A Taste of Lomdut Part 2: Mitzva Habah B'aveira - The Chiddush of Rav Aharon Kotler

this tour class is brought to you by torahanytime.com so we can continue and hopefully finish up briefly the sugar what is called Mitzvah so briefly is discussing an interesting sugya where the gemara is darshaning the passage what do we learn from the pasta says to teach that a stolen sukkah is no good okay says why do I need a pasok to teach me a stolen sukh is no good why don't we say very simply that a stolen Sook is no good for the same reason a stolen Lu love is no good and that is Mitzvah Haba test says that we learn out that a asteroid is possible even after the first day if it's stolen because stolen is compared to crippled and sick just like crippled and sick cannot be brought as a carbon so to something stolen cannot be brought as a carbon and if it can't be brought as a carbon the gamara says it can't be used for a Lou love well if it can't be used as a lulav presumably it can't be used for a sukkah either okay and therefore the question is why do I need a puss look that a Suka gazula is no good of course it's no good because Mitzvah now toisis himself answered only of Soul the rabbanan comes along of says that the stolen Suka Isa now we pointed out says also absolute we also pointed out that Toys R Us also seems to say that so that's why the answer of toasters is not definitive because their Arisha must say that is then we spoke out the answer the ritzvah gives from a different Isis and what was the ritwa's answer only applies by specific Mitzvahs for instance the carbon oil because the carbon oil is coming to be murat's coming to appease Hashem you're trying to elicit a certain uh agreement and desire that we're trying to elicit from Hashem and therefore if if you're trying to do so with an item which is stolen you're not going to accomplish that task and therefore only a carbon oil which is stolen is no good and therefore only a Lula which the purpose of the dollar meaning is to try to appease Hashem to Make It Rain however when it comes to sukkah which is just a dry Mitzvah you're not trying to appease Hashem you're just trying to fulfill them it's not a stolen sukkah Woodwork and that's why I need the possum of hagas the ritzvah rejected that why did the ritual reject that because the Ritzville quoted yushami and the usami imsaham says that matzah gazula is you can make a brachane and the gumar there and the usami in Paris says we learn out from is not good why not but you're not eating matzah to be marata Hashem from here we see mits applied by um and also by the Mitzvah of sukkah as well so that was the Kasha on the ritzvah right that was the Kasha on the ritva let's go back to Texas okay let's go back to tices we spoke at the end of the military let's just say very briefly what the answer is answer was that for the first day of circus would say that you're not Makai in the mitzvah and therefore if you're not my kind of the Mitzvah you're a navarion because you have to eat in the sukkah the first night of sukkas but after the first night of circus no Jew has to eat in the sukkah it's just that if you're going to eat you better not do it outside of the circle but if technically I could not eat and I'm a good guy I'm maybe I'm not Makai in the Mitzvah but I'm not an ivarian I'm not violating anything so had it just been for mitsahababavera then after the first night of circus okay would say I'm not getting the positive fulfillment of the Mitzvah of sukkah however Young because I I'm eating in Asuka I am not going to get credit for it in shamayam I don't have to get credit for the midst Lynch of mine no I can't no I can't but had it just been for mitsahababira so then you're right I would not be allowed to make a bracha but I would not be a navarion I would not be a flagrant violator of the Torah comes it says that after the first night of circus if I'm not sitting in a circle as possible it's not only the man does not get the Fulfillment of the midst it's not only the person is not fulfilling the Mitzvah it's that the sukkah is inherently disqualified and therefore after the first night of circus I'm eating out of the sukkah I'm a flagrant violator fine before we get to the question let me speak out briefly two other Naf gaminas or two other answers to Texas's question why I would need the possible would not be sufficient well imagine the following scenario I stole the stock and then um comes the first night of circus and I go over to the owner and I say rabid I stole yours and he says can I now sit in the sukkah yes but there's a soul by sukha of tasa what's up soul is if I have a tree over my sukkah is no good now let's say I cut the tree down silk is still not good I have to lift up this rock and put it down because cannot become good after the fact it has to be put there initially in a kosher status it can't just be kosher after the fact so therefore if you chop down the tree the silk is not kosher same thing is let's say I stole the slack and then I go to the guy and the guy says don't worry just you know chalk it up as your birthday present foreign the suko was good the whole time it's just I can't be I'd say with it so I don't have to move it because it's not that it's not a disqualification in the it's a disqualification in my ability to fulfill the Mitzvah so once he's my homie now I can fulfill the Mitzvah and I don't have to move this comes the possible and it says it's inherently invalidated if it's inherently invalidated then I need to lift it up and put it back down so that would be another answer to Tyson's question this is the answer quoted in the zikrin schmuel foreign you know in times of before of shakh even actually I once spoken Passaic and there was a hush of a guy sitting there his name is and he came over to me he said oh I'm very nice sure and I asked him who are you he's the rashiva in ashdot and then he tells me there's a nice tradition and then we were talking and he wrote he wrote the safer the condition remember I have it here inscribed to me but anyways this is real Yeshiva Shalom he brings down from a Bach bear s that this is how he answered saskatchew that the reason why I need is the guy is inherently possible there would be Absol of by the way on the same note foreign let's say I stole wool where I stole strings and I put them in cities and then the guy the owner is Michael applies to Citizens as well right for instance let's say I cut a baguette you know let's say I have a four cornered garment and you know they're holes in the corners to put the tits in so I slid a diagonal slit in the baguette I slip in the Citrus and then I sew up the corner is that kosher no because I didn't put it there I didn't put it in a kosher Megan it was a puzzle bag and then after the fact I made a kosher so the beer look has a Suffolk if you steal strings and then the guy's Michael whether it's good or not but assuming it's not good that would be a reason why because by the way my sister also says so fine then there's an answer behind brisker and this answer we spoke out last we could just say it very quickly and that is I might have said foreign and uh rib shimminskup asked the following question and that is the gemara learns out that a stolen esri is no good then the Posse in Malachi there it says you're going to bring a stolen carbon via a crippled carbon carbon sagamar darshan's stolen guzzle stolen similar to just like a animal there's no takana there's no way to bring animal as a carbon there's no way to bring a stolen animal as a carbon so ask rashiva of gradna that one second if we're comparing stolen to sick sick is not a man's inability to fulfill a carbon with a sick animal the animal is inherently disqualified a crippled animal is inherently disqualified for comparing stolen to sick and that means stolen is inherently disqualified is invalid therefore say that had it not been for the possible you would not be an ovarian on the second day of sukis and in other words and how could say that it's not a problem of like because Asuka is kosher it's just you can't fulfill them it's a no it's not a valid Circle it's an invalid sukkah if the source of stolen is it's similar to sick and sick and is not the man can't be O2 with it sick and is it's inherently not not a valid item so then it's inherently not not a valid sukkah and then if you would sit in it after the first day of circus you would be sitting outside of Ahsoka meaning the whole premise is that this had it not been for the Apostle the sukkah is good you just can't get the Mitzvah with it but you see you have to go back to the source The Source it's similar to sick and quipple sick and is an inherent uh flaw so to stolen is an inherent Club I don't understand that if you have a sick of crippled animal yeah the fact itself there's something wrong with it is right but with an astro if it wasn't the fact that it was stolen the escrow looks like a question it has all the miles oh right you're right and that's why that's exactly why the milk said is just the man's inability to fulfill a missile with a perfectly valid item However the fact that the gemara darshan's Apostle guzzles has the same status as and sick that Russia tells you that this something stolen is inherently problematic meaning the fact that we make such a drasha of Gozo domia that's Russia is saying in the uh Hashem in the eyes of Torah this is inherently flawed something stolen is inherently flawed by the way animal Maybe fixed right by the way I'm sorry if it was gazal I don't know maybe inherently fixed means as is maybe the animal will go to PT you know and go on the treadmill put on a cast and we'll get them back into shape by the way a similar idea that we're saying now that's stolen is inherently flawed we spoke out last week in homasher do you remember we spoke about the idea that they're about to ask a question on the animals of avraham they're about asks why would avraham have to muzzle his animals but the animals of pilgras Benoit were not eatvos why would the animals of avraham eat Steel one of the animals of avraham Steel why were the animals of avraham Steel had a question on that some Cipher asked what are you talking about there's a cloud that Hashem only protects Sadiq and their animals from something inherently flawed like tarphus like sandwiches but Hashem wouldn't protect its sadik from eating before havdala or eating on Yom Kippur because they are the food is kosher it's just the wrong time so then why would Hashem who says Hashem would protect avram's animals from eating kosher food that might be stolen said no maybe there's a difference eating before half dollar it's kosher food just at the wrong time eating on Yom kippur's kosher food at the wrong time stolen the food itself is like toxic the same thing we're saying over here if it's stolen the animal itself the the item itself is uh is is flawed okay so basically here's the Breakthrough we have two questions on the table right now and they are question number one is questionna how could he say that had it not been for the possible it would be a kosher sukkah what do you mean like crippled and and sick so it's inherently flawed question number two is a question the written to answer said that doesn't apply to sukkah it only applies to mitsos that come loratza I said only applies to mitsos that are trying to appease Hashem and the question of the ritzvah is says it applies to matzah and matzah is not balorazzis so I'm going to tell you the uh Genius of iron Cutler and that is there are two types of this there's ones because we could ask another question why do I need two sources for mitsahababavera one source is that the same way crippled and sick is no good stolen is no good and then you have the xiaomi source that you have to do midsos correctly and if it's stolen it's no good why do I need why do I need two separate Russia's Bible you xiaomi says of iron color because there are two types of era there's a mitzvaha that we learn out from crippled and SEC and there's a Mitzvah Baba that applies by omit's voice so why do I need to that's because that's an inherent flaw with the Mitzvah just like a and a sick and that we learn out from having some gazelle and they are that type of era is an inherent flaw in the Mitzvah not only do you not get credit the item is no good there wouldn't apply to the yesterday yes it does it does it's stolen the Joshua says that sandwich is stolen is inherently flawed that's the Joshua no that's that's no that's all to say there's a second type of era that we learned out from ilaham that if you don't do a missile right it's no good but okay but that type of era only means that you're not mikaim the Mitzvah but the item is still good ah so we could say like this say like this says around Cutler um now why do we say oh the answer is it only applies so the Ritz if I asked what do you mean but it applies by Masa oh wait a second Avada there is a mitsuh that applies by matzah and applies by sukkah but the Mitzvah babera that tysus was asking was the misunderst that is an inherent flaw in the item that's an inherent flaw in the item it's only a problem if the mitzvah's balorazois we only say that the item is an invalid item if the Mitzvah is coming to elicit a certain response from Hashem because we have two types of era we have one type learned that from the establish and one type from Elohim says of Aaron Cutler the type of mitsahababavera that's learned out from foreign and therefore it applies by carbonyla it applies by Donald minim it's not going to apply by soccer Soca is not but it's not going to apply by matzah and that's why the the tysis is correct in saying that when tysus asked why don't we say mitzabab it doesn't apply by sukkah so because not Butler outside I the rich for we see it applies by matzah no only the second type of mitzabab air applies by sukkah and by Mata and that is that the item is good it's just the person doesn't get a fulfillment of it I so you'll ask but still at the end of the day it's so why do I need a pass look so what if only the second type of air applies the type that says I don't get the Mitzvah but why isn't that not enough why do I need a puzzle why can't I apply Mitzvah hababavera that says if it would just be for a Mitzvah which is which says you don't get the Mitzvah then after the first day of pesach I want to be of circus I want to be a navarion and I need the Posse the item itself is possible says the item itself is possible no that's only in this balarazzi that says the item itself is possible now has an inherent floor right if someone else came to use that Astro would not be good didn't know it was stolen feel good it was stolen so if we say that it's it that there's inherent floor in the Ester by itself nobody can get it correct but if we don't say it's an inherent flock then maybe the second person or the third person right right that's a that's another nap Camino yes good yes but so what's our breakthrough what's the point that we're saying we have two questions but the two questions really end answer each other one question was wanted to say that the reason I need a pasta is to teach me that after the first day of circus the guy's not very young because and the plastic is so if someone's got asked but what do you mean we learned from the pasta recipe so the answer to that question is you're right we do learn that is never would apply by sukkah in the first place because not balorazois the only disqualifications that we learn out from about only applies by mitso serbalaratus true there is a second type of mitsahabab era that applies by all Mitzvahs like we learn out from matzah but that we have them that would not disqualify the item itself and therefore I need Apostle okay so that's uh hopefully a wrap up of this and I already know uh I got emails from Lakewood already they wanted to know some of them so they know here in Queens we have real we have real lambdas okay 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