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03-23-2021 Halachos of Erev Pesach on Shabbos
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STAR-K Kashrus Administrators Rabbi Zvi Goldberg and Rabbi David Heber discuss the halachos concerning when Erev Pesach occurs on Shabbos.
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thank you rabbi haber for taking out
time from
busy busy busy week yep i have the
busiest week of the year
thank you for thank you for having me um
thank you i want to thank everyone for
joining with us today for this
uh this webinar our webinars are usually
held the last wednesday of each month at
noon
but everything is different this year
it's a it's uh manish
uh shauna jazos um
i want to mention that the pesach
products webinar that we had
two weeks ago is available on our
website star-k.org
videos all about new products and what
needs actually what doesn't
uh you can also download on our website
our our pacer guide
our app is the links to our app
available there
all the information is is right there
there's a lot that's uh this year is
especially uh busy uh if if
you want to call in here's the phone
number two six seven
two seven nine nine thousand two
six seven two seven nine nine thousand
and the pin
is five seven two six one eight
one five five i think that the
the the an incorrect pin was given on
the email but
this is uh this is the correct one so
the last time we had this
uh rabbi hebba was 13 years ago so not
everybody remembers
what they did then and some people might
have people making pests now for the
first time
might have been kids back then so they
don't remember anything
absolutely 13 years is long it could
actually go 20 years
sometimes it will have it happened 1954
to 1974 it didn't happen
okay and uh we were kids in 74
it was the first time it had happened
since 1954 which was
certainly before both of us were born
and it'll happen again in four years so
whatever you learned on this webinar
keep in mind for
2025 habanero
top shin pay and then after that it
won't be happening for 20 years so
mitsushem
uh in a tough
tough tough um tough tough hey
20 22 i'm sorry 20 45
but it'll happen again so there's a
break between 20 25 and 20 45 so it's
really
it's a unique it's really fascinating
because poor amount of friday
and era pesach on the shabbos are
have their own set of halakhas and it's
so infrequent that when it happens
um everybody wants to know what to do
and and like
the beauty of of yiddish kite is that
any little
knach different means a whole
safer of halachas meaning we don't have
to celebrate pesach obviously many
farmers have been written on it you make
one little change you know it's a matzah
shabbas and you have
era shabbos and now you need a whole new
safer
to deal with the basic kalakas that we
deal with because
times before eating comments burning
coming says we'll talk about
it's you need a whole new whole news
which there is
for such a special right right so but we
are hopeful that we will have uh
you know when mashir comes will again be
makadish the khodish will make the moons
according to the
the the exactly you know according to
the rear what we see
so we could have the schedule will be
sooner it could be sooner and it could
technically we try to the calendar does
try to model
what you know what if we'd have a them
seeing seeing the moon
i see it's trying to model what would
happen had there been adam
the way it was so technically you know
with bashir we'll have uh we'll have
also on a sunday
again we don't know but the only
difference then is
you're not going to know until two weeks
in advance so you'll have to
this webinar those watching this webinar
with the shift here
will know that they're rushing to find
quickly information because he can't
print anything
fast enough because they didn't know
teresh we have to have two two sets of
uh of us ready depending on what day of
the week it might come out on
exactly exactly that's a good point
that's a very good point um
i want to mention that we have a chat
box on the lower
right of our screen uh if
some people could chat with us just let
us know that you hear us and we're clear
we appreciate it and also if you have
any questions
feel free to ask and we will try do our
best to
get to them at okay
loud and clear very good thank you
and okay thanks very much for joining
let's start robert let's go in order i
think uh in chronological order let's
start with thursday
this coming thursday that's uh in uh
in two days from now what what is
different about that day
this year okay so we have thursday
morning and we have thursday night
thursday morning we have the times poor
which is
an interesting actually a very important
point the times before of course is the
fastest of the first born
uh the the prevalent meaning is to
attend to see him abu hor doesn't eat or
drink until he
attends to see him and to see him once
he partakes in the
see him then he could eat for the rest
of the day of course as we all know
that's typically arab pesach our
basically
shabbos this year as we've as we
mentioned shabs you know at the fast
with the exception of him kipper so we
need to we need to move
the tightness back even though most tane
sim you move ahead
they're two tanks in that you move back
two fast days one is times esther on
shabbos we move back we can't move ahead
because sunday's purim
and also here we can't move the fast
ahead
further later because it's pesach so we
move it back
it's actually very interesting because
and it's a little bit confusing because
someone asked me shiloh about
the fast and and on friday and i right
away
no no no no no the fast is on thursday
when eric when when pesach was a shabbos
which next year abolitive
pesach will begin on a shabbos so then
the fastest
error pace on friday when pesach is a
shabbos because it's our pesach and we
don't
we don't move it but here since it's our
pesach
once we're moving the fast rather than
have it on a friday which is uh not a
naughty kashmaka data fast
it's moved back to thursday so the
bottom line is that the times poor takes
place on thursday
this year on on you know really two days
before the normal day we're talking
about your bae's nissan
and not on on on their pace
not on friday either so usually we have
usually people make a seam
so that they don't have to fast this
year there's hundreds of people
available
should be to be able to make that seam
on massachusetts
from learning the da fiyomi correct very
convenient
uh to have it right around pesach and
not only that it's to see him
so the the the hidden mitzvah is to come
into a yantef
prepared and those who learned taffy me
for the last above three to four months
have are coming into pesach in a much
more prepared way
for all the various dinners that we had
in this afternoon okay so that's the
morning okay so you make you see him in
the morning or you're going to fast the
whole day whatever you're going to do
and then it comes thursday night so
thursday night we do the big this comets
and the only thing unique about
tapatika's comets
is that it's it's technically a
different day
because normally we do orla basar it's
the first bishop
the night the evening of the 14th of
nisan
so if let's say pesach is on a tuesday
monday is our bossard is the 14th of
nisan
so in that case um sunday night the
night before the seder
would be the bidikez comments
this year lal yoda is on friday night we
obviously cannot make the biggest
comments
so the vedica is rolled back 24 hours
and it takes place on thursday night or
leo gimmel the night of your gimmel
nissan
other than the time the badegas comets
is the exact same you'll do the regular
medica
following the medical you'll make the
regular call chamira that's recited
following
a regular biggest comments
okay so everything's the same you make
you make that's fine
okay um then uh so thursday night friday
morning then
and it gets a little more busy right
fridays where it gets it's tricky
actually you use the word busy
because actually this year friday
morning will be a
touch less busier than a regular era
pace of morning because on a regular
pace like morning you're finishing the
last bite of
of hummus and then you're running to
burn
to burn the hummus and you're really
getting ready for the seder
totally you know there's the table set
everything's ready
this year this year it's i would say
you'll be busier your mind will be
busier
trying to ice craze we're trying to
calculate what needs to be done so let's
go through the morning here
the israelis comments technically does
not apply
until the morning of shabbos morning
which we'll
talk about when we get to shabbos so in
theory you could continue eating
comments until shabbos morning
and you really can with certain
conditions
however what about as we know we have to
burn the comets
shabbos morning you can't burn the
comments now let's start a fire you
don't have to burn anything
on shabbos so we burn the comets on
friday now
in theory in theory you could really you
you technically khazal could have said
listen you have all day friday burn the
comments you have to shabbos okay you
can't burn on shabby so you have to lick
benching
in theory to burn the comments because
infinite wisdom
said no we don't we don't want to do
that because if you burn your comments
at five o'clock friday afternoon
or four o'clock friday afternoon next
year
you're going to come and you can say
well last year i burnt my comments on
arab pesach in the afternoon
so i'll do it again and obviously that
would be a
colossal error because the reason why
last year i.e
2021 tough shampoo if you burnt the
hummus friday afternoon
was because it wasn't er pesach every
peso was the next morning
and this year let's say next year 2022
tough should pay pays one second five
o'clock in the afternoon pesach
that's already this mine of you already
missed the boat it's already uh awesome
it's ready oscar you you passed this
bond it's going to be also you got to
buy your own at all slew problems you're
over on on possessing the comments
so it's a major major error so to avoid
that error
hazal said no this friday is no
different
than eredi era pesach and just like
every other pesach there's what's called
the seif's man
beer comments so too we're going to
create
seismic hummus for friday morning
which is whatever time posted we have
our our peso guide will tell you
many cities united states the latest
time for beer hummus in baltimore
it happens to be 11 33 in cincinnati
it's gonna be a little bit later
in boston it's gonna be a little bit
earlier whatever time it is
that is the seismom beer and therefore
you want to
you want to rid yourself of the comets
with the exception of what you need for
shabbos
more on that later you want to rid
yourself of hummus and
you want to burn your comets by the
seismic hummus which again in baltimore
is 11 33
in the morning the other difference is
at the end of the burning
you usually say you're called chamira
the second time
and that's your final call chamira which
is saying
what i see and what i don't see but here
you're not going to say any call kamira
because
tucked away following your burning is a
stash
of comments waiting to be consumed on
shabbos
so richard is asking i think you already
answered the question do you need to
burn the comments
friday morning by a certain time and uh
the answer is yes you burn it
by the what would have been the regular
time if it was air pesa
i mean i guess the difference could be
if you forgot let's say you you know
you didn't realize what time it was and
you you you woke up late and uh
and you realized a little bit later so
then you just go
burn the comments at that time i suppose
or do you mean like the guy who once
called me at two o'clock in the
afternoon pesach and said
he forgot to sell his comments oh no oh
you've got to oh no so i was hoping you
know
some people they sell their comments but
they don't sell real comments so like
okay you have a
you know you have your ketchup and this
which we could maybe deal with
is it real common it's not comets is it
only kidneys he said
i have a b i have a freezer full of
bread and bagels oh no
he not only saw real comments he sold
real comets
that was not so simple he had to find
the dumpster and uh
dump it all out and literally take it
all out of his freezer and dump it
um so but if it would happen this year
technically
you you would be both he would have to
find a guy to sell it too we'd have to
maybe
i don't know what i would do but at
least he wouldn't be either and he he
saw him other than
neglecting the takana to burn the
comments earlier
i see okay um so let's talk about that
that hummus that you leave out for for
the for shabbos what's the what are you
putting away what are you leaving out
okay so ideally
i mean again in theory i think in theory
and i'll tell you ideally in theory if a
person
wanted to leave our comments for
whatever they want they want to um you
know they want to serve cheerios shop
this morning
and they want to eat granola bars friday
afternoon
in theory that would be okay to do that
practically
you don't want to leave that kind of
comments out because like why are you
gonna
you know you just clean your house for
pesach you're gonna feed your child
cereals it's not
it's complicated you also get into
issues of
you know behindman's opinion is anything
you leave out was not sold to the guy
now this is
this is a big discussion amongst the
pisces exactly
how to deal with the situation but
possess you want to minimize this whole
issue with with leftovers to avoid any
any shiloh that you're getting into and
therefore you don't want to do that
um you want to leave over but but what
you could do is
you could first of all before we get to
what you left over you've sold your
comments everything's done you've put
aside
comments for shabbats which i'll explain
in a minute but let's say you went to a
store
friday afternoon and you wanted to buy a
granola bar or
or a donut and eat it and finish it and
throw the wrapper
by the store into the garbage can wrong
with that in other words
you sold your comments it's gone you've
now purchased a hummus item and you're
eating it
no problem just make sure you get rid of
any any type of
of you know leftover that you might have
and just you know
you technically mafker it you throw it
out in the garbage over there
but that's if you're hungry friday
afternoon for a non-custodial peso item
but
what you do need is you need pseudo
shabbos
um the prevalent mini is shabbos
uh to eat you know well i mean this
champions i'm talking about
is to eat um to eat
in other words you take a bread you want
and now you need luck mishna you need
hamaitzi
is a person
by pseudo shabbos kabay is the size of
an egg
um it's it's two kaze sim uh
roughly going to be in the you know 70's
let's say 76 cubic centimeters um
whatever you know regular because
two cause isomer and that's what you
want if you sue shabbos you at least
have to eat a casios
you have a meal friday night you have a
meal shop this morning so you want to
put aside
what you need for each of those students
we could talk about practically what to
do but that's
that's basically what you want to put
aside for for the sudas
okay so you're putting that uh you're
putting that uh that bread aside friday
morning so basically
what you're what you're trying to say is
even though technically you could leave
some other things out you're really just
putting everything away friday morning
except for those roles that you're going
to use for the shabbos meals
that's correct uh-huh and if you want to
go out for
uh some comments that's okay go ahead
and you can correct
right right practically speaking um
okay uh uh usher is asking baltimore is
really 11 33 and not 12 10.
okay that that's a great question i'm
glad someone asked that question maybe
we could spend the rest
of the webinar on this topic as you know
it's an old it's an old favorite
the the answer is like this there there
are two base opinions
and then there's several ways how to
determine one of the opinions
and that's as follows just to make it
very brief there's a there's a
well-known
i'll give you 30 seconds now 30 seconds
not enough time i need
i need 30 seconds shows money is in
alaska for that answer
right really i'll make it i'll make it
very simple
and that is there are two ways to
calculate um
incremental times of the day which are
safe sponsorships
one way is to go sunrise to sunset and
divide the day
into twelve parts that is the that is
the gun that's the raf
that's that comes out a more lenient
opinion when it comes to
uh these times and when he's writing 12
10 usher
he's probably referring to the to the
goings time the magana from
that you go from dawn until
which be dawn is when this crack of dawn
in the morning which means your day
is beginning much earlier it's beginning
at dawn
so now your your end of your um
you know fifth hour of the day or fourth
hour a day for eating fifth hour of the
day
for for burning is gonna be earlier
because you got a head start your day
instead of beginning when the sun came
up right you're beginning it's today the
sun came up in baltimore let's say at
roughly
um let's say you know 7 a.m let's say
well dawn was at 5 45 roughly so are you
starting your day at 5 45 or 7 o'clock
so if you so the bishop brings down that
since
khamens is dyrisa even though this these
times are abundant but the whole concept
one should be maximum like the magnet of
rum and therefore
you get a head start now the hours are
longer but you get an earlier time
and therefore typically the magnet of
rum's time is earlier
than that of the gun and then there's
how do you calculate dawn
and how do you calculate hub at the end
of the day that's also a discussion and
that's why even in the mughal rum
you can have a variance of opinions so
rabbi heineman gave us the formula
which magnet of ram he wants to use for
this calculation
and based on that it's not 72 to 72 it's
not 72 minutes before sunrise 72 sunset
that's that's from henkin
and in the um um uh
as his tyrol but we take a little bit of
a different way of calculating the day
and and therefore we end up with with
his time
okay so richard's asking what if he go
is he going to work on friday and he
can't get over his comments early in the
morning
uh what about one o'clock 12 30. i mean
i would say he should do what he would
do if it would be era pesach in other
words
what if like like any other year where
it's error-paced
they burn they just burn it before they
go to work and if he wants to take
hummus to work
again you're burning it and you take
your little you know lunch
your little uh lunch to with you to work
and then you you know
you go you finish it off and then shine
get rid of anything you don't have
you know you're not gonna eat what time
is comments burning in in new york or
behavior
without looking it up hummus burning in
new york i don't know all these times by
heart
oh okay i'll look it up though okay we
caught you we could i'm gonna guess it's
a few minutes
let me take a guess i mean i guess it's
about uh
10 22 but let's see if i'm right okay
they what they want
they want to um they want to talk about
egg moss we'll get there i think
we'll get there soon soon enough
okay new york um oh
muncie 10 22. america 22.
okay you got it okay yes
i won the lottery on those numbers right
it's a very educated guess
um okay so we finished okay so we put
away everything except for the comments
that we want to use on uh
on on friday night and chubby's um
we want to remember can you move your
mic a little bit away from
further from me further away further
from the speak from your speakers
because we're getting something
yep no problem okay so um
i want to remind people that they
probably don't want to use regular
hollow which is very crummy
would you agree with that usually people
are using uh pita
or bagels or something exactly right
practically speaking
first of all you want to use fresh rolls
again this is not how long
this is practical people don't like
crumbs you know etc
and you know you want to avoid crumbs um
ideally you should use fresh rolls not
frozen
because when you take things out of the
freezer they crumb a little bit easier
fresh rolls fresh pizza but obviously
the issue at hand is
you know to eat monsanto pesach right so
that's out
that leaves you with an option of comets
um
as far as rolls and therefore correct
pizza is a little bit big though
it's a little bit hard to calculate
because it's on a pizza it's flat
it's got you know it's got hollow in the
middle but again it certainly works
remember however you keep saying cause
ice isn't isn't it isn't it
they said because you washed with a
bracha correct well
you're right sudam i'll go through the
numbers here
there are three several numbers dealing
with surah shabbis
is a competitive yay sir more than
which is two which is tucson to make al
jazeeda
at the minimum at the bench as a minimum
you need a kazias so if somebody can't
eat a cobaia then they would be youtuber
with a kazaas but i i just use kazayas
by road but you're correct i
i mean say the khmer yes the other thing
is because it has to be within
cadets process which is a form of two to
four minutes ideally two minutes
but they have a four minute that's only
the first because i second size
how much how much of a let's say uh in
baltimore we have the
the goldberg's bagels store how much of
a bagel of
of that is considered the kazias
that's a good question i i'm going to
guess a gold red bagel
i'm going to guess a quarter of a bagel
is going to because it's
um because a quarter yeah a quarter you
can have a good golf ball
a quarter of a half a bagel would be a
conveyor
yeah probably more than a kebab but more
than enough
but those are pretty big bagels yeah
yeah yeah in other words if you want if
you want to
exactly again what the simplest way is
you pull it apart and give it out i
think the simplest way and there are
two different um facilities here that
have shown me
their roles and what they want to do is
they want to create a cabay of the
iceroll
and the idea of that is the two
different size of roles you might want
to get
the kebabi icer role would be is you
have your role now you need a second
roll so
the second roll you make you make here's
what i think i'm going to do is let's
say i have
seven people at my table marshall right
and now
i'm gonna have eight rolls so if you
have eight cabe rolls i'm gonna make i
might see a mine
and then i'll hand off the roll to the
next person and we'll make his home i
see this i might say that myself at the
end it's going to be an extra roll
so someone's got to eat two of those or
you know
carefully split it up or save it for the
next morning right
and then in the morning you'll deal with
with that extra roll i don't say well
you have an extra roll why don't you
give out the one that you use for a lot
of emissions
i don't want to break up if i don't want
to start handing out
you know it's normally you cut it up you
get a whole slew of crumbs
i'm avoiding the drums you could do that
but if i make comments
i'm sorry i don't understand the numbers
if you had seven roles couldn't that
cover seven people
what do you need last guy the last guy
is gonna have one left
he needs two everybody's making
a multi on their own right let's say
everyone makes so much sense i see okay
okay option two option two is to have
eight rolls for seven people
and then i make him icy for everybody
like i do every shabbos
and then i take one roll and just cut it
into eight pieces
hand it out to everybody they eat from
ala commission and then they eat that
roll
why don't you just have seven rolls make
a mostly on all of them and give
everybody one
um uh that's a good question
when you have roll number three four
five six seven eight is that car
parallel
why not yes it is didn't think of that
well think about that we'll we'll get
back to you i don't know i don't answer
that question
well think about that i would assume
you're right i just never did it okay
so let's go back to where we didn't we
didn't really finish friday yet what
else do you have to do on friday
to get ready for shopping what do you
need to do okay so you also friday
you want to there's certain things that
you would do normally on air of pesach
that you have to do now
and even more than that because there's
certain things that are mutual that
might be prohibited
on shabbos like you know cooking
right so normally normally you would
cook on air of pesach for
yantef here i mean in theory mate
shabbos you could start cooking from
scratch
but that's not really practical you're
going to start you know you want to sit
down to the seder
so what most people are going to do is
they're going to have
items that are ready made and it'll be
in the fridge or the freezer
so that might say shabbos i.e lal seder
olive
they're able to pull it out so the
cooking process
of what you want to prepare all of that
needs to be done on
friday so that shabbos you're much
obvious you're ready to go
um you wanna you wanna preparing the egg
and the
correctness already especially because
you're not eating this right really
so you're going to get into a problem of
cooking you only have to cook something
you're eating
so it's a symbolic item so it's not so
plush it i mean some people would like
to eat it the next day but
you're getting into problems um the
dryer the bail right the egg
you ideally want to roast before you
enter if you want to check the lettuce
that's very important
normally you you if you're buying
pre-checked
romaine lettuce if you're using romaine
lettuce for murder
you either want to buy the pre-checked
star k or other
you know other good hexer um
but if you're checking it yourself
that's a process you don't want to do on
shops you don't have
and therefore you want to you want to
check on friday for that there's also a
big discussion about
salt water if you don't have a whole lot
of salt it's not such a problem of uh
of um right correct or someone sent me a
picture of
starcase certified salt water right
i thought that was a joke is it real i
saw a picture of it that goes together
with um
uh the ten pieces the ten piece packet
right
having ten pieces you know you know the
joke they tell over where someone went
into the bookstore with a straight face
and he said uh do you sell pre-pre um
uh pre-comments you know ten pieces and
the feather and the candle
you sell the ten pieces already broken
up they said sure we have it
the guy says i want to buy organic
for the time pieces or whole wheat
okay so all right you're preparing
everything on uh on
on air of uh a nerf jobs i saw one
practical uh idea that when you set your
table friday afternoon for shabbos
don't put your your and you uh you have
some sort of probably some disposable
tablecloth on top there so you can throw
everything out
if there's crumbs there you don't want
to have them you know or you want to
shake out the tablecloth whatever you
want to do
don't put don't put your candelabra in
the middle of the table
on top of your tablecloth because then
you're going to be stuck
not being able to clean off your
tablecloth either if you have a plastic
one just to shake it
to throw it out or shake it out outside
whatever you're going to do you want to
get rid of those crumbs
right correct a lot of people can eat
outside which we'll get to that issue in
a moment
okay but um yeah else is a discussion
also
so salt water really depends how much
salt you put in you know about
to prepare that actually excuse me it's
no different this year because
you can't prepare it on shop it's that's
that's when friday night is is basically
prepared salt water friday night
here it's going to be under anyway so
it's no different than you know by the
time you prepare the salt water it's
going to be onto
the issue also it's a crane of grinding
crane
or not this is a discussion amongst the
pisces because tychain
is prohibited on shabbos you're not to
grind crane on shabbos
on yantef so if something is going to
lose its pungency
so then you know one could grind it so
if you want really strong
crane then maybe it may be motoring when
in question
you you could do it with a shinoahe
which means you you you grind it
obviously that would electrify that with
a
um you know with uh uh in a way
rib eyes and so on and yantif and then
you get into shiloh's ever is a rib eyes
and considered
the coil or not so some people will to
avoid
again their price can give you eights
how to deal with this
but some may find it rather than getting
to any potential shilohs they're just
going to prepare
the rain on on friday
so so so you're saying this basically is
two options one is to prepare the
the if you're making real crane prepare
it before shabbos and cover it
and try to keep it uh fresh see the
other is to do it on must say shabbos
on yontiv itself and do it with a little
bit of a sheen
if that's the coin some pisces would
need some sheena like
you put it on to paper and things like
that um
okay fine what else do we need to know
about about friday
um it's again it's different than most
every pa
or a peso because you're preparing you
know normally every peso
we oh another very important point a few
a very important point
arab pesach normally
today um the day
um take a haircut you know
so one o'clock you can't clip your nails
anymore you can't take a haircut you're
not supposed to that's a
regular year a regular year this year
this year because they replaced it with
shabbos friday after hot sauce it's
friday your gimbal there are no arabic
prohibitions so you could you could
trip your beard shave and or whatever is
necessary you know it's not a problem
those who keep the first
two interesting notes
but one is that those who keep the first
sphere will have the longest possible
beard
come like blamer because you're actually
the last shave you could take is before
it looks it on
your gimmel and you gotta go all the way
to lyman gimmel in the morning
which is basically almost five complete
weeks because
your last shave is friday afternoon and
you can't shave the friday morning
under normal circumstances five weeks
later you never have that long
in fact sometimes you you know like
vitamins at sunday you get the bonus you
get to
right last year last year which is
thursday it was friday shoppers were
allowed to shave
friday so a lot of a lot of a few little
shortcuts here and there here not only
is it not a shortcut
you got to shave a day early right
that's one interesting thing the other
one i want to point out i didn't see
this anywhere written up
and um it's it's a fascinating
that it's a mission it's a mishna in
massachusetts
that says that list certain people who
are allowed to take a haircut
on halamite pace hommaid right
someone who was you know become
came out with a letter of incarceration
and et cetera one example is someone who
got it from avelis
and the question is who who's that
person because they think about it
if a person ended shiva on yanta if that
means they're still in schleischen
halamite so they can't get a haircut an
element a person
was not saying shiva you know in nissan
beginning
and now they're in slation this week so
young tiff terminates the slicing
when you have to determine situation
they're allowed to get a haircut and
shave
i'm talking about now not for a parent a
parent you've got to wait
at chicago let's say a sibling for
example so one slice of man is going to
get a haircut if if youngthe terminates
the schleischen then they could get a
haircut look vagina because
the constriction was ending that night
so who is this person
right who is this person so a very
fascinating case and it only happened
it could have potentially happened this
week and that is someone's leviah
eleno was on sunday and let's say he had
brother brothers let's say who are now
in shiva right now
okay their shiva is going to be with
sunday monday tuesday wednesday thursday
friday shabbos
they technically finish shiver shabbos
morning
and then the shabbos there slice him and
now
terminates the slatium so they finish
slightly now they can't get a haircut on
friday
because they're middle of shiva right
but yeah it comes colomate and they're
already double slicing
so they can they can then take a haircut
correct and that is the only case
and it only happens on pesos on a sunday
of this case so because they're very
funny they'll ever have it
let's take some of the questions sarah
by rabbi uh rabbi heber
um there's some questions about what the
times are so we have the charts on our
website you can take a look there i want
to mention
that uh in in a few minutes uh before
the end we're going to put up
we have some written documentation some
of the things that
is talking about he wrote about in our
in our piece of guide we'll
we'll give you that so you can have that
um we found very interesting from 1950
right it was also uh erev
shabbis and robert breuer zaczal wrote a
document for the broader community yucky
community and we have we have a copy of
that it's interesting to see
what he writes over there i don't i have
no idea that 1950 was airbased i only
know because i see the date
i only i assume because i see the date
on the uh
on the pamphlet and we have to you
really needed it because it hadn't
happened before that since 1930.
we really didn't know what to do okay
okay
um and simcoe is asking
eating the roles in a different room and
how do you work out so let's talk about
that let's talk about going to the
friday night souda
if i'm only having the only thing i have
is my uh that's hummus is going to be in
my rope my
rolls or my or my bagels or my pita
how am i going to make kiddish and then
do the whole the whole suda
okay so this this place is a friday
morning friday night and shop this
morning
right and um once we're the topic we'll
just talk about the end of shabbos
morning and then we'll we'll
um we'll cover a little of all that to
soothe this shabbos if you're using
rolls
so let's assume from you want to eat
outside like a lot of people are going
to want to do
i think actually weather's supposed to
be nice friday night and shop this
morning
um at least here um so what do you do so
you run into a breakfast question what
you're going to do is you're going to
make our mices we spoke about
mishnah how to how to take care of that
everybody everybody eats now you go
inside because remember
everybody's meal is going to be cautious
because the actual pseudo other than the
hamazi
the rest of the meals is going to be
akasha pesach and you're going to be
sitting on
your pesach table with you know pesach
items so what you do is people can go
outside just because it's a little bit
less nerve-wracking to go outside now
you make i might see
then you make kiddish outside so you
can't make kiddish by the pesach table
go outside
make hamas and come back in because we
have a we have a concept known as kitus
malcolm suda which means when you make
kiddush
it has to be where the suit is so what
you want to do is you want to take your
pekka
outside with the wine or grape juice and
you're going to make you're going to
make kiddush
and immediately following that you're
going to make a mexi and you're going to
consume
as we spoke about the the proper amounts
now you're in the middle of suitor
now you're going to head back into the
house
and you're going to finish your suitor
so now you're going to have friday night
you have your soup your your
fish whatever you're eating and chop
this morning you have your chocolate and
so on and then
you get a bench now the shout out is
where the bench what
what kind of challenge are you having
consular pesach no barley
everything regular peso by the way
the practical ether for your crock pot
many people like to use a crackpot we
have a special customer base like
crockpot you cannot cash your crockpot
so you have you want a crockpot
you need to have a um a customer pesach
one
obviously you could make it you could
have a if you don't want a special crock
pot you could make your trolling food
pasta on the stove
um if you'd like but let's say we have a
crushed basil crock-pot
but people are a bit nervous to keep it
running you know it
comes to comes one o'clock even maybe
some people 11 o'clock in the morning
10 30 they'll be done with the challenge
now that crackpot's gonna run for two
and a half days
until monday night because you can't
unplug it
very simple eight so this is not a
halacha but this is a practical ether
within allah
and that is if you have you get a timer
um
someone maybe want to have you do the
time or you'll ask your electrician but
you want the one with the pins
the the the green pin is on the red pin
is off let's say
what you do is at four o'clock in the
afternoon on on friday
you put it you put two pins in you put
it 2 p.m
red pin and a 3 p.m green pin
you spin the dial to 4 p.m okay now it's
on
because it clicked on at 3 p.m and it's
4 p.m you plug it in you plug in
everything
and now it's on you pull out the green
pin
and now all you have is a red pin in the
dial
which is off so now it's friday
afternoon 4 p.m it's going to spin
around
comes 2 p.m on shabbos it's going to
trip off
right it's going to trip off and now
you have you have your crockpot off you
don't need anymore but we'll buy you
eight challenge already hopefully by two
people you're trolling
and now the the crackpot's off for the
rest of the
the same things the last days should we
show based on the shabbos sunday you
have the same thing
set it in that way and then it's off
anyway as far as benching let's go back
to the suitor
you ate the suda i might see outside
i think the the this this luca day is
here but i think it's mojito
to go back out to recycle samosa where
you washed
there's also chuvas where if you
certainly if you see into the place if
you
it's a porch where you could see in the
windows the shades are open and you can
see into where you're eating
it's all chicken one malcolm and
therefore you could bench in that place
as well
where you actually ate your suitor so
again
you know their price could say you could
bench also inside
you know estimated
where it played but certainly if you go
out to the original place that's
certainly
you know holidays that's it that's the
right much
to say because that's based on you got a
bench where you ate so and here you ate
your your pass
in outdoors and therefore you're going
to
uh um you want a bench there now
on shabbos morning you've now finished
your rolls
right you're not finished your rolls and
now you want to
you want to now that's it in other words
it's 10 25
you finish your rolls and now you want
to
flush any crumbs down the toilet throw
away your
you know any plates that you use if you
put it on tissues you could maybe flush
tissues down the down the toilet as well
but if you're afraid to clog up things
just the plates and the tissues you just
put the garbage if you could dispose it
outside that type of
that's better and now you then at that
point would reset your call chamira
um at that point okay so you're assuming
that you have nothing
no cr all you have is some crumbs from
the
from the bread that you're using correct
right so you want to get that out of
your possessions either down the toilet
or spread it in the wind or something
like that right
correct is that right okay um
a number of people mentioned the egg
mods idea rubber here we can't
we can't uh we have to talk about that
there that
you know there are post kim who say that
you can use you can use uh
egg matza for the suda instead of bread
correct but there was one more thing i
wanted to mention um
first of all um right you're gonna
you're gonna watch of course you
you're gonna watch inside and then
you're gonna make your
uh um you know you're gonna make your
how might the outside
right you're going to make your i might
see you know you make alzation
um you you wash indoors
right let's say you don't have an
outdoor wash you can wash it tonight
that's why
you're gonna you're gonna make it i
might see outside there is another issue
by the way
of um you know and of course
you know speak to your rav exactly where
where to um
um you know you can make how mighty
after your hands are dry
you're obviously gonna you're gonna make
it i might see it uh outside
the other issue so i'll show this i
don't know if you wanna crack monsters
all should at first
well uh let's talk about the egg moss
idea fine sure
so eggman is a big discussion in the
pisco right a big
discussion um eggmats of course what are
egg masters eggman
our minigame is not to eat them after
this man
which means once once 1033 rolls around
you can't eat the egg monsters however
they're not comets
in that you don't have the issue of of
bali rabbi
which means you're allowed to own them
on pace like yourself when we say
we can't eat them you know the elderly
or children are allowed to eat
egg says on pesach well children who who
need it
or children who need it there's not a
lot available um
if i just want to make a parenthetical
statement here
uh in general there are there are
products in the market
there's eggmats of products that kids
eat they have now spin-offs of egg
monsters like
chocolate egg matzus right which also
only children and eat it i always
wondered that it was
years ago where there was not a whole
lot to eat and all you could give a kid
was egg matza and then you want to give
them
some sort of treat so then you gave
megamon so with chocolate on it today
there are hundreds of products
that are dozens of products that are
kid-friendly
kids have what to eat you know based
staple products
an array of of you know matzo meal
products for those we can brooks
you know tons of products that are out
there i just
i don't understand the need anymore for
for a a a sweetened egg matt's a product
oh those are for hailem
i mean all right needs to eat an egg
masa if that's he wants to eat something
soft that's filling
and gives them the you know the the the
proper
khamenesh mini doggone that he needs so
that i understand but now you want to
chocolatize it
or sweeten it for a while well you need
that there's other options
let me you know matzo milk or potato
starch cake
plenty of that or plenty of other
products i i never understood clark
about it it's just a little bit of a
editor if a
a little talk radio uh uh discussion
that's number one but let's
let's go as long as you you went on
tangent i would say that star k has
eggman has a i'm sorry a chocolate
covered matzah that's made with real
matzah
that's not right not with egg matzah so
that could be le chile for anybody if
they
so that would be you know that would be
a great option i'm sorry go ahead right
no and the rub
that behind him in other words would
never let a a
a product like that because there's
really no cotton has plenty other
plenty of other products for tannim
for hylum so i think this is an old
minig that was necessary
65 years ago that kind of never fell by
the wayside
that's uh anyway back to um
back to the the egg whites itself okay
so egg masses are let's see you eat
eggmaster right now
so you would make them a zionist on egg
matzah because it's
matashira it's it's um
it's it's not a regular bread it's not a
regular matzah
and therefore the broccoli would be
abarimozaris however if you're convey a
suda
on something which is known as passover
kisnan then
you make hamaitzi this is a very nice
article by rosen on this topic
defining what's the suda defining what's
possible by kissing
and as you see from the articles in the
torah it's a complicated sugi
so the question now becomes instead of
using
roles well eggman says solves the the
for those who are nervous to bring
comets in the porch
crumbs et cetera you burn all your
comets on friday
it's all gone the house is rid of comets
now you have egg masses you take like a
mission of egg masses
and you make hamaitzi so some are
annoying to do that
this is the truth from maisha maisha
said that that's okay to do that
um they're they're hulkadays uh some say
if you do it you need to eat it sooner
which means you have to eat it
with a whole suitor you have to eat
enough of the egg monsters you have to
eat a a lot of egg mats
i saw in the you know from mississippi
treasure chest published a contrast they
said
if using egg masses you need each person
you see two matzahs that's what that's
i'm quoting
so the teachers that say you gotta eat a
lot or you need a suitor with the
with the matzos right and then there's
something that say you know
you don't want to go this way because
you get yourself into a process issue
and therefore just avoid it and go with
the roles which which are
a more nervous method and more
potentially comets
issue but it's a regular pseudo it's
hamazi and everything is
you know you're eating you're eating i
might see this holiday
and therefore just you know go that
route okay so
star k and refinement don't recommend
the eggman's the
uh solution that's correct behind him
was not not a fan of um
no okay uh now you are getting into the
behind him in that discussion of issues
and one can ask the rav
the concept of maisha pass
you have to fit passion many places can
hold at 10 33 you're done now go inside
and finish the meal
some say like you're getting into
another broccoli's issue because
um you can't eat bread anymore so how do
you potter the the challenge at that
point normally you you could eat bread
this is a shy of one chinese step ice
cream but again it's a brachus
um era pesach is a brachus you know
rolled into one day and one not to
mention another article we have in our
book
that talks about bronchus on pesach of
an array of products if you make matzo
meal products if you make
potato starch products uh do you make
matzo bread
how big is it it's fascinating pie spice
alone
is a is a central place for
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uh we are as as i as i mentioned on the
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you can you can keep sending us
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i'm sure you're answering uh more than
me but yesterday i had 40 uh emails uh
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this is a break
thanks for thanks for the webinar
because do not disturb on the phone and
call tell them i'm in a webinar we still
have to keep the caches going the plants
you know are still people
and the mashikum are still visiting and
everything no i had an issue with a
factory i had to speak to a company this
morning an important issue
going on with the supplier of something
it's uh never-ending
so but we do we do try to get to
everybody okay let's see some of these
questions that richard is asking
is one able to place the garbage from
lunch on shabbos and shall show this in
your garbage can for monday morning
pickup
hmm um
it's in your shoes right i mean well
some garbage cans in baltimore the green
garbage cans that we have
the city gave out they say they're the
owner of that garbage can
um some people are i mean your mafia
account for the ira it's again that's
it's really better it's really better to
any extra to
you know flush down or give away to a
guy you really need planning in other
words you try to plan as best as
possible and not everybody could
you know we have many magnesium and as
we emerge from uh from corona
uh it's a little bit easier people have
been vaccinated then it's much easier to
you know in a safe way people who
invite people last minute they don't
know how many people they're going to
have are going to show up so how much
better they need how much child do they
need it's not
it's not so simple so but most people
though know exactly who's going to be
present
um at their at their soudas um
and should plan accordingly that they
don't have leftovers if they do crumble
it up and
we said crumble up and flush down the
toilet if if feasible
i see okay um let's take some other uh
other questions um
okay there's a question here about
davening how are you going to dive in on
on job this morning
and be able to do all this before in
baltimore 10 33
right okay well that this this is the
shabbos of
um of hashkama manyanam
and for those who are abundant out there
it's the only time in the jewish
calendar that rabonum have off
two shabbos mornings from the russia
yeah meaning the meaning of our bonham
is
robert goldberg you're a you're a
veteran rav of san jose california
as you know the minute we give shops
like oh joshua which the meaning this
year was to give this past shabbos and
preparation in fact ramesha feinstein
in the josh mitchell you see that he
also darshan don't say nissan
on shabbos in 1927. he's a very
beautiful uh
stickle so that was again the first time
i got old so this past the mini rabbanum
don't darshan
in the morning shops are going off they
dodged in the afternoon so this past job
is i did not direction charms morning i
gave a chop said oh joshua
in the afternoon do i give one to women
and won the shirt to women and the
russian
to the men and then this shabbos no rov
is going to give a drawstring because
everyone's rushing to get home the
minute is everybody
david's early we're going to dive in
marshall's goddamn 715.
some shows will dominate maybe seven
maybe some will choose 730 whatever
whatever it is and that allows you to
finish let's say dominating by 9 59 30.
actually it's 9 o'clock and then you're
home by 9 15 9 30.
that gives you an hour to eat the suda
again we'll talk about splitting in a
second but you know 9 30 you go ahead
and you wash and you manage and
you you take care of whatever you need
to take care of the regular 8 30 let's
say
on a regular shower at 8 30 there's just
no markup to do that because
if we're down at 8 30 and we finish it
even out of joshua we're done 10 30
you know that's at the buzzer there's no
way you're going to be able to
uh do that you do extra time after dave
and early i made available
i i hope that the listeners can see it i
think it might be on the top left of
your screen
uh shared file shared files so i have
i have um robert broyer i mentioned
before his era pace of shabbos from
1950.
i have of course robert hebber's article
it's called arab shabbos pesach and
that's
that's printed also in the starkey book
and on our website
then i have from our behavior field
there's a nice um
summary of the halachus of of the the
the
thursday friday shabbos and i also put
up our whole passover directory
our quick pick personal care and a quick
pick medicine list this is uh you know
with this you can get by peso
this is what you need um
that and uh and some extra um
patience to make it through um so i hope
everybody can see that if you can if you
can see it let me know because i've not
usually done that it should be available
can anybody find what i'm
what i'm i might i shared with you
oh you can see it okay so you can
download it if you want from there
okay um
okay so what else are up here what else
do we have we we
we we're coming down to the end of our
webinar what else is
important so a couple other points here
one is also this
shall show this is obvious problem the
these mine that we
passkin for sures
is a half hour after midday
that in baltimore that's 150 this time
of year 145
and anywhere it's going to be after
god's size so by definition half hour
after that
it's based on length of the day so
anywhere it's going to be after number
one this amount of
comets so you can't you can't eat bread
anymore you can't imagine anymore
because they're pesach so you're stuck
how are your yates child shooters
so um i actually discussed this in my
shop i was like oh joshua this past job
is that's obviously not taped
um i elaborate a little bit on this and
the shirt i gave for women
in my show which is on available on
torah anytime um
for those who want to see a little
expansion of of some of these some of
this discussion
um a share really on their page that
central anytime
you could search other speakers and you
can find it but we'll be makatsu here
and that is shall shoot you can't eat so
what do you do so hazal the bicycle say
eat mini tagima after 1 45
you eat filter fish kugel
and the like now if you eat kabrox you
could even eat matzo matzo
right you can eat boiled mats you cannot
eat baked matzo items matsumo cake
no one could eat arab pasta the whole
day right
but boil mats if you could rocks you
could eat for salt shooters
until until the 10th hour of the day
which in baltimore's 4 18
again it's three hours before shkia this
time of year three hours is basically
three hours maybe three hours and five
minutes to ten minutes because the day's
pretty much uh equal
six to 12 hours bottom line is until
three hours
a little more than three hours before
sunset you could eat
uh these canadians look otherwise just
eat filled fish a piece of botanical etc
and with that you are um your your
youtube child students because
there's no other no other real
option you can't even eat eggmats at
that hour because again
once this man of of hummus comes we
don't need egg matzes
so you're stuck now there are people
that are going to talk about splitting
the pseudo in the
morning okay that the purpose of that
is the opinion of the run is that you
can each all shoot us before
there's no time limit on child shooters
we don't we don't possibly like that
wheat pots can
any any shops of the year after milk
daily
right but but today afternoon you can't
wash so
at least to fulfill the opinion of the
run
there's some people who wash an
additional time in the morning
and therefore they make almighty again
to each solid shoulders
even though they're not really said but
they're just going to run to do that
you're going to have to split the meal
so what you're going to do is you're
going to
eat your first suitor which is really a
second suit of shabbat friday night you
shop this morning
you can come home until 9 30 you're
going to quickly eat a suita
and then you get a bench at 9 45 your
suit is going to be rolls maybe some
chop liver with it or fill the fish you
get a bench now it's 9 45. now you need
a half sick you can't
go and wash two minutes later because a
proximity shrikha you can't stop a meal
and start a meal why did you stop the
meal for
it's a broken street especially here
where you're not you you'd say
according to many opinions shelters
anyway so it's truly broken
so let's say 9 45 you're done 10 15
you're going to watch again
and make a mighty that's your solid
it's according to the run
and now you'll be yourself and then
you'll you'll you know
you'll have that suit so some are like
it is a humra
we'll call it if you don't do it it's
fine even if you do the khumra
it's important to know you've got to eat
solid sugars again later you can't say
what a child shows this morning
no because you weren't really nice
childhood so again after 1 50 p.m
mr toilet you're going to eat you know
filter fish etc by the way the 418 um
is is if you missed that time you
certainly you could certainly
you know eat your cocoa or your filter
fish to be honest after that time
you know you should eat you should wash
before this month
of uh of this time because the sketch
shop is going into sunday
and you have to say as well
where if you could break your suit up it
has to be after this month notice if you
break your suit up shoot your face off
it has to be after this monitor so the
child should it's or you want to do it
before whatever the time is at 4 at 15.
end of pesach and then uh in the oven
you could eat all day you could eat all
day till sunset
you can sell sugars you can wash if you
have to talk about now on
pesach or now you could go and get
filter fish i hope that was clear
i threw out a whole bunch of different
things well we'll have the recording
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want to come to the to the to the end
pretty soon okay just and the last
because
if i say shabbas of course women
although some women don't normally say
they wait for husbands to come from shul
but here you you have to say about
the kaidish to start preparing for
yantef
and then you'll bet you know your bench
lift at some point and of course yakna
has kiddish
um which is the order that we say
shabbos and the one difference in the
haggadah according to most opinions is
the normal order and the broke up we
make
as we pick up the second case at the end
of maggie we normally say
um
that we ate first and then we ate the
crop
full but when it's massachusetts those
who learned
um know that that there you ate the
compassion without
and that's the reason why you have that
order change
we should have said that right there
right that's the question right we
should have said that
that we make that you know should come
to the next year we're actually eating
some say you know why do that next year
you're not going to have it it's
next year will be the right order
actually next year what's the shop
second night is that shady will be i
must say shabbos but again
this according to the calendar so for
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2048 2052 2072
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we sing all the time weddings and which
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part of the once in tishrei
once in nissan because
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