26 - The National Circumcision & The Korban Pesach (HaRav Yitzchak Breitowitz)

okay uh we were discussing yesterday the um uh the next thing they we did after we set up The Monuments and the ardan and that is we did a Brisa uh this is in uh per of yosua if you're following inside that's where we're up to parake and uh it mentions all the men who had left MIT were circumcised but the people were born in the desert were not circumcised they were arim there was no bris that was performed in the midore and M they now have to Mal now that they're entering erel and are going to bring the Corbin P so as I mentioned uh yesterday the gamar asked the Kash why didn't they circumcise I mean for I mean there's a Mitzvah why would the damid not circumcise so the gamar explains that from the onwards so it wasn't from but from theim onwards one of the signs of hashem's dissatisfaction with us is we did not have the healing North Wind a wind from the north that has medicinal properties and therefore it would have been a Sak to circumcise uh a child uh if they would then have to travel right away and since the Jews never knew if they would be traveling even though they may stay in a place for years but they didn't know any minute they could be traveling there was a constant inion of Sak now we have to say I keep on saying Sak for the child I mean apparently it's not just Sak for the child it must be a Sak for the adult as well because these people who were uncircumcised they eventually grew to be adults and they still didn't m in the midbar so we have to assume the Sak would apply to an adult as well as to a baby right so this was a so the thing I want to explore is this we know the is that a person cannot bring a Corbin PES if they are an oral a person who does not have a bris uh cannot bring a Corbin P but more than that not only is there a that an RL cannot bring a Corbin P but even if you have children who are uncircumcised you can not bring a corbon PES now thear explains if the children are less than eight days old they're not yet called arim so obviously if I have a 7day old child I can I can bring the corbon PES uh but assuming the child has already reached eight days this is called Milas and who the of my children or the of my is not only ma them from eating the carbon p and even bringing the Corbin PES it's gave me from bringing the Corbin PES so here is the thing did the Jewish people the Jewish people brought a Corbin PES in MIT that's for sure that was the first Corbin PES and of course the Tyra says everybody circumcised did they bring a Corbin PES in the midor well they brought one in Paras BOS the very first one year after they brought a Corban p in the midbar and you'll recall that that is where PES sheni was introduced that Corbin PES there were people who were T and they said why should we be deprived from bringing the Corbin PES and Moshe didn't know and they asked hasem and Hashem said they could bring it a month later right so par is both the description of the Corbin PES in the midor and it also introduces the of P sh Rashi has a comment that the Tyra is alluding to something that is very shameful on the part of the Jewish people because in the 40 Years of the desert this was the only carbon PES that they brought now again I'll discuss why in a moment meaning to say they brought a carbon p in they brought a corbon p the first year they were in the midor the next Corbin PES they're going to bring is the Corbin PES of Yoshua B there was no other Corbin PES in all the years of the midbar and this was seen this is described by kazal that Rashi quotes as a gus as a shame for CL Isel now the maim are om on well why didn't they bring a Corbin PES all the other years presumably if they were simply Sinners mha would have made them do it I mean what are you going to say they were r that they decided not to bring the carbon PES so the answer that all the maam give is that in reality the Mitzvah of Corbin PES depends on coming to Isel because in par it says when you come to the land you'll bring a Corbin PES and the p in MIT and the p in the midb was a one time a one time so instead of asking the question why didn't they bring the PES the the rest of the 40 years the question really is why did they bring the pesak that one time and the answer is that was a Gaz the carbon PES is called a mitv to so the ma then asked so if indeed they were exempt from bringing the carbon PES why is it described as Gus as a shame right says this is a shame for B is that they only brought one carbon p in 40 years why is it a shame they're putter they wouldn't be allowed to bring a Corbin PES why is it called goodness yeah why did he do it in the first year then that was a one time Gaz in other words that's what he says a one time G so the maral ma the G is that they wandered in the desert for 40 years meaning to say once they're in the desert they're exempt from carbon PES but they shouldn't have been in the desert that long they should have gone there just fell right away and then they would have brought the carbon P so the moral says when it says it was a the I don't think fits 100% well when it says it was a shame for Israel that they only brought one corbon PES in 40 years it's not the shame that they didn't bring the corbon PES but the shame for the reason they didn't bring the carbon PES for 40 years and that is because of the and the like okay all of this is well known this is based on Rashi and based on the Maan Rashi called the is considered to be the greatest of them you know there are more than just as an as side do you know there are more than 300 maim on rashi andish rashi andish there are 300 rashish uh we only have a fraction of them but we have around 50 of them 50 of them we we actually do do have um the uh most famous and greatest of them is the parish ofo mrai who was an early Akon shortly after the B and he's often called very very and the goes through all of Theus of Rashi the medish the gamor and whenever ran has questions on Rashi the mrai is Mas the Ran So the mrai is a safer of of Ian and and pilp and then we have the maral commentary AR which is much shorter but also an in-depth commentary the Lush wrote A Commentary in Rashi now the best known Parish on Rashi in the mosos is called the so I hope you use sometimes to explain Rashi but you have to understand the is essentially an anthology of the M the G in fact you'll see when the says a comment in parentheses it'll say say so the became very popular because it's a very easy format to try to understand the Rashi but it is based on the major major yeah who would be the best commentaries to look at for the ramban uh for for the ramban it's tough the ramban there are commentaries on the ramban but but absolutely not as many as not as many as Rashi uh um you know Rashi as I said 30 commentaries ramban maybe you have 20 commentaries uh but the best one would be um if you look number one the art scr has a ramban with annotations so you can get it in English and oah are the same people who do the the the garas the the garas they have a ramban in Hebrew with which which explains everything in the ramban so I would say either art scroll or the Oar ramban will help you will help you through it now the EMS is the m is a very valuable commentary on the ramban because when the M analyzes the M rash and the ran the mrai is ma both sides of it he's ma rashi's position and he's ma ra okay be it as it may everything I said about the Corban PES is based on Rashi the M gor Etc but here's the question I want to raise if indeed it is the case that from the onwards nobody did Brisa then why don't you give a simple answer the reason why they didn't bring a Corbin PES is because they were arim why why why do you have to come up with the reason oh they didn't bring the Corbin P because Corbin PES is toally in to now Bish the first Corbin P that was before the okay be sure you know that since the first Corbin P was before theim we still had the Ronis we had the northern wind so any newborn babies were circumcised and of course everybody who left M was circumcised but by the time you have the second PES that's after theam already right that's after thein if that's the case uh the newborn kids did not circumcise so why do you have to come up with a new reason why they didn't bring a Corbin PES in the midb Tay let it be sufficient because of the D of arus uh so here are a few points to make Point number one if somebody is an RL because it's a Sak for them to do a bris are they prohibited from bringing the carbon PES meaning when we say in orl cannot bring or eat a Corbin PES is that only if if he's able to do AA or would it even apply if it is a Sak for him to do AA so in reality this is a rashi andus rashi is if you are in RL we don't care what the reason is even if Hally it is forbidden for you to circumcise because of Hemophilia because of Sak the of an once it's eight days is so according to Rashi Sakana is not a relevant Factor here yeah Sakana is a relevant Factor if you get a bris or don't get a bris yeah for sure but Sakana is not relevant on giving you a hatra to eat a corbon p even an ARL because of Sakana cannot eat the Corin P cannot bring a Corin P that is is and R says whenever the is excusable so to speak it's excusable because of Sak it's not going to be him for meeting the carbon P so like rabam it's very simple why the arus of the D midb had no impact on their ability to bring a Corbin PES because they didn't do a bris in the midor because of Sak according to R an RL who doesn't do a bris because of Sak is not in eating the carbon P so if the only problem would have been arus they could have brought the Corbin PES so why didn't they bring the corbon PES so the have to explain the new idea that P is coming to so like everything fits very well arus would not have been a problem in the midor leabi Corbin PES so the problem has to be that until we enter erel we're not in Corbin p and the first Corbin P was was a temporary gazer but that is good according to rabam but according to Rashi who says that even if you don't circumcise because of Sak you can't eat a Corbin PESA so why wouldn't that be the reason not to bring a Corbin PES so let's think about this a little bit Lisa until the 40th year of the desert there were people who left mitzraim who were still alive I mean the door didn't die until I mean they died over 40 years but they they weren't gone till the 40th year so Lisa even though they weren't doing new brises in the midbar after the morim there were plenty of people who were mahul and they could have brought corbon PES I what are you going to tell me okay they could have brought a carbon PES but if they had children who were not gal right and according to rash even if it's Pak so that would have been M of them so number one not everybody had boys so which means amim that had you been able to bring a Corbin p in the midbar many people couldn't have brought it people who were uncircumcised couldn't have brought it people who had children who were uncircumcised couldn't have brought it but some people could have brought it okay so that's the idea meaning many people wouldn't have been able to but some people would have been able to so why didn't anybody bring it answer has to be because it's totally borit meaning arus wouldn't poter everybody arus would pter the people who are arim and it would Potter the people who had children who were not who had boys who were not circumcised moreover I want to point out that the rambam says and I'm not aware of anyone that's that the only mil of your child that's Ma you is a child that is a meaning once my kid hits Bar Mitzvah he's on his own I no longer have the responsibility to circumcise him so as a result even people that had uh uh boys once the boys hit Bar Mitzvah they couldn't bring the carbon PES but I could bring the carbon PES now the point I'm just making is arus alone would not have destroyed the possibility of Corbin PES it would have cut down the number of people who could have brought it but it would not have eliminated it and therefore the actual reason why nobody brought nobody brought a carbon PES is not because of Aros but it's because it's a Mitzvah toah and except the one time Hashem wanted it to be brought in the midb once and as the G says the reason this is called a shame of Cl Isel is not because they didn't bring the carbon PES they weren't supposed to bring the carbon P but because of the reason of the that caused them to want in in the midor for 40 years okay everyone understands the general idea so now we're back in Eric Israel or we're coming to Eric Israel now we're going to bring the carbon PES now it is no longer a Sak to circumcise so yua benun has a mass circumcision ceremony for basically 600,000 people big big bris right uh somehow now was this it's hard to believe but this is a time of Miracles was this the same remember the day they cross the ardan they run up with huge stones to Har AAL 50 kilometers away they build them as B they bring coronos they have the Bros and the Clos then they dismantle them as B then they run back to Gilgo and it's still daytime is that the day they did the bris of 600,000 did they do it then I don't know I have to check exactly uh if even that happened but if it didn't happen then it happened the next day in other words it happened very very soon afterwards so it's a busy it's a very very busy time uh and uh after the Brisa uh in fact this is why the place is called gilgal it says gilgal gilgal is to roll over because Hashem says this day galosi I have rolled away from you what is called heras MIT The Shame of the Egyptians again this is the idea that the Egyptians really as all are uncircumcised they are arim they have the Tuma of the Orel fact in yish by the way a common term for a it's a derogatory term for a is that oral that uncircumcised that's refer to a guy anoro right so an Oro was a sign of Shame of humiliation and gilgal Hashem says you have rolled away the Tuma of that you had that you had with you okay and as I as I indicated this is actually read because uh this story of the Mila and the next and the Corbin P which is coming up uh is PES obviously so this is the half Torah of the first day of PES this part of saer yahushua so when you see the haorah on yam say you know you'll know the you'll know the story so after the Brisa we then have the celebration of the carbon PES the first carbon PES in 40 years one could imagine what a great great great Sim it was uh the closeness toes now in the midbar of course the Corbin PES was brought uh in the mishkan mean meaning say it was again let me let let's be let's go over some a very just basic picture Corbin PES when do you bring the Corbin PES you bring the Corbin PES on Arab P you bring the carbon PES on the 14th of Nissan it ised in the courtyard the Azara of the B mikdash the blood is sprinkled on the M the outer m not the m in the mikdash which is the gold an alar for curus but the outer MB in the courtyard uh internal organs and fats are burnt on the MB they are called Hector amm are the internal fats okay so we have shita we have cabal Sadam we have zura Z Sadam on the we have the burning of the what then happens with the meat so the meat is not eaten in the Bas mikdash or in the cour of the Bas mikdash the meat would be eaten anywhere in y each family would take its lamb after the amorim were removed right so the amorim are burnt on the m and they would take their lamb somewhere to yusal anywhere people would obviously rent places or the like and they would roast the lamb whole and then they would divide the lamb among the group of people family plus other people called a and the Mitzvah is each person should eat a kazas of the carbon P so remember the carbon PES was not the main meal that's why we say you eat the carbon PES when you're already filled with other food the a at the Seder is the carbon PES okay so the PES was only a kazas you have to eat a kazas of the corbon of the Corbin PES and you have to eat it before midnight uh whether you could eat it after midnight until the morning is what is this man of the carbon P so remember therefore that the Corbin PES was Sheed in the courtyard of the B mikdash and the blood was sprinkled on the M by the and the were burnt on the but the roasting of the p and the eating of the PES was anywhere in yush now how did that work in the midor okay just just to see how it worked in the mid in the midor they only brought one Corbin PES so obviously they're not in Israel there's no y but the way it worked was simply this uh the courtyard of the mishkan also had a m so it was Sheed in the courtyard of the mishan the blood was sprinkled uh let me point out putting the blood on the doorpost only happens in the PES in m that never happened again okay don't confuse that the ceremony of putting the blood on the doorpost so the Mal will not enter your house that is a unique ritual of pesak MIT that did not apply to the PES even in the midbar and K it does not apply to any Corbin PES brought afterwards but in the midbar the Mish the courtyard of the mishan was where they she did the p and where zor the dam and burnt the where did people roast their Corbin PES so here they have free reain because all of is had the status of what later became Y and therefore they took just took it they just took it home they they could roast it anywhere in the M was considered to be valid now so I described right now two situations I described how they brought the PES in the midbar and how they brought the PES in yush when there was a BAS mik what about this carbon PES now this carbon PES they're in gilo so I should have mentioned and may maybe maybe this is obvious that they actually still have the mishun with them in gilgal the mishan of Balo was erected so essentially everything is exactly the way it was 40 years before except for the fact that they're in Eric Israel they set up the mishkan in gilgal in the court yard of the Mish is a big the Corbin p ised and the blood is sprinkled and the are burnt and then people were able in the m is m is they were able to roast their Corin PES and eat them a kazas for everybody among theab okay uh and indeed the mishan of mosha will serve in one way or the other for many many many years until the B is built right there actually is this mishun of mosha that is still around so the mishun did not end its existence when we cross the ardan it continues to be the equivalent of the Bas mikdash in the iner Israel Itself by the way um the miracle of the the bringing of the Corin PES itself is a great miracle because you have a very very small window of time the PES cannot be brought earlier Thanos the middle of the day ER of PES and it has to be Sheed and the blood sprinkled before Night Before Sunset yeah you can roast the meat at night and eat it at night that's when we eat it but the shita and the zura and the hak of the amorim have to be done before and you can do it no later Thanos so you have a maximum an absolute maximum of six hours and the truth is they actually started later than that as well so how many huh huh I'm sorry no earlier than yeah no earlier Thanos so you have a tremendously small window now how many carbon PES were actually brought now now granted granted uh just because you have 600 ,000 people that doesn't mean you have 600,000 Corbin PES right you can have you can you can have 200 people on a Corbin pesak but certainly later the populations was were even bigger I mean in the time of the second Bas of mikdash there were several million people who brought corbon pesak and Josephus the Jewish historian actually records things like half a million corbon PES were brought like for for a three million or 5 million population let's say they brought a half a million carbon PES so can you imagine a half a million lambs have to be slaughtered the blood sprinkled the Amur burnts in a span of less than six hours okay it was pretty pretty pretty pretty amazing uh by the way uh Arif pesak was the Roman nightmare of course as you know yashka was crucified uh around that time uh AR of PES was the Roman nightmare because uh you know the Jews hated the Romans for very good reason but uh a of pesak is when you had millions of Jews come to Yim so the big thing the Romans were afraid of is they were always afraid of riots so they had like extra Roman police uh and the like and that's why yeska got crucified a guy a guy shows up I mean imagine this you know you you have this security night here and this guy shows up on a donkey uh proclaiming that he's King of the Jews or something so the Romans didn't like spend that much time get rid of him you know it was like it was like and you know you know the Christians make it as a such a unique ceremony I mean they probably were like 20 people like making those claims and the like and all of them you know the Romans were dismissed immediately because they were just afraid uh that there would be an explosion so a of PES was a very very big security nightmare uh for the Romans because that was the day in which so many millions of people uh came you see for the other sh wasn't always the case let me explain why it's true that for sh and suas also there's a to come but that could be spread over seven days even Shas you had seven days so not everybody came the same day a lot of people could come and I could be M my mitzvah come to I come so for all the other y including sh even though sh is only one day you actually have seven days to be Ola so you didn't necessarily have millions of people in one day PES however was a bit unique because in addition to the Mitzvah of being oel which PES has as well you have the special Mitzvah of Corban PES so corbon PES unless you were t or or the like that did require that you show up on AR p m ER of PES was probably the most crowded of course the day after as well PES the first day of PES was the most crowded uh day was the day of the largest number of Jews who were in jam and as I say the Romans were were pretty worried about that all the time um was there someone had a hand up U yeah yeah so the interesting thing is yeah well okay this is interesting uh in order to be to come to ER is you do have to own land you have to own land in Isel but if you own some land in Israel you have to come even if you're in now Corbin PES is interesting because there is there is a din of PES sheni if you're far away you but that just means you come a month later but this is a good question even if I'm far away and I'm putter from Corbin P I'm still in to come to right that doesn't there's no of to be so what do you really gain you only gain uh two days I don't have to show up AR p but on the other hand as I indicated if you didn't own land you're P the gives a very fascinating story listen to this story The gives the story that rud lived far away he did not he was not able to be ol or bring Corbin PES during the second temple he had AA neighbor who used to go to Every PES and he would boast to you know when I go I eat the best hearts of the carbon PES he passed himself off as a Jew he got himself invited to a carbon P to a Seder and he ate the carbon PES so he tells rud you know uh I enjoy eating the carbon PES every year of course there's n to give a p so said to him ah did you ever eat the fat tail the tail of the Lamb is the most delicious thing next time you go be sure you ask for the tail now the tail is one of those things that's burnt on the M we don't eat it at all so he shows up next year they give him his Corbin PES portion and he says I want the tail so they said the tail the tail is what we burn on the Miss B who told you to ask for the tail says a great Rabbi my neighbor B so they realized if if been B told him to ask for the tail he was trying to get him discovered as a guys so they would know what he was and uh he was determined to be a guy and it mentions they killed him so so there actually there actually is a discussion okay the guy did a bad thing he ate the Corbin PES he was he was a GU that's that'sa it's not a of what on What basis would they be allowed to kill him what are they they killing him so some of forum actually say that if since the Tyra says that a Corbin PES is only eaten by Jews a non-jew who eats a Corbin PES is transgressing the Noah of theft and any violation of the Noah is and therefore heaa and and and and and and the like uh but be it as it may uh we do have that one instance of revie UD B who was notel uh presumably T says because he didn't own land in ER Isel and he was pter from beinga okay but in terms of again just to repeat in terms of just because you're far as far as I understand if you own land and you just live far away that's only a pure of Corbin PES that's not a p there's no P of D per for which I have to say kind of doesn't make sense to me because I mean the Torah says if you're far away you can bring the Corbin PES a month later but if you have to be it turns out that you got to show up two days later anyway so so you're not really gaining anything with the dispensation of P sh if you say you're to be so that's a that's a Cas to think about okay now we bring the Corbin PES and then the Tyra mentions I'm sorry not the T the book of Yoshua mentions a very interesting thing that the day after P meaning the first day of 16th of Nissan they stopped eating M remember I had mentioned the M stopped stopped falling after mosha renu's death but the m remained in their they could store up the man and they were living off the man they were living off the man through the 15th of Nissan but starting from the 16th of Nissan they no longer had M I guess whatever M was left disintegrated because they began to eat the grain of the land so once again in sa for Yeshua there there are a lot of Illusions to Hal that you need to keep in mind here we're dealing with the prohibition of Kash Kash is what grain that grows in Isel this does not apply to fruit or vegetables it only applies to the five grains I'm not allowed to eat that grain of AR Israel until an Omare offering of barley is brought on the 16th of Nissan and when the Omare offering is brought I'm allowed to eat the new grain right the Omas m I'll talk about bman in a moment we don't have how do we how do we eat grain today it's uh because if you don't bring the OM well I'll talk about today a little later but I just want first want to understand the story the Jewish people cross the yardan on the tenth of Nissan there's plenty of grain growing there it's the Jewish people's land they could take the grain but they're not allowed to eat that grain because that grain was not yet permitted by the bringing of the Omare because the OM is not going to be brought until the 16th of Nissan so for day 10 11 12 13 14 15 they were not permitted to eat Kash therefore they were still surviving on the MTH so when was the first time they were allowed to eat the the 16th of Nissan when they brought in the mishkan and gilgal they brought the OM barley offering which allows them to eat the kades so the 16th of Nissan marks the first day that they are mless they don't have m anymore because they could eat from thees now just as an aside we don't have a bikash how am I allowed to eat grain there was no Omar offering that mattered the grain so the gamar in rashash explains that we have two when there's a bik or a mish whatever it is you cannot eat the new grain until the Omare is actually brought when there's no basa mikdash Thea you are allowed to eat from the new grain as soon as it is Dawn of the Om Day which would mean the following when you have a b MDES or a mishan I cannot eat the new grain until the Omare is actually brought if that happens to be 12:00 noon I can't eat it until 12:00 noon shal mikash it is not the OM that matters it is the day that matters meaning I cannot eat the new grain until the morning of the 16th of Nissan but once the morning comes I'm allowed to eat it you understand of course everything that's becomes Yash meaning once you bring the OM or once the day comes that's called Old grain and the prohibition of kades will only be on the grain that grows after the OM is brought right and you get you get what it is in other words the OM M or the day mat All Grain that's already there grain that comes later is not going to be M till next om that's why people have to know when grain was harvested and and everything else so the PK tells us that the Jewish oh yeah I'm sorry then I want to add something I want to add Ben Zak made a Tak that you're not allowed to eat Kash until the 17th meaning he made it one day later meaning you could eat it the morning of the 16th he said you can't eat it till the morning of the 17th how discuss later why he made it but that's the is that is until the morning of the 17th of Nissan and in that would be the morning of the 18th of Nissan because of calendrical calendrical Doubt okay we'll go back to that again it's a digression but uh these types of digressions I think are worth are worthwhile to talk about their NE okay but be as it may the PK is telling me the Jewish people did not eat the new grain until the 16th of Nissan so now the tal ji asks a fascinating question the Tyra says when you eat the corbon P you also have a Mitzvah of eating matah with the carbon PES and when do you eat the carbon P the night of the 15th of Nissan so the matah you can't make matah from man matah has to be the five species of grain so the how could they eat matah at the Seder see Bish every other year it's not a problem because they can use the old grain meaning once you start bringing the OM they can use the old grain for mat but here there is no old grain because there's no grain for which an Omare Corbin was ever brought so what did they do about matah the first night of pesak if there was an is of Kash so the Tami says quite amazingly they didn't fulfill the Mitzvah of matah because there was no permissible matah they would be able to eat all matah would have been Kash is not going to be permitted till the 16th of Nissan which is too late for the carbon PES so then the I guess I guess I'll hold it over for next week but just to mention the but wait a second here don't we have a rule in that if if there's a Mitzvah if there is a positive Mitzvah Thou shalt do something and there's a negative commandment Thou shalt not do something and the only way this is important the only way the only way I could fulfill the positive is by transgressing the negative then the is the positive over wres the negative this is a famous clas it is called a say the positive overrides the negative now if I had matah that did not have a Prohibition but I want to use the matah that has a Prohibition because it tastes better of course you don't say because you could have avoided the conflict with the negative by taking the permissible so nobody's going to say you can violate something uh because it's a there's a positive Mitzvah but when there's no other way of doing it the positive overrides the negative so F the USI thei as the Kasha if that is the case then they should have eaten matah because even though there's an is of which is a negative commandment do not eat the ter says in do not eat the new grain until the OM is brought it's a negative commandment yeah for sure if I eat before the Om I'm Mal yeah but there's a positive mitzvah mat the night of P you have to eat mat so if there's no other mat but why shouldn't we say okay we'll talk about the yeah yep excellent question we'll talk about that to m Monday uh we have a collision course between two rules that seem to say exactly the opposite thing says the positive Mitzvah overrides the negative and go ahead and do the positive even though you're transgressing a negative Mitzvah says when you do a Mitzvah through the commission of an AA not only do you have a sin which of course you have but you don't even have a Mitzvah at all so how can you possibly say and if we have a rule right I steal a lul right we don't say oh the positive Mitzvah of lul will override the is of stealing we don't say that the other way around we sayah it's totally invalid that's a very good question well we'll talk about that that as well okay uh but again you see how so many halic issues come out of uh the N it's something to uh you know it's interesting people learn tanak for different reasons you know but but for B who historically did not learn n unfortunately but one of the things that can pull you in is that there's a lot of of gor that uh you can learn out of from the Nim so if you're even if your interest is only gorah it's worthwhile to learn n because you can get a lot of gorah Knowledge from n as as well that's not the only reason but but it's a a thing I think that is m in particular that they would gravitate towards that type of inion okay we'll see you good J thank 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