you're a nazer. That's in Nadarim. But now, sorry coming back to Nazerus answers um says When it comes to other languages, if you recognize it and you understand it to accept these languages, when you say you're in one of these three languages, then even if you're not to be a because it's more similar to the lion of the Torah than other languages. You see, when it comes to Japanese, says, "If you're not to be a ner, you're not a ner. But when it comes to these languages, even if you're not to be a nazir, you're a nazir. That's very interesting. That's different than says if you don't understand the language, you're a nazer. But at least you're to be a nazer. Your kavana is to say the word as an acceptance of nazerus. It's effective. Butus in nazer says if you're not to be a nazir, you would be a nazer. That's a why would you be a nazer? Theis asks, he quotes. Um even though you're not you have to know it, understand it and have the you're telling me even if the guy is not to be a he would be a without there's No at all. Is a type of your mouth and your heart need to be on the same page. And if you're completely absent- minded, then it would not be effective. He brings a raya from the following case. He brings a from Let's see somebody who said on me hara truma. So it's not truma because his heart isn't there and it's not messer because he didn't say it. So you need you need piv and you don't have piv. So again this is only a nause says the of these three is even though you're not you don't understand the shine but of course you're to be a nazerus in nazer is saying you don't even have to take ner upon yourself. Well, if you're not to take upon yourself, then it should not be effective as okay, this is a very big how do you address this question? How in the world could you be a nazer with no intention of being a nazer? Even though if somebody says and they said I have no intention of being a naz, we don't believe them. We say but when it comes to this expression where the guy had no intention of being that to that the cannot wrap his mind around that it would be an effective. Okay, I want to show you the of the says some places their people are how do you translate? They're uneducated, uncou uh and illiterate and they destroy the language. They speak jargon. They speak gibberish. Yeah. There's some And they call a car a a cat and they call a cat a ball and they call a ball a chicken and they call a chicken a battery. They they just it's it's jargon. So the iso there we follow the nickname. If they call a nether um an elephant and a guy says har elephant. So then we follow that's how that's how they call in this place. What's what's the uh Rambam saying? You have some places where the people are illiterate. Okay. What's the Rambam getting at? They're not They're not literate. So let's see the inarim we actually learned it when we were learning the darum but I did not remember the ran also asks the kash of inim and in nause that according to that these are foreign languages why did theishna pick these three examples look where my cursor is You know what the is? Not only does Italian help and French help and Spanish help, those are actual languages. It goes without saying the language of that are straight out languages that if you make a nether the nether is a nether what if you have languages that are not full-fledged languages they're corrupted Hebrew I would have thought I would have thought it's not a nether it's not a fully accredited language speak it even though it's not a primary language it's a corruption it's a complete certainly other languages of so the same of the namely if according to are just foreign languages why didn't the mission just say all foreign languages are good and the gives a new answer so so far we've seen two and then theus in says the of these three are even if you don't understand the language it's effective in says even if you're not to be a it's even though it's not a primary language you do understand it but this is not one of it's not one of the 70 languages it's not Italian it's not French it's not Spanish it's a corrupted dialect of Hebrew so maybe that's not an effective now That's the run. The booklet says the run is what's the is it's also a language that even though it's not one of the primary languages, it's also a language. Possibly there might be another way to understand this approach which is how some understand the Rambam. The Rambam says there's some cuth uneducated people they don't speak actual languages they just it's a convention you say cup when you want to say ball you say ball when you want to say chicken and you say elephant when you want to say nether so and the raom says it's effective is it effective because it's also a language or maybe the says you don't need language to make an maybe you just need communication of your mouth but you don't need language. In other words, in this world that the of these three examples is because it's corruption. So why then is it effective? Is it effective because it's also a language or is it effective because there's a byum you don't need language. All you need is verbal communication even without language. In other words, let's say you know um you're you washed and your kids are misbehaving. So no new. What are you doing? You're talking the word new. What does the word new mean? The word new is a general term referring to all uh cease and desist annoying behavior. You know what does word new mean? New the answer is it's verbal communication with that language. So maybe there's a that's effective for is the these corrupted languages are also languages or is it that you don't need language verbal communication is effective. What's the navina? So the briskar says something very interesting. First of all, Going back to the Rambam, the Rambam said that these unc uneducated people who use certain terms for certain words The ram says it's effective in that place in that place. It's effective in the in the inner city where they have their jargon and they have a certain terminology for another it's effective there. You know the Rambam never said that Italian is only effective in Italy. No, you could if you you could say nether in Italian, even in Brooklyn. The Rambam never required you in other languages that it should be uh effective only in the place where those words are used. As long as you understand it, it's effective. Other reishim say no, all languages are only effective in the place where that language is spoken. Um so Runovski says as follows says something very interesting. He quotes the in the beginning of Nadar that these languages work even though it's not it's a corruption. This is not a special when it comes to vows. When the Ran says that works, even though it's not, but since they use it, it's effective. It's not a special den in a din in language. Aino is a valid language. The Mishna is works in every language. And the reason I picked Kuyim is Kuim is also a language even though it's not Ravski then brings a shami and he offers that the Ram also holds this way that it's not that Kuyim is also part of that language. The of is that when it comes to nether you don't need you just need you don't need language you just need utterance of the lips there is a form of verbal communication without language it's called I the of the you could argue and roski says the shami holds this way and the briskarov says that's the raam that these nations of the world that they say cat to refer to nether that's not a language it's not a lash the is not that it is a lash it's not a language it's the kdish is it's effective because it's a form of verbal communication you could verbally communicate without a language he says Um he says holds It's not an actual shine even and the round also says that there would be a to say um it's not a shine. The is according to the it is a shine but you could argue it differently that the is not that it is a shine. The is that it works anyway even though it's not a shine. is that's why works is not but it's still so what's the is could you say with kinuyim let's say you're in the hood and in the hood the way they say shama is jump and the way they say is I'm not going to say what they say and the way you know let's say they had a jargon could you be say well it depends according to the ran the kadesh of the Mishna is corrupted language is also language well then you could say shama shama is said in any language but according to perhaps the ramam where this other interpretation that the even though it's not a language it's still then you can't say there's no by there's no you need to verbally communicate has to be said it could be said but it has to be spoken in language so according to according to the ran according to the run where the is that it is that is a language. So you'd be able to say according to the or the way understands it where the would be it's effective because for you don't need all you need is it would not be effective for he says Since we're saying it's not a language where it's sufficient to be and you don't need it's enough. Now the reason the sh started a little bit late is first of all I got to I got to prepare to I first wanted to try to find an answer to theasha but I couldn't uh I didn't have something good to say. The kaninoa tries to answer the kasha, but I wasn't I couldn't give it over. So then I'm looking for the briskerv the reg. There is no straight up on nazer in the original print. I think there's a newer edition that there there's a newer but I don't have it but quotes the grizz that by won't help. Why? Because kinoi is not a it's just for it works anyway. This is according to the but according to the nadarim also you need the kuy is then of course for it would be effective. Yeah. So basically what we saw today was four approaches to one question. The question is are foreign languages. Why did it pick these three languages in says even though even if you don't understand this language it's effective but you at least you need to be to accept Nazerus in says these languages help even if you're not for and we saw the Yam's question then it's aimed pivy by the said is that even though these are not actual languages, it still works. And then we said there are two ways to say it. Either because even these corruptions are a language and then we said according to that you would be able to say in a or the is even though it's not a language it's still doesn't need all it would need is okay friends have a great rest of the day. I think tonight's going to be give. Okay. And then uh that will be this week's daf. Okay. Have a great day everyone.