03-25-2015 Pesach Products 2015

hello and welcome to Stark's monthly webinar held here in the Stark main offices in Baltimore Maryland I'm rert Goldberg our Our Guest again today is Rabbi bar familiar to our regular listeners welcome back RAB buyer thank you today we're going to be talking about PES products Passover products um you can see some of them we have an array over here in front of us uh uh that were uh given to us by Seven Mile market and we appreciate their help yep donated uh well we donate and we return them when we finished oh okay so I had my dibs on that that that marshmallow bar there okay hoping uh if you'd like to call and join and hear us by phone it is 218- 8951 1203 again 218 8951 1203 passcode 2020 pound um and on the web we're at learn kosher.com for/ kosher we're here the last Wednesday of every month at 12: noon uh with God's help and if you want to get an email to know what the topic is or if there are any changes send us an email to info stark. or you can give us a call um today's topic rby berer is PES products we have this webinar every year before PES or real live class sometimes in town um and uh we always point out that at this time our Passover book is out couldn't get this years but this is 2014 that's great okay do Char props on this exactly we we have this year one out as well um uh and we will get that you can get that that this year's in the this one's on sale the last year yeah very so you can get you can get I would say 99% of the information is still valid but that's the key R buyer only 99% that 1% how do you know how do you know if that what is you're looking at is that 1% that's why you got to get the book every year absolutely um it's a it's it's not a uh 1% Can Make It or Break It On Your PES 1% it's really consumer service it's not thank you thank you Rabbi Chapman this is this year it's just a different color on the front but that 1% is different I think it's thicker this year also it is thicker um we did have a few changes uh for those who are into the book uh by the medicines where we list the medicines at a Kosher for acceptable for for PES instead of having a code like a four-digit code and then you have to look back at a different page to see what that stands for every medicine has the name of the company written out by it we had a lot of complaints about that because it's it gets confusing so every medicine that there are thousands of medications there each one has the name of the company handwritten that it's yeah that it's acceptable from in uh yeah it's it's typed out there so it's a little bit uh um a little bit easier to use we also Zev says by the way you can chat with us we're happy if you chat with us on our on our uh on our uh screen there at the bottom left one second I do have the the book here as a uh here we go it's going to come up here here's the we're showing everybody this is the Passover directory Bri a bridg web it say Yes um it is available as a uh as a PDF if you go to our website stark. org you can find the book uh most of our information there except for the medications which we're restricted on because it comes from the Co in Los Angeles you can get it online it's just it costs you that that you have to pay because that's our agreement with the cola it's a fundraiser for them and that information is available as a um as a PDF or as you can get I have an app on my phone um and it's really convenient if you're in the store so yeah we have many all the products and things except for the medicines are available for free right as an app right so about it's like half the book is available what we can give out for fre most it's Avil for we do give it out Zev says until PES this webinar should be daily yes should give it okay daily okay so uh we we we are available by phone or by email and we try to get to everybody we have thousands of questions and um and we're glad that you joined us today so Rabbi B let us begin with um with some of these products that we have over here and if you have questions feel free to ask us here chat with us let me close this um this this book here on the spot for a second and ask you a question about milk uh you can put me on the spot but I hope I know the answer you're getting me nervous what is the question no I just want you to explain what the deal with the milk is why do we have to buy milk before PES and what's the uh what's the real deal with milk hold on one second I'm just bringing this up to make this chat a little bit a little bit bigger um you want to know about milk okay can I read to you from what from our from let's see what we we first want to reference I'm asking because someone asked me and I wanted to get um milk in areas where kosher for Passover milk is not available milk should be purchased before Passover um well because we're not sure what else might be made on on the equipment and uh that way it would be it would be nullified um that's why you purchase it all the things that we that we say purchase before Passover it's because we have some suspicion there might be something in there that is not acceptable but in minute amounts and if you buy before Passover it would be nullified and would be okay if you buy on Passover there's no Hally according to Jewish law there's no nullification on Passover so then you have a problem okay um there you can buy regular milk in the United States you can buy regular milk I mean not it's notel it's not if you're not careful if you're not if you're buying milk then it's going to be you know you're going to be able to find uh and if you're buying non yourself that's where the issue um comes comes up okay now let's talk about some of these products here okay RAB bu this is California seedless raisins it's Upp and this is a way that you can save money it's a shopright brand okay so I I didn't check the prices but it should not be more expensive than the regular price during the year even though it has a p at this time it should be you know know it's a store brand it's not really anything special really can I buy any raisins in the store no no raisins do need to have a dried fruit in general do need to have a Passover heer but um you know if you can save money by buying a brand that you're satisfied with and and and and you know why not okay we have here um we have here some unsalted cashew nuts from a star K brand uh 21st century is that youry and no it's not my company and it has on it staran it says kosher for Passover do these need to be kosher for Passover can you buy them no these also these these do need Kos because they roasted they're roasted but if you have raw nuts I always like to point this out you have runuts these are are shelled peans um that say on them koser for Passover those do not need to be special koser for Passover as long as there's no preservatives so in other words you don't have to get it with it same ker you do not have to get this one you get just an example of it this is an example of ones that do have but you can buy anyone that uh that doesn't have the preservatives and uh and that's true in general with with raw with raw nuts that aren't uh processed and so on um if you buy the one with the certification what do you get for your money you get that a a mash has been you're asking that question here at the start right well people want to know why should I pay more or should I pay more the answer is you get that absolutely that much you should pay top dollar right especially if it's a stark we're trying to save people money so what you get more is that you get that somebody Rabbi Mash has been at the at at the plant during the processing to make sure there's absolutely nothing else going on there and it's it's and and you know it's a higher level but no to us an acceptable level is even with out that if if on the things that we say are acceptable the peans though we should point out that if they are or pieces there we do require a passive certification because they may be soaked in some alcohol but these are these are whole peans I'm covering this over here so you don't see who this is I don't want it's about okay yeah this is baking soda baking soda special for PES this is this looks like an armor Hammer box right right but you could theoretically buy an Arman Hammer box of baking soda right right we baking soda baking soda I I would almost say that with uh baking soda buy this particular right we have that in our book baking soda all are acceptable thank you for for hiding that I I don't really know with baking soda if you buy the koser Passover if you're really getting anything more for your money I don't even know if it's more expensive but if it is I would be perfectly fine I don't with the regular baking s soda it's not um it's not it's not a really a serious item your Arm and Hammer I don't think they're doing it in the plant you know what I mean they have their own they have their own their own place even though it looks like flower it's not right okay so let's um you know Rabbi B here we're kind of free willing back and forth It's not a set people who come to the webinar know already that it's not a set Class A Shear where you have you know set topics we like to to to go with the flow and um you know that's really what it's meant for and and uh that's what we're going to do right now so let's take some of these questions is there a difference between baking soda and baking powder is there a difference between baking soda and baking powder chemically from a point I don't baking powder we say requires kfb certification without it it probably has kidos in it oh really Kos yes it has kidos which are not acceptable to to ASM so therefore we do require so the answer is yes baking soda baking soda right okay okay Jeff says uh are there any specific jail cap pain relievers that are acceptable Jael cap okay that is that is yes as he says that's a regular kosher question um off the top of our heads that that's that's a difficult question for us to answer uh straight away but we do have one thing you should know is that we do have our quick pick lists and I think that's an important thing let me let me see if I can um it'll take me just want to mention that Rabbi Goldberg is was instrumental in setting up the Passover book and uh and the quick pick list that we're about to reference right now okay you can fine uh he's a humble I appreciate that um so so the uh so we have a quick pick list what's a quick quick pick list it's on our website um and what it is is you know in our book we have hundreds of medications or thousands and and and and shampoos and all those things that don't have any issues but let's say I don't need a specific one I just want to know tell me I'm going to the store I want to get uh some some pain reliever and I want to get some shampoo and some soap that's not a problem I don't really care so much about the brands I just want to have a so that list is available for you that's that's a very important list and we did actually send it out RAB Holland sent out a link to it on our email so if you're if you're on our emails you would have gotten it's online though isn't it it's online and on the website it's onsite access it on the website it's really a great a great uh a great list to have okay are there any uh probiotics that I Kosher for PES we also got that question uh by emails I'm not sure if I was just in re he's office yesterday okay and he was like oh my gosh these probiotics are like unbelievable it's like everyone's taking probotics everyone's in probiotics all day he is on the phone all day about all day is is our um is our um is our uh medicine expert and he's on the phone about the prop so yes the answer is yes there are uh Freedom makes some so I would uh they would have kidne in theman they like corn starch holding it together but if you need the uh the stick with the kosher the Jewish Brands the kosher Brands H Brands like Freda well there are yeah there are lots of them I would recommend to take the probiotic that you that you want the read the ingredients for any obvious com and if you don't see any then call the office or email us and we can help you find a probiotic that is good for p I've been trying to find figs that are k k for p but can't find them what is the issue that is a good question I I I I don't know I mean there might be some sorbates that might be uh used to preserve them possible I don't know why there aren't any kfp pigs I don't figs I don't think that it's not it's it's I don't think specific reason okay raisy says if nuts such as are Kosher but it says in the packaging that other nuts such as peanuts are processed in the same plant is that a problem that's a good question yes we do say that that's part of our in our guide it says that if the label states that p a processed in the same place then you should not use it for for PES or other is processed there however if it has a Kosher for PES certification on it and it has some allergy statement on it then you don't need to worry about it because it's just a kidne this is a kidne issue it is a kidney is could you buy them and check them theoretically well you can you can't check them because they raw I'm talking about H they're raw I'm talking about if you can nothing we're not saying this pieces of peanuts or whatever in your in your nuts it's just that it's made on the same equipment so it might have some residue so that's what we're concerned about but if it has a kosher certification that's reliable we get this question all the time you know it says on it that it's kosher but but yet it says that it's made on equipment that's the package is shelfish yeah exactly so if the product says that it's kosher we can rely on the agency to do what's necessary to clean it out to CER it whatever would be necessary to uh to um to make sure that it's going to be okay the same thing holds true for PES all those allergy statements um if they have a certification we can relying the certification to take care of it if it doesn't have a certification then uh and it says it's made on equipment that packages shellfish then we can't take responsibility for that and I don't think that we would recommend that that's another question that we had gotten via email okay Elise says why does pure maple syrup with a nonp Passover heure not acceptable for Passover what's the issue with pure maple syrup is the uh could be K us I mean antio antio right the antifoam explain what antifoam is everybody when you make maple syrup so it tends to it tends to foam up so in order to control the foam they add a chemical um which is called an antifoam um so an antifoam antio really could be not Kosher forget about the fact that it might be a a hummus problem but it could be a kidne issue I believe right so as far as the non-closure issue goes we we say that since it's so infantes that it's so we're not concerned but for the Passover we do require a a a certification on it um what are three Judith wants to know three commercial medic companies that have items that are Kosher for p i mean there's there's more than fre there's if you look in our book you really should is it possible to pull up this quick pick uh list the quick pick list yeah I can do it it would just take me a couple minutes but there's there's various Revlon makes Covergirl makes you know all the famous companies make Cosmetics but not every item is is acceptable so that's what we have the uh the list Alisa says here in Israel many of the kosher for Passover products are cheaper due to competition wow another reason to go to Israel for P make yeah that that is definitely not true here in the United States the PES products are much more expensive and people um it's very difficult sometimes to to to deal with that yes um K Ron says baking powder is baking soda with the inclusion of an acid source that substance can be tartaric acids which is a great product requiring certification okay tartaric acid actually we we are various H reasoning we we not require certification on it so it's only the seems to be the kidus that might be in there that's the PES problem Are All Star parchment papers p RAB bar your here's parchment paper that we have here this is a typical um parchment paper brand Palisades with a star k and the answer to that question is that the answer is is that mostly mostly okay but not all of them not all of them basically I could tell you though that the if it's a non-treated parchment paper plain parchment paper or if it's a Quillon treated parchment paper so then it would be Co for Passover the only ones that we've found so far that we certify that are problematic are ones that are coated with silicone okay so let's take a look at this how do I know I'm a consumer but it's hard sometimes to know because silicone coded so this one would need so this one would need it would need the star uh it's it's on our list it does have it okay and in our book and online again you can get the list of all the RK parchment papers I buy I was picking out these products yesterday yeah and I saw this interesting uh uh box of parchment bags star k parchment bags uh with a star KP they show you you put your it has a piece of salmon going in there did you ever you said you never my mother yeah when she used to to make turkey she would put the turkey in a brown paper shopping bag okay and that helped to keep the moisture in the oven she put it in the oven that and it's not burn I don't know how she did it but she did it mom mom knows how to do those things but I think that I think that's the concept here it's supposed to help it keeps the the the uh keep the moisture in and things like that yeah uhuh it an interesting product I I didn't know didn't know about that okay let's continue a little bit with our Show and Tell here of I buy it and then we'll go back to the questions um uh this is a box of hand matah and actually it's packed in Israel and it has the over here it has the star k p it's a star k hand mat you haven't seen that no it's it's a seven mile Market brand Market brand yes they they they contracted to have matah made for them shur matah made for them in Israel and um that actually is going to be my mat by the Seder um donated by 7 m no no paid for by by us and it is um it is a little cheaper it is cheaper than it's $659 in seven miles what a deal yeah right well every few dollars helps a right buyer okay this is another another matah that's s mile made no name brand matah what is that is there any is there something on the this oh okay it's it says shab it's sh mat it's it's obviously machine mat box means we we've had mat we we'll assume that our listeners know what that is without going into it but um the um the kabura part of it is that many matzas although people assume that they're 18 minute mates that they're made in 18 minutes actually we've discussed this before a few times that they actually 22 minute mates that there's four minutes of needing that they do not include in the 18 minutes for various umic reasons but it it doesn't it's not really 18 minutes the kabur statement is telling you that it really is true 18 minutes from when they put the water onto the flour until the end of the baking and then they start to clean it's a it's a it's a you know it's exactly it's less than 18 minutes and that is what the other brands of kabur as well that Hadar makes a brand of kabor um it's not the same kabur it's not what do you mean it's not the same it's the same concept It's Made just means that's what the has come to mean it's come to mean that it's true 18 minutes while other mat that say 18 minutes is not really they don't usually yeah right they're 22 minutes right the 18 minute there are 18 minute mes that say 18 minutes on the box that are really 22 and that's why raban at one point um uh took off his his certification not because the Matas were not Kosher they were acceptable from A's perspective but from perspective of of of of you know full disclosure he didn't feel comfortable with it and we gave up that certification okay let's keep going on over here Rabbi buyer this is this is how do you pronounce this Ser cus I think it's Ser Ser series juices these are popular juices that are from South Africa South America South Africa South Africa okay South Africa um this is mango and it has a star KP there are mangoes out there with that have just a regular star k and the reason although normally it has a star KP all year there was some additive this year in the mango that was not acceptable and they only they only put a a star on it so you should be careful when you buy the the sah juices this is um saff safflower oil um with a with a PES certification can we just talk briefly about oils which oils are are acceptable well that one we do accept that one we do accept it's not we do not consider Kitt when I was a kid we used to use peanut oil peanut oil yes mhm we don't do that anymore as a matter of fact I got an email uh this week Rabbi berer that um they wanted to know that they do not consider peanut oil to be kidos this particular the questioner does not as many people did not years ago right maybe 30 40 50 years ago people were using peanut oil um and it came it came with the PES certification he said he still considers it not to be kidneys he wants to know where he can get it um I said doesn't exist in America there's no market for it anymore because maybe in isra I suggested maybe in Israel there might be a there might be people who are who are still making it with a with a PES cerification so you want to talk about oils go ahead way no I just wanted to ask what other oils besides safflower oil would be available uh for use or it should be cotton seed oil cotton seed oil cotton seed oil which is the oil of choice oil I've seen people use that a lot now it's expensive though the cotton seed oil is the oil of choice and things like mayonnaise um Passover something like avocado oil possibly I've seen that avocado o m yeah they're all expensive I don't know if it's available for PES but these are olive oil of course we do require we do require um I was told all olive oils a kosher for Passover is this true the star that is the opinion of some agencies are the star opinion is that it that that even extra virgin olive oil requires a Passover certification um many of our oils are Passover certified and you know we would would require a Passover certification um interestingly enough for everybody the cotton seed oil I think that's cotton seed oil this this one spray the spray yeah cotton seed oil that is for for Passover spray in Israel they consider that to be kidne so you will not find in a typical uh certified product for ashkenazim any cotton seed oil so the who considers a kidney yeah the general um custom in Israel is is not to use cotton seed oil for ashm on P in America we do not consider it um kitne so you know there are those distinctions between Israel and America and different places in the world for sure okay let's go back to our to our questions here RAB Bayer um coconut milk and cream Kosher for PES okay we have we have gotten more questions about coconut this year and last year it's a big deal Everyone likes coconut nowadays it becomes real healthy thing okay we have some information about coconuts um making nuts yeah um that the cream the milk the oil is shredded we do require a k kfp a kosher for Passover certification and we have a statement about it even though many coconut items oils are Kosher for passover at the source since they are repacked in facilities that do other non Kosher for pass silver products without we cannot assume responsibility for the PES status we cannot recommend for PES um we did because of the constant questions we did look into our own Brands to see if there's anything available and we have a brand called coconut secret coconut secret brand it's made by Leslie Organics they make coconut aminos coconut sap coconut sugar coconut flour even with this a plain star we feel comfortable recommending it for PES without a without without a p symbol I do not know of any coconut oil though I I meant to ask somebody before this webinar but I but if you if if um call us yeah call us but I'm not sure that we have something something available are there any baby cereals yogurts that are Kosher baby cereal we talked about baby cereal in the book um cereals I don't know if anybody's making um yet kosher mean they meal they mean like rice cereal the year round rice cereal for babies is not acceptable because it's made on Kus equipment or may be made on Kus equipment there is baby food of course that's Kosher for PES with a p certification you have First Choice brand applesauce carrots sweet potatoes is also Gerber Gerber brand some of their items um are are acceptable for babies without any any uh P certification uh we have that that's certified by the OU and we we bring down that information in our book as well okay let's keep going on here that's the K cups David wants noce star hold all soaps shampoos are that means they are not edible uh even to a dog and they would be okay for PES what about hand creams Cosmetics no that's not the star's opinion that's why in the book we have list of all the Cosmetics that do not have any um helmet issues the hand creams and so on we do have a list of them and um there people often wonder about that I mean you can't eat them they're not food right you don't eat soap I mean most people don't so why is it a problem for PES and we answer that question we have a whole article about it um Heber put together an article we have an article online um and this is not a custom that was uh developed in the year 2000 in the United States but it goes back many hundreds of years um the only thing I will say is that any dry Cosmetics like a a pencil or eyeliner a blush those even according to those who are normally strict about this Cosmetics rabman says they can use any of those because it's not it's not a liquid it's not a it's not a cream it's a it's a it's a like a powder those that's many Cosmetics I mean I don't use Cosmetics but yes many of them are like that so the dry the blush and so on those kind of items any of them are acceptable um and so that you know that would be that's good to know okay um does raw almond butter need a c for for PES there is one here I have alond behind the U yeah see what this is GRA my buy hold on this is creamy almond nut butter is that raw is it raw actually you're right it's not raw it's not raw oh I see oh wait maybe it is one second it says natural one what does that mean natural usually means raw let's see it's very oily so that also means raw yeah just almonds it's just almonds so you think might be roasted though might roasted it's hard to tell from you can't just it's hard to tell from the almonds statement Whata anyway yes the answer is yes because this processing it's a processed item the more process something is the more likely it's going to need a certification right in general and on especially uh Stark Tech RAB Chapan has put up the Quick Pick personal list thank you very much saves me the trouble of running through the steps thank you Ron says silicons are an artificial chemical class what is involved that makes it require its presence requires I'm not sure what he means by artificial because silicone is actually silicone is is a is a natural occurring uh uh mineral but um it's not the silicone that we're concerned about it's what's used with the silicone as it's used as a coating for paper that presents the the PES problem so you're correct it's not the silicone itself we have papers that are silicone coated that are Kos Passover it's something that's used together with the Silicon in this particular brand that was problematic okay um um okay the olive oils we we discussed that already okay the machine mods is question here I'm I'm not 100% sure what the question is so if you can call us at 41484 411 or email info@ stark. org our busy email uh uh line we'll be able to help you I hope arel says I think you missed my question that it's possible no that was the baby food question baby food question we deal with it yeah okay I'm sorry if we did miss it um from personal experience Rick in Columbus says cotton seed oil is a problem for frying it splatters all over the kitchen okay that's a reason not to use it and use something else instead I suppose um I saw Jeff says I saw acceptable styles of fish food does star k have any recommended Brands this is your yeah yeah I I always say I'm the starc pet Rabbi he's the pet Rabbi so behind him is pet rabbi um yeah we do get a lot of questions about pets and and many people have dogs cats fish ger balls you name yeah um all sorts of of creatures rabbits um and we put together the list that's in available for no charge on our website or in the list that we mentioned um as far as fish food fish food often haset in it that's really the basis of it um I have not seen this list I would be curious to see it if you can tell us where where you did find it the only ones that I found in in uh that do not have humet were the um they are long they're gel feeders tetr tropical slow relase gel feeders there's one called Tetra weekend good for 5 days Tetra vacation 14 days those are free um and then for goldfish and tropical fish they can be given tubular worms there says on the bottom you can also get shrimp cubes right right Frozen brine shrimp and Freez dried worms without fillers you have to be without fillers so there are some things available these are good A lot of people go away for PES so the TR the slow feeders are good um if you go away for for you know for PES you give them the 14-day vacation one and that that's fine but only well the other option is one for five days PES that's not long enough extended PES off is all year for us r p we started already like three months ago that's true is about 3 months after the star k year um uh so there there is some acceptable fish food and if you have any more we'd be happy to take a look at that um if if if link what's that Stark Tech has again okay posted the Stark petful list thank you by Chapman um if you have we get a lot of calls from people who have food that is not on our list a pet food that's not onist and um usually we ask them to email us a link to the ingredients so that we can check the ingredients right that's usually the EAS easiest way having the caller read off the ingredients is usually not the most efficient uh way some of the ingredients are not uh so easy to to read okay um is it necessary to have a new hot plate for PES instead of the one you use the rest of the year I do recommend getting a new Hot Plate because there are spills and there helmet absorbed into the hot plate it's like a right it's like a ble it I suppose if you clean if you clean it um and you cover it then um is it safe to cover it that's a good question then you're right may not be check that out right check that out I would actually you know with this terrible incident that happened in in in in FL um they were recommending that people check their plates and I actually looked at mine and it's not UL listed which means that it's not it's not not approved by this on the writer librator so so I I we stopped using our half plate because it's the wires frayed actually and I also realized that mine was made in 2003 that's quite old it's 11 years ago so I told I I I'm not going to use mine anymore I would get a different one that's that's that's safe is there molasses and Maple syrup Kosher for P I think there is I saw maple syrup I oh is this that's honey no honey but I did see maple syrup I was in the store yesterday I did see maple syrup there is a brand of maple syrup that's Kos PES molasses I do not know let's go to more some of our our other items here RAB bu um let's see what we have this is egg mates of course the egg mates need a Passover certification which they don't always have so remember when you're buying make sure it's you could make a mistake just happens a lot of times remember that the people who putting the products on the shelves don't realize is not always the mash in the store it could be somebody who just picking up a product putting it on the Shelf he doesn't know exactly you know what it is he just told to put it and he puts it in the wrong place we should in general mention that you know buyer and beware you should always look at the label always check the labels cuz many times you'll have a Passover product which is a very similar lab to a non Passover prodct and you w realize it until it's too late sometimes people buy pick up something that's not Kosh for Passover and then they come to the Passover aisle and they realize oh this is the one I want and they put that down and pick up the other one this these moas the egg mes always have a statement uh somewhere it's not that prominent here which is a little bit of an issue but they do have the statement according to the ra these egges can be used in a time of need by the ill or elderly person they cannot be used used to fulfill the Mitzvah of mat the Passover seder so it's you know it's a little bit hidden that statement we would prefer it to be more prominent but that is correct that um that generally ashkenazim healthy ashkenazim do not eat Eggman um of course we have the kin Ware Passover of a buyer but we're not going to go into that at month now time is getting short canned products need to be certified canned vegetables things like that the Passover yes you're setting me up yes can vegetables do need do need to be certified for PES this is again a shop right canned um cranberry jelli cranberry sauce it's a shopr band brand with a Passover certification um and again if you're looking to save some some money that should be uh a cheaper price than than some of the other brands um we have here we have here tuna fish California Delight which is star k I know it's a little bit hard to see but star k P certified it is also star s certified so we have to oh for the star s what is this Stars you brought it up okay I did stars is is the star certification for Safar we try to certify items that will be useful for the people of sporadic descent um which means that there sometimes they have some stringencies as in the cooking the bishell you lenes on Passover they have some leniencies the rest of the year if you see Star s then it's it's just a stricter standard um it has um it might it might be B meat or it might be Bish product that's a more strict level on on Passover the Stars can mean that there is a leniency like for what like for kidos which legumes like rice we do certify rice for for Passover for for Safar I should note that the rice that's on our list um still even if it's certified as not having any any PES issues for S but there still a custom there is a custom to check it through three times before use and even on the Stars certified rice that that custom still does does exist um there is one that wasn't on our list that for our I listeners may find useful it's Kirkland brand thaam Mali jasmine rice bearing a star k does not require a p uh it's a product of Thailand that is acceptable as well it's a that's a Costco uh brand thaam Mali jasmine rice bearing a star k product of Thailand is okay without without a p for Safar and then we have a whole bunch of other things we have salads peccant brand um these are all humus things like that humus which normally would be if you're realy you can actually have like humus with almost like a pizza type thing cuz the mat there they some have soft mat and then we have Frozen beans green beans cut green beans all all these things are available in Israel it's easier for a stic person P but in America we are trying to do what we can uh to get uh to have things available for Safar okay what about freeze dried worms for fish as every wants to know the freeze dried worms for fish are acceptable with no fillers they shouldn't have anything else it should be pure pure worms pure worms yeah that's the star w m right um there isn't any problem buying buying them or having them even though you keep a coast your home as long as you keep it away from your food uh that's no problem at all cupcake uh uh paper holders they need a certification all year start P guide last year said so but this year it doesn't this Dove is very astute RAB Bay because we did change our policy Dove is trying to I don't know what he's trying to zap us over here well no we changed our policy we change policy we are more lenient now on cupcake holders because we found uh due to our research that cupcake holders in general are not coded with anything that's problematic from a cous perspective for during the year for during the year but during so that that's that's very helpful that get that policy through because the the uh the kosher ones are not that not that readily available there's one brand that has there's a couple we we certify a few there there's some but there's there there aren't many M um Reynolds has on there we have a brand called if you care um which is which is available in some uh they can Whole Foods and places like that um but for pesak we found that there could be some uh starch issues and things like that that might be problematic for PES so that's why we say that the and you have some brands also paper Chef we do have some that are available for PES yes in the book we list in our book okay but that's really good Dove is following our our our policies okay Jeff says if it's not you elic I would recommend getting rid of it um I don't think he means the cupcake holders right he means the uh the hot plate and yes I'm going to take Jeff's recommendation get rid of my hot plate that's not you were listed um uh Ron has a question no that was without the Silicon again okay not for question for the webinar okay Zev says hot plates are not designed to stay on for great length of time but crockpots are designed to stay for many hours okay okay so I guess he's saying that the crockpots are are are safer in that way um I I I guess the hot plates people the the the the religious surface to keep the religious people keep them on for many hours and he's saying that they weren't really designed for that I yeah I keep them on on I like using it in the summer because it's I don't put my oven one keep it downstairs whatever okay that's a safety concern um how do we get email reminders about these webinars okay uh send us an email to info@ stark. org asking to be put on the list and we will do that right away and you will get a reminder it's generally the last Wednesday of every month at noon at uh at this web address and if you have any questions that we're not answering and we're not getting to please give us a call for 4110 um goldber the ladies at the front desk are looking for for for more calls they're not it's like bored these days and info@ stark. org you know we do get thousands and thousands of calls and we and emails this time of year but uh you know we try to get to everyone everyone is important Elise says is wild rice considered kidus it is not a real rice yes it is not really rice let me look in our kitous list that's a good question what does that mean wild rice is not really rice it's not a type of rice it's it's not botanically uh a type of rice but um but it looks like rice doesn't it I don't know let's see it's on page 68 I don't get it let's see if it's on our it's not on our kidne is list um I don't know would have to look into that okay um Jeff is is telling us some uh information about the UL testing Ben says if you check Romain letters three times using the method in the star k guide can you just put the leaves over a light box okay I'm not sure what I don't get the question exactly um but it does it does remind me that we put out an alert the uh last week that Roma lettuce and iceberg lettuce uh a very popular brands Dole Fresh Express uh available all over the country with a star k in at in the date code where they passed our inspection and put a star in the day code Roma is tending to be more buy sometimes so less times with a pass our inspection but iceberg is almost always okay it's because it's it's tight and almost you can't use Iceberg really for for MO no right I'm not talking about the M I'm talking about the the the the bug issue so we have found that because of the changing seasons right now uh even the iceberg is having issues and you you you will not you may not find the star K on Iceberg people sometimes just pick up Iceberg and they just put it in their cart without even looking at it um you should be checking the iceberg and the Roma and all the lettuces for the for the symbol um near the date code why is it near the date code because it's part of the inkjet it's not on it's not pre-printed on the bag because that would mean everything is kosher they they they Mash only allows them to inkjet it when it is acceptable um does does not need a p for PES though it does need a p for PES p and the uh the Romain is uh like you said could be used you could use it for with P you could use it for for your in case other people have that question about checking the Roma lettuce if they go on to the website you can look at the video of how it's done Rabbi tler shows you how to do it with a a um what are those um thrip cloth a thrip cloth thank you a thrip cloth which make I did that last year with with um with Roma lettuce and I found it to make it much easier uh to check and much more efficient um so you might want to take a look at that so Ben says it check it says to check up to three times if you can't uh if it's not coming clean after three times uh then we say you shouldn't use that lettuce so I I think he's asking then if if it didn't if it didn't come clean after three times should you check it over a light box and then check each Leaf individually for bugs that's a fair question and that requires some we have to think about that one if you can email us or call us we'll be happy to talk to you about that um R berer we we're almost coming to the end yeah we're running out of time let's let's talk a little bit more about some of these items here we have the alond milk I want to get to almond milk it has a Passover certification on this one it's the only one I know that is available as such and there are almond milks that um that are in our book that uh that are recommended to be humus free but they may have kidneys in them they might be made Inus equipment um they're not ideal so if you can get this one if you want almond milk this one is much preferred the one with the p is actually koser for PES if you you know you have a health issue and you need almond milk and you can't get this one or doesn't you know it's not the one that you need then we have a list of of of of milks that are available um that information came from the OU and that are acceptable for people who are in such a situation what else do we have here RAB buer um you want to talk about coffee Coffee R you mentioned a little bit right this is Sanka Sanka coffee with the this is s coffee with the with the PES certification this is instant coffee so what's the issue with instant coffee you want to tell us what why does it need a PES of certification well coffee in general needs PES certification because um number one coffee beans are roasted and there are times where they'll roast um other let say grains possibly in the same rooster that they'll do the coffee beans and then that could be an issue for PES um but the instant is more well more of an issue inant because well the way the instant are made um there could be equipment issues because that's made with um uh um the um the equipment that's used to make instance could be used to make other things as well so that could be problem because there there are a lot of ground coffees that are acceptable in the books but there's not very many instan right and then decaf is an issue because of the um because there are certain types of decaffeination the processing that it could use certain alcohols which could again potentially be a problem for PES mhm okay so so you have to get a Passover certification okay um um Jay Hill says meat what is the issue with kidneys that the meat has to be washed off how do we know which package Meats had that problem before it was cut apart by a processor or a butcher store I don't know that me where where did we say that meat has to be washed off our statement on meat is that raw meat and poultry uh is considered to be kosher for Passover all year unless it's compromised in your own house somehow but if maybe but but unless unless it's ground ground we say do does require a pce of certification so I'm not sure kind of of a of a um antibacterial that they use in some Meats right that that could be a problem right but where did we say that you have to wash it you don't know where that information is coming from I don't think it's coming from the Star um so I'm not sure about that okay Rabbi B I want to do something over here that I know you're going to like um we do have we do have over here I'm curious about this one of our special polls R buer this is I made this just for you for me mhm do you like R buyer yes or no question I try to cut costs by buying items that don't require a special pass certification and yes I try to buy those when I can or no I prefer to always look for the passive certification so I want to see what what what our listeners are are doing are they um are they trying looks like most people like to spend money for no good reason no that's not what it looks like right it looks like most people are trying must know my wife are trying to buy the the items that do not require certification um you know there not I'm not belittling it there are there there's definitely you know people many people would say I just don't want to worry about it it's Passover it's it's a strict it's it's worth the money you know I rather you know I'd rather spend the money than worry about you know having an issue um that's certainly a a uh a possibility you know many people would would Tove money there are people that don't buy any of these products there are people that don't buy pass everything is made from scratch you buy your raw your ra you know your vegetables your fruits your meat you know you make everything from from scratch that's also a a a possibility that probably would save money as well I imagine right I would think so um you know there are definitely uh people who there are people who who buy package products but won't eat out you know they don't they don't eat out of their house they won't go to a hotel they won't go to someone else's someone else's house they feel that you know they know what they're doing in their house but other than that they don't know um okay it does look like from our respondents um most of the people are are are trying to buy items that will save them money is there anything else here that we can help them with r buyer that will that does not require U certification and this is something that gluten-free uh noodles these are what's in here they didn't have these when we were kids I know potato starch noodles I wonder how it tastes but uh again okay that's not an item that you could buy here's an item everybody buy that uh is when I was a kid we used to eat these Barton's almond kisses remember that I don't actually I remember the Box the Box the metal box to it it was empty the metal box okay it's not it's not it's it is certified for Passover it's not so people always save those basses it wouldn't be a uh you know star k product you could not be it could not be brought at a star k event because it's not but for people who don't keep I think this is like a staple sometimes yes I've seen it in many Bart many home Al and kisses Barton I don't haven't seen their products too much but this one is is still around um okay let me close this hope it's not from when they were making it when we were kids well bu there there are significant amount of people who are always looking for the passive certifications that's interesting as well and uh so it's well we at this the certification company thank you most of the most of the of the of the uh of the people that were answered are trying to save money which is or what would have expected um we had a question here just one last question is foxes you bet is that kosher for Passover and the answer that question yes he I like that and and and the answer is that um you bet you bet it is available for PES with a Passover certification there are those at a par and there are those at the dairy non um I actually was in a store and I saw um I saw it on the on the on the Passover shelf and it was not the one that was for Passover and I mentioned it to the manager and they said they're going to change it do they make it during the year yes they make no it's not they make foxes you bet chocolate syrup but you should should know that where you're looking for the Passover certification is not on the label it's on the on the cap it's it's for the UB bet for the ubet it's ink jetted it's a it's it's a special like plastic cap um um plastic piece that goes around the cap that has the Passover certification so if you're just looking at the bottle you're just going to see a k or KD if you're looking for the Passover certification you got to look at at the top that's where it is um okay I'm sorry you don't need a you need a certification for B water Bott water does not need that's the question we get mostly during the intermediate days Passover and guys are like somewhere bottled water does not require certification if it just has um water and minerals it it's not necessary to be certified for Passover that is something that uh you could find it certified for Passover and then you know pay more but really it does not require thank you every everybody for listening I want to thank you Rabbi berer for joining us today thank you for coming Rabbi Chapman and Debbie Rosenstein for helping us on the technical side these webinars and all our webinar webinars are are archived and you can find them online at kosher class.org or on our uh Vimeo Channel or our Youtube channel search for Stark kosher also in our email that we send out uh telling you about these classes is it's at the bottom of the email it has a link to to all the uh the archive classes last month we did a webinar about I'm trying to remember what was it last month was that about fraud was it it was the one about co co kosher fraud uh fraud in the kosher Marketplace it was an interesting one you can you can view it um Zev again is is saying that we should have a webinar again before Passover um okay we'll definitely talk about that we want to wish everyone have a very happy and healthy Passover and if again if you have any questions email us info@ k.org or call us 41484 4110 have a great day everyone take care bye-bye