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#169: Behind the Bima - Rabbi David Aaron
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Rabbi David Aaron is a renowned spiritual educator, author, and speaker dedicated to sharing profound Torah wisdom. He is the founder and dean of Isralight, an international organization committed to inspiring a renaissance in Jewish life. Additionally, Rabbi Aaron serves as the Rosh Yeshiva of Orayta, a dynamic yeshiva located in the Old City of Jerusalem, offering transformative learning experiences for young men. For more information and resources, you can visit the following websites: + Rabbi David Aaron’s Official Website: https://www.rabbidavidaaron.com + Isralight: https://www.isralight.org + Orayta: https://www.orayta.org - Introduction - Interview
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from bitone Florida this is behind the
beima on this episode The rabbis are
joined by Rabbi David Aaron a renowned
Jewish philosopher and educator
recognized for his deep insights into
Jewish spirituality and personal growth
Rabbi Aaron delves into the themes of
self-awareness and the Quest for inner
peace Rabbi Aaron shares his views on
the spiritual challenges of our time the
transformative power of faith and the
importance of connecting with our
heritage and tradition plus reflecting
on contemporary ethical dilemmas and the
role of the Jewish community in
addressing Global issues all this and
more behind the
Bea welcome back behind the Bea joined
by my dear friend and colleague Rabbi
Joshua bro not here in bokeh Rabbi bro
coming to us from the land of Israel the
land of Israel I'm in a mad here
actually oh nice and maybe this is a
little bit uh you're there right now
because bar you're making a wedding
mazal maal we family and and uh I'm sure
it's going to be incredible can't wait
to hear and see all about it um but also
very um forbearing for what is to come
not only for this week but for your
future by Brody what
announcement breaking news can we bring
the breaking news should we bring the
breaking news back haven't had that in a
couple of years now breaking news I
haven't even know where it is anymore
yeah breaking news hold on where do we
find that breaking news what's the
breaking
news so in the meantime as we're finding
the breaking news this is the a number
of years in the making I think we're
about five years into this and then it
was four years and then three years and
two years and then all of a sudden it's
this this year or home
[Music]
Detro there it is I love that breaking
this is an exclusive this is the behind
the Bea exclusive coming to you live
from Israel the broes are going to be
making alah this subtler
yeah broes are making Aliah that is big
big news it was released Big save of the
date for us to be able to say thank you
and have a a wonderful event to show our
gratitude to the broes 25 years of
impact in BRS um so tell us what's
what's the plan where are you gonna be
living when are you going what are you
gonna be doing so so we'll start with
what are we doing because that's the
most important thing tonight we're doing
two things number one we're going to be
spending more time with our kids who are
all in Israel right now the once the
four older ones and their spouses and
their and children and what we're going
to be doing also is working in bokeh so
barem has had the very exciting
opportunity to to to have a wonderful
family sponsor bunch of the work that we
do here in bokeh through the Federation
and now we're going to do it direct
we're going to go direct and uh continue
hopefully some of the very special
programs we've been working on Amazing
so you'll be back and forth any idea yet
the frequency be back and forth it
depends who you ask if you ask uh the
wonderful silver family it might be
frequent if you ask the M it's probably
maybe once a year and that' probably be
somewhere between you're gonna pull Josh
Brody where you'll be like Simone I'll
be back in a
minute go
for is that right yeah it's different
when you say I'm going to Publix or the
Grove kosher market like I'll be back in
about 20 minutes and I'm at a Shear or
at something here it's it's about 13 14
hours breaking news do you know where
you're
I hope to start in a community that I
know you're very familiar with called
mod in the bman Moria area nice we have
some very special friends and you have
some great family there hopefully uh
we're gonna become good friends very
quickly and it's an exting plan thing
yeah yeah very this is this we we said
we're doing soft because people oh you
you gota be Israeli and move into it you
know an Israeli Community listen my
grandkids are going to be Israeli
they're all going to speak Hebrew I need
a little bit more English and
uh yeah listen a little bit of advice
that we got from from everyone I think
everyone gave the same advice is if uh
your wife is happy your kids will be
happy your kids are happy you'll be H I
don't know there's something that keeps
going
buty happy happy life I just want her to
be happy so we're GNA know we're we're
inspired we are uh impressed we're
grateful we're blown away and it's a
beautiful thing the Fulfillment the
realiz ation of a dream and the best
part for us is that we're not losing you
you'll be going back and forth impact
and imprint on our community and and you
know breaking news too is that we're
gonna be continuing the relationship in
the other direction which is br will be
still be part of BRS and be our BRS
Israel so when we go on missions when
we're checking in our kids in their Gap
year but Brody will be representing BRS
in Israel and he'll be coming back here
and it's another step in creating that
bridge between our community and Israel
which is all of our country first of all
I can already picture it I forgot the
name of the the correspondent he's the
guy on Fox that's all over the place
with the
Hem I'll be that I'll be that guy Trey
Trey
Trey I'll be that guy for you when
there's some breaking news I'll just
drive out there we'll go behind the Bea
I'll get my helmet on nice hopefully
there'll be no more helmets but it's
really an amazing thing and and we're so
excited so this past um mot sh was was
very emotional for you except that you
don't get emotional so instead it was
emotional for me getting a little
emotional be honest sort of as close as
you come you know which is to say like a
yaka on a freezing cold day but but it
was still you know close closer than
I've ever seen you but the tell
everybody about about V it's incredible
program going on many years and what
happened on on this past M yeah it's a
very special program first of all I
didn't start the program started before
me two or three
years how over watching right Howard
goldfisher you started the program it's
actually funny because in Baltimore we
were running a program at the same time
before we moved here I think the name of
the program in Baltimore I always liked
it a little bit more just was a little
bit more my style right the funniest
part was that it was being run into on
my GAA and we used to call mot shambas
live so I just loved that but we we kept
the you know live from Boer atona M
shambas to have that little bit of the
the old flavor but it's a wonderful
program it's a program for children and
their parents and their grandparents
young children we say eight and younger
seven and younger and it's just you you
come out you you know I think it's it's
something similar to what our special
guest believes is that it's it's
Judaism as we're going to hear sometimes
gets a little bit of negative brand
right so about the the the pain and you
probably come up with better synonyms
than I I can't so why not from a very
young age already get the kids excited
about nothing more than just going to sh
with your family and enjoying and like
like enjoying the Torah maybe you're
just coloring because you're a year or
two old maybe you're doing something
else but I really believe that the
singing that we do together it really
touches places it's it's it's it's
powerful to hear all these kids I don't
know that they all know that they're
singing what they're singing That's the
age where you kind of probably don't
even know the correct words but it's
loud and people like they're all
participating and the best part is when
you're running visham which this week
was packed packed packed packed often on
MO we have a speaker we're showing a
film where program and and the let's
just say some of the older people might
come very early for their program and V
was still going on and that
intergenerational cross-generational
when older people hear and see that
energy vibrancy the dynamism of the kids
screaming at the top of singing together
along with the raffle the music the
pizza the prizes the fun and and it's
amazing I love when you promoted on
shabas morning you said we spawned off
two other programs we have a BRS on MTI
shabas OB
and V and there's no Ste no
contradiction between them I will say
the other programs actually were hurting
this past week because everyone wanted
to go to Rabbi Brody swan song last last
Rabbi bro yeah in fact I'll tell you
I'll tell you a funny story I hope I
won't get in trouble for this for
several reasons but I was still in abub
and they were doing the raffle and I had
my son's tickets and he was at he was at
vinam he wanted to go check out what you
were doing and his sisters were there
and his niece's niece and nephew were
there and he want to check it out so I
was holding his raffle tickets and they
called and he won a raffle but he wasn't
in the room so the really so the fact
cheer who happens to be the the master
of raffle stopped in the whole room also
Zu him you know dark and music and
lights he's like Rabbi what's what's the
pck like what's the deal if you're not
in the room but you want the raffle do
you get it so I felt very on the spot
and I you know for someone else he might
have said yeah the parent could take the
prize for the kid the kid's in the
bathroom let's say in this case he was
at another program and it was me my own
son not put it back in do another raffle
so I I come home what happened and I
said you know you were you were in
vasham you were in aam they picked your
raffle prize but I said put it back in
he said why I said I couldn't show
favoritism to you you know they asked me
what to do as a rabbi couldn't you you
know what he said to me he goes Hunter
Biden's dad showed favoritism to
him my son's 12 years old I said how do
you know Hunter Biden Joe Biden how do
you know Hunter Biden's would have done
it for him yeah I was like actually KN
you get when a kid like hops
up but you know what I think what's
what's fun about the Raffles over the
years you know not everyone wins every
week he always try to give kids
something a little price but over the
years and it got so many years of
looking back at stories you always found
that the people that that needed it won
it was it's a strange thing to say but
time and time again and and I I'm
looking back down saying maybe he should
have won maybe he should have been the
room
did wi it you know like he was checking
out and it was amazing your energy was
amazing and maybe we'll even share a
clip right now from the final Rabbi
Brody vishin which we all know won't be
the final one because you'll be back
next year for a shabas your guest star
but it was the final official formal
exactly come back as as guack high
energy and amazing there was so much
love and I also came in for a couple
minutes because I my my daughters were a
couple of my daughters were there and
and my grandkids were there and you know
I said sitting there I go someone got to
grab the mic and thank Rob by Brody I
wasn't planning on it I really just came
in to see and to sit with them for a
minute and to watch you and I just
grabbed the mic because somebody I
thought it was appropriate to say thank
you and I just I started thanking RAB BR
started thanking you and I just I
started thinking that 25 years like I
brought my kid program and now I've come
to the program with my kids and their
kids so you you Brody that you know
people came with their kids and now
they're coming with their kids kids
their grandkids and and with their you
know the kids and their children and
that's that's a long time that the
program's never you've never lost team
you never lost energy you never grew
tired you never tried to hand it off to
anybody else you just built it and we
owe you so much for that and so much
more it it's interesting and again I
could think to so many different
programs that we started and stopped
started and stopped and sometimes you
look back you say maybe if I wouldn't
have stopped that program imagine where
it would be today like there's a few
things that you you also you've held on
to a few things and it's amazing to be
able to look back it's just it's it's
mind B I don't know if that there'll
ever be an opportunity to do something
my my life I know you know as long as
that consistent and just it's a less
let's keep going it was great it was
powerful so yeah there's a lot to do and
the truth is y by David Aaron really
inspires and empowers us to do a lot his
whole mission of optimizing our lives
and living with a sense of mission and
making sense of of this world to the
best that we can to be able to get get
through and navigate this world really
inspiring messages I'm really happy that
we had this conversation and RAB bro we
love you Ma on the I love you too man
and we're so proud
and and yeah just the beginning of of
the rest of this year celebrating this
and Contin to talk about it so without
any further Ado Rabbi David
Aaron welcome behind the Bea with Rabbi
David Aaron Rabbi Aaron we're so honored
and privileged that you've chosen to go
behind the Bea with us I know and we've
known you for a very long time from an
Israelite Israelite in boaron or many of
our our young people have learned and
grown so many have consumed your books
not only gathering information but
really transforming their lives so we're
very excited to have this conversation
and we appreciate you're making time for
us thank you so much so Rabon when I say
you know from these accomplishments and
we could go one by one and we'll talk
about Israelite and its Vision we'll
talk about the Yeshiva but the books and
and the content and the themes that you
come back to and that you emphasize that
you focus on that you inspire are
necessarily the ones that you even had
yourself growing up in your own
education in your own background in your
own childhood so if you had to summarize
if you had a billboard if you got an
elevator pitch with someone you had to
summarize what do you think of the most
the most important Jewish perspective on
life what is it that's missing that
people need to live more with what is
that thing and how did you yourself
Discover it and come upon
it I I think the billboard would be
called living on
purpose and that's what I've tried to do
with my life um I'm a son of a
Survivor uh my mother uh was 15 years
old in the concentration camp my mother
was one of those survivors that never
spoke about the Concentration Camp she
didn't want to burden her children so
she didn't speak about it but she
screamed about it in the middle of the
night when she had nightmares and I woke
up one night to her
screaming and I was bombarded with
questions is there a God and if there's
a God is he good and if he's good why is
the world so bad and if we're the chosen
people I wish we I wish I wasn't Jewish
I wish I wish you chose somebody else so
I was set up a long time ago to be a
philosopher I was tormented by these
questions and all the books that I've
written wasn't because I thought there
people out there that have questions let
me find answers for them all my books
are my own journey to find answers to my
own
questions so living on purpose means
don't just live randomly don't just live
with the momentum of life but find find
that purpose and live that purpose right
you have some cause you're here for
reason Reon you have a mission in life
we are agents and we have something to
do here and just like our fingerprint
will never be repeated in all of history
our soul print will never be repeated in
all of history and it's all about how to
live in service and how to be a channel
for actualizing that unique purpose that
we've come to this world to live how
does that help you resolve you know with
your mother the Holocaust surviving how
does that help make sense of of evil or
tragedy or bad things happening to good
people how does that help guide you now
in Israel as as we just lost another
group of heroic soldiers next to the
hly why is living on purpose and with a
sense of mission how does that make
sense of these
tragedies I don't think it makes sense
of these tragedies I think it helps us
cope and go on I I don't think you know
when people ask me you know why do bad
things happen to good people I thank
them for thinking must be the Messiah
the Messiah because I don't have that
answer mosu didn't get that answer uh I
I think the best we can do and I don't
think that's small is to how to keep
going forward and you know I I I I tell
my students don't ask why this is
happening to you or to us ask what this
happening is asking of us and so it's uh
turn your turn your pain into Power my
wife when she was giving birth she was
in excruciating pain having her
contractions and in the middle of her
excruciating pain she turned to me and
said could you calm down and I was the
one that needed an epidural I was
freaking out and I said and I was
shocked that she was so calm in the
middle of all that and she said I might
be in pain but I'm not suffering and
then she went into another intense
contraction which certainly looked like
suffering and then she came out of that
with this great incredible calm and she
said suffering is pain without purpose
this is the most purposeful pain I could
ever hope to have and so I realized and
I learn from my wife at that moment that
when you give pain purpose it turns into
power but when you don't give Pain any
purpose it turns into
suffering wow so what would you say the
opposite is and if we're not living
purposefully what what are people
doing the average let say Orthodox
person Jew what what what do you look at
them and say they're missing out on
something they're not because they're
doing this not I don't like looking at
someone and saying anything about them
in terms of judging them so we'll just
talk in an abstract way uh I think you
know I think are we getting up with some
sense that I've got a reason to be here
and there's enough pain in the world
that if I don't give it purpose then
what gives me any reason to get up
tomorrow morning and I think a lot of
people are just kind of getting by or on
are on automatic and just keep going
with the with their
flow and um and maybe they're putting
out little fires in their lives without
a sense of what is the what is the theme
of all this what's what's this big story
that we're part of and for me meaning is
Is Like Oxygen I absolutely need meaning
and meaning comes from being part of a
bigger story and finding your role in
that story and what is the where is that
story going and so if a person's life is
9 to5 and they get up in the morning and
they work and they make a little more
money a little more money but what is
this really really all about and I've
had many students from all walks of life
and all ages I mean not all ages but you
know starting from 18 to 80 years
old uh and and everybody I I I I find
are struggling with why does my life
matter and having a lot of matter
doesn't make my life matter you know I'm
having a lot of money and cars and you
know it's not enough and people know
it's not enough but sometimes they don't
know an alternative or it's not an
alternative necessarily I'm not
suggesting that people should give up
their money be you know because they're
looking for meaning but I I do ask my
students if you have to make a choice
between meaning and money now I'm not
suggesting that you'll be poverty
stricken and homeless I'm talking about
you'll have a home and you'll have a car
and you'll have food on the table but um
you know so you have enough to to live
you know modestly but if it was between
meaning and money what would you choose
I have never met a student I never said
that I would choose money over meaning
and yet it seems in so many ways that we
are making that choice in our daily life
without realizing that am I putting more
emphasis on the meaning than on the
money and am I by using my money
meaningfully who is there was an old
comedian who had that joke your money or
your life right I'm thinking about it so
I guess meaning is your life so that
that is that dilemma my question Erin is
the work that RAB bro let's say does for
now in boaron without outreaching his
partners program and and you know where
we live there's 150 160 170,000 Jews 90
plus percent of which are unaffiliated I
just came back I I was in London I
participated in I re been a conference
there and what I heard from all the
rabbis from across England um so many of
their congregations are filled with
people who are not Shamar shabas or
regular goers even though they may
belong to an orthodox school and the
question everyone had from the rabbis in
London who were asking this and RAB bro
you were struggling you were looking for
an answer to a question your mother's
experience you were trying to make sense
of it and when someone comes and they're
searching they're yearning they're
looking they're trying to make sense of
it this is the answer how do you Rattle
and shake up someone who doesn't know
it's missing someone who's living life
they live in a country club in bokeh and
financially they're stay secure they're
doing fairly well they think that
they're happy their marriage seems like
it's going well how do you take somebody
who thinks that they're living the dream
and rattle them to realize that mine is
the meaning you're not and and what
might feel good is is superficial that
you have a lot of matter but until you
feel you matter and so on and so forth
that's the question so the person who's
looking and searching and uring and
finds Israelite no WR finds Rabbi Brody
and partners finds a rabbi reads the
books it offers an answer so so much but
how do we who are on the front lines of
caring about this desperately and
wanting to share this with our brothers
and sisters we love how do we get them
what's what's the angle the approach to
get them to even realize that there's
something that needs to change I'm gonna
share with you a a pretty fabulous
story um you know in my early years as I
was aspiring to be involved with
Outreach I brly group of others just
like myself that were spying rabbis and
wanted to go to outreach to me with uh
Ritson young of Raa and asked her her
her techniques how to do Outreach you
know and so we met her at the Plaza
Hotel at that time was called Plaza
Hotel and I say to her there were about
10 of us and I say rbit and young rice
we're all aspiring Outreach
professionals and we'd like to know your
secrets your techniques how to reach a
Jewish person and so she you know she
turned to one of us and said well how
did you get involved with Judaism and
the guy said well I saw a flyer and it
made a lot of sense and there there was
a class I went to the class and it was
really interesting and now today I'm
religious I said well how long did it
take for you to go to their class after
you saw the flyer oh about a year later
oh a year later and she basically went
through each and every one of us asking
this question everybody started off with
this story this was the narrative uh my
life was great I had no questions I had
no issues I was happy I saw interesting
flyer it sounded like an interesting
class I went to the rabbis class I went
to more and then I started embracing
Jewish life into my life and everybody
at the end of her like she was like a
lawyer she just was going at each and
every one of us and questioning us and
at the end we all ended up saying well I
was confused I was questioning I had
issues and we didn't know what is she
doing she's not answering our question
he said we want techniques on how to
read somebody and she's just mopping the
floor with each and every one it was
showing that we were all putting on a
show that we had our life together and
that we were actually all struggling so
she she does this for an hour and a half
and I don't know how to stop her F she
said I hope I helped you and you know
we're all going to go to therapy after
this I what do you you help us I said
excuse me Revit said I must have
miscommunicated we wanted to hear
techniques how to reach somebody she
said I thought I just showed you the
most important thing you need to know we
don't know what is she talking about she
says I wanted you to all see how all of
you are were and still are in denial
that you had problems that you had
issues you were struggling and he you're
no different than everybody else
everybody's in denial of it nobody's
going to tell you their questions they
themselves aren't even telling them
themselves their questions all I can say
is be their friend be be be be be warm
and kind and there for them and when
they feel confident that they could
trust you
they will ask their
question and um that that was a
life-changing moment in my career to
realize don't expect them to share with
you their vulnerability that I'm in pain
that I'm struggling that I'm looking for
meaning that you know a lot of people
are in denial you can either face your
problems deny your problems or solve
your problems most people are in denial
you know but I don't know anybody
doesn't have problems you know
if you're human you've got a problem and
the question is you know do you think
that Judaism has a solution to your
problem and a lot of people even the
ones that are aware of their problems do
not think that Judaism has anything to
do with or anything valuable to share
that will address their
problem um and that's uh that's what I
do that's what I trve to do is there a
way to scale that and Goldberg mentioned
some very very big numbers just here in
South Palm Beach right 80,000 50,000
whatever the numbers are London is a
very big area that got a lot of Jews
that are not connecting how do you how
do you how do you take a small group of
rabbis in each of these communities and
and and make
Torah present Torah in such a way which
you can reach the
masses well you know there's two types
of Jews first of all there's the ones
that are not searching and I still
believe deep inside they they they they
they are hurting I don't believe they're
not hurting I think they've used a lot
of you know Western culture to a lot of
Western culture is one big painkiller
you know we're constantly avoiding our
pain but okay but some people are aware
of their pain I think there's a lot of
people that are aware of their pain and
would like to talk to somebody but they
don't think they're going to talk to a
rabbi because what has he got to do with
this I'll talk to a therapist I'll talk
to a a counselor or something you know
or I'll or I'll go for another vacation
or I'll drink a little more or you know
so I I think the first thing that we
need to do is um you know in advertising
the first the the the ultimate question
that every advertisement commercial must
answer is what's in it for
me and and most people think that what's
in it for me in Judaism is um is fear
and guilt you know we have a branding
problem you know if you say Christianity
what comes to people's minds love and
forgiveness when you say Buddhism what
comes to people's minds spirituality and
mindfulness when you say judios to
people what comes to their mind fear and
guilt yeah we have a serious branding
problem you know we have a really
serious branding problem and and and and
and what we need to do is what companies
do when they have a serious branding
company when they have a serious brand
problem is we need to Rebrand ourself I
think you know Hashem the way most Jews
understand Hashem has a serious branding
problem you say Jesus and right away
love and forgiveness you say Buddha
spirituality mindfulness you say Hashem
oh guilt fear and Holocaust Holocaust
comes up too you know and so we have a
real serious branding problem but you
know I I met a fellow who's in in the
SMA program and he his mother left
Judaism became a Buddhist and his mother
told him that she has yet to have met a
Buddhist leader in America that's not
Jewish so I I think there's a lot of
Jews that actually are searching but
they don't think we've got the
goods and and they they just won't go to
our brand because they already have in
their heads in in the back of their
minds oh I I'm not going to go to a
religion full of rules and restrictions
and fear and and threat and and you know
even you know right now I'm learning
with my students um the teachings of Ru
cook on y shamay
y translat fear of God is probably one
of the most dangerous and one of the
biggest turnoff you know Concept in
Judaism like who wants to be afraid who
wants to live in fear thei says that all
of yish it's not aish to say all of yish
all of Judaism is about coming close to
Hashem you wouldn't want to come close
to someone you're afraid of so clearly
there a misunderstanding that people
think that fear of God means I'm afraid
of God that I'm I I live under threat of
God he I'm I'm I'm worried he might hurt
me a lot of people have these confusions
and we need to solve that but the first
thing is how to get people to the door
and I think in there's there's a way
that modern marketing knows how to
interest people and uh and I think we
need to turn to those experts and I bet
you a good few of them are Jewish the
the marketing yeah the marketing and
branding issue is is both Kap it's the
way the World Views judism and even more
importantly until we know who we are
until we believe in ourselves until
we're projecting the right brand and
image we got to do it internally so I
want to go back to your life right you
you're young you're you're you're now an
adolescent philosopher trying to make
sense of life where did you grow up and
God forbid not to say anything negative
about the teachers or schools or
influences in your life early but the
system apparently didn't provide the
answers you have now spent your life
writing and lecturing and creating other
platforms to give this answer the system
didn't at what point did you realize
that you going to find the answer within
the system the way it is not to suggest
I wasn't your system uh I was at a
Hebrew school that was 2 hours a day uh
after my public school and that was just
a unpleasant experience uh zero feeling
of adding any value to my life in fact
it was robbing me of the opportunity
that all my friends have which was after
school to go watch Batman and Superman
and now somebody's trying to convince me
that Moses and a and are superheroes
come on you know what I mean like where
where in the world where did you grow up
which area I grew up in Toronto Canada
Toronto okay right I have a Brooklyn
accent because I made Al so I learned
how to speak New
York but uh yeah so so I grew up knowing
I was Jewish my parents told me that at
my barisa I wouldn't have to go to
Hebrew school anymore that would be my
bar mitzvah gift and um my bar mitzvah
was a money maker I I just thought it
was you know I everything I thought
about is how I get them to add more
zeros to their checks in terms of the
gifts uh there was no meaning it was it
was unpleasant I was beat up for being
Jewish they the kids beat me up because
I I killed Jesus I told him I don't even
know the kid I never even played with
the kid um I didn't know I I don't know
Jesus you know and so so I grew up not
feeling so happy about being Jewish I
wasn't proud of it I didn't feel it was
any gift it was no blessing it was a
burden
um uh but then somebody suggested I I go
to uh some program called free Torah
high and I said well if it's free and
you get high you know but night there
Tor was jius I'm
in and uh it was hosted by
ncsy and
um I I don't know I I I realized maybe I
should I should go so I went and there
was a class called introspection and I
said oh I'm not going to that one that's
exactly what I don't need anymore
because I was so I was I was in denial
of my tormented soul I did everything I
could to not listen to my soul that kept
asking for what's the purpose and point
of all this but I I decided to go to
that class and the guy that gave the
class was a very um really interesting
uh colorful funny guy that loved being
Jewish and had sitas and aipa and I
didn't understand how that's possible
anybody loved being Jewish so I came
back to another class and then you know
invited me to a shatone and then I I
suddenly discovered that Judaism is
beautiful Judaism is powerful Judaism is
elevating and inspirational and that I I
didn't know that was have anything to do
with judism I suddenly found the Judaism
that wasn't about the pain and the past
but about the power and the future of
what we can do so um that's that's
that's that's kind of where it started
where I was surprised that I definitely
had a branding issue with my my
tradition and my Heritage and my
identity and suddenly I got a better
brand or a better approach to the
brand uh when I went to Israel and I was
18 to aapu
yiva and uh was most interested in the
CL classes in m and philosophy because I
was such a philosophical kid asking all
these questions all the
time and uh then I got involved with the
teachings of the secrets of Torah pemus
a Torah the inner secrets and because
I'm I'm a very systematic kind of a
thinker I like to see things in systems
I found the teachings ofid and and the
teachings of the arizo very um very much
of a draw because I was looking for a
system is M seem to be bits and pieces
and a nice idea here and a nice idea
there but what's the big
picture and that is what I have
been basically driven to articulate is
the the big picture that gives meaning
to the details and did you stay in
Israel after that from then on in did
you ever end up coming back yeah now I
came back when I got my SM I got a job
as a uh to work for Benet Griff it was a
um experiment me because benth although
calls itself non-denominational but I
don't think there was any Orthodox
employees at the time I think I was the
first one um and uh so I I I I worked
there for a year uh but I just my soul
you know just was pining for going back
to the land of Israel so I eventually
went back to Israel and I started
teaching in different yeshivot and then
I started my own outreach program called
Israel light which uh morphed into a gap
yiva called The
raita Who who would go ahead yeah I just
wondering is
Israelite which now morphs into Ora is
it because you believe at that age let's
say 18 or 19 years old it's the best
opportunity to try and educate people um
this understanding not necessarily no I
it's because I feel that that that age
group is the Future Leaders of our
people and so I want to you know at a
certain stage in my career I felt that I
want to pass the Baton on who is going
to be the next Generation that'll be
leaders and they can teach these types
of
teachings um you know so in a certain
way the things I teach are uh more
appropriate to adults but a lot of
adults are kind of like past their Prime
in terms of now they're going to be
leaders in they're they're already kind
of they're not there might be leaders
but these 18year old guys are they're
just heading for leadership whether
they're going to be rabbis or whether
they're going to be on Boards of schools
or whether they're going to get into
Israel activism or whatever you know
whatever it is but so um yeah who who
were the who are the influences in your
life I know you got SM from it and and
other places that you learned other
other ranam that you've been drawn to to
is their particular or withinus who who
are the living and no longer living
influences that have shaped your view
and giving you your sense of mission so
um I became very close to
raom and um he invited me to start
learning together privately we learned
every day for about three hours a day uh
learning the uh texts of the
arizal and um I went and at the end of
every session I came up with some kind
of hopefully interesting question that I
could ask him his thoughts on one of the
questions I asked him is where can I
find the Torah that will set my soul on
fire and he said R cook and Rado the lbl
rabbi and I was surprised because he had
never mentioned r sadik or Ru cook in
all the time that we'd spent and uh I uh
I I I I said what most people offer as a
critique of Ru cook I said but where's
Ruff Cook's
sources and and my rebi Fisher said call
Torah kulo the totality of Torah if R
cuk were to give you this midash or that
gamorra or or or or you know or that zor
you still wouldn't see it you'd have to
know all of Torah to know that this is
the shot this is the most fundamental
understanding of it now if ROM Fisher
says that to me then I I said okay
because when I would ask forom Fisher a
question where does it say x he would
scan the entire Torah in his head he'd
go it's not pish it's not enough it's
not the midash it's not the Zar it's not
the Gamora and they oh wait it isn't the
Zar he passed that long time ago and
then he would go to his shelf and pull
it off and open it up it's here it is so
he he he so was so
incredibly he just knew it all it was
unbelievable and he says to me R sadik
and Ru cook so that set me on a journey
to start learning the texts of r s and
Ru cook so I'm most influenced by their
teaching
uh but I'm not uh I'm
not you know fixated on anybody wherever
can get wisdom that will help me make
sense out of the the basics because I
find the basics are the most profound
the most essential and yet often the
most neglected Jewish Education I'll
give you an example you know I asked my
students what does the word baruk mean
they all right away say blessed and I
said okay great what has blessed mean
and they look at me I said when you say
blessed are you hasem what did you say
they say thank you no we got a word for
thank you
that's okay what did you say and it's
amazing this word comes up over and over
again uh and rarely have I met anybody
that knows what the word bar means you
know Ric says that if he were asked to
sum up all of Judaism a few words he
would say it's Barat and that all of
Jewish life is living and acting Barat
you know things like that I I just met a
fellow he he even done a gap year
Yeshiva and he's struggling uh and he's
struggling and we're talking and I said
you know I you're struggling but I'm not
sure you you're struggling with an
understanding of Judaism you know like
he's like he's not really completely
with the program uh I said but you don't
even know the program and I asked him
basic questions in Judaism and he's had
a he had years of studies of Torah and
he went to a gap year and even
afterwards he continued his studies but
he's still struggling and I'm asking him
basic questions on Judaism and he
doesn't have answers he's never even
heard this you
know I begin the year is I do birat T
because I fig that's a great way to
start the year we'll do the blessings
that we say you know every morning and
preparation for the Torah of the day and
I asked the students how many of you
ever studied the birat Torah very few
and I thought like well but here's
something that we're saying every day
it's supposed to set the stage for the
Torah that we say surely theam the sages
have encoded in this in these blessings
what does it mean to learn Torah what
how how to learn Torah what's the goal
of learning Torah and it's all there you
just read it carefully it's all there so
um I think we got to go back to
basics but do you find that there are a
lot more people post October 7th that
are now looking for the basics have you
seen an
uptick yes I I I well I think a lot of
people have been shocked
by you know like suddenly they're waking
up to wow somebody hates me enough to
want to kill me just because I'm
Jewish
why why why is that so important to them
and not important to me that it's so
important to them that they would even
risk their lives to take my life like so
a lot of people are in question mode and
the anti-Semitism that is just like just
torn through the world even I as a son
of a Survivor I actually thought that
anti-semitism
was nothing like this I mean we
scratched the surface and Sh whoa like
wow I I didn't I I didn't think it was
there so much I thought yeah sure
there's still anti-Semitism but I it was
P you know I think a lot of people are
waking up who are we you know what why
why you know there's a a Jewish comedian
who said you know I actually prefer
anti-Semitism I'd rather people hate me
before they get to know me you know you
know so know somebody hates me and they
don't even know me so who so they know
something about me that I don't know
what is it I think this is a really
opportune time sadly sadly when things
are rough that's when a lot of people
wake up and ask the
questions but I think
um I think people are more receptive to
start listening but they need to hear a
Torah that is not what they expected to
hear or the Torah that they I mean a lot
of them don't know anything about Torah
but but again branding wise if you ask
the person on the street what's Judaism
about they probably say rules and
probably say fear and guilt and
Holocaust and things like that so if
someone's listening to behind the Bea
they're watching or listening behind the
Bea and they're introduced to her by
David Aon like wow this this is a
language I can connect with and this is
this is waking me up and I I want more
of this I want to start studying that
pemus I want to tap into that
eternity what should they start with and
and it can't be a rabbi Aaron book eight
bestsellers and your books capture so
many of much of this and certainly they
should um they should buy and read all
of those but but if it's not one of your
books is there an area of Torah and I'm
talking let's say it's we're not talking
about the unaffiliated uninitiated we're
talking about maybe the disaffected the
the Gap here the one who whose parents
spent hundreds of thousands of dollars
on their Jewish Education only to leave
a dispassionate uninspired confused not
even know that something's missing
someone pursuing collecting a lot of
matter instead of mattering and now they
hear you they hear us in this
conversation they say I'm going a s Kusa
I'm ready I'm leaning in what's safer
well I think you surprised to hear that
it's it's it's a safer of Ru cook you
know anything today there are a lot of
running that are writing and translating
Ru cook and offering commentary rev cook
but um I think people will be um
pleasantly surprised to hear a very
different um different approach which
was was was really was the tradition R
cook is not making this stuff up but I I
you know I've been most impacted by R
cook I think R cook um is answering many
of the questions that we're struggling
with he lived from 1865 to 1935 so
there's that big transition from the
1800s to 1900s when philosophy and the
Industrial Revolution and a lot of
things kir is becoming you know heresy
is becoming a popular movement and R
cook has this beautiful article on the
the spiritual cont distribution of
atheism imagine that you know that isn't
that interesting he asks there must be
some providential reason why Hashem is
allowed for this and it's it's just
really Paradigm shifting it really
is tell us about the Israelite um I know
IM morphed in right is it still active
on its own are there still um away
Israelite isn't a place it's it's a
website it's content it's an approach
coach uh it's a it's a curriculum and uh
it's been applied to 18y olds it can be
applied to other ages and other stages
of Jewish involvement but it's a it's a
Shah it's an approach but this the the
um the um not Conference of weekends and
shabbatones and and those we were going
to do that we when we started a WR there
we were going to do both but a right to
took off so much became so popular and
required so much um resources human and
other so it turned out that that's
really the focus of it all so tell us
about a writer then because I know wrer
has a little bit of unusual philosophy
and and obviously correct me if I'm
wrong but I I've had the privilege to
speak there we've recruited for AR
Yeshiva from there and we have students
RAB bro's own son-in-law um um you know
has a relationship with you my
understanding is right this approach is
sort of we're not going to indoctrinate
or Force anyone anything if we can't
inspire you enough about daving and you
don't come to daving no one's going to
hold that against you check in on you or
consider you absent is that is that
accurate No it's not accurate oh okay we
will not force you to dve in but you do
have to show up
to we a community and you can't have
some guy sleeping in bed while the other
guys are going to mina we all got a
minion and we're not going to force you
to pray not g to force you to put on
your Fillin you can sit there and learn
but but we're we're together it's a
program you signed on that's what we do
I don't believe in forcing anybody pray
you know what I mean hopefully I'll be
able to inspire them to want to pray and
ex and and and understand it um but uh
but you know all right if you miss
minion in the morning then you are
invited to uh a sh at 2:15 in the middle
of your break so you have a little bit
more of a motivation to get up for
Minion and then at that break you know
you're you're you're it's not a
punishment it's just let's talk about
what your issues are and why you're not
getting up
but it's not like we're going to
confiscate this or we're
gonna that's just not our approach that
look I don't think it works even if he
if he did use that approach I don't
think it works and if it does work it
only modifies Behavior but it doesn't
transform people what what year did I
write to start how how many years are we
into it 17 years 17 years and what have
you seen over those 17 years obviously
the world has changed radically
technology has changed um so in terms of
the the boys themselves the students the
BAM those who attend could you give us a
little insight from what you've seen in
the change of those 17 years from you
know your opening group of students to
the students today what are some of the
challenges opportunities how have things
changed with the students look when we
started a right day you're starting a
yiva it's not an easy thing to sell
people so you basically say yes to
anybody that moves you know you will oh
you Jewish okay but we actually in our
first year got some really good guys but
there wasn't a tremendous select
process now we've got a lot of guys that
are that are that are applying and so we
can choose the guys that we think are
best suited for what we
do um the aiva essentially is for lack
of a better term a very comprehensive
approach you know uh a lot of places put
a lot of emphasis on learning gamor
almost all day long uh when I went to
Yesa we learned gamor all day long we
learned the half an hour of before Shak
and we learned the half an hour of mus
before Mari but other than that was
gamorra all day long um here we take all
our all our topics seriously we learn
gamor seriously in the morning and and
and at night but we also have serious sh
in we have
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serious we aspire to give people a a
balanced meal uh that is addressing the
heart and the and the mind and
Soul uh there's good singing and dancing
and very spirited
shabot uh and so basically we're just
trying to give people something that's
whole and balanced and and and and has
all the ingredients together have you
seen you've seen young people's
attention span change with the Advent of
Technology are you competing now for
their attention because of the internet
technology smartphones
absolutely years
ago with their phones
and uh it their their their level of
concentration has been impacted that's
for sure but we still are making
tremendous strides with these guys and
um yeah you know trying to tell them you
know put your put your tell your phone
into a little box on my table we don't
we don't do that we try to empower them
and get them to want to be at the Shor
and and point out you know you know
during one of my shirim I had them take
a five minute break
not a break but to look at this text
while they were looking at the text one
of the boys was looking at his phone
underneath the desk so I took my phone
out and I sent him a
message pH I said he was looking at him
went he looked
upct so basically when I catch a guy
looking at something underneath this
table then I will send them a WhatsApp
after class and say forgive me but I
think you were distracted perhaps by
your phone and am I wrong and they
generally will saying you're not wrong
and I apologize I won't do it
again um that's the way I try to do it
try to be patient and try to
inspire
um I just think that's but then
generation needs and it's going to
respond to for sure yeah between mamar
maybe it's sure I'll send out a group
text from your phone or R MOS his phone
to the whole yeah we find
stult you getar
V Tor and and everyone's looking at
their phones all right so I'm just
wonder just a few quick things my head
it's like spinning here with all these
uh things that you're saying when you
started the Yeshiva you Yeshiva start uh
all over Israel you weren't just
starting it in y but but you started in
in uh in the old city so first question
one is I'm
wondering how important is it to you
that the yiva is in the old city of you
and question number two is do you think
that's something that could be done with
adults any let's say you have some
adults in our sh that they maybe they
don't let's say Shak on shabas is 9:00
and they show up at 9 o' 9:30 or 9:45
would you say hey let's talk about it
during a week is there something going
on like I was never approached by my
Rabbi host Yeshiva and saying well hey
what's going on is there a reason you
don't want to come earlier is there
would they be annoyed by something like
that I'm just wondering what you would
use I don't know what what I do know is
when parents come to my
shim they love it more than kids do I
think the adults are even more ready for
the kinds of things uh that certainly
that I'm teaching uh the the the the 18y
olds are getting it too but the older
you are the more vintage your questions
become uh you know an answer is only as
good as you question and as you get
older the question gets you know more
more potent I I think it's all about
education I mean you know i' I've got a
course on SCH EST I go word for word
what do we say what's the structure of
sh EST what are we trying to accomplish
and it's now meaningful so it's hard you
know it's hard for somebody to go to
shou and they don't know what they're
saying they don't know who they're
saying it to they don't know why who
they're saying to would be interested in
hearing what they had to say I is as a
kid when I went to synagogue I just
didn't understand any of this because I
thought why can't we just I remember the
rabbi used to call out pages I said why
don't we do that you know just say that
you know Master of the Universe page
why why do I have to say this and not
understand this and I I it's just
amazing how how just basic things that
we do every day we haven't really spent
a lot of time or maybe even any time
understanding what we're actually saying
when you
say that's all of Judaism right there my
course in in my philosophy class is just
that you know I'm actually writing a
book on it and it looks like it's going
to end up being 25 chapters because I go
through every single word what it
actually means and then of course I sum
it up but if I don't know what I'm
saying how could I enjoy that how can
that fill me
up the Yeshiva is not in New York it's
not in bokeh it's not in the diaspora
it's it's in the heart of Y it's in it's
in Israel talk to us a little bit about
the last year and a half in Israel how
this war has impacted you your students
your family um who's serving the
horrific losses and even the most recent
news of this um it seems like a
handshake on a on a ceasefire that you
know to many it's very welcome to others
it's it's devastating and and and
disastrous hopefully I D in hard because
I don't feel entitled to an opinion
certainly from from we D in hard it
doesn't divide us this ceasefire because
that's how we got into this to begin
with we were so divided talk to us a
little bit about your experience
personally and and how you see your
responsibility as a rashash of a of
Yeshiva of Gap year students who are
living through living through history
which we always are every day but but
particularly
now you know I heard a fabulous sheer
from Rabbi tkis
of he uh did a he did a Shear on the
Jewish response to
suffering and really excellent really
excellent and um so he asked the
audience how many people here have grown
from julus occasions not a lot of people
put their hands up he said how many
people here have grown from painful
occasions and a lot of people put up
their hands he said look at I'm just
pointing out that we seem to grow from
Pain more than from pleasure and I think
the boys because of the pain that we're
witnessing during these times has
brought them to think a lot more take it
more seriously uh feel more identified
with the Jewish people and um you know
sadly sadness
is a is is something that puts people in
a state of mind of Greater SE seeking
and greater thirst for clarity so
um I think it's contributed to the
seriousness of their learning and the
groundedness of their um desire to grow
as
Jews uh yeah for whatever you see this
in the context of not just a war with
Statistics but this is Gula like within
the Tor R cook is this all part of
unfolding Gula is that part of the your
message uh it's something I believe but
it's not so much part of my message uh
you know it's um something I believe but
it's not something that I keep Haring on
like this is the ghoula don't worry
about it I'm not well I'm not even
comfortable saying I think it's a little
too too easy to kind of like you know I
was with my granddaughter I took her out
she my my my my daughter lives in B Al
and took out my granddaughter's four
years old and we I took her to the
playground and as soon as we walked out
of the house she said to me Saba if
there's a siren we have to go right away
into a bomb shelter that's the first
thing she thought about and so I played
a little dumb and I said well where is a
bomb shelter and she said all they
everywhere everything is a bomb shelter
and then I said to her well what is this
what how will I know it's a siren what
will it sound like she's 4 years old she
thought and she said like somebody
crying like somebody crying I think
we're all
traumatized at different levels but it's
it's and uh and it goes back to what my
wife taught me if you turn if you give
your pain purpose it will turn into
Power if you don't give it any purpose
it's going to turn into it's going to
turn into suffering so uh we talk about
meaning we talk about what's it about
you know how can we contribute what what
role can I play lay my my my my my
responsibility to the Jewish people my
responsibility to the
world and it goes back to live on
purpose don't just get up and keep doing
what you did because that's what you do
you know but uh look for a way to
contribute and and be a player not just
uh you know just be someone in the
audience watching the
game love that very powerful RAB Aron
thank you for going behind the Bea with
us sharing this you so much for inviting
me and the pleasure to chat thank you so
much thanks for all that you do and we
really encourage everyone take advantage
of of the books there's so much more of
those teachings and there's so much more
to talk about which hopefully we will so
thank you stay safe and well and may we
hear BOS toos thank you so
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