3 Approaches Why Upholding a Neder Doesn't Work In Advance {Daf Hashavua Iyun Sugya Nedarim 75a}

Okay, good morning everyone. I got to my head. We're examining important Sugya and hey I'm an olive. Regarding. Being my client up holding the door room before they were made the mission of says an iron hey I'm an olive oil call Hannah Darum shut it up and I can I will be my walk and plenty hurry in Kayoman. Someone who says all the Nedarim that you make until I return from a certain place they're upheld says the mission of liar McLovin it's meaningless. But what if you say hurry in with foreign they're annulled rather laser on my move far but laser says they're annulled but how am I know my move far. I'm a rebel laser of laser says I'm half of the Darum is there like you have for Nedarim shall I bow the laser to cover claimer if you could have known the Darum. That came to Israel that already took place certainly should be able to annul Nedarim that didn't take place yet. So rather laser says it's illogical that you should be able to be made for Nedarim in advance. Says the mission of liar McLovin said but you can't hurry you I'm you shall you came in a way shall you pay Reno a shovel of hockey and by the whole offer only something that could be upheld could be annulled lawyer McLovin lawyer McLovin hockey and lawyer McLovin lawyer McLovin offer. When it so when it comes to annulling in advance we have a mock like this but everybody agrees you can't uphold in advance the only thing is we don't know why the mission of doesn't give a reason why so we're going to learn today three reasons why. You can't uphold Nedarim in advance. We begin with. The run. The run says as follows the run says hurry in Kayoman lawyer McLovin I have it up on the screen the DAF go in half hour. Only regarding half hour rather laser says it's an old why cover claimer. If you could have known Nedarim in advance you for sure could if you could have known Nedarim that already have certainly you should be able to annul Nedarim in advance the DAF go in half hour rather laser move far mission cover claimer Diddy can move far so awesome. Like he explains. Namely I'm half of Nedarim of Israel shame has a king be a user if you could have known Nedarim that came to Israel which are very strong. She follow that they already have lawyer for Nedarim shall I bow the laser to lawyer McLovin call a high. But regarding how common it's the other way around just because I could be making Nedarim that were how. So then the logic turns the other way that is not this this that is of no indication that I could uphold Nedarim that were not how yet I will Indian how common other rather than he the ash go home the Nedarim shall I follow the camera mostly like you may. Other rather it's true that we find. The Nedarim. That were how. Are how more. Which are how more. That you mostly like you may that you could uphold now lay my loan hockey but I don't show the how low the lawyer lay me who says you could uphold Nedarim that weren't how. In other words when it comes to how common the logic works the opposite way. The source for rather laser of why you could be made for Nedarim in advance is a cover claimer if I could be made for Nedarim that were how which are strong certainly I could be made for Nedarim that are weak that weren't how but let's flip it around when it comes to how common if I could be making Nedarim that are strong that were that took effect. Then that does not indicate any way I could uphold Nedarim that are weak and did not take effect that's the run right we saw the run when we learned that originally. The rush. Says something else. The rush says. Hurry in Kayoman lawyer McLovin says the rush could appreciate the other have a key on. Betas. How could you be making Nedarim in advance it's a key on betas the fish a shadow and surely. Yachts bites some of the Nedarim. He won't want. So in other words according to the rush it's a key on betas because maybe she's going to make another. That you have to go to Great Adventures on holiday you don't want that maybe other Nedarim. But not to go to Great Adventures. You're going to sit out for 5 hours in the rain. To have whatever brain matter that's still remains shaken up. And you might even fall out of the seat you know so that's not another you'd want to be making so. It's a key on betas. Now you could ask on half hour as well how does half hour work in advance maybe it will be another that you do want. But it seems like it's more likely that it's another that you won't want. Then the rush brings the Arab Elias Army meets pure ash cone oil time. I'm out it's hard to read this she a key on the Darum shall I bow the laser. May I some shall I bow the laser. Let's see. Oil time a hair. She a key on the Darum shall I bow the laser but as you shall bow the laser I think that's what the run is saying that. We can't learn out. That you could be making Nedarim that never were how. From Nedarim that were how then the the rush says mute my lawyer McLovin we still need the whole the first reason the rabbinical read the Darum the shall I bow the how came lawyer McLovin call a high We know who the rabbinical read the Darum shall I bow the shall I bow the how came the lawyer lay on rule cover claimer wow the rush is saying. Don't say the reason why you can't be making Nedarim that weren't how yet is because it's much much much harder. To be making Nedarim. That weren't how yet because they're weaker the rabbinical don't subscribe to that logic that Nedarim that are not how yet are weaker if they subscribe to it they would have made the cover claimer that if I could be made for Nedarim that were how certainly I should be able to be made for Nedarim that didn't take effect yet they don't hold to that logic they don't hold to that logic so maybe in their world you could be making Nedarim that weren't how yet. So therefore you need the first reason the first reason is it's how common betas. But interestingly there's a sifrei. And there's a question how to read the sifrei. The sifrei says like this less our Israel on NAF shy. On NAF shy who I saw. The ain't no I saw a lot here on. You could be make a Nedarim for yourself you can't make a Nedarim to prohibit somebody else I can't say. I could say I'm not going to Great Adventures I'm not to say you're not going to Great Adventures. Shall we have a dinner really logically I should be able to ask you or my and the market share ain't my father neither I ask my. Mission neither I'm not able to be made for my Nedarim once I made another once let's say I say another I'm not going to Great Adventures I can't be made for it. But hurry who made for neither I ask shall I either I could be made for my Nedarim before I could on rush a sauna say any Nedarim that we're going to make this year are not how. So I'm able to be made for Nedarim in advance but I can't be made for Nedarim that I already made. Markham shall I made for neither I ask my mission order but my wife in Darum that I could be made for once she made them. Ain't no way but then shall I offer neither I ask shall I either certainly I should be able to be made for them in advance. Come a lawyer McLovin less our Israel on NAF shy. It comes to teach to ask her on myself on NAF shy who I saw but ain't no I saw a lot here on. So look in the next save. It's it's very unclear what the sifrei is saying cuz it starts off by saying. I could only ask her on myself I can't ask her on others. So and then it says if the market share ain't made for neither I can't be made for my own Nedarim once I made it I could do it in advance my wife's Nedarim that I could be made for once she made it certainly I should do it in advance. Um. Okay and the point is and therefore since I could do it in advance I should be able to do how common in advance in other words there's a step missing in the sifrei. Once I have a cover claimer that I could be made for your Nedarim in advance certainly I should be able to make them in advance no less our Israel on NAF shy I can only ask her myself I can't be making you in a dorm in advance. The Nitziv says I will have him in my maker comma. What's what the Sifrei means even though it doesn't spell it out is since I could do have far in advance I should be able to do comma in advance. I can only make my myself. I can't make I can't be making you in a dorm. Now the Nitziv says that there are those who are in the Sifrei to explicitly say that the Sifrei explicitly says that I would think just like I could be mayfer before the nether I could be make him. Tell me no I can only make my myself and not on others. So then it comes out according to the Sifrei. What's the reason I can't do common advance? I can only answer for myself. I can't answer others. We see a very important from the Sifrei. From the Sifrei we see how common is like another. When I uphold your nether it's like I'm making another. The way how common works is I'm making the nether and there's a I can't make another on you. I can only make another on myself. Meaning the Sifrei is saying you know why I can't be making in advance cuz there's a concept you can only make another on yourself. You can't make another on other people and how common is like another. In other words from the Sifrei we see the way how common works is I'm it's like I'm making another. How common in advance is like I'm making another. The Rashash brings the Sifrei. And he's sort of bothered why the namely the run and the rush did not use the Sifrei to explain the logic of why you can't come in advance. I will be Sifrei raise partial y'all have McCrory the Sifrei and the kind of actually the AI and shine them. It's a wonder that this was hidden from the eyes of shine them. The gamma version is also clear that had there not been a possum. Then I would have learned that you could be making in advance not like the run who says the works the other way. In other words the would say if I if it were to come to my own I can't do it after I could do it before certainly my wife that I could do it after I could be made for before. And therefore I should be able to be making before. Seems like we would have made the heckish. Now I'm not sure what he's asking that that's against the run. It's not really against the run's logic. The run's logic is still true that it's harder to be making in advance. It's just I would have made a heckish. Then he also asked a very important question on the rush. The rush says the reason why you can't do how common advance cuz it's a key but well what would the be if the guy says if my wife says we're not going to Great Adventures on holiday then I'm making that nether. The whole reason it's another is because he doesn't know what it's going to be. Maybe maybe he's not going to like it. Well what if he he says if this is the nether I'm making it. So then he knows then he he can't say it's a how common he's saying if it's such and such another I'm upholding it. Actually is another party have a key visit Marshall would work in such a case. Anyway so that's what I wanted to bring to your attention on that there are three and why how common advance doesn't work. The run says how common advance is the reversal of the logic of the the rush says it's how common advance is and the Rashash asked why don't we bring in the Sifrei. And then namely what does the Sifrei say that the way the of how common is like another and there's you can't make another on someone else. The Rashash asked why the didn't say that he asked on the rush that what would be in a case where the person explicitly said that if it's such and such another I uphold that. Yeah, okay. Enjoy the rest of your have a good day. Called to