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in the old city in the Jewish quarter.
Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Number three.
Yes. Nine.
>> Okay.
foreign.
Okay.
Originally from Europe,
Bulgaria.
>> Okay.
Okay.
Oh, wow. Okay. It's inside.
and
during the '9s.
>> Okay.
Community
breast is like a very
>> How does in style? Yeah. It's a trend.
Yeah.
>> In style. Yeah. But I remember breast
not in style. When you say you breast
love,
you feel like the the hate, the
the booyle
was the opposite.
>> Yeah. The opposite.
>> Yeah.
By the way,
36.
>> Okay.
>> Special number 36.
>> Why?
>> Yeah.
You don't think it's a special number?
>> The the special number is.
So it's like the 27 club in Brv. You
have to see what's happened with you in
in 37 years.
37. Okay. So
in
the feeling when breast felt like
outside of the communities outside of
the communities in the in the edge
in
Yo
of breast is given.
Okay. And they give him breast
mind
as a child
first can
once a year. Okay. and
under
is given like
the the main point.
Okay.
Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
Okay.
>> Okay. So,
the USSR was fall down.
Yeah.
in the biggest biggest
in the last
200 years,
>> right?
and
apartments and the toilet is outside. No
warm water and the mikv is given in a in
a f in a
given the mikv
>> a
>> like a barrel.
>> Like a barrel. Wow.
woman
and
is given a plat into
a deer.
Like a farm of pigs.
>> Oh, like a like a pigsty.
>> A pig's tie.
Yeah. Wow.
You know
outside of the clo in the
lobby and this is the the
dven in the in the clo and in the left
side the the pigs and the dogs and the
khazar and [laughter]
and and kind of
the
connect
myes.
>> Okay, you will cut it.
>> Yeah. Yeah, don't worry. I hope so. No,
just [laughter] don't think too much.
Just talk.
>> Okay. I say as a child when you stay,
you know, between the the synagogue to
the docks and the davan is by start.
Yeah.
So
the
challenge
Yeah.
experience.
Okay.
foreign.
Yeah.
Now we are staying on the point of the
revolution of the breast city.
Ah
feeling.
This is grand
style.
like there's nothing
a revolution as you say.
>> Yeah. Very interesting.
>> Start the revolution. Very interesting.
>> When we back to the to the to the place.
>> Okay. And
Kimotushian
food during, you know, we passed the
Turkey and the and the
first class.
Yeah. and and
interpretation interpretation.
Okay.
as the journey is
the the main thing is the way. Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
question.
And
as
the Zach is the
template the
Okay.
The template.
Okay.
the the time of redemption. Okay. The
journey.
The promised land
Redemption.
sight for the future.
Yeah.
In DNA
in DNA
the moistness of breastman
is like the seed
inside the seed and
dialogue with the seed day by day.
Yeah.
Yeah. Okay.
Oh. Oh, okay.
for
the answer is
as the as the zester
It's sidaf
a process that's the human being.
So,
[snorts]
method
complete the idea, the
how it works, how we how we really.
Okay. So
it's a process
the
and
v
the
and you know it's going through
and
[snorts]
And
then the past. But in the past,
in the language of this door, in the
instruments of
the
Okay. Very nice. So
They're full of children.
Right.
Okay.
mention
of breast.
The idea is
For some reason,
in the past,
right?
I mean originally naturally with
Like the the book of the yellow pages
the yellow pages. Exactly.
>> So
breastl is community is a
movement idea. Mhm.
Officially.
Okay.
We learned
then the breast.
Okay. in
the plants yet.
Uh you mean uh to open it personally
if you feel comfortable? Um okay. It's
it's a long long journey if you jump to
this time.
Um
Okay.
Then sitting and learning you know line
by line in the book
like
the the the aanguard of breast. Okay,
it's a very interesting part of and also
if you're talking about history, it
starts during the beginning of the '90s.
Foreign
speech. Foreign speech. Foreign speech.
Fore
springs may not
Americ
the connection to the world.
No phones, no alcohol, no parties,
nothing. But they don't want just
sitting and learning by the they want
more
>> experiential
>> experiential. Okay.
17, 18, 19 years old and given the
leaders. Okay.
rooms.
It's private.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
connection.
You know, after 15 hours on the roads,
the real estate
Maybe 100 150 years.
Yeah.
by YouTube one day in the history in
Meron.
>> Interesting.
>> Amazing. It's like 10 beds in 3 m.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
and fin
and
the
official way in the regular way
and it's a base and
in the future
It will be a very complicated
community.
Okay. Okay.
So,
so
Yeah.
likes the
not by car. You don't have a phone and
Kimstone can
it's a little bit before the the the
village
of
illegal right. Illegal illegal
during the through the field
of olive trees. Okay. And
the
IDF
on the on the edge of the road and then
yeah
danger.
It's danger and they don't have the
control inside the Arabs place into the
Palestinian Authority.
>> Exactly. It's
B.
>> Okay. Was my
>> is a A is
Palestinian control.
>> Okay.
>> B is by Israeli control but Israel is
don't go inside to to manage something.
Oh man.
So during the night you go inside the
Arab place, it's dark, cold, rainy, and
you
And then you go to
the same plan.
You walk. You walk. It's very close.
It's very
They were attacked us by fire, by
stones. They try to block a way to get
out
in the
>> in in the army.
Okay.
the
the enemy the the Arabs they don't have
a
so with your with your Chinese with your
you really win them and they are not
exist that's the state of mind
>> they're
basically the state of mind of of of
the army
place the police station and then you
you get a a a black visa visa you you
have a in Israel like you cannot
um get to the place for 3 months or for
6 months
>> like a restraining order.
>> Yes.
I like
to
how you say that
is inside the the Arab place. It's a
it's a huge operation for the for the
army.
Tanks.
Okay. So,
the jeep
patrolling
inside.
So one bell, you know, one bullet shot,
>> one bullet in shooting at night in this
place.
The guns
um as though the answer neighborhood
>> neighborhood listening and understanding
that
very it's a very silent place, very
sensitive place.
Exactly. Exactly.
Yeah.
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Okay.
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question.
Okay.
So
13 years old
there starts the the
operation of the breast
being
okay
was mind is the operation it's an
important point
Um,
okay. 7th October 2000, the Israeli
government
them
is
see it's one of the
um most improval how you say
like in history
improve
muim
improve. No to prove to prove it's one
of the most proven places.
>> Proven places.
>> Okay.
The
the tradition in the traditional way of
the Jewish that left in Israel was
living in Israel.
a Jewish settlement. Yeah. Okay.
>> In Shrem. So doing alidoras
is giving the the the
mas.
Yeah.
Okay.
Um,
and
through
Okay.
100 years ago. Okay. Yeah. So in
journeys.
Okay.
So, the
Sometimes from
they continue but
was more close to the
that's the point. Okay.
Israeli government. Yes. Yes. Since
1967.
Israel is back to the
Samaria and they beg to cover Ysef.
Okay. And they
Israeli government
and so during the '9s.
Yes.
The Arabs start the second
and they attacked the caver
and the shisharin
kef
they also given in the caver
of the of
>> Mav
it's not army it's not police it's like
magavish
border police
>> yes Okay.
>> Okay.
Base.
So 18 years was the in in Kev.
>> Okay. And when the Arabs attacked the
Kev, the Kev yourself, the government
was
uh in a huge dilemma what to do because
one of the soldiers, Mit Yu is a
mit
>> the name Ysef. Yeah. interse.
Yeah.
>> Oh, okay. Yeah.
And uh
um soldiers of us going into
save his life. It was like maybe a
bigger danger.
So the government
they kidnapped him.
He was injured. Injured
on the floor in in
the army don't go inside.
>> Okay.
>> In in arism, it's the view of Ysef.
the prime minister
and
this time they fire in the cave
in the canon
>> and calling to Rajub it's is a leader
the follower
>> [snorts]
>> ambulance
passed away in Ysef and Barak the prime
minister he decide to leave Kav.
No, no, but first let's leave the place
because it's it brings
more danger. That's the state of mind of
temporary and and then we back
now you see it's 25 years
>> in the
way
is a main thing by a byman's books.
Okay.
The Jewish identity
consciousness
He's always seeing God
and
is the the first dreamer
was very connected to dreams to
>> Yeah.
>> And Yseph is the first economy minister.
Why? You know how to lead years of
hanger hanger
>> hunger
>> of hunger of hunger.
>> Yeah. Revised how to manage
and it's a point of
is very connected to
>> okay
and always.
So the
and also to to be
always
in.
>> Yeah.
>> You always you don't have your family to
support you. You don't have your
brothers. Sometimes your brothers
against you. But you always have to
understand God leads you and you have
God and you have to keep the dream. Not
just to survive. You have to keep the
dream. Keep it alive always.
>> Wow. From the
ideological mention, the ideologues and
the intellectuals and the fry and the
reform in the Christians.
A mench, a biblical figure, figure.
It brings to life.
It's interesting. I like it.
>> Yo. Yo. Now, now I have I have a a a
bigger perspective about yourself and a
deeper way how to to understand yourself
and to and and and to be yourself
always.
>> Mhm.
government left
the
Okay.
[snorts]
So connected to Yseph also before
October 2000.
understand.
So,
as the breast level
So
abounded. Abandonment. Abandonment.
>> [snorts]
>> Why?
Who's mind?
No,
of course it's illegal. Of course, it's
just, you know, it's a it's a desire.
It's a it's a moment that
operation of the army. It calls.
>> Okay.
>> Wall of
protection of defense maybe.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Men is defense. Yeah. You
want more? You want more uh drink?
>> Yeah.
Okay. So uh a year and a half after 7th
October 2000 it's
the
desire and also the
it's illegal but everyone 300im with
craftiness
It's in the middle of a an operation of
the the army
and and the prime minister Aric Shaon is
start the operation because
attack in a lobby of uh of a hotel in
Natania in Leila.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And
The cities
in the West Bank Ramala, Janine, Tularim
and is inside and the
as the army is inside.
So now is the time to go back to cover.
[laughter]
Army.
We keep the dream. We want to connect
with our our brother. So they parked the
cars outside Shrem, the buses
outside Shrem and they start to walk by
foot. They cross the the the
official border between Israel and Shrem
and they go inside the guide
and we guide kind of we see the vague
over they earn the bombers and the tanks
and the helicopters and they seen the
army like in middle of operation
and uh and the army
you know, door by door in a team. It's a
very
>> refugee camp.
>> Yeah. To to get out the terrorists.
>> The terrorists.
Yeah.
is very funny stories
about the you know the mask the misguard
the green light and one of them say oh
this is the ca and
a guy in in in in lo in a plat no it's
it's not really the ca because not
everyone really was before inse
the the
leader
is the the son of Gandhi
was a minister in the Israeli
government.
very
deep history the land of Israel
he was very support his son when his son
became breast and his son
>> he was proud of his son he choose his
way to be but um um yeah he support him
so he was benis heavy was a soldier when
he was young and he was a navat that's
the story says
>> was navat navat is the the one that
leading and understand really the the
the
he like a commander but his
responsibility responsibility is like to
to understand really where we are where
is the north where is the south
>> navigation
>> navigation exactly Okay.
>> To navigate
and he was remember where exactly is the
cave. So
the patient
only this group was in this first night
in Ysef and say kadesh
and
light a candle after a year and a half
more than 18 months.
since we left the cave.
And now starts a new part of history.
Okay.
week by week
and then they start day by day, night by
night.
They don't have cars and then they walk
inside by foot.
Israel and Kavse yeah it's sad to say
you know the border between Israel and
but I mean the official lines of the
government you know
>> so
invadim
is given uh
not broken is abandoned abandoned
>> but not broken and not burned
Exactly. Was the the the gate
was closed. So you have to jump
on the on the wall and then you go
inside and then you start you set and
then you make a
not official.
And
okay, we start.
Okay.
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A deep feeling
asse
of the leaders of of this group was
blazer. land. So he says he told this
night during his son-in-law
he told them okay tell them to not going
into
this night.
>> Okay. And they was staying on the
of
and
the in the point before you walk in.
It's
it's a plat
give
one guy his name and he was like the the
host of
the
Yo, the non. So,
and then they they re received the the
phone call to not going this night into
the phone
and
Okay.
They was back to
a night after the next
the lights the flashlight because
inside.
>> Yeah.
So then as as the on the floor very
dos
like screws like screws like um balls.
>> Oh. Oh yeah.
effect.
>> Exactly. And
of the bomb
surrounding the the
>> I'm saying the wires with the
>> the wires and everything. By the way, I
have pictures of this.
>> So this is this is documented. So this
is mechan.
This is
>> okay.
pictures of the of the bomb. You see
everything. You see the wires. You see
the You see everything
like the bomb
timer? Yes. Yes.
No
watch.
A day after in the morning in the
newspaper, the Shabbach
says,
"We found the
like the group of the terrorists that
put the bomb to killim
inside."
And then we understood
their research about investigation
investigation
in the newspaper newspaper official
headline.
We we we
got the the
>> the people who did this. The people
would be there.
They
and they were put them in the in the
police station in
okay.
So
after the bomb
continue to go inside night by night and
then
and then they stop before
focusing to go to
and
was really burning.
There was fire inside and the Arabs was
burned the caver
doing
the sidu
the settlement in the area. They they
were seeing during yonipo the fire goes
the sky from Kev. was a black
and heavy
smoke.
Oh,
black smoke because they put
tires.
>> Tires. Exactly. Gim. They put a lot of
tires inside the cover
>> and and a lot of benzene and neft and
gas inside. And uh during the c was
really 24 hours in fire. the tires
and in all the all in synagogues and
fasting. So it was the timing 24 hours
the cable was burning and um keeper
we went inside and then we see wow the
walls everything is really
hot and fire and you you you you see the
fire you see the gale you see the coals
the co on the on on the floor really
burning and the everything was really
different
so We shoot pictures. It was, you know,
the time of a film cameras. And in the
morning, we went to the develop
the photos.
>> Okay.
>> And the the pictures was really like
first
sending to the to the newspapers.
Yet the vague vis
is given the newspaper on the cover page
a big picture of Kevin Yosf
it's like the first time Kevin Yosf
really was in fire
and then starts you know a long long
journey I I I start to shoot
pictures, diaries, everything, details,
mention
to do a historical story, a story
to tell about that for the next
generations.
Yes.
Wow. Yeah.
Okay.
Okay. So after they was born the caver
in in
starts a lot of attacks
against the the breast inf. So you test
almost 30
part of them was changed the the the
beich and the capilage while the army
starts to stay in sap. It's like a
a checkpoint before when they
start
no
only
you know it's it's color the clothing is
in color
black and
with a t-shirt. Yeah.
So before
the Arab quarter in the
a t-shirt,
by the way, the Arabs make it very good.
Yeah. Yeah.
>> The coloring.
>> And they went to Shrem. They crossed the
the soldiers and they went to Kev Ysef.
on the wave they walked it's it's one
hour
the beginning of the cars cars blah bl
as as the the the Arabs
um theim
as they
windows
as
when they back from the cavern they get
out and then they go to the main road of
Shem. By the way, the main road of Shem
of Nablus is
Yam
Yam is like the way to Jerusalem
like
here like here in Jerusalem.
It's the gate
where the cars and the taxis and the
buses during
>> the years was
the way the road to.
>> Okay. In also the gate to the
>> to the ocean.
So when they
back
was the first attack by a terrorist
rifle on the on the second floor.
I got the
Z
>> automatic automatic
>> like you it's it's it's part automatic
and part like singles.
>> Sure. Sure.
>> Yeah. Zex minute. He was very close to
the group that walking
on the road and
nor in the nor in the
nor in the
an
two people it's like 30 people that's
saying the same story
they was running and running and running
and running six minutes it's a lot of
time you know to
>> and Frank has given a shivas
by the way the brother of kilik frank
and he's also a singer songwriter
Frank the song.
Okay.
The event
shirt.
>> Ahmed.
It was in yellow and and blue something,
you know. It's night like,
>> right?
>> Bullets.
>> Bolts. Wow. And he was he he kept he
kept the the
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story about. So he kept the story
himself.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Good guy. So it was like the the
evident the evidence
>> the evidence
>> the evidence of Thursday night
picture of of them
in my book. Okay.
Fore
attack.
artion
is given
simple, you No, we went we crossed the
um
the line
>> the green line.
>> We crossed the green line and then we
went to the c we were staying there
maybe 20 20 25 minutes. Okay.
>> Group of five six Arabs coming if if you
you've been inv
So when you go into so inside
the steps
>> trap
the traps
don't know
rocks and stones and
push
then
You know when when you down it's
different like to fight to give a
upper hand the
Yeah.
>> Okay.
Young and strong and
from the confidence
and we jump into the car.
blocked the the way
ambush
and
reverse a U-turn. a U-turn and in the
moment
the car into the car
a small and tiny bombat
a pipe bomb.
>> It's like a Yes. It's in a pipe.
Explosives pressure.
>> Exactly.
>> Okay.
Wow. I have no idea.
>> Okay.
>> I have no idea.
But
to mention
on the door outside of the door hit the
door
a grenade.
>> Yeah.
years after I understood it's not really
it's a bomb
the the the
door the left door and we
wow
the the inside of of the of the door was
also um
And there was such
next to the door.
inside the car right
the pressure is
>> exactly
in the in the in the the mud
mud.
>> You got stuck in the mud.
>> What's tua?
>> Taqua in the boats. It's like the the
the rain and the mud.
>> Yeah. In the mud
>> in English.
>> And and the army means gazine
>> trying to car.
>> The car. Yeah. Outside. So maybe 10
minutes after the army came and um
>> they took us to
police station. We all for 2 days and
also we get a we got a
and a restraining order.
>> Yes. And
a week after
um no a week before it was they story
was
I think the the
deep
rain and winter but a week after we went
to it was
shaken the light starting to be like
bright And we was two groups. One group
went into Shrem and we went to the
mitzvah to the viewpoint on Arbraim and
then we see them coming to the caver
parking the car
going to Davan and then we see a few
Arabs walking around and I see someone
with a long gun.
outside of the cave and I want to tell
them that you know to be to take care
because someone is outside and they
don't see him
phones
>> no phones
and we hope that we'll be good and they
walking outside and they going into the
car the Arabs was waiting and
And then to attack attack and they
really shoot
and also a miracle.
No one attacked. No one. No one of them.
Five people sitting in the car. Three
Arabs. one shooting with a gun
and nothing happened.
>> A year later
with a small van, not a car, small van.
And when they going outside from the
caver, the Arabs shooting first to the
driver. The driver was
uh in German Moshe Barber.
Okay. And
it was a sad night. Really sad night.
They attacked them and Moshe got uh
in cop and he was you know he was
stuck in the in the in the
in the wall with the car.
>> He crashed into the wall.
>> He crashed to the wall. Yeah, of course.
>> Okay.
>> And then is the daughter?
No.
Okay.
Three balls in the belly.
Yeah.
And it was a sad sad sad night because
Mosha Barbar was
a leader of the
the G. He was very very connected to
your fatic very deep
and uh his brother was also in the same
night in the car and imagine his brother
see him seeing him like 40 minutes. They
was waiting 40 minutes to the army and
to the
inside
immediately went into
to to really to save the people.
I believe it was rel.
It's an operation. But
>> okay.
the masses
as it's we have a
m
of the
something have to be changed.
So
will always
um
the official
over
the army. Okay. They they will be like
tired to do it again and again and
again.
>> Tragedy army tragedy the army of us. We
have to bring a solution
and to give the to you know to give the
people to to go to to cover.
Exactly. Exactly.
candle
maybe 10 buses.
the desire,
>> the longing of Yseph
uh opportunity, a chance to go to Ysef.
How many people wants to be there? How
many people, you know, it's a long
journey, it's 6 hours,
right?
Yeah.
Okay. It's a organization. I was a part
of this organization.
the letters the letters the content
person. So we did it. So it was like a
you know a group of
a few few
and
as
the chief commander. Yeah. And we we we
did it together
as the army
commanders.
gave them the restraining orders.
Action is action. We are all Jewish. We
all understand.
They don't have someone that pushed them
to do
everyone connect everyone connected to
everyone. But why I will do it now when
I have other things to do you know.
>> Uhhuh. But for the breast, it was like
the main value
to do night by night to always keeping
in mind and talking about that and to
keeping this in in the in the
public consciousness.
Almost 20 years. Almost 20 years. And
in the beginning
wasn't
three times a year.
Okay.
>> Right.
>> Is
alfam. So the
after the pigua they attacked the big
attack in Ysef they start three times a
year sometimes
special boss or their
maybe four times a year. But you you see
in the Jewish calendar
I mean notes
in general.
So and then we had another project now
we have to
fix the place.
It was really fire. You you know in in
those days
And then
and in the end
[snorts]
event the the
after hours by hours on the roads
from the per and the end and the pun
and
cav is given after the the army
going out after a night of prayer and so
is back to be
a su and the Arabs go in in inside and
the children is really lighting tires
inside and it was like a a ritual
of the children when the army leaves the
guy
respect
1967.
By the way, I will tell you an
interesting story.
the way
minimum four bosses buses a year to go
inside Kef
the the second goal was to fix Kev Yosf.
It was 2006 2007.
I was very passionate, very smart, very
talent and I used my talentes for this.
So I wrote letter, I sent it to
ministers, to MKs, to to um journalist
to and also to the prime minister
>> Dat [clears throat]
was the prime minister 2006. And listen,
he was the the first one. He was so
productive. He got the letter about Kev
Ysef. He really understood it's a deep
history
place of heritage of legacy. It's
it's one of the
immediately he sent back a letter. Now I
I I uh I sent another letter to the
Palestinian Prime Minister Saliad
to start the process to fix Kev Ysef
years old
building.
I've [clears throat] met everyone in the
paper sh the agenda the the idea the
moto to go back to
I was collecting signatures signatures
yes that was my my project
so
copies of the letters and
It wasn't time of of pictures because in
in 2006 I don't know I I I I also I I I
had a a film camera right
>> on those side. So it it more was you
know the the documents. So
>> the the Palestinian president so fiad
and I'm in the middle with my friend
Benny Mv. He was also a very young and
passion ber and we was working together.
So Salam Fiad said okay we're going to
do that. He sent a letter to the
municipality of Pinre
and he asked them to bring a a track I
must say
>> a truck
>> a truck to start with um collecting out
you know to take out the garbage a lot
of garbage a lot of you know barelim
stones and irons and e
broken cars
and also smell of
it. It was like in middle like a garbage
place
as the Palestinian president
what's in it for him
prime minister. Okay. Diplomacy.
Diplomacy.
>> Okay. Ask me. Yeah. Exactly. Get him
look good. Exactly. And then it was also
interesting
vision like you know to seeim
meet workers of the area of going into
Ysef
our our workers working together
shoulder by shoulder
to start the cleaning of first we start
the cleaning
We finish the cleaning, then we start to
see how to fix because the the kipa
>> the dome
>> the dome was a big a huge
in the in the
>> and uh by the way
um the the lo it will start with the
bomb. You remember the story of the bomb
inside the caver then starts the dim.
So this is 2006 2007
and
I told you I had uh steps. Okay. So now
I want to tell you about the history how
the Arabs keeps kept
the cav. So in 2020
after Kev was after construction
and
>> after renovations.
>> Yes. And also the the officers of the
Fatak.
>> Fatak is the the enemy of Hamas.
>> The enemy of Hamas.
>> But that's the political party of Mahmud
Abbas.
>> Exactly.
>> Palestinian Authority.
>> Exactly. They keeping
the caver
um 24/7
security of course
>> that when
>> uh 201
11 11 10 11
>> Okay. So the security of the
Palestinians
what what's the purpose of it? The the
main the main purpose is to keep the
place from the Shabbab. The Shabbab
always trying to to to to
fire the place to broke the place.
>> Shabbab you mean the
>> Okay. So that's the main
the main uh
yeah
they they don't allow to go into D
inside the place
>> and they the army exactly so the main
goal is to really always keep in the
place if not the Arabs
>> were destroyed
>> in moments. Yes. In minutes,
you know when when the Israeli army go
with theim with the governors
also today. So when we going in the
first the first session with the buses,
the first the vans, the jeep the
convoy docade
the car
exactly fixing the plot. So when the
first one coming to the ke the
Palestinian
living they don't staying the same
moment in the same place
>> ever and ever
>> I don't know that's the that's the
security agreement.
>> Yeah. Okayestians
living. So in this 30 seconds
between the Palestinian and the Israelis
sometimes the Arabs trying to attack the
the cave that's interesting also by
leaving when Israel when when we leaving
the the place
>> the Palestinian before they coming you
have 30 seconds 60 seconds sometimes and
they trying to do it very fast
>> to go into the cave with the smig
is tires
>> and to try to to to burn the the ke and
sometimes they succeed.
>> Yeah. This the poor mulas the ke was
really
in fire.
So in 2020
I
understood the no option to back to
cover Ysef and also the army
really not always allowing and sometimes
the tof was um one time in two months
you
24/7,
>> right? So I was thinking what to do. So
I decide I find a sponsor
to build in the mitz
in the mitzvah right
>> on the mountain. The mountain was
plat
visitor center
and also to spread you know the longing
day by day to to we want to be back
>> right. So I was meeting uh the the army
the commanders
and they said no it's not an option.
We we was in uh
init
5 years ago.
Who's guide, you know, under the the the
longing and the the praying
and uh to to to you know to
to talking and to really
to carry the longing to yourself day by
day. You know what I mean?
24/7 as this is
for
the the
dream.
It's
official, you know,
and it was so comfortable to do it. So I
said what
it's the really what's the way to do
something about I was
creative.
>> So I sent the email to the
>> the region
minister of religion of religion.
>> Yeah. He's still the same.
from the Palestinians.
>> Palestinian. Exactly.
>> Okay.
>> I sent him a letter
via email because I have his email when
I was a a journalist. I was a
a writer in
so we had
a
a tourala
and then I kept
Okay.
>> So now I have now I want to use it.
>> Okay.
>> I'm staying in Jerusalem
as a Jewish. He stays in Ramala. I sent
a very naive email. Listen, I want to be
back to Kev Ysef and I understand it's
not your interest,
but let's see what is our interest to do
it because I'm not talking about
positions.
I know I'm Jewish. You are a problem.
research zam asm
don't have tourists
and they have oil they have textile
but they're very stuck very poor they
don't succeed
>> the economy is the economy
is done
away between Jerusalem to the north
through
between the west to the east through
because I know the tourists going to
Bethlehem to Ramad they don't going to
you know maybe the freaks that really
want to see the the pool of but it's not
really a
a market
>> it's not a tourist destination
>> it's not a tourist destination exactly
so he says oh man you you you're
thinking very good so I I want you to uh
to write down a presentation. Come visit
me in Ramala. Okay. I was working with
two friends.
One of them
London is especially in German. Okay.
Presentation to the minister in Ramla.
The presentation
D names the project see often and
tourist
and also it's your interest in tom
is like in between. So then you really
you you really build a second base for
yourself
>> because you really giving the citizens
the the theim
the res
new life. Exactly. What you're saying
basically is
political party
is yours belongs to what's the way to do
that we have to stay under the the wigs
of biblical Ysef
Ysef the wings the wings
versus the wings from biblical Cleos
monumental
center, peace center on the
yard of the school on the on the east
side.
east side of the huge
school
>> it's really huge when you see it from
from the Google maps you could
understand how big is that Okay.
and um
and this place will be a peace center of
Christians, Muslims and Jewish people
and everyone that wants to visit the
place you will open the gates for
everyone and to
and to give security for everyone for
everyone.
and it's yours and
really in the
manic there's also visim
Friday the imm
I
um
y is a charismatic is very
and he hate he don't really like us
specific mchmash
>> the no themash
>> yeah it's Friday he's giving the the
main speeches in Ramla
in the mosques in the mosque in the main
mosque in Ramala
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
He's very, you know, in the Palestinian
narrative.
>> Okay.
>> But he has an opportunity to really
present the world a huge and beautiful
project,
>> right?
>> And he liked that.
>> He liked the project.
>> Yeah. He liked the project. And then he
told me okay let's meet in 2 weeks
in the same place and uh you know that
the meeting was in his home lishka it's
not office it's like more than office
it's more than office yes in the misn in
the building of misnim I waiting outside
Ramala in kalandia and then you know
they they're coming with guns like the
security
>> to pick you up
>> to pick me Yeah. Palestinian security.
>> Palestinian security. And then we going
in Ramallah. I see the the the soldiers
of the of the fat Palestinian Authority.
>> Yeah. And they see the car and they are
talking something and they look, you
know, see me in the in the back of the
car and I understand something. It's
really special. It's ah, you know. So
after two weeks I met him again. We
really made deeper and more details and
more concretic the the presentation and
he liked that but it really not succeed
because we
we
dropped it
events.
Um
a few a [snorts] few months later there
starts a really uh crisis inside the the
party of
>> fat of yes
>> inside you know politician politics.
Okay.
Like something about who is the
after.
So he told me okay I I I really keep it
in my mind but it's not the time because
now we are in crisis
and after
a few months there starts the by us. So
I felt okay now
it was it's not operation and and
something was really happened between
the the the 2014
>> Israeli Arabs
>> 2014
>> no no 14 it's 2021
I think you know during the time yeah
it's Not Palestinians in the West Bank.
It's Palestinian
problems.
>> Exactly.
Exactly.
>> Okay.
So, the project was
okay. Now it's not the time to talk
about you know a peace center in the
Middle East and
>> dotande
and then
then I understood
Kevin Ysef is Kevin Ysef Ysef is Ysef
felt like something also in my own
journey I'm changing so kef it's not you
know we was talking about when he is
coming to earth is He's saying py
is a consciousness
and the main goal is the base migdos is
the redemption. So he says okay leave
Kevin yourself for a moment be more go
deep to the content of yourself to the
consciousness of yourself learn more
what is yourself and I met Ysef from the
opposite now why because I'm traveling
in the world I'm going to give
performances in Europe performances
>> I'm playing music I'm singing and And
I'm also talking about my journey. And I
meet Jewish people of small communities
in Hamburg, in Frankfurt, in Stockholm
and also non-Jewish that really
interested in in Jewish culture. They
really want to listen more about
Judaism. And I find myself
between the
two sides and I have something to
to say and I have to give answers what's
it mean to be Jewish
>> and then I meet Ysef in my own deep
journey
>> and they understand okay Kev Ysef is one
part now you're getting like to the
second dimension
>> this is YF lines
>> Yseph
Soian
interacted with the
>> exactly
working and living in the empire between
the nations.
Yeah. And always keeping the Jewish
identity.
That's Ysef. Yehuda says no we have to
we have to be sat we have to be bells we
have to keep our Judaism inside
community
>> and we have everything we have the we
have our our values we have our economy
we have everything said no we have to be
a bridge to the nations we have to fix
the world because that's really the the
the main main goal of God
so I find myself like in Ysef
consciousness. I understand. Okay. Leave
it. Live like the c the you know.
So we have so many places to places to d
and and to praying. I say okay now live
it now go deep to understand what what's
your journey as a Jewish person
>> as a Jewish man. So every one of us is
really keeping and continue
>> continuing.
>> Yes. the journey and the vision and the
goal Mosha Rabenu of Yseph of David,
they was working for us now to the third
temple
because
the third temple is forever. No more
wars, no more um um holocausts, you
know, no more programs, no more after
the third
temple. And now we back after the
holocaust. We back to the land that God
promised us. And we have Jerusalem and
we have the oil and we have everything.
We are good. So now we have to see how
to to to bring the the redemption. So
what's what's my
uh part in this massive h um
>> story
>> story everyone walking you see rabbis
you see with the Jewish people involved
deep in the Nobel prizes the
intellectual the doctors the um
philosophers filmmakers poets everyone
everywhere we are so small you know we
uh less than one
>> point 1%.
>> in in the gabe.
>> Yes. So you see God don't want numbers.
He wants cuality. He wants
>> connection. He wants dialogue.
He wants the the audem
every day to work inside to change the
midot to change, you know, to to to put
the the the the spiritually in the in
the in the lowest level.
Exactly.
>> Okay.
So,
God tell me change focus
>> go to you know
>> now you have another another direction
of consciousness
the dream stays alive
>> true that's
but you know you you forgot your dream
you you I forgot like we all we forget a
dream you know says when
is talking about
>> we start with
>> okay is talking about
>> everyone else
we lost something
okay when when we came when Our soul
came into the body and then like the Reb
told us that the Malik give us like a
>> a patch
>> a kind of patch and we forgot the Torah.
What's forgot the Torah. It's not like
copy paste to remember.
is to forget the to like the deep deep
um consciousness
of the
connection with God like you see
everything pure everything everything
everything clear that's the work now
start with your body in this broken
world like says
and now start the journey because I want
you in pure low world to bring it a
little bit more up
>> step. So that's our journey. So what's
the I was asking myself what is now Ysef
he starts as a complete person. He was
really complete in
>> complete. Val Ysef is really complete.
Is complete. No. Um, how you say? No
cracks.
He was a child, beautiful child.
His father giving him the special
>> jacket and says, "Yeah, you're special
than your other 10 brothers." Okay, I
have to tell you something. I was uh
sleeping last night and I had a
beautiful
dream. Okay. What's your dream? That you
all
staying
in the front of me, but I'm the leader.
I'm the king.
>> Yeah. I I want you know if you want to
say that by yourself words.
>> Yeah. It's very hard to hear that and
then start hating in the family and then
they sell them.
But Ysef
why he have to go through these
complicated
uh stations
in his life because before he was
passing through them he didn't
understand
the other.
You can't that's the the Torah to learn
from Ysef because if Ysef is special and
his father um finger him as special and
giving him the special jacket and it is
dreaming dreams and he is really going
following his dreams. So everything is
complete. Everything is like alagash
like
>> but now Ysef going to a journey.
No brothers,
no father, no mother, no support going,
he's going to the goiminess.
They put him in the jail because he's
staying
strong with his values
and
is in the jail.
>> Yeah.
>> And then he meet the
and then he gave them answers to to
their dreams. But in the in the birthday
of Pharaoh of paro, Yseph
asked them, "Okay, now when you're going
to paro to celebrate their birthday,
tell them I'm here. Tell them how
special I am because I gave you answers
to your dreams and please tell power to
take me out."
But we learned that because he he didn't
had um um a that God will
and then he back and the brother is back
and the
told Ysef I know you know the 70
languages. What's mean the 70 languages?
You really understand the reality
in the deep of the reality. Not really
what we are seeing. You really
understand everything. The whole
languages how to work with
to understand everything. And now you
keep the the seven years of and the
seven years of Raav and everything is
really by Ysef Aliv is daro
is you know on the paper is the king but
Ysef is the king and to be the king of
Egypt
3,
500 years ago it was to be the president
of the United States.
>> That's the world power. Exactly. They
were sitting on the nilus the economy
everything they would give and then Ysef
back. So Ysef
teach us
to stay always strong always keep the
dream but Yseph for himself also had a
journey for himself because if not
he can't understand the other one.
Well, when I when I get the the the
answers to the sorrow of him and sashkim
because he had a dream now you have the
option to see the other to understand
the other to see like the other side.
>> Mhm.
>> And this is also a a lesson a deep
lesson.
So this
you know what we are talking about now
and I have it deeper and deeper and
deeper. It's everything. When I put for
a moment the topic of Kev Ysef and I
said I want to know who is Ysef and to
meet Ysef in really in the journey in
practice.
>> I see the redemption.
You know we all talking about the B
mikdash now and I see in YouTube like
you know short movies about B mikdosh.
We are so close to the temple to the
third temple and I see also in English
going like doing um articles about how
the Jewish people really asking for and
working for in Jerusalem 2025 how to
build the temple in practicing
and we have to change something. I
really understand I'm we are now in a
very interesting period of time. It's
really happening but I can't imagine
that because always when we are was
praying for for B mikdash and also when
I was was a child
always when we are was praying for Ba
Migdosh and when I was a child bdosh is
like
always lov
you know stones and and like the picture
you put the tish above in the in
WhatsApp like you see the the tram the
the train in Jerusalem and behind you
see the temple
>> like the technologia with the bdor. So
how we really um
work with that
it's hard for me to really realize we
are in the process. It's really
happening. I don't know if it's tomorrow
in 5 years or 10 years or 30 years. I
don't know how how history really works
in spiritual
um um things but but it's really
happened.
>> Now you see everyone that's what I want
to tell you. I live here in Israel. You
know, I was born here. I grew up here
and I met the all
alamina
>> alamin. And now when I see seculars in
Tel Aviv and EPS in Paresana and
and Kibutikim in the north
talking about
redemption.
Yeah,
>> we all matching like the same
consciousness now.
[clears throat]
>> Something we all talking about
redemption,
right?
So now you ask what we do with. So I say
if we are talking about
nowseph
in the Jewish history
is given Yseph
the is given And
man plat is inur.
Don't forget to take my bones from Egypt
to to
>> and I promise you
the first.
It's the same m the same ideas the same
values as in Egypt to go get out from
Egypt is in the redemption we are
staying for now like the third temple
it's the
so we can't
have redemption
if we don't have Ysef if we don't have
the consciousness of yourself for
example
you Have a question.
I don't say I say through
assem.
Yeah,
>> it's really the the
you know take yourself as a coacher.
>> As a mentor.
>> Okay.
>> H
>> coacher. Yeah.
>> Yeah. A coach.
>> A coach. In Israel you say coach.
>> Oh yeah. Okay.
>> And a mentor. So everything when we all
living and behaving as Ysef, we did the
gula.
When you do your
yourself redemption and I do mine, so we
together
the
is
I'm stuck. I'm really behaving as a
slave not as a king not as uh
with
a vision like Ysef always go to Ysef you
see like a capsula how to work with
every
>> situation
>> situation in your life and
12 years in the jail in one day.
you know, if if you if you're going to
be something and you're growing up, so
you need a a practical to learn and to
but in one day from jail after 12 years
to be
how is it? Tell me
why.
believing in the dream
>> more than that. That's true.
>> Because he was never
forget that the ew is
because he really
ever never forget he is really a king.
>> So now we just changing changing the
room, you know, changing the spot. But
also in jail I am a king. It's like the
>> Yeah. So if you sometimes by the way
sometimes you you live in a kingdom but
you feel as a slave sometimes you could
be a king
consciousness you know about everything
>> yourself always I'm a king I'm the son
of god I'm the prince
and then okay ah now now now now is my
job starting like so now you give me
like something to do outside it's okay
I'm here
and it's so deep yourself Ysef is the
model and
and also my point is uh because I'm also
doing art and music and I'm a writer and
I I have also you know beside my book of
Cavio I have also um poetry books and
idea ideas that I I wrote. So I always
looking for interesting Jewish people
that going by consciousness of Yseph,
David, Moses, Moshe. And you see that,
you know, when you're not growing up in
the
in the extraordodox community, your
connection to Judaism
is always biblical is always the Tanakh
and the biblical
figures.
And it's very interesting because you
know we as we we grow up as
so the wasn't the
wasn't really our
disast as the the
poets the writers the filmmakers they
always sing like David and Ysef and it's
seven models you you know the the number
seven in Judaism
is in everything.
>> Yeah.
Shab
the
is the
>> the
and also the
and it's
the model that really
um coming back
every gener generation
during figures. You know, you can see
some reb is really the prin of of one is
the prin of aroen.
You always see that in your reality and
also by us
we also going through the midot the mid
of the ze fathers.
Mhm.
>> Always you have a part of your life you
have to be in you have
period of time you have to be in it's
like the balance of you have to be the
and then you really see like the of your
work the the and the and is the family
is you have the balance between
and you have Moshe
and you have Aron on it's and you always
when you meet KV obviously like you
always um
reflected by by by by by the seven
fathers you really feel that you Judaism
is you understand your message to the
world
and that's the way I I beg deeper and
deeper and deeper to understand
from
where I'm coming.
>> Mhm.
>> What's my really
rich and deep culture? We have that the
the the nations really
thirsty
>> only about you know flights and
technologia and itch only only this they
saying okay so you're not special
where's the special the special is the
back and the future always keeping
yourself always seeing in mind father
but seeing but keeping the the the the
you see now Judaism is really connecting
>> the highest spiritual world and also
know to do economy and land and
mathematic and everything and this is
the this is the message you know you see
the east world and the west world in
India they told you um leave your leave
the material outside of you. Forget your
body. Be only in spiritual.
>> They're a monk.
>> Yeah. And in the in America, they tell
you what what do you talking about man?
Go to the gym and eat well
and I love burgers.
>> Yeah.
>> And you know, so it's very nice. But
Judaism says yes, we want to enjoy life
and we want also to enjoy taste and we
also want to to to live healthy in our
body and we love our body but we make it
more holy.
>> Yes.
you back to yourself. Okay.
Um
now we are working for and you see
everyone
um is more open to do about that after
7th October. See the army understand
that we have to back to our heritage
places in the land to our holy places
and you see also in the government um
the MKV court also we are working
together
>> as a member from the
>> a member in the kesset and by the way
he's a son of law of Ravil Liberman he's
a cousin
by Ravil Liberman he was uh uh
very
holy Jew from Elon M.
He was one of the
special
and closest people to Kev Ysef.
>> Okay.
>> And when Israel left Kef,
he went to Shrem alone by himself to
Ysef and the Arabs killed him.
Yeah.
and
he is working in the
>> working for what was
>> we need you know the
that MKS and every like more more than
members of the we really
um bring the the
tol to a decision to an official
decision
>> 200 succeeds
in the Yeah.
Yeah. And they us now most of the is
really right. Right. Is
right and they they want to do that. But
now the the army don't really know how
to operate that because you know to back
to is what you going to do like
you know we are always talking about and
always doing for and
Monday
and everyone that really
this
>> decision makers
>> is really saying you know the the way
they are talking about now is how we
going to do that what's the way that
working to do that
now they want to do it bigger and beside
this to
go, you know, during the night but to
stay more to the morning. That's the
next step. And then
the morning 11:00, 12:00
as the
check the the pulse, you know what I
mean? Like to really see how it's
working because we have two ways to do
that. One day, one one way is to to
occupy. How you say?
It's really a solution. We are talking
about redemption. So that's the way to
to back to your
>> one of the most history place
of your people understand.
>> Mhm.
I have a book but it's in Hebrew. Okay.
And I also I I also do
but you see my language is Hebrew. I'm a
writer but in Hebrew that's my language.
Um so if people wants you know I have um
few people that we are working together
in the last uh two years for Ysef and if
uh I will see like more people
interesting in know to to hear about and
to know more. So we have a website
return tosef
>> return tof.com
>> yes return tosef.org.org
okay
>> yes.org or so we can uh do something
together, you know.
>> My friends speaking English and uh we
can uh really do it like more.
>> Okay,
>> thank you very much. Thank you for
having me. Thank you for helping me
broken my teeth
>> and hope to see you soon again.
>> Looking forward. I want to visit with
you.
Foreman
you going to
we wishing for
Yeah,
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