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#146: Behind the Bima - Sam Lessin
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Sam Lessin is a prominent figure known for his multifaceted career, encompassing roles as a tech entrepreneur, investor, and former Facebook executive. Beyond his professional accomplishments, Lessin is also recognized for his passionate advocacy and support for Israel. His contributions are not limited to just business or technology; he has been actively involved in initiatives and efforts that promote the welfare and security of Israel, demonstrating a commitment to its causes. For more on Sam's work to steer Harvard in the right direction, see here: https://www.samforoverseer.com/. - Introductory Conversation - Interview
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from bokeron Florida this is behind the
beima on this episode Rabbi globber and
co-host Rabbi Philip MTZ are joined by
Harvard alumnus and technologist Sam
leson a tireless advocate for Jews in
Israel and higher institutions Sam
shares his thoughts on the downturn of
Harvard's prestigious reputation within
the Jewish Community talks about his
continuous fight to reestablish an
atmosphere conducive to Jews in Israel
and shares strategies to implement this
change plus once again it's Global
campaign time all this and more behind
the beima welcome to behind the Bea
joined by my dear friend and colleague
Rabbi masit Rabbi bro is not with us
this week he's back in Israel as we
continue to regularly go support love
show up and hopefully one day figure out
a way that we are all there together RAB
mosco it's always good to be with you my
friend it is excellent to be with you as
well this a great conversation we're
bring in tonight Sam Lon we'll talk more
about in a moment but we didn't know
much about him before we were introduced
to him in the wonderful work he's doing
to try to take back back Harvard to not
give up on higher institution and Jews
Comfort there but it was a fascinating
conversation but what were you about to
say I was gonna say when are you going
next you just uh said or Brody's there
you said please God will be continuing
to go but you have a trip coming up also
don't you I do going in a couple weeks
for three days each of these trips are
really mini trips micro trips uh barem
have two weddings from the community
very excited about and the ability to
participate and to celebrate wish we
could always go to all weddings
everywhere doesn't work out that way no
exact science to it but the opportunity
did present itself and to be able to go
for the weddings and also go to continue
to to connect and to feel the energy the
Israel energy right now continues to be
extraordinary we hope it never
dissipates or unravels but it's still
very very powerful the spiritual
awakening the Aus the sense of mission
and purpose the notion of being part of
something bigger now you spoke about
that the shabas we're going to take
people behind the beam a little bit or I
am about to um you you've been
am I being interviewed tonight yeah
you're being interviewed tonight it's
good okay you you've been giving dr's
now since October 7th about Israel I
think pretty much every week has been
about Israel take us behind the scenes
behind the beam a little bit as a rabbi
because you spoke about this exact idea
of of always having to renew our passion
not letting ourselves get tired not
letting ourselves feel exhausted or
complacent but renewing our efforts on
behalf of Israel what was the Genesis of
that druss is it something you were
feeling is it something you feel our
community was feeling um maybe walk our
listeners through the evolution of your
J there P wow wow I didn't see that
coming um you know it's been tough for
both of us for rabbis everywhere who and
I actually I shouldn't say that rabbis
everywhere because a relative of mine
from Israel was recently in America and
was shocked by the disconnect at what
they thought was a Toni community and
how it Israel did not permeate the drusa
the sermon and the atmosphere and the
programming certainly was a community
that is committed to Israel and and you
can feel that but it wasn't as present
as it is let's say for us here not that
we're better than anyone else but but we
we can't and haven't moved on since
October 7th every single sermon since
October 7th that's now the end of
February has been about Israel every
article since October 7th has been about
Israel because every day and every hour
is about checking what's happening in
Israel what's the latest news from
Israel and what could we doing for
Israel what Israel does of course for us
so I I've essentially given the same
Russia every single week for four or
five months in a row it's just figuring
out different Torah different story
different hook different connection but
every single druss is really what's
sharing what's on my heart and my mind
and I and I feel based on the feedback
and the energy in the room is on other
people's is just to stay connected so
who's our hero this week which story are
we connected which movement what we've
done though and I know you've done this
also in your Dres is is talk about
Israel but in a way that we're not
talking about something 6,000 miles away
this story this connection this model
all this example how does that Inspire
us here how does that change us here
what more can we be doing here in in
that way so I can't help but feel and I
had a meeting last week I guess that
must have motivated the druss a bit
where a couple people in the meeting
shared that there's some fatigue
happening right the outrage that we had
on October 8th the outrage the passion
that poured itself out in in rallies in
the street and in just outrage the
outrage as is to be expected I think
it's only natural it simmers the outrage
gets ton down and so we need to remain
outraged we have to stay outraged
because the war is still going the
threat Remains the losses tragically
continue to to pile up and so the
outrage and the stories that are still
coming out and the impact that will be
felt for a long time so that was it it's
just how can we shake
off and the image of the crew of being
children and how can
we remembers the that we insisted on
keeping that youthful exuberance and and
and vivaciousness and energy
and freshness to whatever it is that we
care about including Israel that's where
it came from well I know as a listener
in the audience I don't oftentimes get
to hear you speak I'm often times
speak but as a listener it was exactly
the message that I needed and that's why
I I connected the two because I know for
me personally it's the trips to Israel
which really give you that Renewed
Energy in commitment I know for me like
every time I've come back so far you
come back a new person you come back
with A New Perspective and you come back
with a new renewed mission of like I
have to bring what's happening in Israel
to our community and I know that's why
I'm excited for you to go because I know
what that drush is going to be
afterwards and how on fire you are and
how passionate you are and I know for
the community they look forward to that
thank you I and I really appreciate that
feedback but I tell you a story you know
my sister told me whose son she has two
sons-in-law serving and her son who's in
Gaza fighting and has been and she said
you know most days she says I wish this
war what over not that she's certainly
not advocating for a ceasefire but I
want him home I want him safe I want to
know where he is and and why do we have
to be there and then something will come
across her her feed or her her WhatsApp
uh you know another video an interview a
story because still there are things
being revealed now about October 7th the
level of the atrocity and the how
barbaric and how horrific it was and she
says while people choose to turn away
and not look or not watch sh daava even
to a degree craves watching or reading
because it renews the outrage and every
time that she sees that story or that
video of the bibas family being paraded
in Gaza and what's happening with this
baby every time the outrage is renewed
inside her she says no Sammy stay fight
take them out not till this is over not
till this is done and so what gives her
the will and the and the perseverance to
get through her son being in Gaza
fighting is only the sense of outrage of
how important it is for him to be there
so I know there's a big debate I think
we've had had it in our off the Record
but the big debate not between me and
you but generally the debate about is it
good or bad that these videos are out
there should people watch them not watch
them are they dignified or not dignified
there is an element of that we should
actually be watching them again and
maybe Israel should release that
42-minute video of of the depth of the
atrocity because it's time to renew some
outrage it's time to remember what
happened it's incredible it's
extraordinary how quickly that can
dissipate it's only February and it was
October and and and not 75 80 years
later and yet the original outrage of
the images that we saw have already
dissipated maybe we need to Kickstart it
again because the war is still going on
and renew the outrage do you get that
sense when it comes to Unity as well I
remember after October 7th this we
always spoke about this unprecedented
Unity both here and in America and in
Israel um I obviously you and I can't
speak about what's going on in Israel
but locally in America do you feel that
same pervasive unconditional Unity that
we felt after October 7th or do you feel
that that's starting to show its cracks
as well I think on a People level on a
personal level individuals there's still
the unity I think a Jew runs into
another Jew who they didn't have a lot
in common with before and they just
connect over wearing the dog tags or the
mugging doid or the flag on their car
and the wink and the wave and the nod
and the we're one I think is still there
institutionally um I I don't know that
it's as strong as it could be or should
be or was or we want it to be I wish it
were more I wish it were more what do
you think what do I think I I agree I
agree I think the dog tags have been
like a huge symbolic connection that you
have with anyone you know someone came
to meet with me the other day not from
our community but they were willing the
dog tag and that was like an immediate
point of connection and you're able to
build off that you could be in a
supermarket and you see that dog tag and
you know immediately that there's this
shared language between you and the
other person even if you don't know
anything else about them so I agree you
know when I'm driving down the street
and I see the flags on a car or you go
to a parking lot and you see the Flags
in a car immediately you feel
comfortable you feel at home and so I
definitely think on a personal level I
know for me personally also um I have
made like a concerted
effort peace you know peace between
people peace between congregants peace
between me and other people like I've
really made an effort to not let other
things get in the way of reminding us
how much we have in common and how much
we're all in this together and
institutionally I agree I think we all
have continued work to do both locally
and nationally to remind every one that
we're all in this together and that what
we share far outweighs what divides us
and you know the longer it goes on the
longer you become reminded of those
divisions but it it's it's so
insignificant in the broader scheme of
things and I think that's you know you
and I as Leaders of communities I think
that's ultimately our job is to
constantly remind people of what we have
in common of what our shared values are
and that sometimes the little things
which appear much more significant and
much bigger they're really not what
matters is we're one people we're one
heart we're one Soul we have one land
and we have to be there for each other
there's a perfect example of a jussa
that you and I have both given and I'm
sure many others have that says that if
we want peace in Israel and for Israel
how can we make peace in our home with
our family with someone we haven't
spoken to so Israel becomes a topic of
the Jes right every week it's connected
to Israel but it's not about Israel so
to say it's about it's about us um and I
think that's the the way to approach it
and and it's a beautiful message that
you're saying and I don't know if you
want to elaborate on it or just motivate
others to think someone in their life
that they're not as connected to or
there's friction with or there's
something that could be cleaned up fixed
up and and connected and and renewed
that on October 6th it would have been
unheard of no way not I can't let that
go absolutely not but on October 8th
it's like how could it possibly be worth
holding on to that exactly and you know
I'm always reminded you know we said the
last word we say Esra every day is
Shalom peace last Mish and all of Shas
talks about the value of Peace so you
know our rabbis 2,000 years ago
obviously value that as the most
significant attribute a person can have
and it's as you said it's something that
I can't necessarily fix Israel I can't
get terrorists to stop attacking but I I
could do my little part on a local level
to make sure that all those frictions
and all that divisiveness um stops to
exist and I think that's a lesson that
everyone can have and as you said and
this is really a lesson I learned from
you 13 years ago which is that you could
be giving a druss about a topic that's
6,000 miles away but unless you drive at
home for the person sitting in that
audience as long as that person in the
audience has to have a takeaway like
when I leave this druss what is
something that I can do different in my
life to impact that and so we talk about
Unity as like a pie in the sky idea some
amorphus existential value but unless
you concretize that for someone when you
walk out of this room here's one thing
that you can do differently as a result
and I think I hope for our listeners if
everyone leaves this podcast and says
I'm going to reach out to someone in my
life who there may have been a little
bit of friction or I may not have spoken
to to I'm going to reach out to that
person I think we're going to be a lot
better as a whole I agree 100% we are
currently uh We've Just Begun the soft
start of our annual Global campaign and
you know I don't know I I'll say this
maybe I shouldn't but behind the beam my
guess is the place that I get to talk
about this is nowhere else um but just
maybe in an unhealthy way how
emotionally invested I am in the global
campaign in the sense that you put your
heart and soul into what you do and what
you share and what you try to provide
and and the community that we are trying
to build locally first and foremost but
also beyond that in terms of just the
the messages and the inspiration of the
values and you hope that it's valued and
maybe it's unfair to only measure
whether people value it by whether they
participate or Express their gratitude
or it's really not expressing gratitude
that we need thank you notes and flowers
and chocolates and Gifts nothing goes
into our pocket but the ultimate
gratitude is to say I value it and I
want to help expand it and grow it and
do and do more of it so it's the annual
sort of graveling and begging and and
soliciting but also the annual gut check
and maybe it shouldn't be but measure of
yeah there's clicks and there's listens
and so on but do the people really value
and then I once wrote about this that it
made me look in the mirror and ask
myself right I benefit from wut Tor or
safaria or Wikipedia and they they have
the pop-up annually that says you know
we're providing this free service but
we're asking you to help us make it
happen do I click out of it or do I say
you know I gain from this I should
sponsor something every year and it
really was a wakeup call to me just
knowing how I feel from this
saying you know I should and now I try
to so I guess reminding myself again now
the importance of it's not a major
contribution like our major stuck up
dollars not telling someone to take
their Meer or or 50% or 20% or 10% or 5%
of their Meer it's just a matter of
being counted among in some whatever way
you know so we're doing our Global
campaign I hope I hope behind the beima
you know behind the Bea thank God is a
wonderful wide audience and the the
statistics and the data show a lot of
listens and supposedly it might be
actually starting to stream in a very
exciting place that asked if they could
put it on their monitors for people to
choose from we won't say what it is
until it actually appears there and all
that's amazingly gratifying and
meaningful we want to do it better we
want to do more of it and we need
support to do it so if anyone is so
moved BRS Global BRS online.org Global
feel free to contribute and and express
your appreciation for behind the BBA but
also enable us to do it better and more
and reach more people and what's their
incentive this year to do it re unless
well there is a little incen this year
breaking news for those who did not see
the BRS weekly last week but uh BRS is
going to be hosting a yesai REO concert
on April 7th here at Boer tone synagogue
it is extremely exciting we're doing a
partnership with our friends at the
helping Israel frund all money all
proceeds from uh from our side of the
concert are going to be going towards
Israel to support soldiers front lines
BRS isn't making a penny off of this and
that was never our goal our goal is
always to utilize this as an opportunity
to magnify what we're doing and to share
you know the values of BRS with the
world and all the money is going to
Israel it's going to help support the
soldiers our friend Glen Gish helping
Israel fund and as an incentive for
those BRS Global Investors who give
above a certain level are going to be
entered into a raffle to receive two
free tickets to Boer Aton spend shabas
with us um in our community experience
the the magic of erss and
Be Our Guest VIP at the iso concert on
Sunday night if that is not incentive I
don't know what is that is a pretty good
incentive and when they're here right
we're g we're gonna fly them in two
domestic tickets fly to boka are they
goingon to get spend time we're going to
hang out maybe we have them on behind
the Bea maybe record I think we should
do the raffle maybe we're can do the
raffle on behind the Bea maybe even
yesai will join us on behind the Bea to
do the raffle and yeah I look forward
I'm a little nervous now who wins the
raffle but I look forward to meeting
this person to spending shabus with that
um I think it'll be a really great
experience we'll be able to highlight
them in our on our community that chabis
I think it'll be like a real blending of
the worlds you know sometimes you go
somewhere where you meet someone from
your personal life and then also from
your professional life and it's like the
BL I feel like this is going to be the
ultimate combination of like the global
world and our local world and it'll be a
real celebration of everything that uh
that you and that we have been building
over these last number of love it $180
get someone one raffle ticket 363
tickets 5005 tickets and so on and uh
you know I would hope one would think
that they should give anyway because
they're appreciative they're grateful
and again it's it's not just
appreciation you're enabling us the more
we have the more people we could reach
the more tooro we could spread the more
difference we could make and and
hopefully you want to be a partner of
that and as a our gratitude for your
gratitude you're in a raffle the REO
concert there's a lot of excitement
about the Rebo concert here at BRS
hopefully it's more than just a concert
that we're gonna have with him together
it will be special celebrate Israel
connect with Israel one of the great
musicians one of the great panim of our
time he is a a holy Jewish poet really
more than even just a singer and we're
really pumped and excited and like you
said the fact that the proes are all
going to Israel you know we have a
dinner locally and we need to support
and keep BRS strong so BRS can do what
it does locally and for Israel um and
that's that's our dinner we have our
efforts to keep ourselves locally strong
and then we have our effort to continue
to be contributing to Israel and the
combination of the two is really really
exciting as is just being together with
you RAB MTZ it is great to have you on
and uh I want to share with you a little
bit about about Sam Lon guest for
tonight really excited for Sam Sam is a
member of the Harvard class of 2005
graduated magnom loud in social studies
was a member of f Beta Kappa he worked
in technology started at ban and Company
then he founded two companies he was a
VP of product at Facebook he left
Facebook uh and he reported to the CEO
through the IPO of Facebook he was a
classmate actually of the founder of
Facebook Mark Zuckerberg 2014 he
co-founded a venture capital firm called
slow Ventures that has done very well
early invest in venmo salana Birchbox
and others I grew up in Anglewood New
Jersey right near me although not
overlapping apparently and and he's why
is it worth having our conversation with
him he's a wonderful fascinating person
alog together but after the whole
episode with Harvard president and
resigning in the Congressional hearing
he has been working hard to try to get
onto the board of overseers of Harvard
and to take back the governance to not
give up on higher education or Jews
ability to participate or be comfortable
there he's done a great job with that
there's a lot to say about that we're
excited to bring it to you right now Sam
Lon thank you for going behind the Bea
with us we're so excited to learn about
you your life your career and most
importantly what you're working on right
now on the front lines of fighting for
the Jewish people here in America in
some uncomfortable places so thank you
for spending some time with us thanks
for having me I'm happy to be behind the
Bea with you guys we appreciate it so
let's let's jump right into that we'll
go backwards and talk about you know
your amazing life story and your career
and things that you've been doing but
Harvard
Harvard is a used to be a prestigious
word an elite word a word that people
said with pride and and had bumper
sticker around their car and today
particularly in the Jewish and
pro-israel Community Harvard's now a
dirty word and Harvard's something that
you don't want to associate or identify
or necessarily connect with it it lost
its Prestige and and so on but you
haven't given up a lot of people have
given up after those Congressional
hearings presidents of Harvard and MIT
and Pen a lot of people gave up and said
we're done we're finished put them in
the rearview mirror and you have not
given up
so as a Harvard Alum just share with us
why why do you why are you have any
optimism that anything can be done and
what have you been working on to try to
to make that optimistic future a reality
yeah I mean as you said Rabbi I mean the
the it's been a depressing fall um you
know I think a lot of people um and
certainly the Jewish community and
candidly even beyond the Jewish
Community really saw Harvard um in a
certain light and you know you heard
stories about some of the changes and
issues on campus anti-Semitism Etc but
you kind of chalk it up to you know who
knows what's true what's not Etc and I
think post 107 it became all too real um
unfortunately how much the culture and
the campus had changed since I was a
student and since many people were
students there you know um as you said
speaking with many friends who have been
generous to Harvard who care about
Harvard over the years the reaction
largely especially on the west coast is
we have to move on right this is
unfortunately it's 400 years of history
and you know a challenging history at
moments a place that you know a lot of a
lot of Jewish people on Jewish alums
cared a lot about we just we have to
move on it's time for new institutions
Etc you know I'm a West coaster but I
also believe that some institutions are
quite powerful and Brands don't go away
overnight right and so I think that I
get the Instinct especially in the
creative community and the entrepreneur
Community to say We'll build the next
one don't worry about it we'll move on
but you know when you have 400 years of
history and probably the most well-known
academic brand in the world I think it's
worth a try to push back and say no like
is it really gone or do we just need to
put a little work in to bring it back
right and so I started working on that
and you know for me it was obviously
doing what everyone else did which just
saying I'm not giving any more money
until things are changed but then was
also saying you know there are these
boards the overseers being one of the
governing boards can we get a seat can
we start advocating more directly you
know can we start kind of put some some
pressure and I'll tell you the process
of doing this U has been both extremely
um frustrating in a lot of ways but also
actually quite heartening right and let
me give you kind of the both sides of it
the the frustrating part is the things
people say for all organizational
reasons it's incredibly hard to change
there are real issues you know there's
real deep problems that are going to be
very hard to move forward and fix all
true right all true and I've seen it
firsthand in many places the the
positivity though and this is again I'm
I'm I'm always an optimist because I
think these you have to be is one you
know working on this campaign the number
of people that have come out of the
woodwork
from all classes all schools and said
yes of course right of course we want to
support you you know of course this has
to change is enormous the number of
people even in leadership positions who
called me in private and said look you
can't use my name but I agree with what
you're doing please keep doing it is
very real and so I think there is a
culture of fear um there are some real
organizational problems it's not going
to be a simple fix but I will say that
you know having worked hard on a
campaign for the first six weeks now
having a mailing list of tens of
thousands of alums you know having you
know 2,900 go through a very Arcane
process to vote for me in terms of this
I have a lot of Hope actually that this
year and going forward with the right
application of uh of pressure with the
right Clarity of ideas that we can make
a difference here um so I'm not done and
how how do we make that difference if
Harvard if Harvard is redeemable and I'm
gonna I'm going to go out on a Lim and
say that everybody would agree if it
were redeemable if we can turn them
around and pivot them to support stand
with the Jewish community be more
pro-israel and and the issues that need
to be fixed that that certainly is the
better way to go because of all the
reasons you listed and more so let's
hope and assume they are redeemable
what's the strategy what's the method
what what did you try what wall did you
run into and how you going to run
through it yeah look I mean here's my
personal belief and strategy having
spoken to a lot of people and not just
Jewish alums I think it's very important
to keep in mind the fact that it's not
just Jewish alums who feel this way it's
it's a broad swath of the of the of the
of the alumni and I the the organization
in different Pockets I think we have to
reenter on the core principles of what
Harvard is supposed to stand for right
and to me it's very clear which is
Harvard has stood for 400 years in the
spirit of academic Excellence it's
literally in the slogan it's veratos
it's Truth full stop right and if we're
being honest I think what happened in
the last many many you know years
certainly since I was there I graduated
in 2005 is we've watched so many
institutions of the country fall right
or become not trusted anymore and so you
know rightly or wrongly what happened I
think is a lot of people in society they
want things to be better they want
things to change they say well what
institutions are still strong and what
can we ask them to do that's more than
their core mission in order to
accomplish it that's how all of a sudden
you get these changes where Harvard went
from purely being about academic
excellence and Truth to well is there a
Dei mission on top of that are there
other things we should be optimizing for
Beyond just the core mission of truth
and the problem with that it's a nice
thought some ways right the nice thought
is okay these institutions are strong
and there are problems we have as a
society maybe they can pick up more
slack the problem is that it's not
designed to do that right and so what
happens is when you complicate the
mission which has clearly happened it
puts pressure on the board these boards
are not designed to be very strong right
they're donor boards in a lot of ways
and so when all of a sudden it's not hey
we're optimizing for Veritas we're
optimizing for Veritas plus diversity
plus other social
issues the boards don't know how to
trade those and candidly they don't want
to get mixed up in it right they say
look you know we're here as you know as
supporters of Harvard you know we we
don't want to be trading these different
goals against each other and then that
percolates through the campus culture in
various ways because no one's holding a
firm line right so to me look the
anti-Semitism is very clear on campus
and does need to be directly dealt with
I don't want to write that off as you
know a red herring on of its own but I
actually think to fix Harvard overall
some of these and to fix anti-Semitism
for the long term it's actually about
rest strengthening the core Mission and
then realizing how anti-Semitism and
kind of the policies that are allowing
it actually hurt that core mission right
vers it is just saying this is about
anti-Semitism full stop right so my view
is if you fix the core Mission it's
about truth that's it you can kind of
fix governance make it easier to say yes
is this about truth or not right is
about academic Excellence are we trying
to win Nobel prizes or are we optimizing
other things and then you get to canus
culture we can say hey is um freedom of
speech in the classroom to find truth is
that an important input to AC of course
it is right uh in civil discourse
perspective on the flip side if we
believe in academic Excellence is it
okay to exclude Jewish students or make
them feel unsafe on campus on private
property right and not allow them to
participate fully in that of course it's
not right these things become very easy
right um but the problem is that when
that mission gets muddled all of a
sudden these trade-offs become very hard
and you don't have the right governance
in place to kind of protect people so
that's kind of how I see things but is
it too entrench Rob mcot I'm sorry but
is it entrenched if you have if you have
professors they're tenured the culture
is it so entrenched is is it as simple
as and it's not simple at all but is it
as simple as um running for the board of
overseers making it on taking over the
governance or or you gonna have to purge
some of
the I wouldn't say Purge RAB I wouldn't
say Purge what I would say is this I
mean I think there's a bunch of reasons
why you know the academic world has
always had s colorful and sometimes very
wrong views about the world right that's
nothing new right um what I do think
what happened over time and I think
brings to a head right now and I do
think there's a lot of what you're
discussing is with no back stop with no
one saying these are the lines right
that those those types of viewpoints
have been allowed to run a muck right in
a way that's very damaging to the
institution and also does have the
byproduct of doing something I think
none of us probably listening to this no
one listening to this is excited about
which is causing a lot of anti-Semitism
and legitimate fear among Jewish
students right um and feeling just
unincluded from the environment so to me
look I don't think it's a quick solve I
don't think we're going to be here in a
year and we're gonna say hooray we've
succeeded and we've finished but I would
say that if we fix the mission we fix
governance we establish clear lines you
know some professors might leave of
their own valtion because this is no
longer the environment that they thought
it was right others might stay on and
you know be moderated we need to
introduce more intellectual diversity
you know there's no question that in
terms of the evolution of these things
there have been professors who have been
excluded from roles or not considered
that should have been that might have
added more intellectual diversity um so
it's a m it's a multi-year process right
but in the in the history of a 400-year
institution that again for better or
worse is still the best known academic
brand probably in the world and
certainly represents the liberal West to
me it's worth the work right and it's
worth the work to to to do it and I
think the good news again about my
campaign so far and the experience I've
had is I've been overwhelmed with
support by alums who agree I mean you
hear from the extremes you hear from the
extremes on on any end of things you
know the reality is is most moderate
caring Harvard alarms and other people
they're living their lives and doing
other things right and so they're not
necessarily the loudest about these
issues but I do think that this was such
an extreme moment post 107 right of you
just can't avoid you can't unsee once
you've seen that there's a lot of people
that are willing to step forward now
that would have historically said look
it's a problem but there are other
problems in the world world right and so
in some ways maybe that would be the
glass half full view is that this was so
bad right that it's going to spark
action that otherwise wouldn't have
happened so so that's where I want to
pick up because obviously everyone knows
about 107 everyone knows about what's
going on in college campuses the vast
majority 95% of American jewry sees it
shrugs its shoulders said Harvard's a
loss cause MIT is a loss cause Pen's a
loss cause there's nothing you could do
about it you looked at that and you said
this is something I can change and it's
not going to happen overnight it's going
to happen over the Long Haul and you put
yourself out for it right I mean I was
following your your Twitter feed I mean
you're you're out there and very
publicly um with your perspectives and
your views about Israel and defense of
Israel and against the New York Times
and that's opened you up I would imagine
to enormous amounts of anti-Semitism
what in your background gave you the
Jewish Pride the Jewish strength the
backbone to be able to say I'm going to
step forward and I'm going to take this
issue on well for me there are just
certain things that are clear and just
there's right and wrong on and I'm
willing to step forward for that I think
when it matters and when I think I can
have an impact you know my personal take
you know I have many Israeli cousins
right um you know some in politics in
Israel Etc like you know again the um
and I look at what they're doing and I
think to myself the reality is it's
necessary they're doing what they have
to do but I also trust them to do what
has to be done uh I don't as an American
Jew living in California I'm not going
to personally have much direct impact on
that part of the problem which is very
serious to be clear but I look at higher
education and I look at kind of
Defending what I think is critical which
is the liberal West right um and you
look at kind of what's going on there's
a few hot button issues or a few places
I think I can have impact you know one
which many you know Jews and other
people are working on is which I'm sure
you guys are you know well versed in is
you know Tik Tok is a massive national
security problem right and it's it's we
can talk about it as oh and people do
about the anti-semitic content there
everything that's going on it's all true
but stepping back if you believe in the
liberal West and you know Israel and you
know as important part of the the
liberal West in the broader sense it is
inexcusable that we haven't banned Tik
Tok in the United States um and it's
it's it's wild now that's a thing I
think I can have some level of impact on
higher education starting with Harvard I
happen to be in alum I think it really
matters I think it's a mistake to write
off these institutions um because they
really are the bull workk of liberalism
um and say ah you know we'll move on
from them we'll figure something else
out I think it's a mistake but I think I
can actually have an impact there and so
you have to look for those targeted
moments and then do some people yell at
you on the internet sure but people have
been yelling at me on the internet for
20 years I'm not that worried about
it come back to that question about
about your background we grew up as
neighbors I don't know that we
overlapped I think you were in diapers
when I graduated to Teek you grew up in
Anglewood New Jersey we didn't know each
other but we overlapped on the earth at
the same time and still do thank God
what what in your background who who are
your inspiration for your Jewish Pride
for your pro-israel activity is it
family are there any teachers is there a
rabby what is it in your in your
background in your own personal history
that positions you to be this fighter
right now in this moment again I I think
for me I grew up in um you know we kept
Shabbat you know I grew up down the
street from Mariah we were by no means
the most religious Jews in the community
went to a reformed synagogue um you know
I have Jewish obviously large Jewish
family and then more importantly you
know I think it really does matter to me
that I have Jewish cousins um who are
living in Israel um you know my aunt
made aiyah um after college and has been
there ever since um you know I have
first cousins who live there I've had
you know been able to visit them many
times and experience Israel in various
ways and look Israel like any liberal
democracy is a complicated place right
as a modern State it's not a simple uh
environment there are things that I
think you know the Israeli state does
that I think are challenging right I
think they're leaders we might not all
love in various ways but for me it's
just you know you look at um at kind of
the importance of it and what they what
what's been built there the importance
of kind of that Jewish identity is is
pretty deep you know you know raising
children Jewish um you know being
involved in the broader you know story
and then just candidly from a pride
perspective I mean look you know it's
it's the intellectual contributions of
the Jewish people um you know are
wonderful right and so I think there is
a real connection and this part of the
thing with Harvard and some of the
connections there is you know again
you're not going to have if your true
goal is um academic Excellence right you
want to talk about the story of academic
Excellence um it's pretty tightly
intertwined into the story of the Jewish
people over certainly over the last
hundred years and not Beyond and so to
me these things all are very aligned
right um you know anti and that's why I
say also anti-Semitism is candidly very
aligned with anti-liberalism and
anti-western culture right these things
are all very related and I think it is
important you know as Jews um to think
about this as our story but also in some
ways as like a broader story right um
that a lot people that aren't Jewish
care about as
well you you live in the west coast you
live in a world of venture capitalism of
of private Equity of investing and you
know some of the companies you've been
early investors and is is extremely
impressive what are some things you hear
in the boardrooms that might be
misnomers that might be misconceptions
about the uh the Israel process the
experience you know obviously because
you're very public about it I would
imagine that is very intertwined to
internal conversations does it come up
does it not come up how much does your
Judaism play either to your advantage or
disadvantage when you're in those
boardrooms with other Venture
capitalists you know it's funny I live
in a very weird small world right is the
reality and so you know you talk about
at one point remember early after 107 I
was put on some list of you know Venture
capitals you should never take money
from because they're Jewish and I was
like this is the best marketing I've
ever seen in my life thank you like I
don't you know you look you look down
the list of people on this list and it's
like I've never been so thrilled to be
in such great company right you know
it's like is like all the best you know
and so you know to me in the small world
I live in candidly and working
um it's it's not a problem I mean people
broadly agree like the people I want to
invest in and spend time with they're
not all Jewish by any means but like
broadly speaking I think they support
the West they support liberalism they
support you know Israel um you know they
do R&D in Israel it's there's a very
tight relationship uh and conversely I
mean it's a little bit silly to say but
I'll say in this context it's you know
the people who are extremely anti-israel
are generally not not aligned with the
types of people creating great
technology companies anyway right and so
it doesn't I mean I'm sure there's some
exception right I'm not you know but
like um there's always an exception but
you know in general that's that's what
it's been I mean there have been a few
interesting things you know sometimes my
dad used to say that it's important in
life to have setbacks every once in a
while because when you have setbacks it
helps you figure out who your real
friends are right if you have no
setbacks you don't really know who your
real friends are and who aren't but you
have a real setback it becomes pretty
clear pretty quickly who shows up and
who doesn't and in that respect there
are certainly a few voices in The
Venture Capital and startup Community
who I will not name right who have shown
themselves to be people that you don't
want to do business with um but I think
the vast majority again you know this is
part of the thing about I live in one of
the world's great liberal enclaves right
and I mean that in the real sense of
liberalism um it's not a daily problem
for me is the honest answer which again
people say it's I don't feel like I'm
being so strong I feel like I'm in a
very nice position where I'm able to say
things that others might believe but
have other reasons they can't speak up
and I'm free to speak up you were a
classmate of Mark Zuckerberg you you
began at Facebook and you were a vice
president there are you and not about
Mark in particular I don't know him and
we haven't met him although we we'd love
to have him on behind the bimma but are
you frustrated or disappointed in
prominent Jews or prominent liberal
Western members of Society who have not
stood up for Israel in this incredibly
important moment who are other
calculating other factors and variables
socially financially uh in terms of
their influence as influencers and are
worried about many other things should
we expect more demand more are we
showing enough appreciation to those who
do you live in a world and you know many
of these of these players and these
people are you are you gratified or
disappointed in in the degree to which
prominent Jews have have risen to the
occasion well I think the thing to keep
that I keep in mind with a lot of these
things is having been exposed to a lot
of very interesting stories that are in
the news are very splashy over time is
don't believe everything you see on TV
um in terms of what is and isn't being
actually done right um in various ways I
think that there is plenty of smart
people who are doing quite a bit um but
they're doing it in smart ways given
their position in the way and what they
can and can't affect um different people
are able to do different things now
there people who I feel like are not
standing up enough sure right I'm not
saying that that you know everyone's
doing their utmost everywhere but I'd
also say that you know reading the just
the headlines of the New York Times or
looking at Twitter will never give you
the full picture of what actually is
going on and who's actually doing what
in various ways um and sometimes you
know the reality is for someone like me
I'm in a position where I can speak up
very freely um and and actually again to
your point I think that there can be
value to that helping other people rally
behind it Opening space Etc um there are
other people for whom there might be a
nice show you can make a nice show of
being very public about something with
words right but you might actually not
be doing the maximum by doing that for
the overall situation and so that's the
thing I think not to be overly political
about the answer but that's the thing I
would just keep in mind is we should
celebrate people who do stand up very
publicly there's no no reason not to
right and and it is a noble thing to do
but I wouldn't automatically assume that
basically that that that no one else is
doing anything uh is the way I would
think about
it what would you tell students or
parents um of students on college
campuses a student who wants to get
involved has always been involved maybe
dabbled in student government but feels
it's such a toxic environment and such a
threatening environment that um and and
they don't have the mouthpiece that you
have or the confidence that you have or
the ability to speak as freely um as you
are able to what would you tell them
what what what what strength would would
you give them what pep talk would you
give them what motivational tidbits
would you give them to give them the
confidence to be able to make that
difference start in small ways I think
the reality is is is you know being
willing to speak your mind and and and
and kind of put things out there I don't
think it's something that happens
overnight you know it's not the movie
story where someone wakes up one day and
they've been you know Meek their whole
lives or freak to speak up and they have
their one mind Shining Moment you know
with some Grand speech and then
everything changes I think it comes from
daily practice and daily action and so
to me you know one of the things I think
is most disappointing that's changed you
know in Liberal campuses is it's very
clear that in a lot of elite schools
people are willing to unwilling to to
express controversial ideas in class
what a tragedy right like that's the
whole point right the whole point is to
and it strengthens everyone's arguments
and it can be done in a respectful way
and so even if it's a small opportunity
you think yourself should I speak up or
should I not speak up should I say
something should I try an idea you start
in small ways and then you build right
right now obviously there are places
where physical safety is a problem I
would certainly not suggest marching
into a hostile environment and getting
yourself hit on the head right like
that's not that's not a good use of
anyone's time and attention you know you
know in any immediate sense but I do
think that that practice and building
and building confidence in yourself is
absolutely critical and I think we need
people to speak up I mean the biggest
the biggest disappointment in this
campaign the good part is getting a lot
of calls and a lot of support from
people saying I really agree with what
you're doing here's let me help you let
me help you in the background but to
your point also about you know who
speaks up and who doesn't there's a lot
of people you're also like you can speak
up right um you know you you you you
know you should be on the record on this
and maybe you're not being strategic
maybe you're just scared and the only
way to overcome fear is to do it in
small ways and
build talk to us about Facebook helping
build it do you use social media do you
let your family use social media do you
see how do how do you balance the
benefits and the dangers of social media
as one of the uh people who who've
invented it yeah I mean again I I think
that's a little bit of an overstatement
to say I invented it I certainly have
been involved in it and and proud of the
contributions I've made uh over the
years I do use social media I think it's
fabulous um you know I do think like
anything it can be um distortionary and
too much of it in any direction can be a
bad thing I think you have to keep your
sense of reality about you um you know
in proportion but look at the highest
level what just happened to humanity in
the last 20 years is one of the most
shocking fastest transitions ever for
human species right we went from a world
where you know you used your eyes and
your mouth and your ears and you could
interact with a very small amount of
people around you in your smoke call
Community all of a sudden you know you
can speak to everyone on Earth instantly
for free right that is a literal human
superpower like that is literally a
hundred years ago you make a comic book
out of that right and so obviously when
you change the patterns of human
communication that dramatically so
quickly
it's confusing right there are problems
with it you know and there are problems
up and down the chain I mean there's
problems of people's sense of purpose in
place right the analogy always to use
with social media is imagine you know 50
years ago you would take real Pride if
you're the best basketball player in
your community if you were the best at
you know street ball with your friends
right um Instagram comes out and all of
a sudden it's pretty depressing to
realize you're not good at basketball
right and that people can watch better
basketball players all the time that's a
real issue right from an identity
perspective like what is my purpose why
am I valued things like that my sense of
self you know um the same thing with you
know again things around there's no
question that you look at social media
which is always going to be the rosiest
picture of your friends or influencers
or things like that and if you get
sucked into that being reality can be
quite depressing right all of a sudden
everyone else seems like they're having
a great time and I'm having a terrible
time right you know or my life is more
complicated so there are but but on the
flip side it is important to remember
that we just got a new human superpower
right we are literally all Supermen
right and I think that used well the
ability to meet new people find new
ideas uh explore you know explore new
communities new creativity is incredibly
profound um how do you think religious
leaders can use it well we we asked we
asked Cheryl Samberg when she was on how
do you think religious leaders how could
rabbis who are trying to promote values
who are trying to repair the world who
are trying to bring greater light what
are the ways that social media Facebook
in particular or any can be best
utilized for us um to able to advance
our our goals well like I love what
you're doing here which is kind of
building Community you know in various
ways in more connectivity I mean you
know I'll be honest you know when I
think about the relationships I have
with rabbis here in the community things
like that they're wonderful leaders um
but it's all very local right uh it's
all you know very much around the Sho or
like a community in various forms you
know um you know was doing doing a group
with a rabbi over through the pandemic
through Zoom but it was all people
locally and that that's really important
I actually I wouldn't lose sight of that
I think the reality is is even as the
world gets big and diverse real human
physical relationships real Connection
in person I think is absolutely critical
so I think my mistake rabbis could make
would be to be like well the world's
completely changed my congregation is
now the world you know let's not worry
about the local community I think it has
to start with that but looking for
opportunities to share messages connect
build relationships you know I think is
critical uh and very interesting for
rabbis to do this is I will admit the
first Rabbi podcast I've been on okay
okay podcast I want to talk this is not
going to come with a solicitation from
rabbis but you'll understand why I'm
about to ask that I want to talk about
philanthropy for a second obviously um
in the position that you were in I would
imagine you were able to to also make
philanthropic contributions how do you
make those decisions where does Israel
fit into that um where does your local
community fit into that how do you
educate your children into the privilege
that they've been born into and to make
that difference from a philanthropic
perspective as well you know I think
it's a good question and I'll be honest
with you I'm still figuring it out you
know I've given certainly gifts to to
organizations in Israel that I think
have done interesting and good work over
the years you know certainly in my local
community Etc but it is interesting
right to think about where can that as a
venture capitalist where does that
marginal dollar make the most impact
right and how do you measure that impact
and how do you make sure that you know
you're actually spending money wisely
right as opposed to doing things that
might look good on a billboard or feel
good but aren't having the impact you
need them to have and the reality is is
the philanthropy world you know if you
compare and contrast investing dollars
for profit versus investing dollars for
philanthropic philanthropic ends the
philanthropy world is more complicated
and also in many ways less sophisticated
right um and I think that is something
that I think has to change over time in
terms of scaling philanthropy well um I
also think one thing I think a lot about
I do I've talked to people about this
idea of you know I've done well and I I
like to try to be generous where I can
but I'm also not a multi-billionaire
right and I'm not a government right and
so I think the other really interesting
question is where can your dollars make
the marginal difference is it investing
in something that isn't quite ready for
really scale dollars right like you know
once you prove it then like there's the
a government or a multi-billionaire can
put a huge amount of money to work but
people like me can put a little bit of
money to work to start proving or
approving the data it's like a seed
venture capital I think is very
interesting I'm sorry seed philanthropy
so but I don't I don't have clear
answers for you yet in terms of how I
think about that I think it's something
I do want to figure out over time um and
it's complicated you know I will tell
you this it's not unrestricted dollars
to Harvard anytime soon ever
again amen Amen to that how how is your
Jewish identity your Jewish values your
Jewish upbringing how has that impacted
your career has it do do you think about
or do you draw from particular lessons
or values as you've made decisions even
the companies that you've seated in and
and seated so well from ven molo te team
shares open phone all the the successes
which we're not going to ask for any
tips here um although to extract the
bigger lesson of of how do you see
potential how do you see potential in
companies how do you see potential in
people does your Judaism inform those
kind of things you know I say Jew
culturally absolutely um is what I would
say you know from religious perspective
I have to think harder about the answer
to that right but from a cultural
perspective I mean the culture of debate
um you know the culture of trying and
playing with ideas you know I think a
lot of the things that I learned in
Jewish communities um about you know I
think are all like very informative to
it um you know how do you play with
ideas how do you push around things I
mean I love there's um you guys you
either think this is funny or not we
don't know each other well but I love
there's a if you've seen the movie The
Big Short uh it's about Wall Street and
at one point there's a a character who's
Jewish in it and um they're talking
about backstory and they talk about how
you know he was um at Hebrew school and
the rabbi called the side his mother and
said we have a problem and and the
mother said what's the problem he said
well your son is you know studying very
hard you know talmud uh I'm sorry the
Torah and um she says isn't that a good
thing that he's studying Torah you know
with such a client like no you don't
understand he's looking for errors in
the word of God and and and she says
what do you mean they said you can't you
know and and she goes well did he find
any and I think that and I think that
kind of you know it's a funny little
story from a movie nothing more but it's
like there's the the Jewish Spirit of I
think debate and inquiry and discussion
um I think are all really just like
really core cultural values and I'll say
not just to to the Jewish Community but
I think to the to the liberal West um
and how do you so how do you as a
venture capitalist who seated these
companies and success stories and I'm
sure nobody's bio necessarily lists the
the failure or the bad investment and
the bad call right all of us life tend
to there are a lot of those too oh of
course there have to be right when
you're so what would be the difference
if you could extract lessons for us not
necessarily investing not from a
financial perspec open this to debate
openness to uh to to um being wrong
openness to dialogue I think are just
the culturally very Jewish values and so
for me it's you know I always like the
ideas when people come in um I think
almost all the best investments I've
ever done if people come in and they say
something you're like that's crazy or
that's wrong but then instead of just
dismissing it you debate it right and
you say huh they might be right or like
they have to have some it has to be a
little bit you have to be willing to
entertain ideas and debate ideas um in a
broad spectrum right and I again it's
hard to say whether that's strictly a
Jewish value like again you guys would
know better than I would from like a
religious perspective from a cultural
perspective that's how I grew up right I
grew up with people and you bring them
in and you debate with them and you push
around ideas and sometimes they're wrong
and sometimes they're right and that
kind of dinnertime banter right uh that
debate you know was wonder mean I love
um again I'm not by any means versed but
you know even in like basic T like The
Clay Pot story right you know I remember
the first time I read you know is it
kosher is it not Kosher and you you you
know those types of vignettes culturally
um I don't know that's my job uh first
of all it's 100% of Jewish value you're
right but do you worry that we're losing
that value that social media that the
echo chambers that we're creating online
means that my children are growing up
with a very narrow perspective of the
world filtered through the lens of
social media filtered through the lens
of a very homogeneous community that we
live in and and that ability to like be
open and and willing to explore other
OPP you know ideas and opportunities is
kind of a little bit lost on on the Next
Generation you know I hope not and well
I'll tell you a funny story that I kind
of sometimes use about the era I think
we're in in the internet is there was
this period the after the British
invented Jin uh that where basically GDP
did not grow in Britain for like 50
years and the basically the entire
population was drunk for 50 years right
and they eventually grew out of it most
right and I I do think the reality is
that you know if you think about this
moment in time and where we're at with
the internet are the record of course
the record Chambers you can now if you
want go on the internet and say almost
anything you want and find a bunch of
people who agree with you and then spend
all of your time agreeing with them and
that might feel gratifying for a moment
but it's pretty Hollow and pretty boring
right um and I think my hope my My Hope
Is that candidly we are struggling with
this now we struggle with Echo Chambers
we struggle with people not willing to
debate not you know starting from the
you know I'm right and you're wrong and
being very closed but look if that
persists too long we're not going to
have much of a society left and I think
a lot of smart people will wake up right
and I think you're seeing this in
certain places and speak up and I I'm
hopeful that actually if anything we'll
get more diversity of opinions uh we'll
get more new ideas we'll get more
creativity we'll get more truth coming
out of this but I agree that it's a
tough moment right now right because I
think people are still very into this
idea
that they can go find any Community they
want to Simply affirm them right as
opposed to push them um yeah Brett
Stevens was recently in our in our
synagogue and that was one of the points
he made how important it is to to watch
and read and follow the opinions you
dislike you disagree with and we tend to
subscribe to and only follow closely
what like you said affirms what we what
we know and believe but how do you know
it's never challenged unless you also
are willing to read and consider and
follow um the things that you disagree
with and they'll make your arguments
better I mean I think this is one of the
things that even if it turns out that
the other side is you know the other
idea is wrong and your idea is that you
know if you let someone push you you'll
come out with stronger Arguments for
what you believe too um and I think look
we've lived to a very very difficult
period culturally for a lot of reasons I
do think a lot of it goes back to this
kind of loss of sense of self and
identity um that that it has it internet
has been a part of U again I don't blame
the internet for it it's it it is it is
the double-edged sword it's it's
complicated but the social impact is
real and I I think you know there's been
a lot of um it's it's the the the way
forward has to be people being able to
talk to people and say I don't like you
as a person but that's actually true
right or that's a good idea separating
those out again right which is critical
right uh it has to be people willing to
engage with the other side just to get
stronger and better right um and then I
will say the other thing that is true
which is really shocking to me to bring
it back to a little bit of the 107
moment and kind of my Awakening me like
we have to push on this is you know
there are also red lines right um so
this idea that a bunch of college
students all of a sudden would be
endorsing Osama Bin Laden's letter right
to America or you know justifying
terrorism I do think the reality is as
much as I do believe in open-mindedness
and open debate and discussion and
things like that I also do believe that
there are core we'll call them the
modern Ten Commandments whatever you
want to call them where it's just like
those are not violable lines right for
any context or any reason right and so I
do think it's kind of a double-edged
thing that has to go on which is people
having enough core values those core
values of agreement for instance
terrorism is never okay full stop right
raping women is never okay full stop
there is no context right like that's it
right that is what allows the freedom of
ideas and debate and discussion to sit
on top of it but if you have no rules
right and no basis right then it's very
very hard to maintain that open space
for discussion and
dialogue how do you think AI plays into
all of this and how how big is AI in our
future you know it um it's going to be
interesting because you talk about Echo
Chambers it's the ultimate echo chamber
right um is really what the way to think
about it I um AI there's several angles
to it it's obviously a big topic right
now the straight version of does it make
you more productive and help do a few
things faster of course it's pure
technology there's clear applications
there it'll make Photoshop a little
better right it'll make certain things a
little easier um you know I think the
AGI or like we're going to have
intelligence and is fanul um candidly
that's more religion than it is science
um in terms of how people are thinking
about that people are looking for new
religious Frameworks and I think there's
some real interesting cult-like aspects
to what's going on there but then I
think the real thing is if you think
about it you know we went from a world
where talk about learning how to
interact with people that you don't
necessarily agree with if you're in a
local community there's 200 people
around you there's a thousand people
around you guess what you have to
interact with people that don't
necessarily fully agree with you right
you have to learn how to debate with
them you have to be you're going to be
engaged with them you need to find
common ground with them when you move to
an internet where you can say I don't
care who's around me I can select from
seven billion people just the people I
want to talk to right you lose that you
lose that muscle you might learn forget
how to do it unfortunately the thing
that's even more than seven billion
people in terms of finding your
audiences AI because you can talk
forever to AI you know looking into a
mirror and it will say whatever you want
right and you'll feel really good being
validated by a machine looking at pretty
pictures generated by a machine you know
it becomes the ultimate now my thing is
I think Humanity will grow out of it
because I think actually after you've
seen enough of it and you've experienced
enough of that type of experience it
gets really boring and it's also not
very effective right and I think we'll
come back to a healthier space but I do
think what you'll see in the short term
is a will have lots of practical uses
that are very kind of boring but quite
if you're a business person useful right
you'll have a lot of people who are
basically coming up with new AI Cults
right and then you'll have this Middle
Ground which is true but complicated of
this super Echo chamber which again
maybe like the fall will be so bad that
a lot of people wake up from it because
it becomes kind of obvious and
transactional um so you came up 99
nominations short on the uh no two 200
and something it wasn't quite 99 but it
was it was very close very close Okay uh
in the Right End campaign for the
overseas board so what's next what's
next we'll just come back next year and
do it with 10,000 Nom I mean it's not to
me the the there's I'm GNA work this
year and you know anyone who's
interested or Harvard alums and I really
want to build a lightweight community
and organization of moderates who care
about these issues and want to see
Harvard return to its roots you know
putting academic Excellence first fixing
governance and making serious govern and
then working on Free Speech in the
classroom and making sure students are
safe outside of the classroom and able
to participate in that ultimate academic
Mission and we're GNA you know put
together a newsletter build a community
maybe we'll have a podcast but we're
gonna you know we'll we'll uh we're
going to work on that throughout the
year because I do think there is a very
large reasonably silent majority who
cares about these things and in the
right format wants to be a part of them
and can can have real influence we'll
obviously run the overseers campaign
next year and you know we got
2,900 wrin votes through a very broken
process to be clear right a lot I have
hundreds of people who tried to nominate
me who couldn't but the line is the line
next year we'll have 10,000 um and we'll
make a difference how can Harvard Alum
find you how can they join your your
well I don't have at some point I will
share the I'm working on kind of the the
the platform for it now so it will be um
you know a forthcoming but until then
honestly I would love to hear from any
of you know your congregants or people
list is my my last name at Gmail is like
the way to reach out and I'm happy to
hear from anyone um you know in a in a
personal way as we figure this out
fantastic well thank you for your time
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